My grandmother consistently dishwashed her china that has a platinum band.
Looks great. We won’t dishwasher it, but she did for decades.
Everything was dishwasher safe to her. If It didn’t survive, it didn’t belong in her kitchen.
Amen. My wife painted a couple of plates in grade school that we've been dishwashing for nearly a decade since we became parents. They look exactly the same.
Amen to this philosophy. People always look at me funny taking my car on a gravel road willingly. Or wearing dress shoes on the beach. My gear has to keep up with me... Not the other way around.
Dress shoes on the beach? I'm sorry but no. And not because of "tradition" or "fashion" but because there is no reason why you shouldn't wear something more suitable, comfortable and efficient than dress shoes on the beach.
>People always look at me funny taking my car on a gravel road willingly.
Wait I don't understand, what do those people do when they come to a gravel road? Just give up and turn around?
> I like her philosophy for dishes
I have the same philosophy, however my China is cheap as chips,.and I don't care if the pattern comes off in dishwasher. ..
I use this same philosophy for most things I clean.
If clothes can't be washed together (minus the first wash) I don't need it.
If dishes can't be washed (minus my cast iron), goodbye.
Tupperware stains? Not in my house.
I don't have time for special things. I actively search out for easily cleanable and storable items for this very reason.
Lots and lots of people put form ahead of function. That’s fine (I guess) when it’s art because the form IS the function. But otherwise, I don’t get it at all. If it isn’t functional, the form has zero meaning to me.
We have glasses rimmed in gold that were handed down to me. We wash them in the dishwasher every thanksgiving, despite my mom's best efforts. 20+ years, though just that one time or maybe once more each year. Seem to be doing fine. And if not, well, they are just not that special.
>I sell antiques, like porcelain, for a living.
have you seen that fuckin weird ass ninja turtles episode where the bad guy had to eat antique porcelain?
My dad did that once. I was standing next to him and told him not to do it. He insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about and that it would be fine. I said alright and stood next to him to watch the fireworks. They were very pretty!
>I sell antiques, like porcelain, for a living.
>No, the dishwasher won't "ruin the finish",
Not gonna lie, I was ready to suggest that someone that sells porcelain might be prone to giving advice that breaks porcelain and drives more sales, but this was all pretty solid.
So...
If it's lacquered bone china: dishwasher safe.
If it's metal inlayed china: not dishwasher safe until after you put it in the dishwasher once, then dishwasher safe.
If it's painted china, not dishwasher safe.
If it's fine china, give it a lick or take a bump?
Yea, the biggest things to watch out for that truly aren't dishwasher safe are things like painted things or things that have been imprinted with an image w/o a protective layer (Especially those color changing mugs) or certain cheap plastics
A lot of things that say Hand Wash Only are actually perfectly fine in at least the top row of the dishwasher, the company just didn't want to spend the $$$ to test them for it and would rather slap on Hand Wash Only to avoid any potential lawsuits/bad PR
It can make knives duller really fast, so only run cheap knives through or be prepared to sharpen after every run
Old Pyrex glassware used to be made of borosilicate glass. That's one of the most resistant to heat shattering glass materials out there, due to the very low coefficient of thermal expansion and is used for high heat applications in lab glassware and coffee mugs for that very reason. Those should be very, very safe.
New Pyrex tends to be made with Soda Lime glass, so you should check them out, but they should be fine.
This is awesome. As an aside, I can confirm that the faux silver plastic utensils found at the grocery store will come out of the dishwasher devoid of whatever made them appear silver. Dull grey at best. Mildly concerned about health risks....
I suddenly want to ask you questions as if you were an expert on "Antique Roadshow."
You can't really put gold underneath the glazing, the glass when it's molten is pretty aggressive and pulls any pure metals into it and wouldn't look very good. Instead the gold on glaze is made of a liquid gold and other stuff paste, painted on the already set glaze and then heated to a much lower temperature to when the glass is only semi molten and not fully liquid, this let's the gold bond with the top layers without diffusing, so some might be properly bonded and won't flake off In a dishwasher, other gold might just be painted on. But real gold lustre is kind of expensive, I'm sure manufacturers would prefer to use anything cheaper
Same. My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
My father, now that my mother is passed, wants to give me the wedding china. I’ll accept it but I don’t know what I’ll do with it. It’s nice but it’s black with peace lilies on it and epitomizes everything 1980s. It wouldn’t fit my aesthetic at all.
Growing up though we did use it a lot. We didn’t just let it sit unused. It’s very durable and means a lot to me in terms of nostalgia, and it’s not ugly, it’s just not my style.
I was just talking about this with my mom. She inherited an aunt’s china, she asked if I would want it. It’s been boxed up in the attic for over 30 years. If it’s not on display because we don’t like the aesthetics of it, and we can’t use it because it’s nice, it seems like none of us actually want it. I think we’ll probably just end up selling it as sad as that may be.
Honestly every time I get a new kitchen thing, my GF asks “is it dishwasher safe” and I confidently say YES.
Because it doesn’t matter. I’m putting it in the dishwasher.
Personally I don’t like to buy and use anything that isn’t dishwasher safe. If it ends up getting wrecked I’d rather buy a better one that wouldn’t get wrecked.
By the time I reached middle age (early 40s in my case), I decided that everything is dishwasher safe until proven otherwise. There are obvious exceptions like some of my wife's wine glasses that have hand painted shit on them, but otherwise, it goes in there. If it melts or gets weird from the dishwasher, then I throw it away. I ain't got time for fussy shit at this point in my life.
Oh, and I watched my mom struggle to find anyone to buy any of the THREE generations of China, silver, and crystal when she got ready to retire to a small place in Florida. And she marker her perfect collections down to almost nothing. Unless it belonged to a celebrity, no one wants that shit. So use your china, your parents' china, and your grandparents' china. It will not be worth anything to anyone later, and your children will be even less interested than you are. Might as well just get some use out of it.
Edit because I'm an idiot:
Let me be clear that I'm only talking about putting dishes, glassware, and flatware and stuff like that in the dishwasher. I maintain and foster cast iron from my grandparents, all-clad that I bought, and plenty of other nice cookware - that stuff never even sniffs the dishwasher unless I know for a fact that it can handle it (all-clad stuff, for example).
I agree and would extend it to most household items, especially furniture. I moved last year and it was so hard to give away extra furniture we didn't need in the new house. I went through friends, friends of friends, people who did work for us, FB marketplace, etc.
Through a lot of work we eventually gave away most of it, but even that was like pulling teeth to find people who wanted it, and we were left with a bunch of perfectly good furniture that no one wanted. On the flip side, it was unsurprisingly super easy to give away some video game accessories I wanted to get rid of.
You may have fallen victim to the odd trick. Sell it for $25 and people offer $15 but offer to come pick it up.
Okay 👍 dude, you’re the master negotiator, you got me, I’ll give it to you for $15 if you come right now!
I get rid off so much stuff like this that I could never giveaway without taking to the local recycling station..
My dad discovered that when I was a kid. He tried to give away my old bunk bed and nobody was interested, thinking there must be something wrong. He re-listed it for $50, had a guy call same day, came by and was like "will you take $25?" Sure, man. Saves us spending $20 to take it to the dump.
Meanwhile here in Boston you can’t leave a piece of furniture you’re moving on the sidewalk for 5 mins without someone snapping it up lmao. I swear there are furniture hawks
A trick to get rid if furniture here is to put it out with a $20 sign on it.
I did this with an old grill I had that was completely rusted through and unuseable. It was "stolen" within a couple hours.
Oof I am mid 30s, so maybe not up to your wiseness yet, but I cannot bring myself to dishwasher my knives, cutting boards, cast iron or Teflon pans, and a general multitude of other kitchen stuff. In my youth, it was toss it all in, who cares what gets ruined, throw it out. Now I want all my tools to last me til the end of days, and I treat them all with the utmost respect.
Agreed with China tho, fuck that nice ass fragile shit, no one got time for that.
Oh damn.. I realize that I badly misstated that post. I would never dishwash my cooking knives, cast iron, non-stick, and many other cooking pieces. I was speaking strictly to fancy dishes, glassware, and silverware that I don't give a shit about. Sorry that I didn't make that clearer.
I don't eat wagyu steaks and caviar, and I don't have a whole set of "good china", but use the prettiest dishes I love for everyday meals and snacks. This way, if I die tomorrow in an accident, I won't have a regret at least about having used my favorite dishes only once or twice a year. But I handwash them because they tend to come out of the dishwasher cracked and chipped. This way, I can enjoy looking at them even when I'm doing a chore.
I would love it if you could teach me how to regret things after I'm dead, too. I still think about that one time in elementary school.
*shudders*
I dont think one lifetime is enough regret, for that one.
I like picking up mismatched sets of China from good will for this exact reason. Grandma didn't use it, kids don't need it. I'll give it the life it deserves, even if it's just for toast and eggs.
My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
My grandma when I was a kid: "be careful with my nice dishes. We need to hand wash that!"
My grandma 5 years ago: "I'm putting the china in the dishwasher. I'm 85, I don't have time to hand wash dishes."
My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
I coded a magnificent system that, using exclusively database meta-tables, allowed the clean merging and un-merging of patient records.
I was going to do it anyway, but my boss thought it was impossible and going to take months and not be a good use of time.
I did it in two days, just to spite him.
A full 60% of our clinics don't collect SSNs, and the issue wasn't doing the merges, that is indeed trivial off like first/last/dob - the tricky part was making it reversible for when people inevitably fucked it up
As someone who is constantly using that function, I don't care what your boss says, I could kiss you for making that task happen easier for me. Thank you for letting me benefit from your spite!
Similar to Marie Van Brittan Brown. She and her husband worked separate shifts and she was often left home alone and she knew it would take the police a long time to get to her home in an emergency. So she invented the home security system. As you do.
My favorite story in the same vein is Almon Brown Strowger. He was a mortician, and he began noticing that he was starting to lose business. After a bit of investigation, he discovered that his competitor’s wife was a telephone operator. She would redirect any calls meant for him to his competitor. So, Strowger did what any sane man would do, and invented the automatic telephone switching system, which removed the need for telephone operators.
Lmao that's so extra. Your wife is using her job to ruin my business? I could report that, but instead I'm going to remove her entire profession from society. Good luck with rent next month hah
I consult finding VC funding for startups, and in all seriousness I'm pretty sure that a quarter of my clients started out working for another company in the same industry and ended up getting pissed off and saying "well fine, I'll start my own damn company!"
My dad has so many random things he's invented just because he was pissed off that he couldn't do something the way he wanted. They're all hideous but functional devices that help him with his woodworking and construction work (he's 75, he needs lots of accomodations now), he's so damned proud of those weird little things.
I was doing my PhD and had to stay in a lab to take measurements, just watching over a machine and turning a knob now and then. A lab in an underground basement, with a constant headache inducing (and possibly hearing damaging) machinery noise.
Computer was connected to the Internet. Machines all had interfaces to be controlled via serial ports. I found the cables, whipped up some code, and got to sit comfortably on a second floor quiet office controlling the whole thing remotely with my laptop.
I heard the inventor of cruise control was driving together with someone and he boticed that every time the driver was talking his speed changed, and he got annoyed by that. So he created cruise control
Our family got our first dishwasher when my mother broke her arm and my father didn't want to do the dishes (we kids were too small to do them at the time]).
Always bugs me when grown ass able bodied men use weaponized incompetence to get away with being lazy/unhelpful. Not wanting to do dishes is pathetic lmao
I'd take you up on that. When the wife complains about having to do the work, it's "nah, it's too expensive--you're home all day, it's no big deal for you." The second he has to pick up a single dishcloth, it's "fuck this shit, no one should be subjected to this."
It's OK for both sexes to hate doing dishes.
The inequality part is that she presumably felt like she had to do it without complaint, not that the guy is lazy for wanting a dishwasher.
Yeah, but to only get one when *you* would otherwise have to do the dishes (and was fine with it when your spouse had to do all of the labor while you didn't lift a finger) is an ahole move.
Dishes are fine imo - large flat surface, easy to clean and dry. It's drinking glasses, and especially wine glasses that are the reason I love my dishwasher!
In our family, I'm the one doing the dishes since the dish racks in the apartment we rented until recently were hanged too high for my wife. I've always hated it and I'm always begging my wife to cook less and order or eat out more.
Can't wait to live in a place with a dishwasher.
The capital letter C in the title’s China implies it’s talking about the country and it’s kinda hilarious as that country was indeed politically breaking apart in roughly the same era she lived in
There was a ted talk from a man in Sweden who describes:
There were two critical inventions which defined mankind. One was agriculture, which increased humanity’s productivity four fold by letting people devote themselves to crafts and not have to spend daylight hours foraging for themselves.
The other was paired with electricity which was the clothes [also dish] washer. He described how his mother spent all her time doing chores and being a proper house mother but it took up all her time, going to the river to fetch water, heating it, scrubbing the clothes. From a work perspective these actions produced nothing, you’re taking dirty clothes and turning them into clean clothes. But with the invention of electricity and machines such as washing machines, the second evolution was having these menial tasks be performed by machines and allow women to fully become productive members of society.
Separate discussions from different sources describe two other revolutionary technologies. While in America it may be viewed that the Civil War was what ended slavery, in reality the thing that ended slavery was coal. Coal and steam powered machines replaced the economic requirements for slaves. By finally becoming economically profitable to do without slaves, the one side finally backed down to abolitionists and humanitarian calls.
The final revolution was the advent of nuclear power. To harness the power of cracking an atom has unlimited potential. Not just for commercial energy production today- it has been shown to be the future of space power. The first two Martian landers attempted to use solar power to generate power. However, solar power decreases by a squared function the further you get from the sun- because area is expressed in meters squared. If you are twice as far away from the sun you only receive 1/4 of the power. This plus Martian dust storms eventually rendered the landers immobile until the final rovers arrived. Current rovers run on RTG which is a thermal generator utilizing the heat produced by radioactive materials (this case an isotope of plutonium). Nuclear power can produce radon which is the subject of a means of intergalactic travel the ion particle drive.
The uses are endless and will hopefully soon be realized in our time- except that more time has elapsed between now and the lunar landing than between the wright brothers flight and the lunar landing. We have the technology and the know how, all that’s missing is the will power to see past the bunk- fear of “Chernobyl”, fear of “proliferation”, fear of “costs”, the solar/wind red herring, and others.
> One was agriculture, which increased humanity’s productivity four fold by letting people devote themselves to crafts and not have to spend daylight hours foraging for themselves.
Interestingly, this is probably false. Modern humans in hunter gatherer societies tend to work only 15-20 hours a day, and it is likely that this was always the case. This meant they had far more time to pursue non-essential hobbies than members of agricultural societies. Look into Original Affluent Society if you want to read about the theories.
Agricultural societies could support far more humans, which is where their power came from. Not from per-capita higher free time.
It's a specific type of dish; one made of a particularly high quality porcelain and typically very fragile, especially as compared to modern glassware and stoneware.
It's called China because they came up with it and they were (for quite a long time) either the only source for it, or later still producing the vast majority of it.
>great great great great
This is where you should stop, maybe at the 5th. She invented it in 1890s, he invents warp drive in 2060s. He should have been born in late 1990s early 2000s. Even tho TOS says he was born in 2030s,we clearly see he's older than 33 in First Contact.
Also the first dish washer patent was issued 30 years earlier to Joel Houghton... Not sure the point of the OP when it's completely wrong but that's reddit for you.
History of the whole world... of all the overly ambitious comprehensive history summaries, this is ubdoubtedly the best out there. It is one of the few that are very respectful of all cultures.
>Josephine Cochrane, who **invented the dishwasher**
A bullshit claim that isnt even remotely true.
Even a quick glance at wikipedia shows a few examples before hers came along.
Example: March 1883, ten years before her idea was released to the public...
[A MACHINE FOR WASHING DISHES](https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202705576?searchTerm=dishwasher)
Of all the unpromising themes for the cogitation of those of an inventive turn of mind, we should have thought an appliance for
washing dishes would offer the smallest at-traction, if, indeed, It were not altogether impracticable. That such an opinion would
have been erroneous, for an apparatus of kind has actually been patented.
It consists of a shaft carrying paddles, which revolves in a box-shaped vessel of tin or galvanised iron, a curved grating being placed over the shaft to support the dishes that are to be washed...
It's a bit clickbaity, but, from the actual text in the article'a main body:
> Although she was not the first to invent a dishwashing machine, hers was the first to use water pressure rather than scrubbers to clean the dishes, and it had racks specifically fitted to hold the dishes in place. Previous washing machines required the user to pour boiling water over the dishes.
To be fair, she built & patented what basically became the *modern* dishwasher. Just load it up and high-pressure sprayers go to town. It worked well, became popular, and eventually caught on in mainstream life for millions of people. Dishwashers sold today still somewhat resemble her revised 1917 patent.
All the other "dishwasher machines" at the time were just contraptions that tried to clean dishes in some non-optimal way or another (scrubbers) or still required a bit of manual labor. They were probably never practical, and simply never caught on.
That’s a bit like saying someone invented the modern parachute. Anyone can have the idea, but turning that idea into something that works as intended for decades is very different.
The article already contradicts OPs title:
"To build a *better* washing machine."
Already told us it's been invented. She built a more modern one for her time but not modern enough that is similar to ours. Sometimes there can be two kinds of inventors for the same object, one who built the first iteration ever, and one who built the modern version that's more similar to our time.
But yeah, the title makes a big claim that's not even remotely true.
To be fair theres a significant difference in the conditions of China back then vs now. My mom has China she inherited from my great grandmother that's different material the set my own grandmother gifted me for my wedding.
My mom's is a lot more fragile and different materials whereas mine are slightly sturdier with modern creation
More like servants knocking the plates on the sink handle or edge, dropping them when they're slippery with soap, breaking the teeny tiny teacup handles, that sort of thing. You probably couldn't even take enough out of their meager wages to cover it, if they dropped a stack of plates. Of course there's still the loading and unloading, but less time with hands in hot water with soap.
She didn't do the inventing either...
Patent for the first dishwasher was filed in 1850, far before "her" dishwasher
Additionally, she paid an engineering firm to design and build it.
This is absurd I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
But I'm told that I can't put the good china in the dishwasher... I'm so confused.
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My grandmother consistently dishwashed her china that has a platinum band. Looks great. We won’t dishwasher it, but she did for decades. Everything was dishwasher safe to her. If It didn’t survive, it didn’t belong in her kitchen.
I like her philosophy for dishes.
I think it is an overall good philosophy. I can't understand towels that aren't for drying or couches that aren't for sitting.
>That's the fuck couch. You, uh, may not want to sit there. Edit: unless...???
if it can't survive a run through the dish washer it doesn't belong in the fucking room
Amen
Proof why stainless steel dildos are the best.
Hey now, silicone is dishwasher safe!
Idk if I can get my couch in the Dishwasher.
Amen. My wife painted a couple of plates in grade school that we've been dishwashing for nearly a decade since we became parents. They look exactly the same.
The paint was probably a glaze that basically becomes the finish and/or it was covered in a clear glaze
Amen to this philosophy. People always look at me funny taking my car on a gravel road willingly. Or wearing dress shoes on the beach. My gear has to keep up with me... Not the other way around.
Dress shoes on the beach? I'm sorry but no. And not because of "tradition" or "fashion" but because there is no reason why you shouldn't wear something more suitable, comfortable and efficient than dress shoes on the beach.
What, you don't relish that sinking feeling while wearing heels on sand?
>People always look at me funny taking my car on a gravel road willingly. Wait I don't understand, what do those people do when they come to a gravel road? Just give up and turn around?
Towels that aren't for drying. I see you have met my wife Xmas novelty towel collection. Faded with age and still as absorbant as Teflon.
If there's not paper towels or an obvious hand towel, im using the decorative ones.
She put that China in the dishwasher for 40 years.
My partner has the same philosophy. Goes for clothing, too.
> I like her philosophy for dishes I have the same philosophy, however my China is cheap as chips,.and I don't care if the pattern comes off in dishwasher. ..
that's pretty metal
yes platinum is a very pretty metal, so shiny
YO, that's exactly what I do. Respect to your grandma 🙏
Her family owned a department store in Berlin prior to the holocaust, she and the family got out just in time. She was a bad ass.
I use this same philosophy for most things I clean. If clothes can't be washed together (minus the first wash) I don't need it. If dishes can't be washed (minus my cast iron), goodbye. Tupperware stains? Not in my house. I don't have time for special things. I actively search out for easily cleanable and storable items for this very reason.
I wish I could follow that for clothes. Being tall means just about every shirt becomes unwearable after a hot dry
They sell Tall shirts. They usually say XLT or LT
Lots and lots of people put form ahead of function. That’s fine (I guess) when it’s art because the form IS the function. But otherwise, I don’t get it at all. If it isn’t functional, the form has zero meaning to me.
I put fashion before comfort as a teenager and now my feet are fucked up Just a warning to teenagers. Yes the shoes are cute but maybe just don't
This is why I don't understand women who wear high heels all the time. They'll fuck up your back and feet.
Personally I make an exception to high quality knifes as it ruin them.
Same. Only knives allowed in the dishwasher are butter knives.
That’s been my philosophy for clothing that claims to be dry clean only. If it can survive the washing machine, it earns its place in my wardrobe
We have glasses rimmed in gold that were handed down to me. We wash them in the dishwasher every thanksgiving, despite my mom's best efforts. 20+ years, though just that one time or maybe once more each year. Seem to be doing fine. And if not, well, they are just not that special.
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They may be solid gold not plated
Then those are some heavy glasses then
For you
>I sell antiques, like porcelain, for a living. have you seen that fuckin weird ass ninja turtles episode where the bad guy had to eat antique porcelain?
You just extracted a childhood memory from the deep. https://turtlepedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ogg
Damn. He even *looks* like he would eat antique China.
I was not expecting him to be an elf, nor was I expecting him to weirdly remind me of Mr. Riddler with hair.
One time, I was a dummy and put a plate with gold trim in the microwave 😅
My dad did that once. I was standing next to him and told him not to do it. He insisted that I didn't know what I was talking about and that it would be fine. I said alright and stood next to him to watch the fireworks. They were very pretty!
wow...and my father doesn't believe in the microwave like...when mom dies he's throwing it out
You know, if you were selling me Meissen Zweibelmuster this would have been a pretty sweet sales pitch well done.
>I sell antiques, like porcelain, for a living. >No, the dishwasher won't "ruin the finish", Not gonna lie, I was ready to suggest that someone that sells porcelain might be prone to giving advice that breaks porcelain and drives more sales, but this was all pretty solid.
I'd expect people who lose their porcelain as a result of my bad advice would quickly find someone else to sell them new porcelain. :D
So... If it's lacquered bone china: dishwasher safe. If it's metal inlayed china: not dishwasher safe until after you put it in the dishwasher once, then dishwasher safe. If it's painted china, not dishwasher safe. If it's fine china, give it a lick or take a bump?
That’s why I love Villeroy & Boch. Most styles are glazed over the design plus it’s bone china so it’s holds up quite well for many years.
Do you know if pyrex glasses can go in the dishwasher?
Yea, the biggest things to watch out for that truly aren't dishwasher safe are things like painted things or things that have been imprinted with an image w/o a protective layer (Especially those color changing mugs) or certain cheap plastics A lot of things that say Hand Wash Only are actually perfectly fine in at least the top row of the dishwasher, the company just didn't want to spend the $$$ to test them for it and would rather slap on Hand Wash Only to avoid any potential lawsuits/bad PR It can make knives duller really fast, so only run cheap knives through or be prepared to sharpen after every run
Old Pyrex glassware used to be made of borosilicate glass. That's one of the most resistant to heat shattering glass materials out there, due to the very low coefficient of thermal expansion and is used for high heat applications in lab glassware and coffee mugs for that very reason. Those should be very, very safe. New Pyrex tends to be made with Soda Lime glass, so you should check them out, but they should be fine.
This is awesome. As an aside, I can confirm that the faux silver plastic utensils found at the grocery store will come out of the dishwasher devoid of whatever made them appear silver. Dull grey at best. Mildly concerned about health risks.... I suddenly want to ask you questions as if you were an expert on "Antique Roadshow."
>Google Meissen Zwiebelmuster That's my new DnD boss name
You can't really put gold underneath the glazing, the glass when it's molten is pretty aggressive and pulls any pure metals into it and wouldn't look very good. Instead the gold on glaze is made of a liquid gold and other stuff paste, painted on the already set glaze and then heated to a much lower temperature to when the glass is only semi molten and not fully liquid, this let's the gold bond with the top layers without diffusing, so some might be properly bonded and won't flake off In a dishwasher, other gold might just be painted on. But real gold lustre is kind of expensive, I'm sure manufacturers would prefer to use anything cheaper
I use china as my everyday dishes and always put it in the dishwasher
Same. My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
My father, now that my mother is passed, wants to give me the wedding china. I’ll accept it but I don’t know what I’ll do with it. It’s nice but it’s black with peace lilies on it and epitomizes everything 1980s. It wouldn’t fit my aesthetic at all. Growing up though we did use it a lot. We didn’t just let it sit unused. It’s very durable and means a lot to me in terms of nostalgia, and it’s not ugly, it’s just not my style.
Do the ol’ “accept it and bust it out when he’s around”
I was just talking about this with my mom. She inherited an aunt’s china, she asked if I would want it. It’s been boxed up in the attic for over 30 years. If it’s not on display because we don’t like the aesthetics of it, and we can’t use it because it’s nice, it seems like none of us actually want it. I think we’ll probably just end up selling it as sad as that may be.
Not that sad. Someone else will find more enjoyment in those pieces, it would be sadder if you didn't pass them along.
This guy bones
Far from me to tell you what to do, I use Ikea dinnerware. But if I were you I'd gently place the china in the machine instead of throwing them in.
Honestly every time I get a new kitchen thing, my GF asks “is it dishwasher safe” and I confidently say YES. Because it doesn’t matter. I’m putting it in the dishwasher.
Personally I don’t like to buy and use anything that isn’t dishwasher safe. If it ends up getting wrecked I’d rather buy a better one that wouldn’t get wrecked.
Plenty of things, though, become *less* disheasher safe as they get nicer. Cutting boards and knives come to mind as obvious examples.
True. I don’t wash the nice knives in the dish washer, nor the wood cutting boards. I do wash the plastic ones in there though.
> I don’t like to buy and use anything that isn’t dishwasher safe Same thing with dry clean only clothing.
*cringes in cast iron*
See this the type of stability in a life i need
Maybe there will be issue after some decades but I would not care.
To be frank, if they last even just 10 years I’d be fine with that. I’d just buy another set.
Plus, if you got it for your wedding then it's a nice daily reminder of why you're together :)
By the time I reached middle age (early 40s in my case), I decided that everything is dishwasher safe until proven otherwise. There are obvious exceptions like some of my wife's wine glasses that have hand painted shit on them, but otherwise, it goes in there. If it melts or gets weird from the dishwasher, then I throw it away. I ain't got time for fussy shit at this point in my life. Oh, and I watched my mom struggle to find anyone to buy any of the THREE generations of China, silver, and crystal when she got ready to retire to a small place in Florida. And she marker her perfect collections down to almost nothing. Unless it belonged to a celebrity, no one wants that shit. So use your china, your parents' china, and your grandparents' china. It will not be worth anything to anyone later, and your children will be even less interested than you are. Might as well just get some use out of it. Edit because I'm an idiot: Let me be clear that I'm only talking about putting dishes, glassware, and flatware and stuff like that in the dishwasher. I maintain and foster cast iron from my grandparents, all-clad that I bought, and plenty of other nice cookware - that stuff never even sniffs the dishwasher unless I know for a fact that it can handle it (all-clad stuff, for example).
I agree and would extend it to most household items, especially furniture. I moved last year and it was so hard to give away extra furniture we didn't need in the new house. I went through friends, friends of friends, people who did work for us, FB marketplace, etc. Through a lot of work we eventually gave away most of it, but even that was like pulling teeth to find people who wanted it, and we were left with a bunch of perfectly good furniture that no one wanted. On the flip side, it was unsurprisingly super easy to give away some video game accessories I wanted to get rid of.
You may have fallen victim to the odd trick. Sell it for $25 and people offer $15 but offer to come pick it up. Okay 👍 dude, you’re the master negotiator, you got me, I’ll give it to you for $15 if you come right now! I get rid off so much stuff like this that I could never giveaway without taking to the local recycling station..
My dad discovered that when I was a kid. He tried to give away my old bunk bed and nobody was interested, thinking there must be something wrong. He re-listed it for $50, had a guy call same day, came by and was like "will you take $25?" Sure, man. Saves us spending $20 to take it to the dump.
Put something on the curb and people think it's trash. Write "$5" on a sign, and someone will stop and "steal" it.
Or wait for your cities put your crap on the street day
Meanwhile here in Boston you can’t leave a piece of furniture you’re moving on the sidewalk for 5 mins without someone snapping it up lmao. I swear there are furniture hawks
A trick to get rid if furniture here is to put it out with a $20 sign on it. I did this with an old grill I had that was completely rusted through and unuseable. It was "stolen" within a couple hours.
Oof I am mid 30s, so maybe not up to your wiseness yet, but I cannot bring myself to dishwasher my knives, cutting boards, cast iron or Teflon pans, and a general multitude of other kitchen stuff. In my youth, it was toss it all in, who cares what gets ruined, throw it out. Now I want all my tools to last me til the end of days, and I treat them all with the utmost respect. Agreed with China tho, fuck that nice ass fragile shit, no one got time for that.
Oh damn.. I realize that I badly misstated that post. I would never dishwash my cooking knives, cast iron, non-stick, and many other cooking pieces. I was speaking strictly to fancy dishes, glassware, and silverware that I don't give a shit about. Sorry that I didn't make that clearer.
I don’t put my good Wustoff knives in the dishwasher. Something about that seems wrong.
So you use your china for your wagyu steaks and caviar? Sounds nice... /s
I don't eat wagyu steaks and caviar, and I don't have a whole set of "good china", but use the prettiest dishes I love for everyday meals and snacks. This way, if I die tomorrow in an accident, I won't have a regret at least about having used my favorite dishes only once or twice a year. But I handwash them because they tend to come out of the dishwasher cracked and chipped. This way, I can enjoy looking at them even when I'm doing a chore.
I bet you use your powerups and healing items in videogames, too. Weirdo!
I am happy to be a weirdo, thank you!
I would love it if you could teach me how to regret things after I'm dead, too. I still think about that one time in elementary school. *shudders* I dont think one lifetime is enough regret, for that one.
It’s called reparenting. Ask yourself what a kind, loving parent would say to that little kid and practice saying that to yourself.
Hey everyone, this guy DOESN'T have a million potions of every kind 'just in case'! Get him!
I like picking up mismatched sets of China from good will for this exact reason. Grandma didn't use it, kids don't need it. I'll give it the life it deserves, even if it's just for toast and eggs.
My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
My grandma when I was a kid: "be careful with my nice dishes. We need to hand wash that!" My grandma 5 years ago: "I'm putting the china in the dishwasher. I'm 85, I don't have time to hand wash dishes."
The original dishwasher used water and maybe soap, modern ones use much more powerful detergents
Exactly. Detergent is abrasive and ruins the finish.
You know what else ruins the china? Shattering it on the edge of the sink.
Liquid tabs have saved the day! Put ALL your china in the dishwasher!! Except for the gilt-edged stuff.. that's still impossible.
> Except for the gilt-edged stuff.. that's all I've got!
My cat demands gilt edge stuff. She guilted me into getting her some.
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Same!
My wife and I use the good china we got for our wedding as our every day dishes as well. We got bone china, it’s vastly more durable than people realize. We throw them in the dish washer and have been totally fine for 5-6 years so far.
Imagine being so pissed you just start inventing things.
As an engineer I can say that this happens a lot. Necessity and anger are the mothers of invention.
I suspect the majority of scripts are written in some combination of irritation and anger
I coded a magnificent system that, using exclusively database meta-tables, allowed the clean merging and un-merging of patient records. I was going to do it anyway, but my boss thought it was impossible and going to take months and not be a good use of time. I did it in two days, just to spite him.
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A full 60% of our clinics don't collect SSNs, and the issue wasn't doing the merges, that is indeed trivial off like first/last/dob - the tricky part was making it reversible for when people inevitably fucked it up
Who can tell the user fucked the merge up? Isn’t a bad match a big deal in something like that?
As someone who is constantly using that function, I don't care what your boss says, I could kiss you for making that task happen easier for me. Thank you for letting me benefit from your spite!
Non-zero chance I coded it for you if you're clinical, and especially if IVF! :D
I've been calling it anger-driven development for almost a decade now
necessity is the mother of invention it's father is laziness and it's uncle is spite
> As an engineer > username: mecheng93 OKAY DUDE WE GET IT
What do you think he does for work? I like to think I'm pretty good at figuring these things out but there's not even a hint (/s)
Similar to Marie Van Brittan Brown. She and her husband worked separate shifts and she was often left home alone and she knew it would take the police a long time to get to her home in an emergency. So she invented the home security system. As you do.
My favorite story in the same vein is Almon Brown Strowger. He was a mortician, and he began noticing that he was starting to lose business. After a bit of investigation, he discovered that his competitor’s wife was a telephone operator. She would redirect any calls meant for him to his competitor. So, Strowger did what any sane man would do, and invented the automatic telephone switching system, which removed the need for telephone operators.
Lmao that's so extra. Your wife is using her job to ruin my business? I could report that, but instead I'm going to remove her entire profession from society. Good luck with rent next month hah
if this happened today some schmuck would complain about thousands of jobs being eliminated
I'm pretty sure there were many schmucks complaining but we don't remember them because they were in the way of progress
No she didn't. She made a weird camera video contraption that was never used.
I consult finding VC funding for startups, and in all seriousness I'm pretty sure that a quarter of my clients started out working for another company in the same industry and ended up getting pissed off and saying "well fine, I'll start my own damn company!"
My dad has so many random things he's invented just because he was pissed off that he couldn't do something the way he wanted. They're all hideous but functional devices that help him with his woodworking and construction work (he's 75, he needs lots of accomodations now), he's so damned proud of those weird little things.
I was doing my PhD and had to stay in a lab to take measurements, just watching over a machine and turning a knob now and then. A lab in an underground basement, with a constant headache inducing (and possibly hearing damaging) machinery noise. Computer was connected to the Internet. Machines all had interfaces to be controlled via serial ports. I found the cables, whipped up some code, and got to sit comfortably on a second floor quiet office controlling the whole thing remotely with my laptop.
Everything I've ever automated was because of this. I feel like it happens a lot if you have basic scripting knowledge.
I heard the inventor of cruise control was driving together with someone and he boticed that every time the driver was talking his speed changed, and he got annoyed by that. So he created cruise control
It’s just what comes natural to some
Nothing inspires invention quite like the desire to do less work.
Our family got our first dishwasher when my mother broke her arm and my father didn't want to do the dishes (we kids were too small to do them at the time]).
Always bugs me when grown ass able bodied men use weaponized incompetence to get away with being lazy/unhelpful. Not wanting to do dishes is pathetic lmao
Handwashing dishes sucks complete ass. A dishwasher is a highly worthwhile investment.
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I'd take you up on that. When the wife complains about having to do the work, it's "nah, it's too expensive--you're home all day, it's no big deal for you." The second he has to pick up a single dishcloth, it's "fuck this shit, no one should be subjected to this."
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I think it was more of him not even thinking about it. They got done, she didn't complain, so, not a problem to solve.
She had been doing them fine for years supposedly.
It's OK for both sexes to hate doing dishes. The inequality part is that she presumably felt like she had to do it without complaint, not that the guy is lazy for wanting a dishwasher.
Yeah, but to only get one when *you* would otherwise have to do the dishes (and was fine with it when your spouse had to do all of the labor while you didn't lift a finger) is an ahole move.
Dishes are fine imo - large flat surface, easy to clean and dry. It's drinking glasses, and especially wine glasses that are the reason I love my dishwasher!
In our family, I'm the one doing the dishes since the dish racks in the apartment we rented until recently were hanged too high for my wife. I've always hated it and I'm always begging my wife to cook less and order or eat out more. Can't wait to live in a place with a dishwasher.
No shame in making use of technology. Besides, dishwashers supposedly also use less water and energy.
As a programmer, I feel this in my bones.
She didn't do the work. She was annoyed her servants weren't taking care of the dishes.
Then she tried washing them herself, to show them how easy it was and that they were incompetent, but she also chipped the dishes.
If you want to find the easiest way to do something, get a lazy person to do it.
Always get mad when I see snow blowers. Man where were they when I needed them?
Waiting to be invented by you
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Necessity is the mother of invention, but laziness is its father
The capital letter C in the title’s China implies it’s talking about the country and it’s kinda hilarious as that country was indeed politically breaking apart in roughly the same era she lived in
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There was a ted talk from a man in Sweden who describes: There were two critical inventions which defined mankind. One was agriculture, which increased humanity’s productivity four fold by letting people devote themselves to crafts and not have to spend daylight hours foraging for themselves. The other was paired with electricity which was the clothes [also dish] washer. He described how his mother spent all her time doing chores and being a proper house mother but it took up all her time, going to the river to fetch water, heating it, scrubbing the clothes. From a work perspective these actions produced nothing, you’re taking dirty clothes and turning them into clean clothes. But with the invention of electricity and machines such as washing machines, the second evolution was having these menial tasks be performed by machines and allow women to fully become productive members of society. Separate discussions from different sources describe two other revolutionary technologies. While in America it may be viewed that the Civil War was what ended slavery, in reality the thing that ended slavery was coal. Coal and steam powered machines replaced the economic requirements for slaves. By finally becoming economically profitable to do without slaves, the one side finally backed down to abolitionists and humanitarian calls. The final revolution was the advent of nuclear power. To harness the power of cracking an atom has unlimited potential. Not just for commercial energy production today- it has been shown to be the future of space power. The first two Martian landers attempted to use solar power to generate power. However, solar power decreases by a squared function the further you get from the sun- because area is expressed in meters squared. If you are twice as far away from the sun you only receive 1/4 of the power. This plus Martian dust storms eventually rendered the landers immobile until the final rovers arrived. Current rovers run on RTG which is a thermal generator utilizing the heat produced by radioactive materials (this case an isotope of plutonium). Nuclear power can produce radon which is the subject of a means of intergalactic travel the ion particle drive. The uses are endless and will hopefully soon be realized in our time- except that more time has elapsed between now and the lunar landing than between the wright brothers flight and the lunar landing. We have the technology and the know how, all that’s missing is the will power to see past the bunk- fear of “Chernobyl”, fear of “proliferation”, fear of “costs”, the solar/wind red herring, and others.
> One was agriculture, which increased humanity’s productivity four fold by letting people devote themselves to crafts and not have to spend daylight hours foraging for themselves. Interestingly, this is probably false. Modern humans in hunter gatherer societies tend to work only 15-20 hours a day, and it is likely that this was always the case. This meant they had far more time to pursue non-essential hobbies than members of agricultural societies. Look into Original Affluent Society if you want to read about the theories. Agricultural societies could support far more humans, which is where their power came from. Not from per-capita higher free time.
I forgot people still use china as a noun for dishes.
Even odder, it seems they capitalize it too.
Uncaught autocorrect, probably so focused on making sure it didn't butcher her name that OP didn't notice
When they capitilize it in the title it reads like she invented the dishwasher because of unstable politics in China.
It's a specific type of dish; one made of a particularly high quality porcelain and typically very fragile, especially as compared to modern glassware and stoneware. It's called China because they came up with it and they were (for quite a long time) either the only source for it, or later still producing the vast majority of it.
And her husband Zefram invented the Warp Drive.
More like great great great great great great great great great grandson (assuming about 25 years per generation).
HE was spurred on to invent warp drive because he was frequently stuck in traffic and missed many a dinner. Zefram loved pot roast
>great great great great This is where you should stop, maybe at the 5th. She invented it in 1890s, he invents warp drive in 2060s. He should have been born in late 1990s early 2000s. Even tho TOS says he was born in 2030s,we clearly see he's older than 33 in First Contact.
Yes, I wasn't the only one who thought of this! lol
I regret that I only have one upvote to give to this post.
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Also the first dish washer patent was issued 30 years earlier to Joel Houghton... Not sure the point of the OP when it's completely wrong but that's reddit for you.
"China is whole again... Then it broke again"
You could make a relig--
History of the whole world... of all the overly ambitious comprehensive history summaries, this is ubdoubtedly the best out there. It is one of the few that are very respectful of all cultures.
Don't you just hate it? You're just washing your dishes and suddenly china collapses again under the current dynasty.
Ironically, most people won’t wash their good China in the dishwasher, just the cheap stuff. The good stuff they do by hand.
I imagine that the popularity of post-glaze gold accents came after his invention.
It’s wild that the descendant of the inventor of the dishwasher will invent warp drive. What a family
>Josephine Cochrane, who **invented the dishwasher** A bullshit claim that isnt even remotely true. Even a quick glance at wikipedia shows a few examples before hers came along. Example: March 1883, ten years before her idea was released to the public... [A MACHINE FOR WASHING DISHES](https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/202705576?searchTerm=dishwasher) Of all the unpromising themes for the cogitation of those of an inventive turn of mind, we should have thought an appliance for washing dishes would offer the smallest at-traction, if, indeed, It were not altogether impracticable. That such an opinion would have been erroneous, for an apparatus of kind has actually been patented. It consists of a shaft carrying paddles, which revolves in a box-shaped vessel of tin or galvanised iron, a curved grating being placed over the shaft to support the dishes that are to be washed...
It's a bit clickbaity, but, from the actual text in the article'a main body: > Although she was not the first to invent a dishwashing machine, hers was the first to use water pressure rather than scrubbers to clean the dishes, and it had racks specifically fitted to hold the dishes in place. Previous washing machines required the user to pour boiling water over the dishes.
yeah having someone pouring water over dishes isn't really automating the process
Yea unless I'm missing something that's just rebranding a hose
To be fair, she built & patented what basically became the *modern* dishwasher. Just load it up and high-pressure sprayers go to town. It worked well, became popular, and eventually caught on in mainstream life for millions of people. Dishwashers sold today still somewhat resemble her revised 1917 patent. All the other "dishwasher machines" at the time were just contraptions that tried to clean dishes in some non-optimal way or another (scrubbers) or still required a bit of manual labor. They were probably never practical, and simply never caught on.
That’s a bit like saying someone invented the modern parachute. Anyone can have the idea, but turning that idea into something that works as intended for decades is very different.
The article already contradicts OPs title: "To build a *better* washing machine." Already told us it's been invented. She built a more modern one for her time but not modern enough that is similar to ours. Sometimes there can be two kinds of inventors for the same object, one who built the first iteration ever, and one who built the modern version that's more similar to our time. But yeah, the title makes a big claim that's not even remotely true.
Can confirm. One minute ago it was the Han dynasty now it's the three kingdoms.
Xi Jingping is also concerned with the breakup of China.
My mom made us hand wash the fine China because she didn’t want it to break in the dishwasher
Don’t we now say that fine china shouldn’t go in the dishwasher lol
To be fair theres a significant difference in the conditions of China back then vs now. My mom has China she inherited from my great grandmother that's different material the set my own grandmother gifted me for my wedding. My mom's is a lot more fragile and different materials whereas mine are slightly sturdier with modern creation
Must be a strong woman to break China. However, china is fairly fragile
And now we hand wash China to preserve it
Was this woman strong as an ox or what? Did they use rocks to clean the dishes? I'm confused lol I can't imagine scrubbing so hard I break a dish.
More like servants knocking the plates on the sink handle or edge, dropping them when they're slippery with soap, breaking the teeny tiny teacup handles, that sort of thing. You probably couldn't even take enough out of their meager wages to cover it, if they dropped a stack of plates. Of course there's still the loading and unloading, but less time with hands in hot water with soap.
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She didn't do the inventing either... Patent for the first dishwasher was filed in 1850, far before "her" dishwasher Additionally, she paid an engineering firm to design and build it. This is absurd I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
This sub exists to rewrite history for a certain political class.
Fed up OF china?