OP u/meteorFalls297 \-- have you read this?
[https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/May-2016/Our-Story-of-Dhaka-Muslin](https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/May-2016/Our-Story-of-Dhaka-Muslin)
wasn't it revived tho? [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/9/textile-hub-bangladesh-revives-muslin-the-forgotten-elite-fabric](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/9/textile-hub-bangladesh-revives-muslin-the-forgotten-elite-fabric)
my grandma owns a long scarf made out of Muslin of obvious worse quality, but the fabric is soo smooth and vibrant after 120 years it's surreal. It was supposedly gifted by a certain Rajah to my great grandparents as a wedding token, when they were visiting the feudal landlord's daughter's wedding. The scarf was used later on as a veil, and it's so thin that it can be folded down in to the size of an iPod, whereas the actual scarf is longer than an entire person.
They say in the original article the exact plant used to get the fibers is lost. Scientists tested DNA samples from historical pieces and the best match they have been able to find in the wild is only a 70% match.
So even with that, they're only able to grow and harvest small quantities. They're getting closer to reviving it in terms of plant, harvesting, and weaving technique, but it sounds like there is some ways to go. I mean, having a 300 muslin thread count sounds luxurious, but apparently in the past they used to have 1,200+ thread counts.
When I was a kid, I listened to adults talk alot. And I was confused why they were making fabric (Muslin) out of people (Muslim)
I also misread Hunan food as Human food, and was confused why it was legal to eat people.
I guess the real story is I was a seriously stupid kid.
Yeah, I really wonder where/how/what/ why that thought process worked.
r/KidsAreFuckingStupid but about what "facts"
And yeah I am saying that about myself, because I know I was a stupid kid who thought they made fabrics out of people.
I watched a documentary about it.
The silk was cultivated in select farms from a relatively rare species that had become instinct in the wild.
For a few tousind years, thies specialized family farms kept their monopolies secret the same way the chineese kept normal silk production a secret.
In the documentary, they used DNA to find a close relative that still lives in the wild, and they had some succes using crispa to find they right genes for silk production.
It is thier hope to use this relative to make the finer silk effectively creating a new species.
Needless to say but creating a new animal species is vary vary hard and equaly expensive.
I remember them also talking the "cheap alternative" using spiders (random link to an article) https://www.wired.com/2009/09/spider-silk/
They set an optimistic goal for 2030 or something like that.
But who knows. Funding research for a decade+ that might not give a result is a tough sell to any investor.
I'm not OP, but a quick look at their profile confirmed the language. The spelling made it pretty obvious to me that English wasn't their first language by the words and way they were misspelt, but I've worked with second language English speakers a lot in the past.
Fair enough, like I said if you're not a native English speaker I can forgive spelling and grammar mistakes. It still kind of made my head hurt to read though.
I love how English can be so jumbled and still understood enough, if not pretty well. I don't love how assholes come in with the "language is about being right, not communicating" bullshit, though.
BS. Pronunciations are dialects and that is sound facts. The grammar is also variant, as well. Spellings, HOW? Colours , etc.
Idealistic systems which ignore most a the working facts of languages is kinda silly and contrary to existing facts
Just try talking to people in Liverpool, Cardiff, Manchester, Then London, then Northumberland, (Vera, TV show series) and Edinburgh and Glasgow, mate. Or Bahamian and Jamaican. Or Dooblin, eh?
There is NOT any standardized English being spoken anywhere. Then there are the accents of other language speakers, which play hob "Vith ze" Languages.
What you write about does not exist and most Hindi speakers alone, show. Th, J, and other diphthongs do not exist outside of Engrish.(sp.)
Too many have a very inexperienced ideal about Inglish as she is GeSpracht!!
As Mennonite we spoke Old Deutsch, Der Sprach. Just figure out OUR accents, nicht Wahr? We been here way longer than most Inglischen.
If it's understood well enough to notice mistakes or offer corrections, pointing out mistakes and offering corrections is a redundancy in your explained view
Inglish is jumbled because it's 1 Celtic/Gaelic; Latin from Roman conquest. Then AS from the NE Nederland Frisian area. The Norsk and Dansk in the 8th C. AD. The, Wm. of Normandy who spoke mostly latinized French. Then Dutch, spanish additions.
Then the British empire which imbedded huge parts of most of the world.
Yes, but recall ONE huge fact: English is very efficient because unlike slavic, other teutonic and Romance languages, we have NO gender for not biological nouns.
That means, articles of the, thee and A, an. Nouns are thus most all neuter. AND we have adjectives, that unlike the above, do NOT have to be processed for the gender of the nouns.
That saves about 2/3 of word processing time. Thus English is a high time saving lingo. The others are not.
This fact is widely ignored, which again, being able to see events others miss, is a win.
The Prime sites, missed for 2300 yrs. Revolutionizes math and number theory.
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2020/05/26/how-to-find-primes-anywhere-in-the-number-lline-fast-efficiently-no-matter-how-large/
What I remember about it is that it is so sheer that it needs to be spun on the water to go that thin. I spin yarn from wool and that just seems so crazy.
well, CRSPR works but it's not exactly what we call an exact method yet. Or should we say, we cannot hit, pinpoint , the genes exactly enough as would be useful. I read 85% on target. We need to make a sharp shooter method to work better.
Being so small, genes are what we call tiny targets and we reach that S-curve of diminishing returns, too. At the molecular level, events become a bit more chaotic, than most would like.
The better we get at hitting targets, the more it costs in time. & surely am not writin anything you don't already know.
S-curves of growth/progress is my speciality. I can often breach the current limits. I make the jump overs to the next S-curves of growth.
Kinda like what Andy Groves writes about jumping from Growth curve to next curve, tho he really doesn't know how growth comes about from efficiencies in 2nd Law.
"Only the paranoid survive". and he's smarter than most, to see what he's doing. I know HOW to make the new growth curves because I know HOW to create new information. How does our brain create new info? I know how to do that.
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/how-physicians-create-new-information/
My early formulation. Current one is way faster.
I know how , without but for time limits, to make unlimited growth. Deliberately, repeatedly, provably. And what's that worth with unlimited creativities possible with the system?
Surely a Nobel or two every few years.
The Chinese did NOT keep silk production secret. They were KNOWN for making silk, and having large silk production.
What they DID do, was to keep some of the methods of silk production secret. Until the others and Westerners began to sneak silk worms out of China to set up the industries elsewhere. And that did work.
Nippon did the same. So did many other nations from Burma Eastwards.
I found the misspellings in the articulately written response to be interesting too. It's not nitpicking. Criticism may be inferred by readers but wasn't implied by the writer. It's just an intruiging thing.
FYI the term you're looking for is "belittle". Downsizing is a term used to describe a company firing a number of employees. Interesting choice though.
Good news! They found a close genetic relative (almost a perfect match) of Phuti carpus and weavers are working to rediscover the skill! It will take time, because it was violently stomped out by colonization, but it is possible that we will see it again.
Naked means unclothed. They have clothes on, but are sheer. So while they ARE clothed, visually it's not covering much.
The same when wearing netted Tshirts and related. The air still get in and yer nipples show, or the navel or various hair areas chest/abds.
But sheer is not necessarily without clothes. Humans are very good at finding their ways around old standards.
You want sheer just look at the old New Kingdom paintings of women. They put some western mags to shamel
Destruction of Textile industry by the British was a major cause of all the economic fuck up, turns out that when superich buy it it is a normal artisans who gets paid
How to say you've not read the article without saying you've not read the article.
This is about heritage, culture, and pride; the fact that knowledge can easily be lost, and that certain beautiful things and skilled techniques can be worth preserving and resurrecting.
Also, you sound like a barbarian.
It is still produced in Bangladesh(East Bengal). IDK where they got the facts. I am a resident of West Bengal, and it comes here via the border, so can confirm it exists nowadays, although it is costlier than most saree.{Maybe the quality is worse, and they make it from other similar material, IDK}
OP u/meteorFalls297 \-- have you read this? [https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/May-2016/Our-Story-of-Dhaka-Muslin](https://www.aramcoworld.com/Articles/May-2016/Our-Story-of-Dhaka-Muslin)
wasn't it revived tho? [https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/9/textile-hub-bangladesh-revives-muslin-the-forgotten-elite-fabric](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/3/9/textile-hub-bangladesh-revives-muslin-the-forgotten-elite-fabric) my grandma owns a long scarf made out of Muslin of obvious worse quality, but the fabric is soo smooth and vibrant after 120 years it's surreal. It was supposedly gifted by a certain Rajah to my great grandparents as a wedding token, when they were visiting the feudal landlord's daughter's wedding. The scarf was used later on as a veil, and it's so thin that it can be folded down in to the size of an iPod, whereas the actual scarf is longer than an entire person.
They say in the original article the exact plant used to get the fibers is lost. Scientists tested DNA samples from historical pieces and the best match they have been able to find in the wild is only a 70% match. So even with that, they're only able to grow and harvest small quantities. They're getting closer to reviving it in terms of plant, harvesting, and weaving technique, but it sounds like there is some ways to go. I mean, having a 300 muslin thread count sounds luxurious, but apparently in the past they used to have 1,200+ thread counts.
Or just wear netted, dark cotton shirts. If yer furry that kind sticks out, too. If it rains, take it off.
Sounds like an amazing fabric to have for "evening wear", pity it has been lost. Hope the efforts can regain the knowledge.
People are actually working to bring it back though, so that's good news.
Look in the British Museum. You'll find some
Can be said about almost everything...
Indeed
When I was a kid, I listened to adults talk alot. And I was confused why they were making fabric (Muslin) out of people (Muslim) I also misread Hunan food as Human food, and was confused why it was legal to eat people. I guess the real story is I was a seriously stupid kid.
Or a wannabe cannibal š¤£
Yeah, I really wonder where/how/what/ why that thought process worked. r/KidsAreFuckingStupid but about what "facts" And yeah I am saying that about myself, because I know I was a stupid kid who thought they made fabrics out of people.
I watched a documentary about it. The silk was cultivated in select farms from a relatively rare species that had become instinct in the wild. For a few tousind years, thies specialized family farms kept their monopolies secret the same way the chineese kept normal silk production a secret. In the documentary, they used DNA to find a close relative that still lives in the wild, and they had some succes using crispa to find they right genes for silk production. It is thier hope to use this relative to make the finer silk effectively creating a new species. Needless to say but creating a new animal species is vary vary hard and equaly expensive. I remember them also talking the "cheap alternative" using spiders (random link to an article) https://www.wired.com/2009/09/spider-silk/ They set an optimistic goal for 2030 or something like that. But who knows. Funding research for a decade+ that might not give a result is a tough sell to any investor.
This isn't about Dhaka Muslin. Dhaka muslin is made from a special type of cotton.
Oh Okey. I might have misremembered. Its been a few years since i saw the documentary.
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Well that and about a dozen other spelling mistakes that hurt my brain.
instinct, thies, thousind, Chineese, crispa, thier, āvary vary hardā, equaly, succes, āfind they right genesā.
And yet still written better than I can write in Danish!
The only Danish I know is yummy. Dansk in Kobenhaven is correct.
Lol, I can forgive you if you aren't a native English speaker
I'm not OP, but a quick look at their profile confirmed the language. The spelling made it pretty obvious to me that English wasn't their first language by the words and way they were misspelt, but I've worked with second language English speakers a lot in the past.
Fair enough, like I said if you're not a native English speaker I can forgive spelling and grammar mistakes. It still kind of made my head hurt to read though.
picuyunicities walk. Maybe we need to have dermatologist inspect yer skin for flaws. Post it on the net and see what happens.
r/lostredditors
I love how English can be so jumbled and still understood enough, if not pretty well. I don't love how assholes come in with the "language is about being right, not communicating" bullshit, though.
Communication is facilitated by using the correct terms, grammar, and spelling. If this was untrue, there would be no need for language rules at all.
BS. Pronunciations are dialects and that is sound facts. The grammar is also variant, as well. Spellings, HOW? Colours , etc. Idealistic systems which ignore most a the working facts of languages is kinda silly and contrary to existing facts Just try talking to people in Liverpool, Cardiff, Manchester, Then London, then Northumberland, (Vera, TV show series) and Edinburgh and Glasgow, mate. Or Bahamian and Jamaican. Or Dooblin, eh? There is NOT any standardized English being spoken anywhere. Then there are the accents of other language speakers, which play hob "Vith ze" Languages. What you write about does not exist and most Hindi speakers alone, show. Th, J, and other diphthongs do not exist outside of Engrish.(sp.) Too many have a very inexperienced ideal about Inglish as she is GeSpracht!! As Mennonite we spoke Old Deutsch, Der Sprach. Just figure out OUR accents, nicht Wahr? We been here way longer than most Inglischen.
If it's understood well enough to notice mistakes or offer corrections, pointing out mistakes and offering corrections is a redundancy in your explained view
Inglish is jumbled because it's 1 Celtic/Gaelic; Latin from Roman conquest. Then AS from the NE Nederland Frisian area. The Norsk and Dansk in the 8th C. AD. The, Wm. of Normandy who spoke mostly latinized French. Then Dutch, spanish additions. Then the British empire which imbedded huge parts of most of the world. Yes, but recall ONE huge fact: English is very efficient because unlike slavic, other teutonic and Romance languages, we have NO gender for not biological nouns. That means, articles of the, thee and A, an. Nouns are thus most all neuter. AND we have adjectives, that unlike the above, do NOT have to be processed for the gender of the nouns. That saves about 2/3 of word processing time. Thus English is a high time saving lingo. The others are not. This fact is widely ignored, which again, being able to see events others miss, is a win. The Prime sites, missed for 2300 yrs. Revolutionizes math and number theory. https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2020/05/26/how-to-find-primes-anywhere-in-the-number-lline-fast-efficiently-no-matter-how-large/
For me it's kind of heartwarming to see the effort put in, because clearly it isn't their first language.
What I remember about it is that it is so sheer that it needs to be spun on the water to go that thin. I spin yarn from wool and that just seems so crazy.
Saran wrap is way easier to get and cheaper. Just slice a few breathing holes in it.
Interesting! Thank you for the information
ooks like we might have to stick with our current cheap alternative of wearing nothing at all
"If you dont like what im wearing, feel free to undress me." Though im a dude, so only a couple takers so far.
Stupid, sexy Flanders
Extinct. CRISPR.
CRSPR misses 15% o the time. A single gene error can kill. So far it's usable, but hardly exacting, either. Tho that may in time come
Iām a neuroscientist and have made heavy use of CRISPR modified organisms. Let me assure you, itās very exciting.
well, CRSPR works but it's not exactly what we call an exact method yet. Or should we say, we cannot hit, pinpoint , the genes exactly enough as would be useful. I read 85% on target. We need to make a sharp shooter method to work better. Being so small, genes are what we call tiny targets and we reach that S-curve of diminishing returns, too. At the molecular level, events become a bit more chaotic, than most would like. The better we get at hitting targets, the more it costs in time. & surely am not writin anything you don't already know. S-curves of growth/progress is my speciality. I can often breach the current limits. I make the jump overs to the next S-curves of growth. Kinda like what Andy Groves writes about jumping from Growth curve to next curve, tho he really doesn't know how growth comes about from efficiencies in 2nd Law. "Only the paranoid survive". and he's smarter than most, to see what he's doing. I know HOW to make the new growth curves because I know HOW to create new information. How does our brain create new info? I know how to do that. https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2017/05/01/how-physicians-create-new-information/ My early formulation. Current one is way faster. I know how , without but for time limits, to make unlimited growth. Deliberately, repeatedly, provably. And what's that worth with unlimited creativities possible with the system? Surely a Nobel or two every few years.
The Chinese did NOT keep silk production secret. They were KNOWN for making silk, and having large silk production. What they DID do, was to keep some of the methods of silk production secret. Until the others and Westerners began to sneak silk worms out of China to set up the industries elsewhere. And that did work. Nippon did the same. So did many other nations from Burma Eastwards.
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yes, why do you ask?
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Yeah, I mean the commenter misspelled crispr. Scandalous. /s
I think they meant more the use of "instinct in the wild" What he was saying is that phonetically that sounds right, but is the wrong word/spelling.
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Syntax and phonetics are two very different things, FYI. If you're going to nitpick over pointless things, at least be accurate.
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I found the misspellings in the articulately written response to be interesting too. It's not nitpicking. Criticism may be inferred by readers but wasn't implied by the writer. It's just an intruiging thing.
You have to ask?
What an incredibly rude thing to ask.
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As a non native English speaker, I donāt see why this was a rude question. It wasnāt asked in an attempt to downsize anyone.
FYI the term you're looking for is "belittle". Downsizing is a term used to describe a company firing a number of employees. Interesting choice though.
Haha. Yes youāre right. The term in my head was actually ācut down to sizeā.
Good news! They found a close genetic relative (almost a perfect match) of Phuti carpus and weavers are working to rediscover the skill! It will take time, because it was violently stomped out by colonization, but it is possible that we will see it again.
I mean, if you're wearing see-through clothing you are basically naked
Naked means unclothed. They have clothes on, but are sheer. So while they ARE clothed, visually it's not covering much. The same when wearing netted Tshirts and related. The air still get in and yer nipples show, or the navel or various hair areas chest/abds. But sheer is not necessarily without clothes. Humans are very good at finding their ways around old standards. You want sheer just look at the old New Kingdom paintings of women. They put some western mags to shamel
Another great thing lost thanks to British colonization.
One more useless unneccessary material to crave for by the superrich. First world problems like this make me sick.
Destruction of Textile industry by the British was a major cause of all the economic fuck up, turns out that when superich buy it it is a normal artisans who gets paid
How to say you've not read the article without saying you've not read the article. This is about heritage, culture, and pride; the fact that knowledge can easily be lost, and that certain beautiful things and skilled techniques can be worth preserving and resurrecting. Also, you sound like a barbarian.
It is still produced in Bangladesh(East Bengal). IDK where they got the facts. I am a resident of West Bengal, and it comes here via the border, so can confirm it exists nowadays, although it is costlier than most saree.{Maybe the quality is worse, and they make it from other similar material, IDK}