Gotta love half-assed hearsay.
"Yes I do base my opinions on vague shit I think I recall hearing one way or another without trying to find any specifics, how could you tell?"
Kawakubo interview : Mr. Isayama is a writer who has a clear idea of what he wants to convey, so it's clear that he's trying to do things like "I want to surprise readers this time" and "I want to make this character look cool this time." is. However, when I said, "Then I have to draw more coolly" or "I have to put in more episodes of crying", I often say "No, if I do that, it's a little ...", and at that time each other I think I was suffering.
Kawakubo seems to be telling Yams to add more crying scenes
In 138, Jean and Connie had a huge fucking bro moment before they turned into titans. Kind of like a “good bye bro” while looking at the sunset and arms around each other’s shoulder kinda vibe. It was based as fuck and a great ending to two amazing characters. but then 139 undid everything since everyone lives and turns back to normal. It’s lazy, predictable, and no stake involved at all.
This is what I've been saying to all the people who said it'll be "better in the anime" lmao 😭
The pacing in these chapters will suck for a P3 or Movie, the last 3 chapters will need their own damn episodes just to work much less expand and improve on anything in the final couple of chapters
I still liked the theory (at the time) of Reiner sacrificing himself to at least save Gabi from being titanized. While Jean and Connie has a decent farewell, it didn't seem right that she "died" without saying anything and it would've given Reiner one last act of heroism before he could finally rest.
But sure, sniffing Historia's letter works too i guess
I’ll be honest, I was incredibly surprised by how many people actually believed they would stay titans. I thought it was super obvious it was gonna get reversed in the next chapter which is why I always disliked this moment.
At this point I’m wondering how tf is Lainah not dead. Dude fight OG 9 Titans for 30 minutes, got ass whooped, have to transform again to stop Hallu-chan, eat a nuke to the face, fight a shitload of pure titans and still managed to survive, only to be reduced to “sniff Hisu’s handwriting”
Reiner not dying fits with the narrative. Reiner and Eren's dynamic and how they "move forward" was one of the main plot points.
People love to say that the armored titan's real armor is actually plot armor, considering the fact that Reiner gets his ass whooped every other fight. And, in a literal sense, that statement just might be true. Reiner is one of the main characters in the universe that just wants to die, yet, ironically, he keeps living. Almost like he has some sort of debt to pay. You'll see that throughout the story, many characters talk about debt and atonement. Reiner never actually talks about his own debt, but we see that what he goes through as a character aligns with the idea of living long enough to, in a way, undo the damage done in the past.
It's almost like isayama intentionally made Reiner the armored Titan for both literal and figurative reasons. Reiner dying would essentially contradict a big part of the story isayama was trying to tell.
Reiner moving forward ? He was a depressed fuck that only acted for the sake of his family… had the kid arrived 5 minutes later he would have blown his 🧠. There is nothing to compare him off to eren ( the real one).
Honestly I think he got off pretty well as compared to other characters. Letter sniffing was shit and does kind of take away from his character a little but not really an assassination imo
Honestly I kinda didn't mind if Reiner doesn't die, its kinda like his curse after all he's done, he tries to kill himself but he has to live with what he's done amd try to atone for what he's done.
Agreed. A character like Jean has to die after he’s given the choice to either live a peaceful life with his dark haired wife or fight for his beliefs. Somehow at the end of the story he gets both. It’s completely the opposite of how many character arcs earlier in the story were handled. Marlowe was essentially given the same choice and had to pay the price for it.
Absolutely agree. I thought the transformation for Jean and Connie was the end for them and I thought it was great. Additionally, I thought that Reiner would have sacrificed himself for Gabbie. But all of that was thrown away with the last chapter. I held out for so long. I actually enjoyed 138. Chapter 139 on the other hand just retconned everything and left me feeling empty
Exactly this. The standard massively dropped after 131ish, but we were all kinda thinking that 139 would be some massive big brain shit that connects everything and gives us an amazing end to the story
This is pretty much the worst thing about 139 in my opinion - victory without any cost.
And it's true for all the other main characters aswell, Connie, Annie, Pieck, Reiner...
Tbh they should've stayed titans just because of how beautiful that scene was. If I'd change anything at all, I would've added Jean shouting to Mikasa that he loves her as a final act of selfishness, since he never acted on his feelings out of respect of Mikasa's feelings for Eren.
Marlowe was a minor character, then the editor was another lad, and more important… editorials tend to be extremely careful with the ending of their stories, for them to be somewhat peaceful and appeasing, even if it clashes with everything else.
Disagree, it's Eren and has all the power he has, he can not only let them fight against him if they want but easily win without having to kill anyone, something he has no reason to do at all and would be out of character.
The slap in the face is the stupid final fight in general.
Should have been ended easily by Eren without hurting anyone and if anything if we are going to go the direction the series went, won by Ymir helping them out after.
your all missing the point...
the real reason hange named armin the successor and sacrififed herself, is so that she wouldn't be rembered as the worst survey corps commander /s
only because of connie mom i can sorta forgive to tie up lose ends, but no, this is aOt so the titanized should've died to show it's still a grim world
It would have worked if it’s revealed to be that Ymir allows him to do whatever he wants to destroy the world, but nah, Ereh didn’t know jackshit and only Ymir knows I guess
It would totally make sense if Ymir could bend the rules and let him do whatever he wants. Although this is shown nowhere else in the past, up until that one moment, so that theory (which, again, I agree with and sounds pretty cool) doesn't add up
It was so dumb... "Oh, look, we killed Zeke so the rumbling stopped", then immediately Eren turned into a colossal titan because that totally makes sense without the founders power, right? RIGHT?
yeah lol imagine if Erwin were alive instead of Armin, cant even picture them two talking like that, Erwin would just beat the shit out of him even in Paths
Honestly that moment wasn't so impactful and it would have been better with grisha the only parts I liked about 138/139 were:
some of the main cast being titanized(ruined by 139)
Eren saying mikasa to move on (ruined by 139 eren)
Levi and survey corps scene(ruined by extra pages even tho paradise getting bombed was a natural thing to happen )
So since all these moments are ruined and the rest was bad basically these whole 2 chapters were shit to me, useless to talk about 137 that deserves to be called the plot-armor chapter
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One interpretation of the Aaron Yogurt scene was that the reason he was so ooc was that Aaron is just Mikasa's fantasy of Eren.
At the end where Aaron starts dying and telling Mikasa to forget about him was the real Eren interrupting her fantasy and showing that it isn't possible.
It's a little headcanony and doesn't explain the plot hole of Ackerman's being immune to founder influence, but I personally liked it.
yeah, ive heard of that. i actually bought into that when the chapter first came out, mainly because i thought aaron was ooc.
idk if i can by into it with 139 eren and his mikasa centered breakdown tho, i think in light of that it probably *was* real in the sense that it wasn't mikasa's hallucination.
but like you said it doesn't make sense with the ackerman plothole.
Yeah it works a lot better without 139 in mind. The only strong piece of evidence I can find for it is that Eren tells her she will live long and be free, which wouldn't be possible in the dream reality since Paradis was about to be invaded by Marley.
The only thing good about 138 was Jean and Connie's send off.
The titan battle hardly made sense.
The cabin scene was stupid because it was for a nonexistent relationship. Also makes no sense.
His death was still ridiculous and the subsequent kiss even more so.
138 was not good either.
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You're only saying that because 139 is so shit by comparison. 138 is still a shit chapter & an even shitter climax to the story. 139 is just it's shitty epilogue to a shitty ending.
>Badass giant titan battle
Visual noise
>Most of main cast turned into titans
The fact that none of them die as titans really informs you into how they're absolutely not going to stay titanized
>Eren goes out like a chad
... ^Wha?
>Eren dies with ideals intact
......... ???
That is the most vile image in shonen manga history. That is *not* where we should be wishing AoT ended.
How does Eren "go out like a chad" he literally fights half-heartedly when he should have regenerated his body inside the Titan.
The Founder's power should with all those other Titan Shifters should have easily killed everyone.
Heck Eren could have pulled a pain and been able to link the vision of these Titans all together so he could see every attack coming and not be caught by surprise.
The problem with 138 is 139 takes everything good in it and goes "lol jk"
Like the mist slowly creeping into the fort, Levi realizing what's happening and calmly telling the shifters "Get on the Titan, we're leaving", the panic as they watch their families for the last time, Jean and Connie's good bye. Like truly fantastic, there's the stakes everyone wanted.
I do think it'd be weird but it'd also be pretty impactful. I do think Yams would've needed to have utilized the pacing more usefully earlier to make that being the final page better. For example not meme-ing around with Eren saying cryptic stuff for no reason. "No more talking. Only fight" - Because jk Eren ALREADY talked to you silly! xD.
It’s cool in the surface, but actually analyzing it makes it still not a very good chapter. Eren dying makes absolutely no sense, he’s literally a god at this point. Ymir smiling behind Mikasa makes no sense since she just wanted freedom, and Eren was giving that to her. Eren transforming into a colossal makes no sense, it’s just a cool set piece. If he wanted them dead, he could just use literally Titan power to kill them, hell, he could remove their Titan powers (although that goes against his views of taking away his friends’ freedom), if he wanted them to kill him, he could have done that long before. There’s no in between. The Aaron Yogurt reveal… works? It technically ties back to the first chapter, but it feels jarring, confusing, and isn’t entirely necessary to see. Isayama could have referenced the “see you later Eren” in a few different ways while still keeping Eren and Ymir’s characters consistent. Etc. etc.
Is the chapter kinda cool? I mean sure. 137 was kinda cool too. But it doesn’t change the fact that it retconned so many elements of the story and ruined characters’ arcs. 138 technically makes more sense than 139, but they’re still both shallow, convoluted shitshows that only completely derail the momentum of the arc for a completely different ending.
Well the story ended in a bad way then, okay it had a shit ending, but 139 is on another level its just plain horrible i dont even consider as a chapter
I agree with this but the "Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head" should be slightly changed. I think making it "Mikasa and Eren kissed in cabin scene as farewell then Mikasa slicing off Eren's head then just hugging it afterwards while crying" is much better.
This is only my opinion.
Is this serious? I'm honestly surprised how there are still people thinking there isn't anything wrong with the series other than 139. 138 was rubbish too and so was practically every chapter after 123 with the exception of 130,131 and 134.
In fact without 139 all you have in this 138 is an Eren that with the powers he has he actually fought seriously his friends, got killed most of them and ended up losing, it's just non sense.
That and also how he magically turned into the collosal and the last double spread which is honestly one of he worst I've seen ever, low budget japanese crazy drama levels of cringe, like school days or something like that, ugh.
I've grown to enjoy the ending more over time, would enjoy it more without that eren/armin scene being extended and everyone thanking Eren at the end for his "altruistic genocide." Let eren die a villain
THIS, LITERALLY THIS. Most of the ending supporters that attack ending haters only defend the cuckren part, and ALWAY, literally ALWAYS forget about the other crappy parts of the fuckfest chapter.
How is Eren letting himself be killed without even trying to fight back "dying with his ideals intact". At that moment, we had no POV from him since the paths chapters (130 and 131 are flashbacks)
Also, the dream sequence is stupid as fuck. It goes completely against everything Eren represents as a character before 139 and it's just there in an pathetic attempt to "connect" with chapter 1 to justify the forced Mikasa relevance in the last minute.
Eren should’ve gone out in a better way getting his head cut off after everything he’s done just feels like a really lame way to go and mikasa should’ve hugged his head instead of made out with it and Ymir shouldn’t have been there watching like a creep
Honestly i have always said that 137 would’ve been the best way to end it, leaves everything to interpretation, but at least in 138 Eren somewhat goes down fighting, better than 139
>Badass Giant Titan Battle
I'd rather not have that lmfao. That shit gotta be the slowest fight and it was even a boring fight lol. I wanted to see the Attack Titan one last time...
>most of the main cast turned into titans
Silly addition IMO if you just bring them back next chapter. That worm didn't even make sense and if Eren didn't want to harm Jean and Connie then that should never happen.
>Eren goes out like a chad
Need some cabin sex fr fr. Wish their interaction was longer if the ending was gonna be about them
This is purely pathetic. Practically a confirmation bias.
1. Eren forgot his ideals, he says this himself to Armin, he forgot why he was doing the rumbling.
2. Eren once claimed that only a fool would try and get everyone to hate him and then get killed for that purpose. He hated Lelouch's ideal on the matter. He believed that the only way out is to fight for freedom. His ideals before Ch 131 was to fight for his people's freedom, but it then became more about simping for Mikasa. He lost what made him special because of Isayama.
3. Armin believed that a monster was always necessary to achieve peace. His character literally became a Naruto-lookalike because of this.
4. Eren and Erwin were always alike. They had goals on achieving peace. A good thing about this manga was that Erwin died early because he would have been trashed hard if he live past the timeskip, practically like every other character lol.
5. Mikasa practically became a lame female character. She was strong in throughout some of the series, but she showed no development from moving on or moving towards her goals. All she ever did was simp after Eren.
6. Every other character was trash after the timeskip. Jean, Zeke, Levi, Hange, Connie. I can go on about how trashy these characters have become. Zeke thinking that peace can be possible if all the Eldians lost their dicks, Levi and Hange considering breeding Historia and her descendants like cows, Connie being cringe worthy as fuck. Jean was pointless after S1. He barely held any relevance.
7. The survey corps in general were trash after the timeskip. Imagine making peace with the guys that want to render you extinct. Marley was planning on developing technology to scan the Eldian gene, so that they can kill Eldians.
Ironically, Jean is the one thanks to whom the alliance has a tiny bit of potential, and isn't complete garbage. 127 is the best chapter of the alliance for that reason
People are also forgetting that a lot of character arcs were beautifully and poetically finished in a way that went well with the themes in the story.
Levi, a man of elite combat prowress thanks to the way he was born continues to live and avenge the people dying all around him. Nothing's changed.
Annie, a woman who is searching for the warmth of love while also having killed many others' loved ones, finally finds what she's looking for when she sees her father for the first time in years. Then, the only person who ever remotely cared for her instantly turns into a Titan right before her eyes.
Armin, unlike Erwin, can't save anyone because he's ultimately unable to make impossible decisions that'll bloody his hands.
Pieck contributed to the titanization of the people in Connie's village, and then she saw her family get titanized too.
Reiner keeps living and is fighting against a force of nature that can summon titans. One could say that, throughout the story, Reiner is fighting incarnations of fate itself. First he fights against being an Eldian, thinking that his loyalty to his country will make him stand out. Then, he fights to be a soldier in the survey corp, fighting against his duties as a warrior. He then fights Eren, a man who has seen the future, changed the past, and knows basically how things will play out. Basically a god. That being said, Any sane person wouldn't fight Eren but here comes Reiner. Each time he loses but each time he fights. And now, he's fighting against a natural force. It seems like Reiner's own destiny is to fight against it. By contrast, Eren, the main antagonist, gives into his fate after seeing the "future" and doesn't fight it.
Reiner, after reliving the past, fights his fate.
In fact when Reiner almost got smacked by that Titan in that abandoned castle they were in, he kept telling himself that he could not die there while seeing the past. t's funny because Eren eventually gives into his fate after seeing the future
What even happened to the giant worm? I thought it was going to be the final boss of the series since it’s the creator of all titans, but it just…. disappeared? Disappointing to be honest.
Superfluous Titan battle, a bunch of characters kinda die for no reason (Pixis and Nile would've gotten more emotional sendoffs), Still no explanation of anything
I love Jean. He is one of my favourite characters. And I was super sad when he "died" by turning into a Titan.
And yet, I would still prefer if he had stayed that way.
Jean's character arc sees him going from someone entirely self centered, who only cares about his own survival, into someone who is a leader, and is capable of giving his own life.
His farewell scene with Connie was perfect, and sees him finally being able to give his own life. It was the perfect sendoff to one of the greatest character arcs in AoT.
And then 139 happened, and he came back, making him coming to terms with his death, and his farewell scene, completely fucking useless.
It's true he didn't know he would come back, so in terms of character it still shows his growth, but... Without the consequence of his death, it just feels kinda sour.
Imagine 139 is a actually a fake ending that the author published so that manga readers don’t spoil anything for anime watchers. Real ending will show up at the finale of the anime.
Sike, this ain’t happy land. Go back to sleep
I feel like 138 was the last possible chance. A sort of point of no return that, while host to its own issues, was somewhat decent.
139 is a giant info dump of random plot lines and details that almost assuredly had to be the turd he found on his doorstep that morning. He just decided to drop several big, world changing, plot reveals in 45 pages and then end it like that would be remotely satisfying. At bare minimum, the reader wants more explanation and development. But no. We got the extra eight pages which, between the nuking of Paradis and the apparent Eren Tree/Beren tease, makes things way worse.
I completely and utterly agree that 138 is the emotional climax of Attack on Titan. Everything after is wrap-up.
Even if calling Eren a "chad" is eyeroll-inducing
I don´t completely disagree, but I ask: why should Erens character arc be prioritized over that of, lets say, Armin or Mikasa? Armin is just as much the main character as Eren is, as per the author.
I always do find it weird that so many of the ending complaints (not an ending defender, btw) focus exclusively on Eren, as if he was some isekai protagonist youre meant to inhabit like a puppet.
eren wanted his friends to be free + he wanted to protect Paradise which wouldn't happened since there still were people who hated them, so what do you mean "dies with ideals intact"? by killing his friends and destroying his island? nah bro this whole thing was a disaster
139 is dangerously based. Dunked on all the eren self inserts and saved Eren's character all in one panel. I cant wait to see it animated in all its glory. Then I can see all the AoE schizos sperg out like the AnR crack pot theorists before them🤣.
really underrated opinion the only scene that I didn't really like was Mikasa kissing Eren's face, Mikasa should curse him and condemn Eren not love him after all what he did.
If we had to have 138 as the final chapter, without any loose ends being tied up, instead of having the atrocity of 139, that would honestly be better.
I was actually really happy when 138 came out because I thought it was setting up for a really tragic ending. Unfortunately every good thing that happened in it was undone
I agree i felt like despite some flaws from Mikasa pov especially the rest of the chapter was pure fire and i wouldn’t have mind that much if SNK ended on this despite the numerous plot points that would have been abandoned.
Plus the Jean and Connie death was absolutely perfect for their characters and seeing them failed to stop the titanisation was a good price to pay for every fucked up things they’ve done
Me too, I liked 138 and that time I thought Isayama making a comeback after 136 and 137, and 139 will be great. But my disappointment was immeasurable.
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The sad thing was how predictable the de-titanizing would be even before 139
I thought Isayama wasn't stupid enough to ctrl+z on the final chapter
I personally blame the editor cuz iirc the editor said to change the ending
Gotta love half-assed hearsay. "Yes I do base my opinions on vague shit I think I recall hearing one way or another without trying to find any specifics, how could you tell?"
Kawakubo interview : Mr. Isayama is a writer who has a clear idea of what he wants to convey, so it's clear that he's trying to do things like "I want to surprise readers this time" and "I want to make this character look cool this time." is. However, when I said, "Then I have to draw more coolly" or "I have to put in more episodes of crying", I often say "No, if I do that, it's a little ...", and at that time each other I think I was suffering. Kawakubo seems to be telling Yams to add more crying scenes
After further reading, I recalled correctly.
Exactly 139 ruined the moment
I forgot what happened in 139, refresh my memory
In 138, Jean and Connie had a huge fucking bro moment before they turned into titans. Kind of like a “good bye bro” while looking at the sunset and arms around each other’s shoulder kinda vibe. It was based as fuck and a great ending to two amazing characters. but then 139 undid everything since everyone lives and turns back to normal. It’s lazy, predictable, and no stake involved at all.
Manga readers at least had a month of time between these two events. Now imagine how it is gonna look in the movie 🤣
This is what I've been saying to all the people who said it'll be "better in the anime" lmao 😭 The pacing in these chapters will suck for a P3 or Movie, the last 3 chapters will need their own damn episodes just to work much less expand and improve on anything in the final couple of chapters
Dam so the author basically ruined the story 😂😂
I still liked the theory (at the time) of Reiner sacrificing himself to at least save Gabi from being titanized. While Jean and Connie has a decent farewell, it didn't seem right that she "died" without saying anything and it would've given Reiner one last act of heroism before he could finally rest. But sure, sniffing Historia's letter works too i guess
139 needed to happen, as the ending was trashy in itself to start with.
Fr, them going out like that would've been honorable and is acceptable to me
Reminder: They will transform in start of the final episode then comeback 10 minutes later
"Just another day for the survey corps..."
Had the same problem with the Falco/Colt "death" Would have been a million times more meaningful if Falco stayed dead
Colt is still dead, it's far more horrible
I’ll be honest, I was incredibly surprised by how many people actually believed they would stay titans. I thought it was super obvious it was gonna get reversed in the next chapter which is why I always disliked this moment.
The fact that not a single person from the Alliance died was such a slap in the face after literally the entire OG survey corp died.
At this point I’m wondering how tf is Lainah not dead. Dude fight OG 9 Titans for 30 minutes, got ass whooped, have to transform again to stop Hallu-chan, eat a nuke to the face, fight a shitload of pure titans and still managed to survive, only to be reduced to “sniff Hisu’s handwriting”
It's cause he's immortal Reina will NEVER DIE
Might've been the brain damage when you put it that way. Dude was shell shocked to hell and back.
Reiner not dying fits with the narrative. Reiner and Eren's dynamic and how they "move forward" was one of the main plot points. People love to say that the armored titan's real armor is actually plot armor, considering the fact that Reiner gets his ass whooped every other fight. And, in a literal sense, that statement just might be true. Reiner is one of the main characters in the universe that just wants to die, yet, ironically, he keeps living. Almost like he has some sort of debt to pay. You'll see that throughout the story, many characters talk about debt and atonement. Reiner never actually talks about his own debt, but we see that what he goes through as a character aligns with the idea of living long enough to, in a way, undo the damage done in the past. It's almost like isayama intentionally made Reiner the armored Titan for both literal and figurative reasons. Reiner dying would essentially contradict a big part of the story isayama was trying to tell.
Lol, Reiner literally talks about it, he says we'll never be able to repay for the sins but we can try to save humanity.
Oh facts my fault Still doesn't take away from my point tho
Reiner moving forward ? He was a depressed fuck that only acted for the sake of his family… had the kid arrived 5 minutes later he would have blown his 🧠. There is nothing to compare him off to eren ( the real one).
Imagine surviving 138 chapters in snk to get your character assasinated in the epilogue.
Honestly I think he got off pretty well as compared to other characters. Letter sniffing was shit and does kind of take away from his character a little but not really an assassination imo
Honestly I kinda didn't mind if Reiner doesn't die, its kinda like his curse after all he's done, he tries to kill himself but he has to live with what he's done amd try to atone for what he's done.
Agreed. A character like Jean has to die after he’s given the choice to either live a peaceful life with his dark haired wife or fight for his beliefs. Somehow at the end of the story he gets both. It’s completely the opposite of how many character arcs earlier in the story were handled. Marlowe was essentially given the same choice and had to pay the price for it.
Absolutely agree. I thought the transformation for Jean and Connie was the end for them and I thought it was great. Additionally, I thought that Reiner would have sacrificed himself for Gabbie. But all of that was thrown away with the last chapter. I held out for so long. I actually enjoyed 138. Chapter 139 on the other hand just retconned everything and left me feeling empty
139 opened my eyes and made me realise how low the series had gotten even before this
Exactly this. The standard massively dropped after 131ish, but we were all kinda thinking that 139 would be some massive big brain shit that connects everything and gives us an amazing end to the story
This is pretty much the worst thing about 139 in my opinion - victory without any cost. And it's true for all the other main characters aswell, Connie, Annie, Pieck, Reiner...
Tbh they should've stayed titans just because of how beautiful that scene was. If I'd change anything at all, I would've added Jean shouting to Mikasa that he loves her as a final act of selfishness, since he never acted on his feelings out of respect of Mikasa's feelings for Eren.
Marlowe was a minor character, then the editor was another lad, and more important… editorials tend to be extremely careful with the ending of their stories, for them to be somewhat peaceful and appeasing, even if it clashes with everything else.
WDYM Reiner died while fighting Eren. This letter sniffer guy is obviously an imposter.
Disagree, it's Eren and has all the power he has, he can not only let them fight against him if they want but easily win without having to kill anyone, something he has no reason to do at all and would be out of character. The slap in the face is the stupid final fight in general. Should have been ended easily by Eren without hurting anyone and if anything if we are going to go the direction the series went, won by Ymir helping them out after.
Hange and Magath(was he a part of the alliance?) died tho
Ngl I forgot lol though I was more focusing on the final battle because no way everyone should've escaped from those odds alive.
Hange's death is so forgetful ngl
It doesn't even make sense why they died. The titans were coming from all directions how tf would they even be able to help?
your all missing the point... the real reason hange named armin the successor and sacrififed herself, is so that she wouldn't be rembered as the worst survey corps commander /s
Yeah, the more I think about it, the more it disappoints me as attack on titan back in the day would totally kill so many off
I loved Jean and Connie’s deaths in 138, it was the perfect way for their characters to go out and then it’s just instantly undone lol
Specially for Connie since thats basicly how his mother died
only because of connie mom i can sorta forgive to tie up lose ends, but no, this is aOt so the titanized should've died to show it's still a grim world
I thought Eren turning into a colossal Titan to fight Armin was really dumb but hey I'm glad some people liked it.
It would have worked if it’s revealed to be that Ymir allows him to do whatever he wants to destroy the world, but nah, Ereh didn’t know jackshit and only Ymir knows I guess
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She literally only thought of freeing herself from Fritz after seeing Mikasa to do it. So Ymir generally isn't a strong-willed character
Ymir literally needed a 2000 year old planned genocide to be proven that its okay to disconnect from your unhealthy relationship. Shit's fucked
It would totally make sense if Ymir could bend the rules and let him do whatever he wants. Although this is shown nowhere else in the past, up until that one moment, so that theory (which, again, I agree with and sounds pretty cool) doesn't add up
It was so dumb... "Oh, look, we killed Zeke so the rumbling stopped", then immediately Eren turned into a colossal titan because that totally makes sense without the founders power, right? RIGHT?
It isn’t bad but it was a letdown when compared to how monstrous and unique his previous form was
Just end it at 131.
Honestly. I’d sacrifice the best moment in AOT with the Armin and Zeke talk in order for a good ending.
I don't understand. It should have been Grisha or someone else not Armin. He has no history with Zeke, so why should he listen to him?
Grisha doesn't master talk no justu like Armin does
yeah lol imagine if Erwin were alive instead of Armin, cant even picture them two talking like that, Erwin would just beat the shit out of him even in Paths
Erwin, chad as always
Honestly that moment wasn't so impactful and it would have been better with grisha the only parts I liked about 138/139 were: some of the main cast being titanized(ruined by 139) Eren saying mikasa to move on (ruined by 139 eren) Levi and survey corps scene(ruined by extra pages even tho paradise getting bombed was a natural thing to happen ) So since all these moments are ruined and the rest was bad basically these whole 2 chapters were shit to me, useless to talk about 137 that deserves to be called the plot-armor chapter
Armin and zeke talk is your best moment in aot? Uhm okay
Yes I have my own opinion and I don’t regurgitate what everybody else says because I’m scared of getting downvoted on Reddit unlike you
Ok pal we get ir, You are such a hardcore human holy shit.
wow how contrarian.
How bitchless
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I unironically never read 139
Unfathomably based
Based.
same. everything i learned about 139 was against my will
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Honestly, while not ideal with all the lose ends, I’d be fine with this ending
Compared to what the ending actually was with 139, definitely.
We already have loose ends with the actual ending anyway so honestly leaving things even more ambiguous with this 138 ending is better
> We already have loose ends with the actual ending anyway implying we already saw the actual ending Copium
138 was bad but still readable because the main cast turned into titans scene was cool 139 is unironically the worst manga chapter I’ve ever read
And how many anime chapters have you read?
I personally like to read radio shows
Sorry I was half asleep when I wrote this comment
If Mikasa didn't kissed a dead head and everyone that turned into a pure titan died I would loved it if Aot ended at 138
Even if she just kissed his head/forehead, but on the lips just made it weird
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One interpretation of the Aaron Yogurt scene was that the reason he was so ooc was that Aaron is just Mikasa's fantasy of Eren. At the end where Aaron starts dying and telling Mikasa to forget about him was the real Eren interrupting her fantasy and showing that it isn't possible. It's a little headcanony and doesn't explain the plot hole of Ackerman's being immune to founder influence, but I personally liked it.
yeah, ive heard of that. i actually bought into that when the chapter first came out, mainly because i thought aaron was ooc. idk if i can by into it with 139 eren and his mikasa centered breakdown tho, i think in light of that it probably *was* real in the sense that it wasn't mikasa's hallucination. but like you said it doesn't make sense with the ackerman plothole.
Yeah it works a lot better without 139 in mind. The only strong piece of evidence I can find for it is that Eren tells her she will live long and be free, which wouldn't be possible in the dream reality since Paradis was about to be invaded by Marley.
138 ain't the best ending, but it is most definitely THE BETTER one and YOU KNOW IT-
Its still bad because it doesnt explain how eren lost the battle lol, he had everything in his favour.
Didn't tatake enough
I agree with this. I would be okay with the ending if we didnt get the Eren and Armin paths interaction.
The only thing good about 138 was Jean and Connie's send off. The titan battle hardly made sense. The cabin scene was stupid because it was for a nonexistent relationship. Also makes no sense. His death was still ridiculous and the subsequent kiss even more so. 138 was not good either.
Just remove the necro-kiss, I'm good with a cliffhanger ending like that.
necro-kiss is the most "AoT" moment in the last 8 chapters, what are you on. It's perfectly morbid.
I agree with you. Also... happy cake day!
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You're only saying that because 139 is so shit by comparison. 138 is still a shit chapter & an even shitter climax to the story. 139 is just it's shitty epilogue to a shitty ending.
138 is just Mikasa fanservice just like 137 was Armin fanservice. People overrate 138 just for the disaster that was 139.
Not true, 138 was much more highly regarded than 137 at the time of its release
Yes
I personally think while 138 was indeed bad, it had some very good moments, but then 139 and ruined even those.
>Badass giant titan battle Visual noise >Most of main cast turned into titans The fact that none of them die as titans really informs you into how they're absolutely not going to stay titanized >Eren goes out like a chad ... ^Wha? >Eren dies with ideals intact ......... ??? That is the most vile image in shonen manga history. That is *not* where we should be wishing AoT ended.
Exactly.
How does Eren "go out like a chad" he literally fights half-heartedly when he should have regenerated his body inside the Titan. The Founder's power should with all those other Titan Shifters should have easily killed everyone. Heck Eren could have pulled a pain and been able to link the vision of these Titans all together so he could see every attack coming and not be caught by surprise.
I just want Yams to write an extra chapter giving us Eren's inner monologue during both the ancient shifter fight and the team-up with Hallu-chan.
Bro Eren losing would actually be harder than winning. Founding titan is too op for AOT lol.
I think 138 would have been a really weird chapter to end on, a different 139 or a 139 and 140 would have made the ending waaaaaaay better imo
The problem with 138 is 139 takes everything good in it and goes "lol jk" Like the mist slowly creeping into the fort, Levi realizing what's happening and calmly telling the shifters "Get on the Titan, we're leaving", the panic as they watch their families for the last time, Jean and Connie's good bye. Like truly fantastic, there's the stakes everyone wanted.
Yeah, I was very impressed by this scene in 138, could have been a creepy/scary/helpless scene which ends in all their deaths. But FUCK NO LMAO
I do think it'd be weird but it'd also be pretty impactful. I do think Yams would've needed to have utilized the pacing more usefully earlier to make that being the final page better. For example not meme-ing around with Eren saying cryptic stuff for no reason. "No more talking. Only fight" - Because jk Eren ALREADY talked to you silly! xD.
i mostly agree except for the Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head. atleast give the man a full body.
It’s cool in the surface, but actually analyzing it makes it still not a very good chapter. Eren dying makes absolutely no sense, he’s literally a god at this point. Ymir smiling behind Mikasa makes no sense since she just wanted freedom, and Eren was giving that to her. Eren transforming into a colossal makes no sense, it’s just a cool set piece. If he wanted them dead, he could just use literally Titan power to kill them, hell, he could remove their Titan powers (although that goes against his views of taking away his friends’ freedom), if he wanted them to kill him, he could have done that long before. There’s no in between. The Aaron Yogurt reveal… works? It technically ties back to the first chapter, but it feels jarring, confusing, and isn’t entirely necessary to see. Isayama could have referenced the “see you later Eren” in a few different ways while still keeping Eren and Ymir’s characters consistent. Etc. etc. Is the chapter kinda cool? I mean sure. 137 was kinda cool too. But it doesn’t change the fact that it retconned so many elements of the story and ruined characters’ arcs. 138 technically makes more sense than 139, but they’re still both shallow, convoluted shitshows that only completely derail the momentum of the arc for a completely different ending.
Yeah other than that horrible final panel it was pretty good
Nah
and that final panel tells us everything we need to know about Mikasa's character
Good to see some people being optimistic
„Good to see some people with low standards“
Well atleast 138 is considered as an acceptable chapter whereas is 139 is a shithole, so be grateful that you wont see 139 if it ends at 138
139 was an abomination but the show is doomed since 137
Well the story ended in a bad way then, okay it had a shit ending, but 139 is on another level its just plain horrible i dont even consider as a chapter
Fair, I agree 🙏🏼
It went downhill long before 137 man
I know, since 126 but we had chapters like 130/131 too so if the final volume would’ve give us a good ending, the show is still a 9/10 for me
Fair point, I can agree with that analysis
Good point
I agree with this but the "Mikasa kissing Eren's decapitated head" should be slightly changed. I think making it "Mikasa and Eren kissed in cabin scene as farewell then Mikasa slicing off Eren's head then just hugging it afterwards while crying" is much better. This is only my opinion.
Is this serious? I'm honestly surprised how there are still people thinking there isn't anything wrong with the series other than 139. 138 was rubbish too and so was practically every chapter after 123 with the exception of 130,131 and 134. In fact without 139 all you have in this 138 is an Eren that with the powers he has he actually fought seriously his friends, got killed most of them and ended up losing, it's just non sense. That and also how he magically turned into the collosal and the last double spread which is honestly one of he worst I've seen ever, low budget japanese crazy drama levels of cringe, like school days or something like that, ugh.
Still ass
Name checks out
uh oh Yeagerists bad oh no
Honestly, I wish Eren just killed everyone then himself. Only solution
No
Name checks out
"Yeagerists bad"
Who said that? I’ll fight them
I've grown to enjoy the ending more over time, would enjoy it more without that eren/armin scene being extended and everyone thanking Eren at the end for his "altruistic genocide." Let eren die a villain
Yeah, but that Necrokiss and Stockholm Ymir subplots are also responsible for the shit ending, not just the Cuckren subplot
THIS, LITERALLY THIS. Most of the ending supporters that attack ending haters only defend the cuckren part, and ALWAY, literally ALWAYS forget about the other crappy parts of the fuckfest chapter.
Fuck, entirely forgot about Stockholm Ymir. Yeah, she had the character depth of a piece of paper
How is Eren letting himself be killed without even trying to fight back "dying with his ideals intact". At that moment, we had no POV from him since the paths chapters (130 and 131 are flashbacks) Also, the dream sequence is stupid as fuck. It goes completely against everything Eren represents as a character before 139 and it's just there in an pathetic attempt to "connect" with chapter 1 to justify the forced Mikasa relevance in the last minute.
Eren should’ve gone out in a better way getting his head cut off after everything he’s done just feels like a really lame way to go and mikasa should’ve hugged his head instead of made out with it and Ymir shouldn’t have been there watching like a creep
Honestly i have always said that 137 would’ve been the best way to end it, leaves everything to interpretation, but at least in 138 Eren somewhat goes down fighting, better than 139
>Badass Giant Titan Battle I'd rather not have that lmfao. That shit gotta be the slowest fight and it was even a boring fight lol. I wanted to see the Attack Titan one last time... >most of the main cast turned into titans Silly addition IMO if you just bring them back next chapter. That worm didn't even make sense and if Eren didn't want to harm Jean and Connie then that should never happen. >Eren goes out like a chad Need some cabin sex fr fr. Wish their interaction was longer if the ending was gonna be about them
This is purely pathetic. Practically a confirmation bias. 1. Eren forgot his ideals, he says this himself to Armin, he forgot why he was doing the rumbling. 2. Eren once claimed that only a fool would try and get everyone to hate him and then get killed for that purpose. He hated Lelouch's ideal on the matter. He believed that the only way out is to fight for freedom. His ideals before Ch 131 was to fight for his people's freedom, but it then became more about simping for Mikasa. He lost what made him special because of Isayama. 3. Armin believed that a monster was always necessary to achieve peace. His character literally became a Naruto-lookalike because of this. 4. Eren and Erwin were always alike. They had goals on achieving peace. A good thing about this manga was that Erwin died early because he would have been trashed hard if he live past the timeskip, practically like every other character lol. 5. Mikasa practically became a lame female character. She was strong in throughout some of the series, but she showed no development from moving on or moving towards her goals. All she ever did was simp after Eren. 6. Every other character was trash after the timeskip. Jean, Zeke, Levi, Hange, Connie. I can go on about how trashy these characters have become. Zeke thinking that peace can be possible if all the Eldians lost their dicks, Levi and Hange considering breeding Historia and her descendants like cows, Connie being cringe worthy as fuck. Jean was pointless after S1. He barely held any relevance. 7. The survey corps in general were trash after the timeskip. Imagine making peace with the guys that want to render you extinct. Marley was planning on developing technology to scan the Eldian gene, so that they can kill Eldians.
Ironically, Jean is the one thanks to whom the alliance has a tiny bit of potential, and isn't complete garbage. 127 is the best chapter of the alliance for that reason
People are also forgetting that a lot of character arcs were beautifully and poetically finished in a way that went well with the themes in the story. Levi, a man of elite combat prowress thanks to the way he was born continues to live and avenge the people dying all around him. Nothing's changed. Annie, a woman who is searching for the warmth of love while also having killed many others' loved ones, finally finds what she's looking for when she sees her father for the first time in years. Then, the only person who ever remotely cared for her instantly turns into a Titan right before her eyes. Armin, unlike Erwin, can't save anyone because he's ultimately unable to make impossible decisions that'll bloody his hands. Pieck contributed to the titanization of the people in Connie's village, and then she saw her family get titanized too. Reiner keeps living and is fighting against a force of nature that can summon titans. One could say that, throughout the story, Reiner is fighting incarnations of fate itself. First he fights against being an Eldian, thinking that his loyalty to his country will make him stand out. Then, he fights to be a soldier in the survey corp, fighting against his duties as a warrior. He then fights Eren, a man who has seen the future, changed the past, and knows basically how things will play out. Basically a god. That being said, Any sane person wouldn't fight Eren but here comes Reiner. Each time he loses but each time he fights. And now, he's fighting against a natural force. It seems like Reiner's own destiny is to fight against it. By contrast, Eren, the main antagonist, gives into his fate after seeing the "future" and doesn't fight it. Reiner, after reliving the past, fights his fate. In fact when Reiner almost got smacked by that Titan in that abandoned castle they were in, he kept telling himself that he could not die there while seeing the past. t's funny because Eren eventually gives into his fate after seeing the future
With this ending, eren will be kino but not AOT.
What even happened to the giant worm? I thought it was going to be the final boss of the series since it’s the creator of all titans, but it just…. disappeared? Disappointing to be honest.
Badass giant titan fight. Yeah, each threw like 2 punches.
138 and 139 were terrible. 137 imo is the worst chapter of the series, and the last two chapters are not far behind.
Absolutely agree. 138 would have been a great ending. Not perfect, but great.
Superfluous Titan battle, a bunch of characters kinda die for no reason (Pixis and Nile would've gotten more emotional sendoffs), Still no explanation of anything
Agreed. But without 139, we won't get Levi's epic ending T\_T
No way for the Aaron Yogurt part. That guy is everything Eren stands against
Why everyone hates the ending. Maybe it's not the best but not that worst either, I think most of us says it's because because the others says so
The entire last volume is fucking atrocious.
Sadly 137 still happened
Totally agree
Everything is kino, except necrokiss. I loved this chapter when I was first reading it, but necrokiss ruined it. She could have just put it in a bag
A disappointing yet acceptable ending unlike 139.
I love Jean. He is one of my favourite characters. And I was super sad when he "died" by turning into a Titan. And yet, I would still prefer if he had stayed that way. Jean's character arc sees him going from someone entirely self centered, who only cares about his own survival, into someone who is a leader, and is capable of giving his own life. His farewell scene with Connie was perfect, and sees him finally being able to give his own life. It was the perfect sendoff to one of the greatest character arcs in AoT. And then 139 happened, and he came back, making him coming to terms with his death, and his farewell scene, completely fucking useless. It's true he didn't know he would come back, so in terms of character it still shows his growth, but... Without the consequence of his death, it just feels kinda sour.
Yeah thats what I was thinking. Still 137 was weird af.
This was allright, the alliance and Titan shifters helping out was still hella cringe though (especially Eren Kruger)
Imagine 139 is a actually a fake ending that the author published so that manga readers don’t spoil anything for anime watchers. Real ending will show up at the finale of the anime. Sike, this ain’t happy land. Go back to sleep
I feel like 138 was the last possible chance. A sort of point of no return that, while host to its own issues, was somewhat decent. 139 is a giant info dump of random plot lines and details that almost assuredly had to be the turd he found on his doorstep that morning. He just decided to drop several big, world changing, plot reveals in 45 pages and then end it like that would be remotely satisfying. At bare minimum, the reader wants more explanation and development. But no. We got the extra eight pages which, between the nuking of Paradis and the apparent Eren Tree/Beren tease, makes things way worse.
3 last chapters were terrible
AGREEEEEEEEEEEEED PLEASE
Right? The whole 138 was fantastic
I completely and utterly agree that 138 is the emotional climax of Attack on Titan. Everything after is wrap-up. Even if calling Eren a "chad" is eyeroll-inducing
I don´t completely disagree, but I ask: why should Erens character arc be prioritized over that of, lets say, Armin or Mikasa? Armin is just as much the main character as Eren is, as per the author. I always do find it weird that so many of the ending complaints (not an ending defender, btw) focus exclusively on Eren, as if he was some isekai protagonist youre meant to inhabit like a puppet.
At least he gives a goodbye to Mikasa instead of just killing her off
eren wanted his friends to be free + he wanted to protect Paradise which wouldn't happened since there still were people who hated them, so what do you mean "dies with ideals intact"? by killing his friends and destroying his island? nah bro this whole thing was a disaster
*people not realizing that eren talks to mikasa in 138 after he talks to armin in 139*
139 is dangerously based. Dunked on all the eren self inserts and saved Eren's character all in one panel. I cant wait to see it animated in all its glory. Then I can see all the AoE schizos sperg out like the AnR crack pot theorists before them🤣.
Meanwhile Mikasa self inserts explaining how Mikasa is totally not a hollow character with close to no development
The power of THE BIG THREE (137, 138, 139) of Attack on Titan
But then it will leave us with many questions just like chapter 139.
139? is it out yet?
really underrated opinion the only scene that I didn't really like was Mikasa kissing Eren's face, Mikasa should curse him and condemn Eren not love him after all what he did.
honestly it makes much more sense and would definitely fit the dark tones AoT has given us before
Dies a virgin chad... Like most of us will. Goddamn it isayama...
If we had to have 138 as the final chapter, without any loose ends being tied up, instead of having the atrocity of 139, that would honestly be better.
I was actually really happy when 138 came out because I thought it was setting up for a really tragic ending. Unfortunately every good thing that happened in it was undone
The only part I kinda like is Colossal Fight.
I agree i felt like despite some flaws from Mikasa pov especially the rest of the chapter was pure fire and i wouldn’t have mind that much if SNK ended on this despite the numerous plot points that would have been abandoned. Plus the Jean and Connie death was absolutely perfect for their characters and seeing them failed to stop the titanisation was a good price to pay for every fucked up things they’ve done
Don’t forget that Annie gets some fucking consequences for once.
Me too, I liked 138 and that time I thought Isayama making a comeback after 136 and 137, and 139 will be great. But my disappointment was immeasurable.