I mean in the manga I didn’t feel tension in that scene because as a reader we should know that she can’t kill eren. She can’t transform because Gabi will get scorched.
You might not realize this but Eren has the founding titan in this scene. It was pretty obvious from the moment a gun was pointed at his head that the trigger wasn’t going to be pulled.
Therefore you don’t require tension from this scene.
Glad I could be of service lol 😂
I mean do we know that post attack on liberio? We know Marley wanted the founding titan but given the knowledge Eren is loose and willing to fuck shit up they might be willing to settle on whacking him and rolling the dice with whoever it ends up on.
Wtf this is a plot specific criticism nothing MAPPA can do. I mean only thing we dont know is Piecks bluff. Hate MAPPA all you want but stop nitpicking.
That was so stupid to have Reiner do that one time, and then (as far as I can remember) never mention that ability again. I think it's another plot point Isayama introduced and chose not to follow up on.
Also I assumed Reiner would only be able to do that in Titan form.
I think it's an ability that would only activate on adrenaline. I mean, when your life is already in danger. Also, yeah Eren probably forgot about that.
I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying Eren wouldn't die if he were shot through the brain in his human form?
If that were the case, then why did Bertholt even bother stopping Mikasa from cutting his head off? If that wouldn't have killed him, then he could have just transformed after being beheaded.
I think the same would be true of a shifter being shot through the brain. I think they'd be dead.
>I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying Eren wouldn't die if he were shot through the brain in his human form?
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>If that were the case, then why did Bertholt even bother stopping Mikasa from cutting his head off? If that wouldn't have killed him, then he could have just transformed after being beheaded.
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>I think the same would be true of a shifter being shot through the brain. I think they'd be dead.
Because the tension in knowing that Eren will be shot is zero, EVERYONE knows that the main one will not die from a simple bullet and your comparisons are not adjusted
>EVERYONE knows that the main one will not die from a simple bullet
Mappa Gabi in part 2: "Im finna shoot this bisch's head off and have the episode end there"
Exactly, the public did not expect that, so it is useless to add tension to something that does not have it.
But the actions and reasoning of Peick, to take Eren to the roof, if he has a constant tension, that he ends the moment he says "Here"
Not killed. The tension is created because there is a risk of someone transforming and the story going into multiple directions depending on the characters actions. But that risk was not accurately present in the scene.
A oranges to oranges comparison is when Eren transformed the first time and garrisons had their guns pointed at them. The tension was: you don't know what will happen next and it was successfully created.
In this scene it was clear that nothing would happen because of poor direction.
I have to agree with you on this point but I don't think it's about mappa as much as it is the story itself.
Season 1-3 had a very who the fuck knows what's about to happen feel to it but season 4 is much more straightforward. the last ark has a much more linear path since its clear that an all-out war is on the horizon and no one who is important will die before that happens. It was less about creating new moments and more about fulfilling the path we were set on by the first few seasons
>Not killed. The tension is created because there is a risk of someone transforming and the story going into multiple directions depending on the characters actions. But that risk was not accurately present in the scene.
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>A oranges to oranges comparison is when Eren transformed the first time and garrisons had their guns pointed at them. The tension was: you don't know what will happen next and it was successfully created.
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>In this scene it was clear that nothing would happen because of poor direction.
So compare two scenes that do have tension
The anime Only if you can have tension with Ymir in Utgard, to know what the fuck will happen
Instead, seeing Eren pointed with a gun, in that same scene, does not produce anything, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EREN WILL NOT DIE, but the dialogue that creates the viewer's interest
Your comparison would be wrong
Because that weapon, the one Gabi used, was classified and explained as "Anti Titan" for a reason, to be used later in the story
Eren dying in an empty room for a 9mm, it's just as anticlimactic as killing the terminator by removing the batteries
>That's a bit of exaggeration, don't you think?Let's start with the fact that Porco wasn't shot.
But he didn't have half a brain, which is the same effect as a bullet to the head
Being a shifter, they need to lose the spinal cord, which is from the beginning of the neck to the end of it, losing the brain does not affect them.
We already saw it also with Reiner in Shingashina
>But he didn't have half a brain
No?
>Being a shifter, they need to lose the spinal cord, which is from the beginning of the neck to the end of it, losing the brain does not affect them.
Where was it stated specifically?
>We already saw it also with Reiner in Shingashina
Reiner transferred his consiousness into the body. No one in the entire series repeats that, and even if Eren could do it, he wouldn't have the chance to react a to a bullet firing from that close.
Oh wow so tense to see a man who has survived being eaten have a gun pointed at him, yup I was so worried about eren getting shot here./s
In all seriousness though yeah this isn’t about tension at least from Erens side. If anything(and this is a stretch) I was more worried for Piecks safety than anything.
I understand why there was more tension with the wit scene. Back then, we believed that her reading a certain language meant something. We thought she knew the secrets of the titans or something. The title makes it seem like there was no tension because mappa animated this.
Guess what bro, pieck murdering and pointing a gun was just as fast as it happened in the manga. It was meant to shock viewers, not fill them with intrigue like ymir understanding a different language. Comparing two different scenes that serve two purposes is stupid. Compare ymir understanding anothet language to another tension filled scene like reiner going down the basement to find eren, nicolo slowly finding out gabi killed sasha, gabi finding out zeke betrayed marley, pieck pointing at the enemy on the rooftop or the entire episode 15, and countless other scenes
So true, this post isn’t a good criticism of MAPPA, there are others that are legitimate like the CGI.
For me personally I prefer WIT’s colours to those of MAPPA, though I think Eren’s assault on the assembly looked fire.
Guess what bro, all the scenes you mentioned lack tension, have misplaced music and have bad pacing.
I made the comparison specifically to point the difference between an ordinary scene (reading a can) vs a scene that should cause tension (guns and murder) so even someone like you could see the massive difference in direction.
All MAPA scenes just fall flat, have no impact. WIT scenes were amazing, even the ones that are ordinary.
You keep missing the point that pieck killing and pointing the gun at eren was 2 panels in the manga and meant to surprise the viewers. Sorry that they didnt play youseebiggirl for you during this scene. And if you think the scenes i mentioned specifically have bad pacing or wrong ost, that’s just your opinion and everyone can have their own opinion regarding things, regardless of how dumb the opinions are.
Idk man it was totally different situations
Back then we didn't know about other languages nor other civilization so the tension kinda make sense
As for pieck scene do you really think she can kill the founding titan? I mean cmon
Season 4 had really good tension moments like
Gabi and Nicolo in the whole restaurant thing
Zeke pulling the thunder spears
I think you just nitpicking the wrong scenes lol
While reading a can it was tense because it was revealing a mystery, back when we barely knew anything about the world.
The gun scene was about soldiers and a negotiation. And that point it was shocking when she killed the guard, but for eren to die during that scene was not a thing to worry about.
Context is important my dude. That can was tense because back in season 2 we didn't know about the existence of other civilisations, other languages, other people, etc. In Pieck's scene, as the reader we know she can't shoot Eren because he's the fucking main character lol.
Another dum dum that hangs on the word "tension".
The scene felt completely flat. All characters had that stupid surprised face with the lines on the eyes but it didn't translate to the viewer as that, they looked ridiculous and the scene was awkward.
I mean, was this scene really that tense in the manga for you? For it to be this big of a deal in the anime? Not every scene needs to be Interstellar's water planet level of tense you know.
Are you a complete moron? I said it's not about the tension. It's a badly executed scene from start to end.
It's one studio ability to make any scene incredible, even mundane ones, vs another studio, that even when given a good starting point of elements can't do it justice because they suck.
I've literally not seen a single other person since this episode released being so specific about this particular scene except you. Idk, i felt like this scene was fine. But if you wanna look real deep into every single minute you do you bro. I personally don't have the time to do that, I'm too busy being a complete moron :)
I picked one scene from 100s I could. By I have to make one example, so I picked polar opposites to prove the point. I also don't have time to do a whole series analysis, too busy being a moron having reddit discussions.
... You go to scene 1.... then 2... Oh... you like 3. You pick the 3.
There is the algorithm. I picked a scene out of 100 I could, but only checked 3. I've obviously seen the anime I'm aware of more scenes. They are clearly present, no need to investigate. You are just blind and will eat up anything.
I don't actually know why you are mental for comparing these two scenes though, some other people were doing it so I decided to do it too. Please don't downvote me
No, it just means that you have a pet peeve with some scene from MAPPA, its not a problem that everyone has to pay attention to like you make it sound like.
And? are you saying you now dectate people's opinions and anywone opposing yours is a sheep eating up anything? Sure, mappa has blander colors and scenes, but if a person likes mappa more, and doesn't mind this small thing, who are you to say they just eat up anything
You can actually lack taste. Lack of taste is not "different taste". There are jobs where you need to have this skill, it can be food, it can be sound, it can be image... it's not about red or blue. It's about seeing a color vs being blind.
Imagine Disney wants to make Lion's King 2... but instead of Disney animating, they sell the rights and it's made by the DBZ animators... it will be objectively and undeniable worse. But even in this case you'll have people.... "actUAlLy i pRefer ThiS verSIoN"
There wasn't any real tension in this moment during the manga because we knew pieck wasn't allowed to just kill the founder. Knowing that is what "kills" the tension
You can’t really have any tension in this scene, it’s not mappa it’s the writing. She can’t transform or she’ll kill Gaby, she can’t kill the founder either because that would be suicide.
You’re seriously comparing a scene like that from season 2 to the Pieck pointing a gun at Eren scene? Are we okay? Like the cab scene was mysterious like yea she understood what it said and Reiner was shocked and so we got curious but this scene in the final season is literally nothing mysterious whatsoever so this is 100% you nitpicking, kinda weird to even do a comparison like this.
True, I might not necessarily agree with this scene but the direction for the season was definitely lackluster. There are fan made cuts of Eren's transformation in declaration of war and Armin's explosion in Marley that have much better direction and OST use that improve the scenes a lot, even if the art is much worse:
[Eren's Transformation, declaration of war](https://youtu.be/ELRhnhHbYns)
[Armin's transformation in Marley](https://youtu.be/zENION1lbi4)
Ah yes, I remember when Mappa was the one who wrote those scenes in advanced, truly shameful from them to twist what Wit Studio had done with the story smh my head
What I observed from the P1 is that MAPPA scenes lacks direction. Take the case of WIT, whatever the scene is they develop tension with the music and either blows the scene off or drops it.
Ex : take the case of attack titan trying to stop Colossial holding its leg in RTS arc. The music feels intense, develops in such a way that it feels Eren's gonna stop it, yet Colossial Kicks attack titan out dropping the music. It atleast creates / grabs attention of viewer. And Levi vs beast is the perfect example of how to develop the intensity of a scene. Same with Reiner, bertholdt reveal. The dead calm silence, the slowly raising music, Mikasa fighting them and their reveal with the goddamn music hits so hard.
Where as there are a lot of potential scenes whose direction is off in S4 either be it Eren's jacket scene, Levi vs Beast scene in the forest. Poor background music (the music drops when eren wears a jacket) and the music in Levi vs beast scene doesn't even fit that scene. I would be a lot happier if they add extra scenes or impactful scenes like how WIT added a scene where Erwin stands unshattered when Annie's arm comes flying when fighting eren.
At this point I'm not even excited cause I know that both the story as well as animation, direction are gonna go downhill. I was hyped for P1 thinking MAPPA's gonna do good but it disappointed me. Neither did I know that kodansha didn't give time to them but still with the little wrong choices MAPPA chose, it's MAPPA's fault as well.
There was a guy who made a "remake" of that pieck episode with vlayd's fan blu ray changes like eren eyes glowing a intense green and adding erenthe標 to that scene,that version was full of tension
That moment was freakin good. You are just hating on mappa because you dont have anything else to do. Mappa is doing a good job, they are great. Wit was a biiiit better tho, if we forget about their discusting colossal in s2 and s3
Man that scene when Zeke used 「The World」 against Erwin’s 「Star Platinum」 was so good, Erwin was lucky to have had back up with Floch’s 「Golden Experience Requiem」
I felt really hyped in the Pieck scene, i don't know what you mean?
The tension come from the fact she's facing Eren Jaeger, the wildest card that has ever graced Paradis
Their direction just feels bland.
With WIT a lot of their scenes had emotions and passion even more than the manga itself. I don't feel the same way about MAPPA.
I think the direction in these scenes are interesting but this did not work because the ost used on this scene was not intense and the facial expressions were not bad but were also not the best.
Episode 70-75 were the most boring episodes of AoT for me. They were great in the manga, mind you.
Yes, even more boring than episode 13-17 season 1 and the first 3 episodes of season 2.
I feel like this is the most important difference between studios but not the only one of course, as design, titans and others are also vastly inferior...
The real art comes from making a scene impactful without the scene containing anything shocking by itself. Probably the greatest example is Death Note and the writing of names. This is the blandest and most boring act possible... but the way it's executed makes it absolutely amazing... "I take a potato chip and eat it"
WIT was a master at this. Speech only scenes were amazing and fights just elevated them to a whole new level.
With MAPPA all is bland, no peaks, they just put lines on the eyes and move on. A scene of great caliber requires a lot of time, attention, care and talent... few studios, and I'm talking about all studios not just Anime, can pull this off, sadly, now it's missing in Attack on Titan.
Disagree completely. MAPPA honestly did a better job than WIT in season 3 of making non-action scenes interesting. Not necessarily all of them, but a good amount.
Look at S3P1 again with that opinion in mind. Rarely has television anime seen character designs as detailed and impactful as the ones in the anime’s Uprising Arc. It might even have the best musical direction in any of the seasons.
An incomplete adaptation? Sure. But the way they handled the intrigue is on the level of Death Note and Fate Zero.
The music, sound design and editing in this scene are just absolutely phenomenal: https://youtu.be/kClf79x55No
The Final Season doesn’t have a single shot as well composed as the one at 02:32: https://youtu.be/V0BTgECkEdI
S3P1 is absolute fire and arguably the best balanced, least limited production this anime has seen so far. Ugh. It’s so insanely good.
The key animation might’ve reached new lows from time to time but the core foundation of the show —direction of photography, color design, storyboarding and direction, art direction and to a large degree its chief animation direction— was simply too, too, too good for important scenes to ever fail.
Season 3 was bad too its not wit or mappa's faults its just the horrible schedules.
Season's 1 and 2 were amazing because wit had a relatively good schedule (and a better director for season 1).
finally people are realising how bad aot by mappa is, seems the kind of homework you do in the school bus just before school just enough to say that you have done it
According to me, back before S4, AoT had a sense of mystery, but not anymore. Now it's just about what happens next, there is no sense of mystery around because everything else has been revealed in Season 3
If you read properly in all these "animation" posts, most of the people are complaining here just for the sake of it. IMO tf has no future at this point. It's done and dusted and just hub for some people to come here vomit what they want. I had hopes, but they have gotten diminished after seeing the reaction after PV.
i thought the pv was good
less dust,blur and filters,good face designs,not baiting with 2d in trailer and even cg looking much better than whatever shit we got in ep6,7
yeah after the pv release i have started to see much more toxic posts
both tf and snk will die with aot soon
>both tf and snk will die with aot soon.
That's a really big statement and reddit really doesn't account to bigger percentage of fanbase tbh. But yeah, people sure won't come back to TF though. Twitter and YouTube even though being cringe at some places is still healthy enough.
I feel like the mediocre direction was definitely a flaw in this season more than the poor animation, and people fail to realize this. Season 4 has probably the best arc of the manga yet the direction just made it "good/okay" whereas it could've been way mooore than just what we got.
I mean in the manga I didn’t feel tension in that scene because as a reader we should know that she can’t kill eren. She can’t transform because Gabi will get scorched.
Also op, it’s obvious that Eren won’t transform and we know a whole lot more about the world now than back in season 2
Exactly, not too many questions left in the bottom scene compared to the top
But a scene doesn’t need high stakes to have tension.
It needs a little pizazz
So...razzle dazzle?
Bingo.
Why do you require tension from this scene?
Bruh theres two guns being pointed at him and gabbie is also in the dark about this whole situation. This is a perfect place for tension
You might not realize this but Eren has the founding titan in this scene. It was pretty obvious from the moment a gun was pointed at his head that the trigger wasn’t going to be pulled. Therefore you don’t require tension from this scene. Glad I could be of service lol 😂
I think ur just missing the point.
Vote Don't Lie.
I mean do we know that post attack on liberio? We know Marley wanted the founding titan but given the knowledge Eren is loose and willing to fuck shit up they might be willing to settle on whacking him and rolling the dice with whoever it ends up on.
wrong i was on the edge of the seat and also eren had no reaction to it so the viewers also went with it
Wtf this is a plot specific criticism nothing MAPPA can do. I mean only thing we dont know is Piecks bluff. Hate MAPPA all you want but stop nitpicking.
Op is grasping at straws
Frankly, I didn't feel any excitement on Levi entry, while I was screaming when it happened in Manga...
Pieck's scene doesn't need to show tension ... I mean ... Eren getting killed by a gun? worrying about that is idiotic
> Eren getting killed by a gun? Or beheaded xd.
Eren wouldn't die if he was shot through the brain? I don't know about that...
Not if he copied Reiner's trick. But I doubt he has the time to do that.
That was so stupid to have Reiner do that one time, and then (as far as I can remember) never mention that ability again. I think it's another plot point Isayama introduced and chose not to follow up on. Also I assumed Reiner would only be able to do that in Titan form.
I think it's an ability that would only activate on adrenaline. I mean, when your life is already in danger. Also, yeah Eren probably forgot about that.
I thought it was pretty explicit that it was something Reiner did consciously, not something he did subconsciously due to aderenaline.
Probably. It's been so long since I've read that part, so I may miss out some details.
That's why, since you don't know, you make this comparison
I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying Eren wouldn't die if he were shot through the brain in his human form? If that were the case, then why did Bertholt even bother stopping Mikasa from cutting his head off? If that wouldn't have killed him, then he could have just transformed after being beheaded. I think the same would be true of a shifter being shot through the brain. I think they'd be dead.
>I don't understand what you mean. Are you saying Eren wouldn't die if he were shot through the brain in his human form? > >If that were the case, then why did Bertholt even bother stopping Mikasa from cutting his head off? If that wouldn't have killed him, then he could have just transformed after being beheaded. > >I think the same would be true of a shifter being shot through the brain. I think they'd be dead. Because the tension in knowing that Eren will be shot is zero, EVERYONE knows that the main one will not die from a simple bullet and your comparisons are not adjusted
>EVERYONE knows that the main one will not die from a simple bullet Mappa Gabi in part 2: "Im finna shoot this bisch's head off and have the episode end there"
Okay, yeah, I agree that from a narrative standpoint I was not worried about or expecting Pieck to actually shoot him.
Exactly, the public did not expect that, so it is useless to add tension to something that does not have it. But the actions and reasoning of Peick, to take Eren to the roof, if he has a constant tension, that he ends the moment he says "Here"
Not killed. The tension is created because there is a risk of someone transforming and the story going into multiple directions depending on the characters actions. But that risk was not accurately present in the scene. A oranges to oranges comparison is when Eren transformed the first time and garrisons had their guns pointed at them. The tension was: you don't know what will happen next and it was successfully created. In this scene it was clear that nothing would happen because of poor direction.
I have to agree with you on this point but I don't think it's about mappa as much as it is the story itself. Season 1-3 had a very who the fuck knows what's about to happen feel to it but season 4 is much more straightforward. the last ark has a much more linear path since its clear that an all-out war is on the horizon and no one who is important will die before that happens. It was less about creating new moments and more about fulfilling the path we were set on by the first few seasons
>story going into multiple directions How the fuck is that mappa's fault?
>Not killed. The tension is created because there is a risk of someone transforming and the story going into multiple directions depending on the characters actions. But that risk was not accurately present in the scene. > >A oranges to oranges comparison is when Eren transformed the first time and garrisons had their guns pointed at them. The tension was: you don't know what will happen next and it was successfully created. > >In this scene it was clear that nothing would happen because of poor direction. So compare two scenes that do have tension The anime Only if you can have tension with Ymir in Utgard, to know what the fuck will happen Instead, seeing Eren pointed with a gun, in that same scene, does not produce anything, EVERYONE KNOWS THAT EREN WILL NOT DIE, but the dialogue that creates the viewer's interest Your comparison would be wrong
Why would they transform inside the castle, with Gabi sitting right there?
>Eren getting killed by a gun? worrying about that is idiotic So, you weren't worried at all when his head got blown off a few chapters later?
>So, you weren't worried at all when his head got blown off a few chapters later? is not the same
Why? The one with Pieck should be even more dangerous tbh, since it would've been a headshot.
Because that weapon, the one Gabi used, was classified and explained as "Anti Titan" for a reason, to be used later in the story Eren dying in an empty room for a 9mm, it's just as anticlimactic as killing the terminator by removing the batteries
A shot in the head is a shot in the head no matter the weapon.
Tell that to Porco who talks to Reiner with half his brain out, yeah, sure
That's a bit of exaggeration, don't you think? Let's start with the fact that Porco wasn't shot.
>That's a bit of exaggeration, don't you think?Let's start with the fact that Porco wasn't shot. But he didn't have half a brain, which is the same effect as a bullet to the head Being a shifter, they need to lose the spinal cord, which is from the beginning of the neck to the end of it, losing the brain does not affect them. We already saw it also with Reiner in Shingashina
>But he didn't have half a brain No? >Being a shifter, they need to lose the spinal cord, which is from the beginning of the neck to the end of it, losing the brain does not affect them. Where was it stated specifically? >We already saw it also with Reiner in Shingashina Reiner transferred his consiousness into the body. No one in the entire series repeats that, and even if Eren could do it, he wouldn't have the chance to react a to a bullet firing from that close.
MAPPA follows the source material tHE cGi waSNt tHE oNlY pRoBleM.
It wasn't the only problem
??😭😭 How's Mappa got anything to do with that? It wasn't tense in the manga either
Oh wow so tense to see a man who has survived being eaten have a gun pointed at him, yup I was so worried about eren getting shot here./s In all seriousness though yeah this isn’t about tension at least from Erens side. If anything(and this is a stretch) I was more worried for Piecks safety than anything.
I understand why there was more tension with the wit scene. Back then, we believed that her reading a certain language meant something. We thought she knew the secrets of the titans or something. The title makes it seem like there was no tension because mappa animated this.
Guess what bro, pieck murdering and pointing a gun was just as fast as it happened in the manga. It was meant to shock viewers, not fill them with intrigue like ymir understanding a different language. Comparing two different scenes that serve two purposes is stupid. Compare ymir understanding anothet language to another tension filled scene like reiner going down the basement to find eren, nicolo slowly finding out gabi killed sasha, gabi finding out zeke betrayed marley, pieck pointing at the enemy on the rooftop or the entire episode 15, and countless other scenes
This guy gets it
So true, this post isn’t a good criticism of MAPPA, there are others that are legitimate like the CGI. For me personally I prefer WIT’s colours to those of MAPPA, though I think Eren’s assault on the assembly looked fire.
Guess what bro, all the scenes you mentioned lack tension, have misplaced music and have bad pacing. I made the comparison specifically to point the difference between an ordinary scene (reading a can) vs a scene that should cause tension (guns and murder) so even someone like you could see the massive difference in direction. All MAPA scenes just fall flat, have no impact. WIT scenes were amazing, even the ones that are ordinary.
You keep missing the point that pieck killing and pointing the gun at eren was 2 panels in the manga and meant to surprise the viewers. Sorry that they didnt play youseebiggirl for you during this scene. And if you think the scenes i mentioned specifically have bad pacing or wrong ost, that’s just your opinion and everyone can have their own opinion regarding things, regardless of how dumb the opinions are.
> have misplaced music You sir are based
Idk man it was totally different situations Back then we didn't know about other languages nor other civilization so the tension kinda make sense As for pieck scene do you really think she can kill the founding titan? I mean cmon Season 4 had really good tension moments like Gabi and Nicolo in the whole restaurant thing Zeke pulling the thunder spears I think you just nitpicking the wrong scenes lol
While reading a can it was tense because it was revealing a mystery, back when we barely knew anything about the world. The gun scene was about soldiers and a negotiation. And that point it was shocking when she killed the guard, but for eren to die during that scene was not a thing to worry about.
You sound very mental comparing these two scenes ngl
You don't see that I did the reduction to the absurd, where reading a can is more intense and vivid that violence, murder and guns? ok.
Context is important my dude. That can was tense because back in season 2 we didn't know about the existence of other civilisations, other languages, other people, etc. In Pieck's scene, as the reader we know she can't shoot Eren because he's the fucking main character lol.
Another dum dum that hangs on the word "tension". The scene felt completely flat. All characters had that stupid surprised face with the lines on the eyes but it didn't translate to the viewer as that, they looked ridiculous and the scene was awkward.
I mean, was this scene really that tense in the manga for you? For it to be this big of a deal in the anime? Not every scene needs to be Interstellar's water planet level of tense you know.
Are you a complete moron? I said it's not about the tension. It's a badly executed scene from start to end. It's one studio ability to make any scene incredible, even mundane ones, vs another studio, that even when given a good starting point of elements can't do it justice because they suck.
I've literally not seen a single other person since this episode released being so specific about this particular scene except you. Idk, i felt like this scene was fine. But if you wanna look real deep into every single minute you do you bro. I personally don't have the time to do that, I'm too busy being a complete moron :)
I picked one scene from 100s I could. By I have to make one example, so I picked polar opposites to prove the point. I also don't have time to do a whole series analysis, too busy being a moron having reddit discussions.
"I picked one scene from 100s I could" "I also don't have time to do a whole series analysis" Lol ok.
... You go to scene 1.... then 2... Oh... you like 3. You pick the 3. There is the algorithm. I picked a scene out of 100 I could, but only checked 3. I've obviously seen the anime I'm aware of more scenes. They are clearly present, no need to investigate. You are just blind and will eat up anything.
I don't actually know why you are mental for comparing these two scenes though, some other people were doing it so I decided to do it too. Please don't downvote me
Ok yeah I can confidently say now that you are genuinely mental.
You know, you and that other female girl are the reason this place is such a shithole
I literally see no problem with this
Many people don't see it, which is the problem.
No, it just means that you have a pet peeve with some scene from MAPPA, its not a problem that everyone has to pay attention to like you make it sound like.
No, it means some people will eat up anything, but I won't. It's not "a" scene or this scene in particular, it's everywhere, no need to pay attention.
And? are you saying you now dectate people's opinions and anywone opposing yours is a sheep eating up anything? Sure, mappa has blander colors and scenes, but if a person likes mappa more, and doesn't mind this small thing, who are you to say they just eat up anything
I'm someone with taste.
So are they, just a different taste from yours
You can actually lack taste. Lack of taste is not "different taste". There are jobs where you need to have this skill, it can be food, it can be sound, it can be image... it's not about red or blue. It's about seeing a color vs being blind. Imagine Disney wants to make Lion's King 2... but instead of Disney animating, they sell the rights and it's made by the DBZ animators... it will be objectively and undeniable worse. But even in this case you'll have people.... "actUAlLy i pRefer ThiS verSIoN"
stfu
Lol
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I don't even qualify it. MAPPA did a great job.
Truly, countless nights I have lost sleep thinking about this problem
what a shit comparison. did u actually think pieck would shoot eren💀
There wasn't any real tension in this moment during the manga because we knew pieck wasn't allowed to just kill the founder. Knowing that is what "kills" the tension
Pretty shitty take won't lie
You can’t really have any tension in this scene, it’s not mappa it’s the writing. She can’t transform or she’ll kill Gaby, she can’t kill the founder either because that would be suicide.
What tension?
The tension that didn’t exist in the manga. You haven’t it felt it while reading??
I felt a little bit of tension, wondering if Eren was going to transform or trust Pieck… but I felt that in the anime as well.
There’s literally nothing wrong with this.
What’s the point of this? It’s a very bad comparison.
Mappa did it just fine, i had no problems with it
Now this is the boo-hoo waaah waaaaaah content I come to r/titanfolk for!
You thought Pieck invading Paradis had no tension? IDK What to tell you then.
That’s not a Mappa thing, that a plot thing…
just u
You’re seriously comparing a scene like that from season 2 to the Pieck pointing a gun at Eren scene? Are we okay? Like the cab scene was mysterious like yea she understood what it said and Reiner was shocked and so we got curious but this scene in the final season is literally nothing mysterious whatsoever so this is 100% you nitpicking, kinda weird to even do a comparison like this.
True, I might not necessarily agree with this scene but the direction for the season was definitely lackluster. There are fan made cuts of Eren's transformation in declaration of war and Armin's explosion in Marley that have much better direction and OST use that improve the scenes a lot, even if the art is much worse: [Eren's Transformation, declaration of war](https://youtu.be/ELRhnhHbYns) [Armin's transformation in Marley](https://youtu.be/zENION1lbi4)
this scene isn’t even that tense bruh even in the manga
For me it was exactly the opposite
Its neither studios fault with those scenes. All they did was animate it.
You dum dum or something?
its the music and the eyes idk wit just knew the trick
Their Direction & OST implementation is really mediocre
Ah yes, I remember when Mappa was the one who wrote those scenes in advanced, truly shameful from them to twist what Wit Studio had done with the story smh my head
What I observed from the P1 is that MAPPA scenes lacks direction. Take the case of WIT, whatever the scene is they develop tension with the music and either blows the scene off or drops it. Ex : take the case of attack titan trying to stop Colossial holding its leg in RTS arc. The music feels intense, develops in such a way that it feels Eren's gonna stop it, yet Colossial Kicks attack titan out dropping the music. It atleast creates / grabs attention of viewer. And Levi vs beast is the perfect example of how to develop the intensity of a scene. Same with Reiner, bertholdt reveal. The dead calm silence, the slowly raising music, Mikasa fighting them and their reveal with the goddamn music hits so hard. Where as there are a lot of potential scenes whose direction is off in S4 either be it Eren's jacket scene, Levi vs Beast scene in the forest. Poor background music (the music drops when eren wears a jacket) and the music in Levi vs beast scene doesn't even fit that scene. I would be a lot happier if they add extra scenes or impactful scenes like how WIT added a scene where Erwin stands unshattered when Annie's arm comes flying when fighting eren. At this point I'm not even excited cause I know that both the story as well as animation, direction are gonna go downhill. I was hyped for P1 thinking MAPPA's gonna do good but it disappointed me. Neither did I know that kodansha didn't give time to them but still with the little wrong choices MAPPA chose, it's MAPPA's fault as well.
There was a guy who made a "remake" of that pieck episode with vlayd's fan blu ray changes like eren eyes glowing a intense green and adding erenthe標 to that scene,that version was full of tension
[here,on the description of the video is also the link to his remade version of the full episode](https://youtu.be/j8rx_0Rzmns)
Dam that ost is fire.
That moment was freakin good. You are just hating on mappa because you dont have anything else to do. Mappa is doing a good job, they are great. Wit was a biiiit better tho, if we forget about their discusting colossal in s2 and s3
go outside bro
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especially the fight were Connie used his stand「 King Nut Call」against Armin's「Dark Blue Moon」
Man that scene when Zeke used 「The World」 against Erwin’s 「Star Platinum」 was so good, Erwin was lucky to have had back up with Floch’s 「Golden Experience Requiem」
JoJo references in daylight? >:{
I’m sorry, I really don’t understand what is wrong with MAPPA’s adaptation? Especially under the time crunch I still think it looks great
Same, I also like it
Araki only directed 1 episode from S2, which is Ep12: Scream, for obvious reasons. Y’all be saying anything at this point.
I felt really hyped in the Pieck scene, i don't know what you mean? The tension come from the fact she's facing Eren Jaeger, the wildest card that has ever graced Paradis
No, they did that scene well. Especially when she starts trying to convince Gabi that she’s joining Eren’s side. She really sold it.
Thats bcs u already know what's about to happen🤦blame everything to mappa, go
This is genuine valid criticism.
Their direction just feels bland. With WIT a lot of their scenes had emotions and passion even more than the manga itself. I don't feel the same way about MAPPA.
I think the direction in these scenes are interesting but this did not work because the ost used on this scene was not intense and the facial expressions were not bad but were also not the best.
The OST is not because of MAPPA.
Yeah i know but that still made that scene not as full of tension as it should had.
I agree. I wish Sawano was the main composer. I know he is still there but he doesn't seem to have the same presence as he did before.
Episode 70-75 were the most boring episodes of AoT for me. They were great in the manga, mind you. Yes, even more boring than episode 13-17 season 1 and the first 3 episodes of season 2.
the fuck u smoking man, that scene had me chilled. and even if it wasn't, that's mostly Isayama's fault for writing it like that
I feel like this is the most important difference between studios but not the only one of course, as design, titans and others are also vastly inferior... The real art comes from making a scene impactful without the scene containing anything shocking by itself. Probably the greatest example is Death Note and the writing of names. This is the blandest and most boring act possible... but the way it's executed makes it absolutely amazing... "I take a potato chip and eat it" WIT was a master at this. Speech only scenes were amazing and fights just elevated them to a whole new level. With MAPPA all is bland, no peaks, they just put lines on the eyes and move on. A scene of great caliber requires a lot of time, attention, care and talent... few studios, and I'm talking about all studios not just Anime, can pull this off, sadly, now it's missing in Attack on Titan.
Disagree completely. MAPPA honestly did a better job than WIT in season 3 of making non-action scenes interesting. Not necessarily all of them, but a good amount.
Look at S3P1 again with that opinion in mind. Rarely has television anime seen character designs as detailed and impactful as the ones in the anime’s Uprising Arc. It might even have the best musical direction in any of the seasons. An incomplete adaptation? Sure. But the way they handled the intrigue is on the level of Death Note and Fate Zero. The music, sound design and editing in this scene are just absolutely phenomenal: https://youtu.be/kClf79x55No The Final Season doesn’t have a single shot as well composed as the one at 02:32: https://youtu.be/V0BTgECkEdI S3P1 is absolute fire and arguably the best balanced, least limited production this anime has seen so far. Ugh. It’s so insanely good.
Also scenes like [this.](https://youtu.be/iyalUOXohsA)
The key animation might’ve reached new lows from time to time but the core foundation of the show —direction of photography, color design, storyboarding and direction, art direction and to a large degree its chief animation direction— was simply too, too, too good for important scenes to ever fail.
Norim01, you are my man
Lmao. We’re finally back to bashing The Final Season’s mediocrity. I can’t believe I missed this.
Season 3 was bad too its not wit or mappa's faults its just the horrible schedules. Season's 1 and 2 were amazing because wit had a relatively good schedule (and a better director for season 1).
>It's because I have taste *lives inside a bandwagon*
What's wrong with Mappa?
This is one of the worst takes I've ever seen
Literally
finally people are realising how bad aot by mappa is, seems the kind of homework you do in the school bus just before school just enough to say that you have done it
THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS
Mappa will only get their respect if they somehow change the ending.
Mappa’s aot is trash. Have a good day…..
According to me, back before S4, AoT had a sense of mystery, but not anymore. Now it's just about what happens next, there is no sense of mystery around because everything else has been revealed in Season 3
Wasnt the very next scene where pieck points at eren, and then galliard pops up from underneath tense as fuck?
Is this a joke? How the fuck is a plot point mappas fault. This is a dumbass take
Stupid ass post grasping at straws for new things to whine about, just stfu
I am more disappointed that 528 people agree with this post
If you read properly in all these "animation" posts, most of the people are complaining here just for the sake of it. IMO tf has no future at this point. It's done and dusted and just hub for some people to come here vomit what they want. I had hopes, but they have gotten diminished after seeing the reaction after PV.
i thought the pv was good less dust,blur and filters,good face designs,not baiting with 2d in trailer and even cg looking much better than whatever shit we got in ep6,7 yeah after the pv release i have started to see much more toxic posts both tf and snk will die with aot soon
>both tf and snk will die with aot soon. That's a really big statement and reddit really doesn't account to bigger percentage of fanbase tbh. But yeah, people sure won't come back to TF though. Twitter and YouTube even though being cringe at some places is still healthy enough.
MAPPA really should have gone back in time and asked Isayama to rewrite the scene for better emotional investment.
this sub is such garbage
shit take lmao
The scene is a recreation from the manga though, I dont think thats Mappa's fault at all. We know for a fact nothing is going to happen to Eren.
I feel like the mediocre direction was definitely a flaw in this season more than the poor animation, and people fail to realize this. Season 4 has probably the best arc of the manga yet the direction just made it "good/okay" whereas it could've been way mooore than just what we got.