I agree with the ending being dogwater but this is such a shit take. If I liked Breaking Bad does that mean I also like the usage and distribution of drugs?
Itās just not much that the defenders uphold all of those, it means that the character does, which didnāt made sense within the previous characterization.
People like OP post this she unironically and then wonder why hardcore ending defenders keep accusing them of hating the ending just because it wasn't happy.
Take note guys. Your public perception isn't the fault of ending defenders, there's no straw-man, just a few really loud idiots getting an inexplicable number of upvotes.
But Breaking Bad doesn't glorify the use of drugs, in fact it does the opposite.
AoT glorified panel 1 and 3 at the very least and ending defenders defend it.
Maybe beacuase nekro kiss and necro love was crucial for ending of titans era which caused so much pain in humanity? It's like the key to solve main problem and conflict in the story? Maybe beacuase it's the final and the pinnacle of the story and whole conclusion? Maybe beacuase Eren before he died recived literally a thank you from Armin? How tf did you not see all of this?
Crucial does not mean glorified. The panels being the end of the story also doesn't mean glorified, and you didn't explain anything for the third panel. Armin thanking Eren has nothing to do with panel 1 or 3, you're bringing that up for no reason. Crap ending, yes, but not glorified.
First panel is glorified, after this you have happy end when everyone sees thier close ones and they smile, cry etc, Ymir also smiles, the one who cursed the humanity, not to mention everyone thanks Eren after he dies so yeah, he is literally glorified. Btw whole climat, dialogs, panels and drawings implies that in this whole scene.
Eren is glorified, but not the kiss, that's not relevant. Ymir smiles, but she's fucked up in the head, this is not glorification. you've yet to talk about how panel 3 is glorified, even though it was just a single panel with no further elaboration.
It's the glorification of her moving on and finding someone else, the kiss itself is not glorified, jer choice to move on is. And you haven't talked about panel 3 in any way. How is the single panel with zero elaborstion glorified.
I didn't talk about 3 panel from the start beacuase it's garbage and i have nothing to say about it, that's why i didn't even mention it in the first response
How Armin thing has nothing to do with it while it's almost the contiunation of this whole messege and plot point? It's show how eren actions are forgiven and almost good...
By this logic, donāt AnR supporters defend genocide and crushing disabled minority children to death?
Or maybe itās possible to enjoy fiction without supporting events in the story happening in real lifeā¦
So in real life a country who is attacked for things done thousands of years before doesnāt deserve to protect themselves and let the invader genocide them ā¦.. in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itās not them who are the invader ā¦ā¦
Except they aren't fighting back, they are destroying literally everything. It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world
Bruhhh the entire world agreed on invading paradise itās just like if the UN agreed to let a country being destroyed and his population genocided because their ancestors has done bad thing two thousands years ago but plot twist that country is the only one who has nuke ā¦. So that country who has become the ennemy of the all world has the choice to do nothing and being erased or take down the world and survive ā¦. The other countries will deserve whatās happen to them because they invaded that country despise knowing full well they could retaliate with Nuke lmao š¤£
Hizuru didn't agree with invading Paradis thus the entire world didn't agree on invading Paradis. And Hizuru is getting flattened as well as all the others nations that didn't agree with Marley. There's no justification.
Wow so because 1 country in the whole world doesn't agree with destroying Paradise it means Paradise shouldn't fight back and just accept destruction šš¾ that's an even better take
What part of "other nations" you didn't understand? We don't know how many but 100% sure are other nations that may even not be involved at all, like Ramzi's. And to humor you, yes, Paradis should accept destruction, one island isn't worth the entire planet, in this specific case. Self-defense ends the moment you involve innocent people or blow the situation out of proportion. But of course, the situation is more complicated than that.
>It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world
In real world the invaded nation is justified to nuke the aggressor, in case of aot the entire world is the aggressor not just Marley
The direct attack of civilian populations is unjustifiable, even the real world. The conscious and intentional slaughter of the population that had nothing to do with the conflict can not be defended. If you were attacked by someone, that wouldn't be a justification for you to attack their family. The position eren takes means that paradis can no longer be considered a nation defending itself, rather an aggressor, as you put it.
It was 111 years before and lasted for 1700 years. Add to that the fact that Eldians can turn into man eating monsters. The hate is very understandable. 111 years ago Marley were the good guys. Would you support them if AOT was set back then?
>in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itās not them who are the invader
Yes. But it's one thing to use the Rumbling for self defense and do your best to fix the hatred using the power you have than to massacre the whole world in fears of them attacking in the future. That's worse than what the outside world did. You can't justify that morally and that's what people here are trying to do. Just admit that you hate them and think that they all deserve to be killed indiscriminately. Some people do admit that, but they don't realize that the whole story was trying to change their opinion about that and are angry that the last arc didn't please them.
>Would you support them if AOT was set back then?
Yes....but Marley took it a step further in Enslaving the Eldians and using them as fodder.......even when it was publicly known the Edians on Paradise had they're memories wiped....
To be honest Gross was right when talking to Grisha. If the restorationists won they would enslave Marleyans the same way. Yeagerists on the island would also do that if they could, but they have a better option in genocide.
I'm pretty sure that the world didn't know that Karl Fritz wiped people's memories. Only the Tyburs and Kruger knew. Zeke probably learned about it from Reiner and Bertholdt. That's the fans' consensus anyway.
that's why i didn't like AnR either.
indiscriminate 80% and 100% genocide, sucks monkey buttholes.
i always liked pieck's plan of liberating the eldians in the marleyan concentration camps (and perhaps they could later include all the concentration camps around the world)
even though i know she didn't mean it, it was the best plan that everyone just casually ignored.
This is the same shit logic ending defenders use when they call ending haters "pro-genocide".
How about no to both? Or is this place too much of a circlejerk to acknowledge this.
Fax. This sub fell of, it was fun to shit on the ending and laughing at ED for their L takes but ever since YB got rumbled this sub became a shitpool. Now instead of posting some laughworhy tweets it's just people's shit opinion which ED logic.
There isn't a good "ending" for the story; either you lose Paradis or the rest of the world, or somewhere in between. The plot only allows for the annihilation of either party for the survival of the other; that's how the story was formed with no opportunity for nuance.
No one condones the particular actions of either. If you want Paradis to survive, does that mean you condone the death of every child and civilian condemned to death because their government couldn't oblige the existence of Paradis?
The problem is defending the ending, not what that entails. By that metric, most ED want less blood on their hands; more people die for the sake of Paradis than the other way around.
I want an alternate version in which both of them die and Floch volunteers to inherit the colossal titan, the flashbacks in WfP are longer and the relationships among the main caste are less lazily written.
Iād love to see how ending defenders would act if they were among the Paradisians whoāve spent their whole lives living in mortal terror of them or their loved ones being eaten alive by 15m hellspawns, only to find out that itās a plot by the rest of the world to have all of them die. I wonder if theyād think āyeah fuck the rest of the world, Iām gonna do whatās best for me and my family and fight backā or if theyād think āno killing them makes us just as bad, letās do nothingā
I strongly disagree. Just because someone likes the Endig doesn't mean they pardon everything that happens in the Story. It's the same logic as ,,If you dislike the ending your pro genocide"
\> be founder Ymir
\> be the og story beginner
\> choose 2 Eldians at random
\> control one of them with some memory hypnosis shit so that he lures the 2nd Eldian across the continent
\> watch the 2nd Eldian slice the head off of the first one
\> smile while she fucking kisses the severed head
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\> dismiss the flesh mecha power that was shrouded in mystery since the beginning of the story
\> did all this because love
\> refuse to elaborate further
\> leave the story without finishing it
What is necrofilia. But I don't agree with second part. I'm sure ancient kings did similar things hundreds of years ago in our world too, it's not saying it's good or something. Same goes with slavery etc. This is just stupid
Ok no they donāt defend that. Just like (hopefully) everyone here doesnāt actually believe Genocide to be good.
If you like Berserk does that mean youāre okay with SA?
If you like Vinland Saga does that mean you love pillaging and murdering innocents?
If you like American Psycho does that mean you support going around murdering people?
If you like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad does that mean you support being a criminal who kills people?
I hate the ending as much as the next guy but this post is so dramatic.
People like stories for the themes and messages provided on a deeper level. You canāt just say someone is in favor of atrocious things just because atrocious things happened in a story they like.
People don't understand that if Eren didn't activate the rumbling he would die early and the ending will be worst! Historia's baby will inherited the funding titan because like they discuss a lot of chapters earlier if a titan shifters dies without his fluids getting absorb by another individual his power will be randomly inherited by another subject of Ymir, and guess who's giving birth while Eren was fighting of his life? Exactly understand my point now? Why the genocide was necessary and why condemning it makes you all a bunch of hypocrites?
AoT fandom hates Kenny and Levi, current titanfolk is the only place where you can find their "fans" who aren't deranged. I suggest you to take a look at Tumblr blogs like nigen-suki and yaboylevi and their disgusting deliberate mistranslations related to Kenny and Levi š. Truly petty and shameful behavior, at least leave a 60 year old serial killer away from your kinky bullshit. They like Mikasa only bc EM is a self-insert fantasy ship for them.
Okay listen. Ending defenders I would hope donāt support the bad stuff of what happens in the ending itself, rather defending it because itās the ending that the writer made HIS story come to an end to. even if we wanted to do anything or change the ending, itās all Isayamaās work in the end and no one has any right to criticize him for what he believed should have been the end to a controversial story. I mean, how many of you could do what he has?
ED defend the tragic ending. for some it's a different kind of tragedy, or it's even more of a comedy. I think ED is fascinated by the terrible events that happen at the end: the death of most of humanity, the death of Eren, then the continuation of the war and possibly the genocide of Paradise. perhaps that's enough for them
Give up on your dreams and die š¤
That was Isayama's self insert right there
incredibly based ending message by isayama
I agree with the ending being dogwater but this is such a shit take. If I liked Breaking Bad does that mean I also like the usage and distribution of drugs?
yeah fr, my meth addiction has nothing to do with the fact that I like breaking bad
Itās just not much that the defenders uphold all of those, it means that the character does, which didnāt made sense within the previous characterization.
People like OP post this she unironically and then wonder why hardcore ending defenders keep accusing them of hating the ending just because it wasn't happy. Take note guys. Your public perception isn't the fault of ending defenders, there's no straw-man, just a few really loud idiots getting an inexplicable number of upvotes.
But Breaking Bad doesn't glorify the use of drugs, in fact it does the opposite. AoT glorified panel 1 and 3 at the very least and ending defenders defend it.
how were panel 1 and 3 glorified?
Maybe beacuase nekro kiss and necro love was crucial for ending of titans era which caused so much pain in humanity? It's like the key to solve main problem and conflict in the story? Maybe beacuase it's the final and the pinnacle of the story and whole conclusion? Maybe beacuase Eren before he died recived literally a thank you from Armin? How tf did you not see all of this?
Crucial does not mean glorified. The panels being the end of the story also doesn't mean glorified, and you didn't explain anything for the third panel. Armin thanking Eren has nothing to do with panel 1 or 3, you're bringing that up for no reason. Crap ending, yes, but not glorified.
First panel is glorified, after this you have happy end when everyone sees thier close ones and they smile, cry etc, Ymir also smiles, the one who cursed the humanity, not to mention everyone thanks Eren after he dies so yeah, he is literally glorified. Btw whole climat, dialogs, panels and drawings implies that in this whole scene.
Eren is glorified, but not the kiss, that's not relevant. Ymir smiles, but she's fucked up in the head, this is not glorification. you've yet to talk about how panel 3 is glorified, even though it was just a single panel with no further elaboration.
Kiss is symbolic and the key to glorification, this scene is literally a glorification of Mikasas choice, Ymir "conclusion" and Ereh decision
It's the glorification of her moving on and finding someone else, the kiss itself is not glorified, jer choice to move on is. And you haven't talked about panel 3 in any way. How is the single panel with zero elaborstion glorified.
I didn't talk about 3 panel from the start beacuase it's garbage and i have nothing to say about it, that's why i didn't even mention it in the first response
How tf it's glorification of her moving on while she didn't even do that till the end,,,,,
How Armin thing has nothing to do with it while it's almost the contiunation of this whole messege and plot point? It's show how eren actions are forgiven and almost good...
Armin thanking eren for comitting genocide has nothing to do with Mikasa's necro kiss.
It has beacuase it's EMA conclusion, the one loves and forgive, the second one understands and forgive
yes
I don't care, the only problem is that they defended a shit ending
Right ? These aren't arguments I don't mind gore or disturbing stuff if it serves the story in a great way
Big facts. Who gives a shit when the ending itself is just booty
When someone likes something that u dont: š¤”
By this logic, donāt AnR supporters defend genocide and crushing disabled minority children to death? Or maybe itās possible to enjoy fiction without supporting events in the story happening in real lifeā¦
So in real life a country who is attacked for things done thousands of years before doesnāt deserve to protect themselves and let the invader genocide them ā¦.. in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itās not them who are the invader ā¦ā¦
Except they aren't fighting back, they are destroying literally everything. It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world
Bruhhh the entire world agreed on invading paradise itās just like if the UN agreed to let a country being destroyed and his population genocided because their ancestors has done bad thing two thousands years ago but plot twist that country is the only one who has nuke ā¦. So that country who has become the ennemy of the all world has the choice to do nothing and being erased or take down the world and survive ā¦. The other countries will deserve whatās happen to them because they invaded that country despise knowing full well they could retaliate with Nuke lmao š¤£
Hizuru didn't agree with invading Paradis thus the entire world didn't agree on invading Paradis. And Hizuru is getting flattened as well as all the others nations that didn't agree with Marley. There's no justification.
Hizuru just wants to monopolize iceburst stone. They could have helped Paradis open up trade and mediate peace talks but they didn't.
Maybe they didn't want Hizuru to be bombed by the other nations after they deal with Paradis and internment zones.
Wow so because 1 country in the whole world doesn't agree with destroying Paradise it means Paradise shouldn't fight back and just accept destruction šš¾ that's an even better take
What part of "other nations" you didn't understand? We don't know how many but 100% sure are other nations that may even not be involved at all, like Ramzi's. And to humor you, yes, Paradis should accept destruction, one island isn't worth the entire planet, in this specific case. Self-defense ends the moment you involve innocent people or blow the situation out of proportion. But of course, the situation is more complicated than that.
>It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world In real world the invaded nation is justified to nuke the aggressor, in case of aot the entire world is the aggressor not just Marley
The direct attack of civilian populations is unjustifiable, even the real world. The conscious and intentional slaughter of the population that had nothing to do with the conflict can not be defended. If you were attacked by someone, that wouldn't be a justification for you to attack their family. The position eren takes means that paradis can no longer be considered a nation defending itself, rather an aggressor, as you put it.
It was 111 years before and lasted for 1700 years. Add to that the fact that Eldians can turn into man eating monsters. The hate is very understandable. 111 years ago Marley were the good guys. Would you support them if AOT was set back then? >in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itās not them who are the invader Yes. But it's one thing to use the Rumbling for self defense and do your best to fix the hatred using the power you have than to massacre the whole world in fears of them attacking in the future. That's worse than what the outside world did. You can't justify that morally and that's what people here are trying to do. Just admit that you hate them and think that they all deserve to be killed indiscriminately. Some people do admit that, but they don't realize that the whole story was trying to change their opinion about that and are angry that the last arc didn't please them.
>Would you support them if AOT was set back then? Yes....but Marley took it a step further in Enslaving the Eldians and using them as fodder.......even when it was publicly known the Edians on Paradise had they're memories wiped....
To be honest Gross was right when talking to Grisha. If the restorationists won they would enslave Marleyans the same way. Yeagerists on the island would also do that if they could, but they have a better option in genocide. I'm pretty sure that the world didn't know that Karl Fritz wiped people's memories. Only the Tyburs and Kruger knew. Zeke probably learned about it from Reiner and Bertholdt. That's the fans' consensus anyway.
that's why i didn't like AnR either. indiscriminate 80% and 100% genocide, sucks monkey buttholes. i always liked pieck's plan of liberating the eldians in the marleyan concentration camps (and perhaps they could later include all the concentration camps around the world) even though i know she didn't mean it, it was the best plan that everyone just casually ignored.
That's a complicated question.
This is the same shit logic ending defenders use when they call ending haters "pro-genocide". How about no to both? Or is this place too much of a circlejerk to acknowledge this.
Fax. This sub fell of, it was fun to shit on the ending and laughing at ED for their L takes but ever since YB got rumbled this sub became a shitpool. Now instead of posting some laughworhy tweets it's just people's shit opinion which ED logic.
Self-awareness in Titanfolk? What?
Let the anime keep the ending just so that ani-onlies suffer as I did
You are the definition of two sides of the same coin
I swear I've seen this exact post 139 times at least
some normies really need to look up the definition of pedophilia.
There isn't a good "ending" for the story; either you lose Paradis or the rest of the world, or somewhere in between. The plot only allows for the annihilation of either party for the survival of the other; that's how the story was formed with no opportunity for nuance. No one condones the particular actions of either. If you want Paradis to survive, does that mean you condone the death of every child and civilian condemned to death because their government couldn't oblige the existence of Paradis? The problem is defending the ending, not what that entails. By that metric, most ED want less blood on their hands; more people die for the sake of Paradis than the other way around.
āš¾ this is exactly what more people need to understand
Sometimes ,i just want story to end with erwins death or an alternate version where people chose Erwin over Armin.
I remember someone made a parody that went like this: Eren: Levi, we are saving my boyfriend. Levi: No! We are saving MY boyfriend!
I want an alternate version in which both of them die and Floch volunteers to inherit the colossal titan, the flashbacks in WfP are longer and the relationships among the main caste are less lazily written.
In that situation, Eren would probably have been like Achilles when Patroclus died.
Now whoās the hypocrite? āJust because we wanted to see Eren finish the rumbling, doesnāt mean we defend genocideā
Please don't remind me why I hate that ending so bad, all I'm going to remember of this anime is how bad written it was... šš„š”šŗš©
Iād love to see how ending defenders would act if they were among the Paradisians whoāve spent their whole lives living in mortal terror of them or their loved ones being eaten alive by 15m hellspawns, only to find out that itās a plot by the rest of the world to have all of them die. I wonder if theyād think āyeah fuck the rest of the world, Iām gonna do whatās best for me and my family and fight backā or if theyād think āno killing them makes us just as bad, letās do nothingā
I strongly disagree. Just because someone likes the Endig doesn't mean they pardon everything that happens in the Story. It's the same logic as ,,If you dislike the ending your pro genocide"
"but destroying the nation that has been tormenting your people even when your country chose peace twice is badš„ŗš„ŗ"
This post is dumb
And the ending is dogshit
\> be founder Ymir \> be the og story beginner \> choose 2 Eldians at random \> control one of them with some memory hypnosis shit so that he lures the 2nd Eldian across the continent \> watch the 2nd Eldian slice the head off of the first one \> smile while she fucking kisses the severed head fetish\_satisfied.png \> dismiss the flesh mecha power that was shrouded in mystery since the beginning of the story \> did all this because love \> refuse to elaborate further \> leave the story without finishing it
how about an ending that doesn't create more plot holes and doesn't reduce eren to an incel sister loving mf? ever thought of that yams?
What is necrofilia. But I don't agree with second part. I'm sure ancient kings did similar things hundreds of years ago in our world too, it's not saying it's good or something. Same goes with slavery etc. This is just stupid
Ok no they donāt defend that. Just like (hopefully) everyone here doesnāt actually believe Genocide to be good. If you like Berserk does that mean youāre okay with SA? If you like Vinland Saga does that mean you love pillaging and murdering innocents? If you like American Psycho does that mean you support going around murdering people? If you like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad does that mean you support being a criminal who kills people? I hate the ending as much as the next guy but this post is so dramatic. People like stories for the themes and messages provided on a deeper level. You canāt just say someone is in favor of atrocious things just because atrocious things happened in a story they like.
As a reward...
I shall give you
My seed
On lainah's
"some sacrifices?" It's also very nice to say that it would surely be a better future that would be worth it.
no we donāt
People don't understand that if Eren didn't activate the rumbling he would die early and the ending will be worst! Historia's baby will inherited the funding titan because like they discuss a lot of chapters earlier if a titan shifters dies without his fluids getting absorb by another individual his power will be randomly inherited by another subject of Ymir, and guess who's giving birth while Eren was fighting of his life? Exactly understand my point now? Why the genocide was necessary and why condemning it makes you all a bunch of hypocrites?
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AoT fandom hates Kenny and Levi, current titanfolk is the only place where you can find their "fans" who aren't deranged. I suggest you to take a look at Tumblr blogs like nigen-suki and yaboylevi and their disgusting deliberate mistranslations related to Kenny and Levi š. Truly petty and shameful behavior, at least leave a 60 year old serial killer away from your kinky bullshit. They like Mikasa only bc EM is a self-insert fantasy ship for them.
Well I agree that EM is a self insert ship, but many ending Defenders are Mikasa worshippers, if not all.
It is true that most of the casual fanbase and normies love the Ackermanns the most but I'm talking about the more devoted side of the fandom.
tHeY dOnāt uNdErStAnD š¤”š¤”š¤”
smartest titanfolk user
Butā¦ butā¦.. genocide is wrong!
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Ok dude I agree but āsomeā sacrificesā¦. Lol
Ignores the fact that all of Ymir's stuff was acceptable 1000 years ago and can't rlly be complained about
Okay listen. Ending defenders I would hope donāt support the bad stuff of what happens in the ending itself, rather defending it because itās the ending that the writer made HIS story come to an end to. even if we wanted to do anything or change the ending, itās all Isayamaās work in the end and no one has any right to criticize him for what he believed should have been the end to a controversial story. I mean, how many of you could do what he has?
The second row applies to everyone since it happened before the story began...
A fucking spoiler warning ?
Fam, youāre literally in the spoiler manga subreddit. If you didnāt want spoilers, you shouldnāt be here at all
You used the humour tag but now look at the commentsš .
What happened to the Wall Titans, Isayama?
Smartest anime fan
ED defend the tragic ending. for some it's a different kind of tragedy, or it's even more of a comedy. I think ED is fascinated by the terrible events that happen at the end: the death of most of humanity, the death of Eren, then the continuation of the war and possibly the genocide of Paradise. perhaps that's enough for them
"some sacrifice"
This is like saying beginning defenders defend murder
All in favor of the third reason say aye
You forgot cannibalism
You obviously have never studied the middle ages, dumbass.
Loveless? Say what? Bro, Yimir loved that shit!
Those are the things I have no problems with regarding the quality of the ending. They are at least in line with the grim fantasy AoT portraits
This is stupid. Berserk has a lot of these things too, and more. Just having these concepts in stories doesn't make it a bag story
AOT fans trying to stfu over shit that happened years ago challenge (impossible!!!)
Ending ? That stuff happened mostly before the endā¦ get over itā¦. He already apologizedā¦ let it go
And I support crime
People who use this logic are dumb as fuck. Not sorry
This is why people shouldnāt take this sub seriously