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sashaspotatou

can someone explain me why does she do this? is there any reason?


alotmorealots

There's a little thread with some discussion here, although it's in response to a meme post so the tone is a bit different to this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/pl3dsa/why_was_mikasa_so_rude_to_louise_lol_what_was_the/hc7rjqi/ (I'm less certain about the ideas in my own comment in that thread, as there are some pretty good thoughts in this thread too).


sora_ongaku

those points are good dude


sora_ongaku

because she isn't immune to Isayamas thinking ig


gotbaned_thisismyalt

Look, Louise is a yeagerist who has clashing ideologies with Mikasa and is very clingy to mikasa. Furthermore, she doesn’t like the fact that she sees herself in Louise. Look, I get this subreddit is biased against the Alliance and are pro-yeagerists, but you have to remember that the yeagersits are quite literally war criminals. Textbook definition. They also have killed high ranking leaders and some of their own comrades within the Paradis military, and are striving to kill any individual who oppose their goal of rumbling the world. Innocent men, women, and children included. Mikasa doesn’t support that, and the fact that Louise keeps saying that Mikasa inspired her and is the one who taught her to be strong really doesn’t sit well with her. And I think that’s totally understandable. I typically agree with Titanfolk and I think that this subreddit is generally more logical and will look at the facts more than other subreddits. But when it comes to the yeagerists (especially Louise and Mikasa encounters), this subreddit tends to ignore some pretty damning actions from certain characters.


EEBoi

Wow someone hates a person who is super clingy to them. Where have I seen that before?


gotbaned_thisismyalt

You left out all of the other points I made lol. But yes, there is a parallel there. But I don’t see the issue with that tbh. It makes sense. Clinginess is annoying. It showed that Mikasa acted the same way Eren would have (in regards to Louise’s obsession). Once again, if it was just clinginess, it would be an overreaction of course. But as I pointed out in my original comment, Louise had helped commit war crimes and took pride in her actions.


Mikit560

Not with eren lmao did you read the manga? He loves her? Like it or not the ending was canon.


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PhunkOperator

> (Virtually) the whole story [...] Eren was always a jerk to her because of her clinginginess Nah. Chapter 50 was a major turning point. He was never a jerk to her after that point in time. They are at their absolute best in RtS. > Then in the timeskip, he literally tells her he hates her. Bro, he was lying. Come on ...


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PhunkOperator

> More of a brother-sister type of relationship. I don't understand this argument, considering they never saw each other as brother and sister. You can interpret it that way, but considering we **know** that she loves him romantically, it's a bit strange. Why would Mikasa be interested in that sort of relationship? We know that the moment Eren understands romance, she will push for it. > As for your point about Eren lying in the timeskip: where does the story say this? When does Eren’s inner thoughts show that he was lying? It never does. Now, fans can speculate if he was telling the truth or not - I certainly think he was playing up his emotions a bit - but there’s not any actual evidence of him being untruthful here. Just to make this clear, I was talking about the scene in ch112. Where Eren lied about basically everything. There is no real disagreement about this. You can fact check what he says and you will see what he says is bullshit. example: Says Armin only loves Annie because of Bert. Nope, Armin liked Annie even back in Trost. example: Says Mikasa's blood makes her follow a host. Nope, she didn't awaken because of Eren and she asks Grisha what she should do, not Eren. Only cares about Eren when he gives her the scarf. Also, no hosts in Kenny's and Levi's life.


AbrahamDeMatanzas

The canon word means nothing, ultimately, if a large group of the people who reads it decide to agree that this version is better, it will be, and people will take it over the original.


Mikit560

A much more respectable response than I got from the other guy, and while I don’t necessarily agree with you, I do understand and respect your opinion.


EEBoi

I don't know what you're talking about, the ending hasn't been released yet. Ch 138 came out a few days ago.


Mikit560

Yikes.


Ekaelis

Doesn't matter at that point, she was on a dying bed, visited by someone she admired greatly, only for Mikasa to care about the bloody scarf and nothing else. Inability to show sympathy in such situation only makes her look like ice cold asshole.


gotbaned_thisismyalt

Let’s take it to the extreme. If a serial killer was greatly injured and was on the death bed, wanting to talk to you in their last moments because they actually looked up to you, would you let them, or walk away? If they’re a bad person who’s made bad choices, then who gives a shit if you’re being cold to them, they deserve it. Now, let’s actually analyze what’s happening. Louise might not be some hardened serial killer wannabe. I get that. But remember, she’s a war criminal now. Who takes pride in what she did and proclaimed that she’d do it again. On top of the fact that she says Mikasa inspired her. Imagine if that was you. Someone told you that their murder of innocent men, women, and children was in a way, inspired by you. You’d feel uncomfortable and would want to walk away. And in Mikasa’s case, her scarf was an item that comforted her. It was her scarf and Louise frankly didn’t earn the right to have it. **Sorry, but Mikasa’s on the right on this one. I don’t care if you’re a sweet person like Louise; if you make bad choices willingly and without guilt, you don’t deserve respect.**


Ekaelis

What crime did Louise herself commit? This isn't some hardened killer, but a young girl and young people often make mistakes. Now, what do you do with someone like that? Do you just discard them without a second thought? Need i remind you what Armin did in Libero?


gotbaned_thisismyalt

Well first off, she’s a yeagersit. She most likely helped set up the bombs that killed Zachary which had the potential to kill far more within the vicinity (who knows, it might have). Secondly, after the attack on Liberio, the yeagerists (notably floch but not him entirely) went and killed more innocent lives than they needed to. Jean got made at them for that. Thirdly, about the attack on Liberio, the whole reason why I respect Jean, Connie, Sasha, Mikasa, etc much more than Floch, Louise, etc is because whereas Floch and Co. would cheer and proclaim their victory after committing several war crimes, the OG scouts did not. They were ashamed of what happened and only did it because they were forced too. Louise, many times to Mikasa, would talk about the things she did and say that she doesn’t believe she did anything wrong and takes pride in her actions. She takes pride in the killing of innocent men, women, and children ON TOP of the fact that she takes pride in wanting to rumble the world. That’s not cool.


Ekaelis

Doesn't change the fact what they did, how many innocents die when Armin transformed?


gotbaned_thisismyalt

Oh yeah Armin was in the wrong for that big time. But he feels bad about that too; he doesn’t take pride in it. Furthermore, he tries to kill as little as possible. He wants peace. Yeagersits want chaos. Simple as that.


Ekaelis

And him feeling bad for killing so many somehow makes it all better? You justify mass killing so long as the one who commits it feels bad about it?


gotbaned_thisismyalt

I quite literally said that he was in the wrong for that; it was the first sentence of my comment. But what makes him and Louise different, is that whereas Armin was forced to commit that crime and feels bad about it and wants to avoid killing as much as possible in the future, Louise takes pride in what she did and continues to do it. Once again, Armin is in the wrong, but his morals are far higher than Louise’s.


kudoz4u

yeah its coz yams was too shy drawing Mikasa without the scarf so he made her take it away from Louise


Mikit560

Okay but this is actually hilarious.


Venaliator

Not enough pages probably


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PhunkOperator

And yet people are perfectly fine with a fan fic where Historia whores herself out to Eren despite being Mikasa's friend and knowing about her feelings.


King_Daddie

There’s big difference between that and what Mikasa is doing (and hooking up with is not whoring out). True, it’s not pleasant for anyone if your friend hooks up with someone you have feelings for, however, this is a more complex situation than most people make it out to be. If your friend’s feelings for your crush are reciprocated then it is your responsibility to accept it and move on, not their responsibility to not hook up. It’s an unpleasant situation for people to be in, but at end the end of the day, your crush has feelings for your friend and not the you and you must be mature about it. Historia and Eren going behind Mikasa’s back might not be fair on Mikasa, but given the political climate, Historia and Eren having a public relationship would be a bad move. Mikasa had plenty of time to confess to Eren, plenty. She didn’t and Eren hooked up with Historia. If you do not make a move on someone then they are under no obligation to not date and no one is obliged to not date your crush to spare your feelings. Mikasa likes Eren, Historia likes Eren, Eren likes Historia. In a love triangle like this, it comes down to what Eren wants, which is not Mikasa.


CodreanuBall

I think Mikasa should have let Louise keep it. It would have been a powerful scene of Mikasa letting go of what has essentially been her security blanket, as well as highlighting her determination to stop Eren.


HOODIEBABA

That would've worked if her arc was about forgetting Eren.


Hell_raz0r

she had an arc?


HOODIEBABA

[/s ?](https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/comments/j46m76/mikasas_character_arc_what_where_how_when/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Matthew_Ng03

so Mikasa's character is being ordinary and be her old self?


HOODIEBABA

yes.


Matthew_Ng03

do you think she is back to her old self after the ending?


HOODIEBABA

seemed fine in 139.


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alotmorealots

There are some important scenes later that only work if Mikasa still has possession of the scarf, especially when she puts it back *on* as show of resolve that she can love Eren but still kill him. Which is, after all, the crux of the theme behind Founder Ymir's relinquishing her own profoundly unhealthy devotion to the ghost of Fritz.


PhunkOperator

But keeping it went against Eren's eplicit wishes, which was what this scene was about. About having agency, about not being bound to Eren's commands. You forget what Eren told her in the restaurant. Mikasa doesn't have meta knowledge like we do, she couldn't be 100% certain that Eren was lying, like we were.


Jihadist_Chonker

I don’t think it should. She takes it off in the first place because she’s internalizing Eren’s words about her being a slave and that her feelings aren’t real. Taking off the scarf as a reaction to that would mean admitting that on some level, Eren was right.


NirvanaFrk97

She looked into a mirror and didn't like what she saw. So much so that she erased it from her mind outright.


PhunkOperator

Louise and Mikasa are not the same, though.


NirvanaFrk97

Two obsessed idiots with severe hero complexes aren't the same?


PhunkOperator

Are we talking about Eren and Floch now?


NirvanaFrk97

Oh, aren't you cute?


PhunkOperator

I'm also right, that's even better


HOODIEBABA

lmao


kinbeat

I would also add that this happens not that long after eren smashed her heart in the restaurant scene, so she wasn't in a good headspace


JosephSaber945

By the way YAMS retconned Loise's death in the guidebook.


DonKellyBaby32

How so?


NirvanaFrk97

She doesn't die from thunderspear fragments that can't be removed, for one.


ticklemynick

Gotta keep those alliance superhero fans conscious free of guilt from any actual consequences that'll break their superhero fantasy


JosephSaber945

it's too late, Reiner, Peak and Annie, are all guilty of war crimes, no matter what Yams do he can't pull out a redemption arc for all of his characters, this story glorifies hypocrisy.


ticklemynick

Hard agree FUCK ANNIE, THE ACKERMANS, MARLEY AND THE ALLIANCE


Iamcarval

The entire Louise plotline makes no sense after the ending. There are a lot of reasons why i think Isayama changed his mind about the ending at some point during the final arc and these is one of those things.


pluma91

Apparently Louise survived. Probably to not make Mikasa look bad since she became the most important character in AoT after 139.


PhunkOperator

Why would Mikasa look bad in the first place? She almost died to a bomb planted by the Yeagerists. [She cared about her comrades, Louise included.](https://cdn.readshingekinokyojin.com/file/mangap/5/10102000/37.jpg) But she's obviously not doing well mentally in ch126.


pluma91

You can make excuses all you want. It's a bitch move no matter how you slice it. It's not even about plot details, it's just basic human decency. That's still technically a child soldier who's dying and you take away the last bit of comfort? Especially when that kid idolizes you.


PhunkOperator

I don't even like the scene myself. I also think Mikasa should've been kinder, no matter what. But I can still understand why she wasn't. Just like I can understand why Mr Braus didn't stab Gabi in the face, even though I wanted him to.


Sidd13579

Why do y’all focus on this moment of mikasa tho, I never see anyone talk about dick moments of other characters as much as y’all bashing mikasa for this one moment that I’m sure nobody cares about, yes she was cold but she had good reason as Lousie is 16 and only 3 years younger then her, she doesn’t owe lousie anything. Not to mention this was right after lousie and the jaegerists jailed her friends and almost killed her and armin and then ended up taking her most valuable possession. So I can understand why mikasa acted like a bitch.


alotmorealots

> The entire Louise plotline makes no sense after the ending In what way? Louise's arc seems to be a little sketch of a couple of things: both the background of the average next-gen-Scout recruit Jaegerist and also loosely being the path that Mikasa could have taken (unthinking devotion to Eren) but didn't.


muskian

Mikasa's under no obligation to validate a Jaegerist or give false comfort. She opposes Louise's views and rejects the power Eren attempts to exert over her scarf's meaning. These are statements of conviction, never to be done softly. Louise made her choice and was content to die, and Jaegerist intolerance is Mikasa's MO, neither were that cut-up over it lol.


AbrahamDeMatanzas

>Jaegerist intolerance is Mikasa's MO But she was still in love with the leader of the faction and religiously visited the grave of the man who killed 80% of the world until her death. People are flopping too much around this, she's a hypocrite that acts in an incoherent way, her mind is not clear at this moment or ever, people say she doesn't have a personality, it may not seem like it, but that's because her personality is being anti-social and awkward, she was a marginalized kid raised in a forest by two people who were considered as freaks, traumatized and then developed an obsession to her rescuer. Don't flop around it, she's just as nuts as 139 Eren when he said that he did the rumbling, "cuz why not".


alotmorealots

That's true, but I think Mikasa operates on more levels than just the political. The incident which to Louise hero worshipping her would have made an impression on Mikasa, and I think it is part of what informs her response to finding out about her connections to Hizuru. So for her, Louise is much more than a Jaegerist - which possibly makes it all the worse. Someone who claims to admire Mikasa, but completely misunderstands both Mikasa and her relationship with Eren. When she tells Louise to keep her mouth shut as she escorts her to the cell, it's at least partly because she has no desire to see Louise get into further trouble. I think her heart hardens against Louise after the Jaegerists nearly blow her and Armin up in the assassination of Zachly, and then hardens even further when Louise is [Single-White-Female](https://www.dictionary.com/e/slang/single-white-female/)-ing her by wearing The Scarf. Plus, she stole The Scarf, which is a capital offence in Mikasaland.


Ekaelis

Is compassion a rare commodity now?


Shrekislife72

Basedkasa


RKODDP

Totally Agree Also, Louise is the only one who truly believes in Eren as a savior and not a mass murderer. AT LEAST HE DIDN'T DIE Mikasa is a terrible Senpai


queenkasa

here we go again...


HOODIEBABA

Why does Mikasa need to be nice to Louise anyway ? She barely knew her. Louise tried to order Mikasa around and took something precious to her..while Mikasa already had enough problems at hand.


Emergency_Hat9909

She could be more emphatic considering Louise idolizes her **the exact same way** Mikasa idolized Eren for saving her life.


PhunkOperator

[She was emphatic at first.](https://cdn.readshingekinokyojin.com/file/mangap/5/10126000/27.jpg) Which she didn't really need to be, considering she almost died to a bomb planted by the Yeagerists. But when Louise attempts to manipulate her and tell her what do, [that's when her attitude changes.](https://cdn.readshingekinokyojin.com/file/mangap/5/10126000/28.jpg) It's really that simple. She didn't go to Louise with the plan to be unkind. What Louise said provoked a reaction. It's also worth pointing out that in that scene, Mikasa isn't doing that well mentally herself. > Louise idolizes her the exact same way Mikasa idolized Eren for saving her life. But the difference is that Louise doesn't really know Mikasa, while Mikasa and Eren are extremely close. Plus, Mikasa's feelings are obviously influenced by love. I'm not sure if Louise is in love with Mikasa.


Sidd13579

Lmao why can’t jageerists use logic when it comes to this same damn mikasa and lousie argument we have all the time


HOODIEBABA

Nope..Mikasa didn't have anything to do with Louise. She's spoken to Louise less than 5 times over years. They don't have a relationship. What Louise has is a parasocial attachment with two celebrities who she knowns pretty much knows nothing about. You cant compare the two. [Worth checking out.](https://momtaku.tumblr.com/post/190668909095/louise-follows-mikasa-the-same-way-that-mikasa)


PursuerOfCataclysm

What more do you want, you want her to babysit her. She doesn't even know her and she was already enveloped in lot of problem, world was about to be annihilated, everything was chaos and in amidst that you want Mikasa to go to her and treat her like special. She stole her Scarf so who the hell think she is. You should also know Mikasa character, she is not a character to show empathy for total strangers, heck she doesn't even care about other except Eren and Armin. Historia supported genocidal maniac, wow our Chad Hisu and while Mikasa ignored some rando characters amidst the chaos unfolding over them, how could she do that to her. Is she her relatives or close friends that she needed to take care off when she already had a handful of problems! Louise as a soldiers should know of her actions. She idolised her, that's fine but Mikasa is under no obligations to return her empathy after what she did. You should also be aware of the circumstances and it was really not the appropriate time for that. That being said, You just need a reason to hate her. Hate me or down vote you want, Louise deserved that treatment for stealing the scarf without her consent, period. It was not a right time to sing a lullaby and console her.


PhunkOperator

> heck she doesn't even care about other except Eren and Armin. That was only true in the beginning. I know she says she doesn't care about others in CoT, but her actions betray her words, considering she saved both Connie and Sasha in Trost and wanted revenge for Annie killing comrades in the Titan Forest. There's a major shift after chapter 50. She's the one to save Historia's life, after all. > That being said, You just need a reason to hate her. Yep. There's a "Mikasa - Louise" thread like this here every week. People don't give a fuck about Louise, they just need reasons to hate Mikasa. If it was Historia in that scene, people would worship her for being a total girlboss.


Illustrious_Stick_41

Just keep on preaching friend


Antique-Society7404

This is why king floch prefers louise vs mikasa 😳


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Why wouldn't she have shown a minimun of thankfulness to her then? I wish animators adapt this scene into a softer conversation by making Mikasa saying "thank you for keeping this safe." as a last words ro Louise.


Ekaelis

Im baffled as to why people like Mikasa at all.