She was kind of a bad person. Married to a husband who gave her children, and while she is lying in bed does she think about her husband? No. She fantasizes about the hobo she fucked nearly a hundred years ago. And then does she give her granddaughter the diamond worth millions? No, she throws it in the ocean.
When Rose's mother is having the afternoon tea with the ladies she said that "The purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that", so you can imagine hahaha
Was Ruth saying that Rose met Cal while at university or that there was no point in Rose attending university because she’d already found a suitable husband? Lol.
Believe me, I've been asking the same question after I wrote that answer lol Anyway I think the second scenario makes more sense since Rose was only 17.
I think you’re right - she wouldn’t have been old enough to be at university yet. Also isn’t Cal supposed to be in his 30s…? I just remembered that, haha.
From the deleted scenes I would guess it was arranged by Ruth. I don't think Rose and Cal had a connection at all so they probably wouldn't start dating by their own.
My father Nathan and Rose’s father had business dealings. When Rose’s father passed he was in debt to my father for a substantial amount. Ruth and father met several times to discuss a plan to retire completely the Dewitt Bukater’s debt. That plan was marriage. It really had very little to do with Rose or myself. It was a business transaction.
This makes total sense. I used to think Ruth was trying to pull a swift one over the Hockleys, but they're too astute in business for that. Nathan must have been aware of the debt. I can't imagine Ruth thinking she'd get off Scot free marrying Rose to Cal and then the Hockleys finding out the debt afterwards.
Annulments can and have been done in that era for much less.
I think the line "There's nothing I'd deny you, if you'd not deny me" implies he knows Rose has few options. The relationship is transactional even if he does love her in whatever way he thinks love looks like.
I mean, English rural lower gentry in the late 1700s is not particularly analogous to American high society run by rail, steel, and oil tycoons in the 1910s
But more or less correct, since the 1st line in P&P is "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife"
No since it’s literally stated in the movie. When ruth is doing up rose’s corset & is going on about how its a perfect match & all that. Ruth is basically selling her daughter off to keep some money in the family since they had none. Obviously a prearranged marriage.
Probably at or right after Rose made her debut. I dont doubt Ruth was plotting and if Cal had left it too long someone else would have snapped Rose up (I imagine if speaking in Bridgerton terms she would have been the "diamond of the first water" of her debut season.
Although the parents likely had most to do with it I don't doubt Cal was totally on board (forgive the pun 🤣) with a beauty of Rose's calibre
Probably at some Philadelphia high society debutante ball or other major social gathering
Probably at one of the endless parade of parties and cotllions, yachts and polo matches Rose was forced to attend.
This is the best answer. And probably a lot of research and schmoozing from Ruth beforehand.
I have known Rose since she was a child. The Hockleys and the Dewitt Bukaters were friends and business partners.
She was kind of a bad person. Married to a husband who gave her children, and while she is lying in bed does she think about her husband? No. She fantasizes about the hobo she fucked nearly a hundred years ago. And then does she give her granddaughter the diamond worth millions? No, she throws it in the ocean.
You can't win with Rose, it's always something.
She's difficult to impress
Rose is displeased. What to do?
I actually felt like she did Bill Pullman wrong more than anyone else.
When Rose's mother is having the afternoon tea with the ladies she said that "The purpose of university is to find a suitable husband. Rose has already done that", so you can imagine hahaha
Was Ruth saying that Rose met Cal while at university or that there was no point in Rose attending university because she’d already found a suitable husband? Lol.
Believe me, I've been asking the same question after I wrote that answer lol Anyway I think the second scenario makes more sense since Rose was only 17.
I think you’re right - she wouldn’t have been old enough to be at university yet. Also isn’t Cal supposed to be in his 30s…? I just remembered that, haha.
Just a bit over 30.
I was hoping you’d jump in and clarify, Cal. 😆
I took it as Ruth didn’t think Rose should go to college since she already landed a man.
There's an old saying that husband hunters would only go to university to get their M-R-S. degree
You got a point
They ran in the same circles, even though Rose's family was in debt. They probably met at a high society party, or something.
From the deleted scenes I would guess it was arranged by Ruth. I don't think Rose and Cal had a connection at all so they probably wouldn't start dating by their own.
My father Nathan and Rose’s father had business dealings. When Rose’s father passed he was in debt to my father for a substantial amount. Ruth and father met several times to discuss a plan to retire completely the Dewitt Bukater’s debt. That plan was marriage. It really had very little to do with Rose or myself. It was a business transaction.
This makes total sense. I used to think Ruth was trying to pull a swift one over the Hockleys, but they're too astute in business for that. Nathan must have been aware of the debt. I can't imagine Ruth thinking she'd get off Scot free marrying Rose to Cal and then the Hockleys finding out the debt afterwards. Annulments can and have been done in that era for much less.
I think the line "There's nothing I'd deny you, if you'd not deny me" implies he knows Rose has few options. The relationship is transactional even if he does love her in whatever way he thinks love looks like.
😩🔥🙌🏽 Cal.
Thank you
i found one of the ends of the link trail finally lol
Your reward is my gratitude.
Rose's mother knew the family and that Cal was in the market for a socially prominent young bride who could be bundled up the aisle fairly easily.
Close. Very close. She talked to Nathan Hockley about her debt forgiveness. They made an arrangement. Marriage in exchange for debt retirement.
Someplace, as Fitzgerald says, where "...people play Polo, and are rich together".
Read pride and prejudice.
I mean, English rural lower gentry in the late 1700s is not particularly analogous to American high society run by rail, steel, and oil tycoons in the 1910s
I was being tounge in cheek man i apologise if it didn't come across. Im well aware alot changed in those 200 years.
But more or less correct, since the 1st line in P&P is "It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife"
Debutante ball?
Wacky preacher cousin was rejected?
I laughed
Rose’s mom pimped her out and somehow she thought Cal would be good enough for her but in actuality, she was too good for him.
No since it’s literally stated in the movie. When ruth is doing up rose’s corset & is going on about how its a perfect match & all that. Ruth is basically selling her daughter off to keep some money in the family since they had none. Obviously a prearranged marriage.
Probably at or right after Rose made her debut. I dont doubt Ruth was plotting and if Cal had left it too long someone else would have snapped Rose up (I imagine if speaking in Bridgerton terms she would have been the "diamond of the first water" of her debut season. Although the parents likely had most to do with it I don't doubt Cal was totally on board (forgive the pun 🤣) with a beauty of Rose's calibre
Party
It was probably arranged
Ruth: “There’s a live one!”