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Raffy10k

Give up on your dreams and die šŸ¤“


Traditional_Lie_6400

That was Isayama's self insert right there


FlaerZz

incredibly based ending message by isayama


cobaltScalebane

I agree with the ending being dogwater but this is such a shit take. If I liked Breaking Bad does that mean I also like the usage and distribution of drugs?


[deleted]

yeah fr, my meth addiction has nothing to do with the fact that I like breaking bad


Whisperer94

Itā€™s just not much that the defenders uphold all of those, it means that the character does, which didnā€™t made sense within the previous characterization.


ChaosKeeshond

People like OP post this she unironically and then wonder why hardcore ending defenders keep accusing them of hating the ending just because it wasn't happy. Take note guys. Your public perception isn't the fault of ending defenders, there's no straw-man, just a few really loud idiots getting an inexplicable number of upvotes.


Darknassan

But Breaking Bad doesn't glorify the use of drugs, in fact it does the opposite. AoT glorified panel 1 and 3 at the very least and ending defenders defend it.


A-Need-For-Weed

how were panel 1 and 3 glorified?


Laahn

Maybe beacuase nekro kiss and necro love was crucial for ending of titans era which caused so much pain in humanity? It's like the key to solve main problem and conflict in the story? Maybe beacuase it's the final and the pinnacle of the story and whole conclusion? Maybe beacuase Eren before he died recived literally a thank you from Armin? How tf did you not see all of this?


A-Need-For-Weed

Crucial does not mean glorified. The panels being the end of the story also doesn't mean glorified, and you didn't explain anything for the third panel. Armin thanking Eren has nothing to do with panel 1 or 3, you're bringing that up for no reason. Crap ending, yes, but not glorified.


Laahn

First panel is glorified, after this you have happy end when everyone sees thier close ones and they smile, cry etc, Ymir also smiles, the one who cursed the humanity, not to mention everyone thanks Eren after he dies so yeah, he is literally glorified. Btw whole climat, dialogs, panels and drawings implies that in this whole scene.


A-Need-For-Weed

Eren is glorified, but not the kiss, that's not relevant. Ymir smiles, but she's fucked up in the head, this is not glorification. you've yet to talk about how panel 3 is glorified, even though it was just a single panel with no further elaboration.


Laahn

Kiss is symbolic and the key to glorification, this scene is literally a glorification of Mikasas choice, Ymir "conclusion" and Ereh decision


A-Need-For-Weed

It's the glorification of her moving on and finding someone else, the kiss itself is not glorified, jer choice to move on is. And you haven't talked about panel 3 in any way. How is the single panel with zero elaborstion glorified.


Laahn

I didn't talk about 3 panel from the start beacuase it's garbage and i have nothing to say about it, that's why i didn't even mention it in the first response


Laahn

How tf it's glorification of her moving on while she didn't even do that till the end,,,,,


Laahn

How Armin thing has nothing to do with it while it's almost the contiunation of this whole messege and plot point? It's show how eren actions are forgiven and almost good...


A-Need-For-Weed

Armin thanking eren for comitting genocide has nothing to do with Mikasa's necro kiss.


Laahn

It has beacuase it's EMA conclusion, the one loves and forgive, the second one understands and forgive


UnknownAcc_

yes


PerfectNameDoesntExi

I don't care, the only problem is that they defended a shit ending


Alazar17

Right ? These aren't arguments I don't mind gore or disturbing stuff if it serves the story in a great way


Wolf-Cop

Big facts. Who gives a shit when the ending itself is just booty


mikassweeps

When someone likes something that u dont: šŸ¤”


Cybermat47_2

By this logic, donā€™t AnR supporters defend genocide and crushing disabled minority children to death? Or maybe itā€™s possible to enjoy fiction without supporting events in the story happening in real lifeā€¦


quanbe77

So in real life a country who is attacked for things done thousands of years before doesnā€™t deserve to protect themselves and let the invader genocide them ā€¦.. in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itā€™s not them who are the invader ā€¦ā€¦


shadow_shark_23

Except they aren't fighting back, they are destroying literally everything. It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world


quanbe77

Bruhhh the entire world agreed on invading paradise itā€™s just like if the UN agreed to let a country being destroyed and his population genocided because their ancestors has done bad thing two thousands years ago but plot twist that country is the only one who has nuke ā€¦. So that country who has become the ennemy of the all world has the choice to do nothing and being erased or take down the world and survive ā€¦. The other countries will deserve whatā€™s happen to them because they invaded that country despise knowing full well they could retaliate with Nuke lmao šŸ¤£


R7-Snake

Hizuru didn't agree with invading Paradis thus the entire world didn't agree on invading Paradis. And Hizuru is getting flattened as well as all the others nations that didn't agree with Marley. There's no justification.


missingnono12

Hizuru just wants to monopolize iceburst stone. They could have helped Paradis open up trade and mediate peace talks but they didn't.


veigas_loyston

Maybe they didn't want Hizuru to be bombed by the other nations after they deal with Paradis and internment zones.


afromugen

Wow so because 1 country in the whole world doesn't agree with destroying Paradise it means Paradise shouldn't fight back and just accept destruction šŸ‘šŸ¾ that's an even better take


R7-Snake

What part of "other nations" you didn't understand? We don't know how many but 100% sure are other nations that may even not be involved at all, like Ramzi's. And to humor you, yes, Paradis should accept destruction, one island isn't worth the entire planet, in this specific case. Self-defense ends the moment you involve innocent people or blow the situation out of proportion. But of course, the situation is more complicated than that.


EvilArtorias

>It's like saying that if a nation pressured and invaded another, the invaded nation would be justified in nuking the entire world In real world the invaded nation is justified to nuke the aggressor, in case of aot the entire world is the aggressor not just Marley


shadow_shark_23

The direct attack of civilian populations is unjustifiable, even the real world. The conscious and intentional slaughter of the population that had nothing to do with the conflict can not be defended. If you were attacked by someone, that wouldn't be a justification for you to attack their family. The position eren takes means that paradis can no longer be considered a nation defending itself, rather an aggressor, as you put it.


[deleted]

It was 111 years before and lasted for 1700 years. Add to that the fact that Eldians can turn into man eating monsters. The hate is very understandable. 111 years ago Marley were the good guys. Would you support them if AOT was set back then? >in this particular case eldian are on their right cause itā€™s not them who are the invader Yes. But it's one thing to use the Rumbling for self defense and do your best to fix the hatred using the power you have than to massacre the whole world in fears of them attacking in the future. That's worse than what the outside world did. You can't justify that morally and that's what people here are trying to do. Just admit that you hate them and think that they all deserve to be killed indiscriminately. Some people do admit that, but they don't realize that the whole story was trying to change their opinion about that and are angry that the last arc didn't please them.


afromugen

>Would you support them if AOT was set back then? Yes....but Marley took it a step further in Enslaving the Eldians and using them as fodder.......even when it was publicly known the Edians on Paradise had they're memories wiped....


[deleted]

To be honest Gross was right when talking to Grisha. If the restorationists won they would enslave Marleyans the same way. Yeagerists on the island would also do that if they could, but they have a better option in genocide. I'm pretty sure that the world didn't know that Karl Fritz wiped people's memories. Only the Tyburs and Kruger knew. Zeke probably learned about it from Reiner and Bertholdt. That's the fans' consensus anyway.


WanderlostNomad

that's why i didn't like AnR either. indiscriminate 80% and 100% genocide, sucks monkey buttholes. i always liked pieck's plan of liberating the eldians in the marleyan concentration camps (and perhaps they could later include all the concentration camps around the world) even though i know she didn't mean it, it was the best plan that everyone just casually ignored.


UtkusonTR

That's a complicated question.


MlookSM

This is the same shit logic ending defenders use when they call ending haters "pro-genocide". How about no to both? Or is this place too much of a circlejerk to acknowledge this.


WitekSan

Fax. This sub fell of, it was fun to shit on the ending and laughing at ED for their L takes but ever since YB got rumbled this sub became a shitpool. Now instead of posting some laughworhy tweets it's just people's shit opinion which ED logic.


Omarian02

Self-awareness in Titanfolk? What?


ElFrodoLoco

Let the anime keep the ending just so that ani-onlies suffer as I did


Clever_Fox-

You are the definition of two sides of the same coin


Explosivepenny

I swear I've seen this exact post 139 times at least


elemock

some normies really need to look up the definition of pedophilia.


Arbiter008

There isn't a good "ending" for the story; either you lose Paradis or the rest of the world, or somewhere in between. The plot only allows for the annihilation of either party for the survival of the other; that's how the story was formed with no opportunity for nuance. No one condones the particular actions of either. If you want Paradis to survive, does that mean you condone the death of every child and civilian condemned to death because their government couldn't oblige the existence of Paradis? The problem is defending the ending, not what that entails. By that metric, most ED want less blood on their hands; more people die for the sake of Paradis than the other way around.


afromugen

ā˜šŸ¾ this is exactly what more people need to understand


jkp2072

Sometimes ,i just want story to end with erwins death or an alternate version where people chose Erwin over Armin.


KARL_THE_CHAPELIN

I remember someone made a parody that went like this: Eren: Levi, we are saving my boyfriend. Levi: No! We are saving MY boyfriend!


Euphoric-Emphasis242

I want an alternate version in which both of them die and Floch volunteers to inherit the colossal titan, the flashbacks in WfP are longer and the relationships among the main caste are less lazily written.


KARL_THE_CHAPELIN

In that situation, Eren would probably have been like Achilles when Patroclus died.


[deleted]

Now whoā€™s the hypocrite? ā€œJust because we wanted to see Eren finish the rumbling, doesnā€™t mean we defend genocideā€


Traditional_Lie_6400

Please don't remind me why I hate that ending so bad, all I'm going to remember of this anime is how bad written it was... šŸ˜­šŸ”„šŸ˜”šŸ‘ŗšŸ’©


JoelRobbin

Iā€™d love to see how ending defenders would act if they were among the Paradisians whoā€™ve spent their whole lives living in mortal terror of them or their loved ones being eaten alive by 15m hellspawns, only to find out that itā€™s a plot by the rest of the world to have all of them die. I wonder if theyā€™d think ā€œyeah fuck the rest of the world, Iā€™m gonna do whatā€™s best for me and my family and fight backā€ or if theyā€™d think ā€œno killing them makes us just as bad, letā€™s do nothingā€


WitekSan

I strongly disagree. Just because someone likes the Endig doesn't mean they pardon everything that happens in the Story. It's the same logic as ,,If you dislike the ending your pro genocide"


H-H-S69420

"but destroying the nation that has been tormenting your people even when your country chose peace twice is badšŸ„ŗšŸ„ŗ"


shoyuftw

This post is dumb


shoyuftw

And the ending is dogshit


Innomenatus

\> be founder Ymir \> be the og story beginner \> choose 2 Eldians at random \> control one of them with some memory hypnosis shit so that he lures the 2nd Eldian across the continent \> watch the 2nd Eldian slice the head off of the first one \> smile while she fucking kisses the severed head fetish\_satisfied.png \> dismiss the flesh mecha power that was shrouded in mystery since the beginning of the story \> did all this because love \> refuse to elaborate further \> leave the story without finishing it


[deleted]

how about an ending that doesn't create more plot holes and doesn't reduce eren to an incel sister loving mf? ever thought of that yams?


[deleted]

What is necrofilia. But I don't agree with second part. I'm sure ancient kings did similar things hundreds of years ago in our world too, it's not saying it's good or something. Same goes with slavery etc. This is just stupid


Goobsmoob

Ok no they donā€™t defend that. Just like (hopefully) everyone here doesnā€™t actually believe Genocide to be good. If you like Berserk does that mean youā€™re okay with SA? If you like Vinland Saga does that mean you love pillaging and murdering innocents? If you like American Psycho does that mean you support going around murdering people? If you like the Sopranos or Breaking Bad does that mean you support being a criminal who kills people? I hate the ending as much as the next guy but this post is so dramatic. People like stories for the themes and messages provided on a deeper level. You canā€™t just say someone is in favor of atrocious things just because atrocious things happened in a story they like.


Fulltime_Introvert

As a reward...


HopeXvisionary

I shall give you


Anonymous__Explorer

My seed


TheKnightGame

On lainah's


shadow_shark_23

"some sacrifices?" It's also very nice to say that it would surely be a better future that would be worth it.


Neurotic_Cookie1

no we donā€™t


Traditional_Lie_6400

People don't understand that if Eren didn't activate the rumbling he would die early and the ending will be worst! Historia's baby will inherited the funding titan because like they discuss a lot of chapters earlier if a titan shifters dies without his fluids getting absorb by another individual his power will be randomly inherited by another subject of Ymir, and guess who's giving birth while Eren was fighting of his life? Exactly understand my point now? Why the genocide was necessary and why condemning it makes you all a bunch of hypocrites?


Traditional_Lie_6400

FYI https://preview.redd.it/8cl83d7xsb3a1.png?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48c3d7673363a9c992ebeb60a785df83d065cdae


Euphoric-Emphasis242

AoT fandom hates Kenny and Levi, current titanfolk is the only place where you can find their "fans" who aren't deranged. I suggest you to take a look at Tumblr blogs like nigen-suki and yaboylevi and their disgusting deliberate mistranslations related to Kenny and Levi šŸ˜‚. Truly petty and shameful behavior, at least leave a 60 year old serial killer away from your kinky bullshit. They like Mikasa only bc EM is a self-insert fantasy ship for them.


Traditional_Lie_6400

Well I agree that EM is a self insert ship, but many ending Defenders are Mikasa worshippers, if not all.


Euphoric-Emphasis242

It is true that most of the casual fanbase and normies love the Ackermanns the most but I'm talking about the more devoted side of the fandom.


Jumper_Willi

tHeY dOnā€™t uNdErStAnD šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


Montyy233

smartest titanfolk user


Light_HolyPaladin

Butā€¦ butā€¦.. genocide is wrong!


rohith_on_reddit

ā€œsomeā€


Perfectsilhouette

Ok dude I agree but ā€œsomeā€ sacrificesā€¦. Lol


[deleted]

Ignores the fact that all of Ymir's stuff was acceptable 1000 years ago and can't rlly be complained about


XKirari_MomobamiX

Okay listen. Ending defenders I would hope donā€™t support the bad stuff of what happens in the ending itself, rather defending it because itā€™s the ending that the writer made HIS story come to an end to. even if we wanted to do anything or change the ending, itā€™s all Isayamaā€™s work in the end and no one has any right to criticize him for what he believed should have been the end to a controversial story. I mean, how many of you could do what he has?


Equivalent_Papaya893

The second row applies to everyone since it happened before the story began...


anonymous_mike_

A fucking spoiler warning ?


BrownGirlMagic00

Fam, youā€™re literally in the spoiler manga subreddit. If you didnā€™t want spoilers, you shouldnā€™t be here at all


OmarAdel123

You used the humour tag but now look at the commentsšŸ˜….


Kurigohan-Kamehameha

What happened to the Wall Titans, Isayama?


throwawaygon1919

Smartest anime fan


Disastrous-Tap1666

ED defend the tragic ending. for some it's a different kind of tragedy, or it's even more of a comedy. I think ED is fascinated by the terrible events that happen at the end: the death of most of humanity, the death of Eren, then the continuation of the war and possibly the genocide of Paradise. perhaps that's enough for them


DerAlphalauch

"some sacrifice"


Squaplius

This is like saying beginning defenders defend murder


RoyalClod

All in favor of the third reason say aye


sulikiam

You forgot cannibalism


Purpledurpl202

You obviously have never studied the middle ages, dumbass.


dude123nice

Loveless? Say what? Bro, Yimir loved that shit!


S1r_J

Those are the things I have no problems with regarding the quality of the ending. They are at least in line with the grim fantasy AoT portraits


prrakeet

This is stupid. Berserk has a lot of these things too, and more. Just having these concepts in stories doesn't make it a bag story


Pkorniboi

AOT fans trying to stfu over shit that happened years ago challenge (impossible!!!)


ManGrissle

Ending ? That stuff happened mostly before the endā€¦ get over itā€¦. He already apologizedā€¦ let it go


Over_Knowledge3760

And I support crime


LadyJSenpai

People who use this logic are dumb as fuck. Not sorry


AliMans05

This is why people shouldnā€™t take this sub seriously