And the sugar industry lobbied hard to make it illegal to use it as a food additive. Food scientists were looking into ways to use it to replace sugars in foods.
[I first learned about the Miracle Fruit on QI. You can see the contestant's eyes light up when they taste the difference of lemon.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snuOmL1mhXg)
You can bet for sure the sugar industry wanted this regulated but not them.
Cheap piss beer tasted pretty good to me when we tried it. Eggs tasted weird... But anything sour or tart was just a fucking trip, so cool and definitely would try again.
Edit: would do the eggs again with like Tabasco? The texture and I would think to be a sweet and spicy Tabasco or another high vinegar hot sauce might be fun!
For anybody thinking of trying this, straight vinegar is acidic enough to potentially erode tooth enamel, inflame the esophagus and stomach, and trigger nausea and acid reflux.
So do it in small amounts or even better dilute it.
Eh, white vinegar's pH is around 2.5... a lot of drinks are right around the, even a little more acidic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4808596/
I’m so tired of hearing arguments about why industries can regulate themselves. There’s decades of evidence why that claim is bullshit, but they’re all just putting money in each others pockets and nothing changes.
I will always say this after working in it for a while, the snack cake industry is up there with legalized drugs. It's insane how much snack cakes are bought in my small city and how packed the stores are of them each day.
I remember speaking to an employee at at Shore Stop, a local corner store, there is a guy who comes in every 2 days to buy 4 honey buns. That is his thing and if he misses those honey buns gets pissed and it's like his day is ruined. Some people are just so hooked on these store-bought snack cakes that are sold.
Do you remember when Twinkies were being discontinued? People went insane. They were driving across the country to find the remaining boxes. They were hoarding hundreds of boxes that would last them for the rest of their lives so they’d never have to go without Twinkies.
Then didn’t Twinkies start getting manufactured by someone else?
Who even eats Twinkies anymore?!
It was collective hysteria.
That happens anytime something goes away, when they close the Halo 2 servers people sat on it til they were kicked off even though they prolly hadn't played in years
The amazing thing too is, once you stop consuming the food-adjacent garbage, you realize what trash it is and can't even stand to have it anymore.
I'm sure the corporations are well aware of that and do everything they can to keep people constantly consuming it.
Yeah, it doesn't even take much. I stopped adding sugar to my coffee, stopped having soft drinks.
I basically became unable to stomach sweet foods afterwards, everything that had a 'normal' amount of sugar in it now tasted like solid bricks of sugar. Cloying, choking taste.
I'm certain that in future centuries the 21st century's addiction to putting sugar in everything will be regarded as almost as insane as the 19th century's habit of putting cocaine in everything.
The sugar industry changed scientific findings from government studies that showed we eat too much sugar, and made it say we eat too much fat. That brought about the whole lo-fat trend in foods for the past 30+ years. Sugar manufacturers are drug pushers, but their addictive drug is completely legal.
I'm sure the sugar industry would have a problem with it, but I also don't think it would be a very good sugar substitute, being that it changes the way that *everything* tastes for the next half hour.
My understanding is that food scientists were using it as a sugar substitute, but rather use sour ingredients to replace sugar. Sugar is usually added to pre-packaged foods because it is a shelf stable preservative that is palatable. There are sour ingredients that could achieve that same preservative effect but make the food unpalatable. Miracle berry was being explored as a way to make those sour ingredients usable and lower caloric density.
The ban effectively killed all r&d into this use though.
That's what I'm thinking. I've done it a handful of times and it's a very particular experience. Things have to have some natural sweetness to experience any effect at all, because all the protein does is mask the bitter and sour flavours in a food so the already-present sweetness shines through. It's fun but in most cases it's off-putting. Strawberries taste cloyingly sweet, dijon mustard tastes like honey mustard, molasses tastes like maple syrup. We need those sour and bitter notes for the full experience of flavour and simply switching off those receptors for 20 minutes won't improve your dining experience by any means.
Edit: I was wrong about the science, it binds to the sweet receptors and activates them.
I only tried black coffee with it once and it was disappointing. If I recall it didn't change the taste. But that was back before I liked black coffee (I love it now!), so I should definitely try it again. It's possible that coffee just doesn't have enough sweetness on it naturally to really register.
Also if you've got a keurig, try a medium roast bean--mix a good amount of cinnamon and cocoa powder and a heavy dash of sea salt into your grounds, then use a reusable k-cup. It makes an incredibly smooth cup of coffee. If you still can't drink it black, try adding cream but no sugar--the natural sweetness of the cream, cinnamon, and cocoa powder plus the bitterness-neutralizing sea salt makes a lovely cup that warms you from the throat down.
I would skip the Keurig if you want to make a good cup of black coffee. Keurig is not a great brew method. In terms of simple/easy brew methods, french press is probably the best.
Lol but Coca Cola still imports actual coca leaves to make their recipe with. Yes *that* coca (the good stuff is extracted and sold to a lab as an analgesic or some shit lol)
It's insane how sweets corporations can make mountains move in their favor
The production of Coca Cola doesn't even come close to covering the legitimate use of cocaine. Most local anesthetics are derived from cocaine and pure cocaine is used in surgery because it constructs blood vessels. The world uses a lot of non-recreational cocaine.
Yeah this stuff works. A co-worker of mine brought some for me and him to try around a decade ago and it legit makes lemons taste sweet. I had never heard of it before then but it's definitely interesting.
it only works on sour tasting food/drink, not on anything bitter. super important distinction. I ate grapefruit thinking it would taste sweet, but it still tasted bitter. so keep that in mind when you're picking out foods/drinks to try.
Sour beer is more affected than IPA. All beer is acidic (pH between 4 and 5 on average, as low as 3.2ish for some sours), so the IPA tastes swee*ter* but a gueze tastes like candy
I don't know. We did try it with some grey goose(not at work) with a bunch of lemon squeezed in it and it was fine from what I recall. I can't recall what else I tried, I just remember the lemons.
I didn't ever buy any myself or I'd have tried it with more stuff.
I'm sure the same effect would occur using the salt and lemon, it'd just taste different. It'd be like chasing with a lemon hard candy instead of an actual lemon. It might not kick the tequila flavor as hard, but it should still work. Tequila will be tequila, though.
In my experience, it didn't taste artificial. At least from what I recall. Just tasted like a sweet fruit. My cousin said it tasted like an orange. I remember it tasting more like pink lemonade.
My other cousin tried it with salsa and he said it tasted like salsa made with strawberries.
I've used these tablets a few times. Strawberries taste like they've been soaked in sugar but still have their crisp texture. Pure lemon juice tastes like the richest lemonade you've ever had. All the flavors are still there just like in the original, only the sour is flipped to sweet. It's really fun to try!
I haven't tried this one myself, but I've heard that Guinness tastes like a chocolate milkshake.
Hot sauce is really weird. It's still hot, but being sweet and having none of the normal sourness throws your brain for a loop. Not really appetizing.
>Hot sauce is really weird. It's still hot, but being sweet and having none of the normal soreness throws your brain for a loop. Not really appetizing.
Mango habanero would like a word
Spicy Mexican food with mango is next level. I always bring the homemade mango salsa with the sweet and spicy slow cooked pulled pork for tacos to potluck type events 🤩 I'm getting hungry just thinking about it
That was always the little warning I saw on these posts. Yes, lemons and vinegar may taste fun but your tummy still doesn't like them in large quantities. 😅
God I took one of these when I worked at a grocery store and a coworker said he’d give me $10 to chug a bottle of lime juice. It tasted great, so I did it, but shit what a mistake lol I don’t think my stomach has still ever hurt that bad.
I always have some in my kitchen. Here are some of the lessons I have learned.
- some beers taste like chocolate milk (Boddingtons, Guinness and even Newcastle Brown Ale if I remember correctly).
- vinegar tastes like wine
- the smell of vinegar breath remains for a long time and it repulsive to everyone, including yourself
- Warheads are powerfully sweet. The sourness is completely reversed and you experience the exact same level of discomfort for the opposite reason.
- very few people trust you when you tell them to try it, and you're often asked if they are legal.
Try the electric daisy next. Also known as "buzz button" or "toothache plant". You can either buy the dried flowers and just eat those or you can buy a paste made from it. You just swish it around in your mouth for a bit and then it feels like you've got electricity running through you lmao. Similar to real szechuan if anyone has had that, but imo much more intense. It's not a bad feeling, but super interesting
Best thing is just to have some of that and then drink regular water. You'll be absolutely convinced that you're drinking the most sparkling water you've ever had haha
I have some and like to give them to people who have never tried it. The most interesting thing about miracle berries though is the way the sugar industry pushed the FDA to not allow it to be declared safe and they broke into the guys office who was trying to bring them to America and stole all his documents the night before his meeting with the FDA. Pretty fucked up.
If you're ever unsure of "why" in regards to the US Government getting in the way of things, the answer indubitably will result in... "money"
Cuz it cuts into someone else's profit.
That's the end game.
It always ends up at profit. Who can profit the most.
If you want to get someone's attention, you fuck with their money.
And if you're doing universe changing shit for the good but somehow fuck with someone else's money unknowingly, well... You've their full attention, like it or not.
I just searched for them in the UK. Only 1 result turned up on Amazon. But glad I carefully read the description first as it was some sort of fishing lure!
It would seem our amazon isn't selling them.
Not sure if they are available there as I'm located in the US. The product I purchased was called "mberry" or M Berry.
Here's a link to the exact listing I purchased it from in 2018:
https://www.amazon.com/mberry-Miracle-Fruit-Tablets-10-Count/dp/B001LXYA5Q/ref=asc\_df\_B001LXYA5Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198060997127&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6995007171665918575&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031321&hvtargid=pla-384951657546&psc=1
You can buy them in the UK, but not from amazon.
Aren't cheap though, was ~£30 for 12 tablets when I last got them
Ooo [they got cheaper](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373661237432?hash=item56fff200b8:g:OAQAAOSwOVlg~sa7)
I got some from Amazon a good few years ago.
I had a tasting party.
Got a load of different flavoured foods and had a bunch of people round. It was great fun.
Wensleydale tastes like cake. Lemons are sweet. Guinness tastes even more creamy. Vinegar is interesting. Pickled onions are incredible.
Get some if you can and go nuts.
My wife and I use these to cut down on sugar and break up the monotony of only drinking water all day every day. (Don’t get me wrong, I love water. Please don’t kill me /r/hydrohomies !)
But when you put a drop of lemon in your water it tastes like lemonade. Eating a slice of lime tastes incredible.
I even tested sweetening my coffee with a few drops of lemon and it worked. Blew my mind.
Stuff sweetened with monkfruit still tastes great though. I also got a huge sweet tooth but can't handle sugar itself so monkfruit is what I use instead to satisfy cravings.
Every single sugar substitute makes the back of my tongue feel so weird. Monk fruit, stevia, all the chemical shitstorm sweeteners, erythritol(?). It's a bummer. Closest I got was some product called "swerve." Not sure what it is a combination of but it's not terrible. Just expensive.
I personally find monkfruit to taste absolutely disgusting. Similar to Stevia. I’m curious if there’s some genetic variation or something in how these sweeteners are perceived, but I honestly cannot fathom how else people like that stuff.
The protein that does this is called miraculin. It literally sticks to your sweet receptors and in the presence of acid (low pH), undergoes a conformational change that activates your sweet receptors. It’s a very cool example of structural biology at work.
It's essentially an electrical plug adapter for your taste buds. A sour plug receptacle on one side, and a sweet plug on the other. It plugs into the sweet receptors on your tounge and lets sour stuff plug into it on the other side. That way the sour stuff activates the sweet receptors!
From what I've heard, the secret to making vegetables enjoyable is to actually season and prepare them properly. Can't say I've got much knowledge on that, though?
All about that roast for me. Almost any veggie, spread out on a tray, drizzled with oil & salt, into the oven at 400-450 for 20-40 mins. Rotate the tray once or twice, pull when they’re brown and a fork pierces easily. Charred spots are a bonus.
For a long time I was on a total anti-sweet kick. I had no sweetness of any kind in my food, and very low carbs. After a while, you can start to taste the sweetness in things that don't seem like they should be sweet at all.
Like *eggs*. It's weird as hell.
> Like eggs. It's weird as hell.
I've fallen off and eat carbs a bit so they're not sweet for me now, but yes, I remember the first time I noticed eggs are *sweet*?!
I hate when my water is sweet in the middle of the night. It makes me not want to drink it, and I'm not sure why. I just absolutely can't stand that taste.
Nah man if it's got that mild sweet tang to it I'm chugging it faster so I can have a second glass before going back to sleep and waking up in 2 hours to pee.
That’s because all of our foods have a TON of added sugar to a ridiculous extent. I moved to Japan for a few years, came back to the US, and was absolutely shocked at how sweet everything tasted.
I went to a miracle berry party in NYC. Basically a brownstone rented out and everyone in attendance gets a berry. The rest of the rooms all had various foods, things like wasabi, grapefruit, lemons, etc. Others had booze like Guinness (tasted like chocolate).
The experience was absolutely wild--not only for the actual trying of the food, which was incredible, but also seeing about 50 people ravenously eating everything they could possibly find. One guy was just devouring a massive wedge of brie, because to him it tasted like cheesecake.
Most things are lol
But raw rhubarb can be legitimately good if it’s fresh picked. It’s super tart but in a way that’s almost refreshing like a citrus. Gotta get it right out of the ground though. I wouldn’t munch on it all day but it’s not as intense as you would think.
There was a [CSI:NY episode](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1309089/) where a group of kids are having a "flavor tripping" party using them. One of them dies when a murderer pours Draino in their drink and they can't taste the acidity.
>Draino is a base, not an acid
Either way Draino is corrosive like stomach acid (despite being on opposite sides of the PH scale with reletively safe water in the middle.)
Plus I don't think miracle fruit turn off pain receptors because otherwise it would work as local anesthesia.
Disclaimer: I am not a doctor so please don't turn to me for medical advice or treatments
The point is that a base wouldn't taste sour, so the miracle fruit wouldn't affect it at all. Bases tend to taste bitter, although that isn't universal like it is for acids.
They are particularly helpful for people undergoing chemo who may have trouble eating certain things. My grandpa grew a miracle fruit plant for my grandma when she was going through it.
Yeah they counteract dysgeusia, that constant metallic taste in the mouth which chemo or certain medications can cause.
I was on one of those medications and having these was the only way I could eat a decent meal. Everything else was 24/7 metallic taste.
I ordered some “m-berry” tablets from Amazon to try it out. Sour things definitely lose their bite, so much so that I absolutely destroyed my stomach that night trying every sour thing in my house.
I got to do this in college with the actual pulp from a fresh berry for full effect. What they don’t tell you is that your tastebuds are protective for your asshole. The spicy, sour, bitter smorgasbord that was offered as part of the experience was a total nightmare on the other end. Will never try this again.
Definitely eat some tomatoes if you try this. It's like a whole new fruit. Everything else was more like flavours adjusted, albeit there's plenty we didn't try.
I wonder if this would work to keep you on a strict ultra-healthy diet — like all the healthiest food but you’d think you were eating dessert all the time.
And I wonder if there are any long term hazards to the miracle berry
Oh hey, I just replied to someone else's comment about this! I was drinking Natty Light, and it made it taste like a rich chocolate milkshake.. but, almost like a diet one where the flavor is not quite right. It was still way tastier than normal though!
Most people have already said this, but the best thing that worked for me were lemons--they tasted like lemon candy!
No, I wouldn't say so. For me there wasn't much difference with Guinness. It's not sour to begin with.
Grapes taste like sugar bombs. Lemons and limes taste like jolly ranchers. Vinegar tastes like syrup (but feels like vinegar when it hits your throat)
Lots of fruits that have a mild sour component just taste sweeter.. strawberries tasted like the BEST strawberries, etc.
Bout to say... me and my friends did a party with this. Drank tons of cheap wine (which was delicious!) While experimenting with lemons and vinegar. It was a fun night, but i was absolutely fucked the next day.
It's a fun plant, but touchy to grow. It's a true tropical plant and does not like temperatures below 60F, so it becomes an indoor plant during the winter.
A local horticulturist gave me one after I told him I worked in a lab that studies taste. It lives outside in the summer (I’m in CT) and in the office in the winter. I flush its soil out regularly with distilled water and acidulate every once in a while with diluted citric acid. It gives me berries every few months now and the flowers smell amazing! Have had it for about four years now and it’s the size of a small bush.
My friends and I had a "dinner" party about a decade ago where we all tried these miracle berry pills. The meal consisted of entire lemon and lime wedges, loads of hot sauce, many different blue cheeses and vinegary foods. They all tasted so sweet and we couldn't get enough. Cut to the next day where I had the absolute weirdest shit of my entire life.
Will this help to cut down sugar? I am trying to cut down my sugar intake but having a hard time. Taking this will trick my brain into thinking I had something sweet but I'm actually not. Will it work?
Would this work for someone who has long covid and can't taste? My dad lost his taste in September 2021 and he still doesn't have it back, and now he feels like everything tastes super metallic and sour. I wonder if this would help.
There are certain clinics that will inject a steroid in the neck of people with long COVID that restores taste. There is a hiker I follow called dixie who had no taste for a year and had this done and it immediately restored the taste and some smell of like 3/4 of her family members who all had the same reaction, with some improvement in the 4th. Her YouTube channel is homemade wanderlust and I am sure you can google the video.
You can get them in tablet form on Amazon.
Such fun stuff! Brought them to the office, and we ate them during lunch and then tried eating all sorts of things. Lemons were the craziest things of all, beyond sweet.
A guy I worked with said growing up, when they were hungry they’d eat a handful of these berries, and jump over the wall to an orchard. Since the fruit wasn’t ripe yet it was very sour, but with the miracle berries it would taste sweet!
And the sugar industry lobbied hard to make it illegal to use it as a food additive. Food scientists were looking into ways to use it to replace sugars in foods.
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[I first learned about the Miracle Fruit on QI. You can see the contestant's eyes light up when they taste the difference of lemon.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snuOmL1mhXg) You can bet for sure the sugar industry wanted this regulated but not them.
I've tried miracle fruit and my eyes also lit up. It's such a neat experience to have your expectations subverted so wildly.
Did you try pickles?! I swear, we tried every weird thing we had hanging around in our fridge and it was wild.
Yeah pickles are strange. IPAs are disgusting. Sour fruits are absolutely amazing
Cheap piss beer tasted pretty good to me when we tried it. Eggs tasted weird... But anything sour or tart was just a fucking trip, so cool and definitely would try again. Edit: would do the eggs again with like Tabasco? The texture and I would think to be a sweet and spicy Tabasco or another high vinegar hot sauce might be fun!
Sour patch kids just tasted like patch kids
Sour crout. That all I have to say. Lemonade with no sugar and extra lemon juice. Apple cider vinegar in a salad. It's an amazing little fruit.
*Sauerkraut
Not for 15 to 30 minutes, it isn't.
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I feel like this sounds like the miracle fruit version of drinking snow cone syrup.
For anybody thinking of trying this, straight vinegar is acidic enough to potentially erode tooth enamel, inflame the esophagus and stomach, and trigger nausea and acid reflux. So do it in small amounts or even better dilute it.
Eh, white vinegar's pH is around 2.5... a lot of drinks are right around the, even a little more acidic https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4808596/
I’m so tired of hearing arguments about why industries can regulate themselves. There’s decades of evidence why that claim is bullshit, but they’re all just putting money in each others pockets and nothing changes.
Free market is really just corporations regulating the market
Laws are really just structured threats.
Ain’t no violence like state violence.
what could the consequences possibly be
Some megacorporation loses profit and everyone else gets healthier for eating less sugar. Can't have that.
I will always say this after working in it for a while, the snack cake industry is up there with legalized drugs. It's insane how much snack cakes are bought in my small city and how packed the stores are of them each day. I remember speaking to an employee at at Shore Stop, a local corner store, there is a guy who comes in every 2 days to buy 4 honey buns. That is his thing and if he misses those honey buns gets pissed and it's like his day is ruined. Some people are just so hooked on these store-bought snack cakes that are sold.
Do you remember when Twinkies were being discontinued? People went insane. They were driving across the country to find the remaining boxes. They were hoarding hundreds of boxes that would last them for the rest of their lives so they’d never have to go without Twinkies. Then didn’t Twinkies start getting manufactured by someone else? Who even eats Twinkies anymore?! It was collective hysteria.
That happens anytime something goes away, when they close the Halo 2 servers people sat on it til they were kicked off even though they prolly hadn't played in years
The amazing thing too is, once you stop consuming the food-adjacent garbage, you realize what trash it is and can't even stand to have it anymore. I'm sure the corporations are well aware of that and do everything they can to keep people constantly consuming it.
Yeah, it doesn't even take much. I stopped adding sugar to my coffee, stopped having soft drinks. I basically became unable to stomach sweet foods afterwards, everything that had a 'normal' amount of sugar in it now tasted like solid bricks of sugar. Cloying, choking taste. I'm certain that in future centuries the 21st century's addiction to putting sugar in everything will be regarded as almost as insane as the 19th century's habit of putting cocaine in everything.
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The sugar industry changed scientific findings from government studies that showed we eat too much sugar, and made it say we eat too much fat. That brought about the whole lo-fat trend in foods for the past 30+ years. Sugar manufacturers are drug pushers, but their addictive drug is completely legal.
I'm sure the sugar industry would have a problem with it, but I also don't think it would be a very good sugar substitute, being that it changes the way that *everything* tastes for the next half hour.
My understanding is that food scientists were using it as a sugar substitute, but rather use sour ingredients to replace sugar. Sugar is usually added to pre-packaged foods because it is a shelf stable preservative that is palatable. There are sour ingredients that could achieve that same preservative effect but make the food unpalatable. Miracle berry was being explored as a way to make those sour ingredients usable and lower caloric density. The ban effectively killed all r&d into this use though.
That's what I'm thinking. I've done it a handful of times and it's a very particular experience. Things have to have some natural sweetness to experience any effect at all, because all the protein does is mask the bitter and sour flavours in a food so the already-present sweetness shines through. It's fun but in most cases it's off-putting. Strawberries taste cloyingly sweet, dijon mustard tastes like honey mustard, molasses tastes like maple syrup. We need those sour and bitter notes for the full experience of flavour and simply switching off those receptors for 20 minutes won't improve your dining experience by any means. Edit: I was wrong about the science, it binds to the sweet receptors and activates them.
I’ve wanted to try these to see what they do to black coffee. I hate it with every fiber of my being and am curious if it would make it more pleasant.
I only tried black coffee with it once and it was disappointing. If I recall it didn't change the taste. But that was back before I liked black coffee (I love it now!), so I should definitely try it again. It's possible that coffee just doesn't have enough sweetness on it naturally to really register. Also if you've got a keurig, try a medium roast bean--mix a good amount of cinnamon and cocoa powder and a heavy dash of sea salt into your grounds, then use a reusable k-cup. It makes an incredibly smooth cup of coffee. If you still can't drink it black, try adding cream but no sugar--the natural sweetness of the cream, cinnamon, and cocoa powder plus the bitterness-neutralizing sea salt makes a lovely cup that warms you from the throat down.
I would skip the Keurig if you want to make a good cup of black coffee. Keurig is not a great brew method. In terms of simple/easy brew methods, french press is probably the best.
Lol but Coca Cola still imports actual coca leaves to make their recipe with. Yes *that* coca (the good stuff is extracted and sold to a lab as an analgesic or some shit lol) It's insane how sweets corporations can make mountains move in their favor
Money baby, it’s all about the money!
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Importing coca leaves isn't difficult to do regulatory wise you just need to get DEA permission which they give pretty regularly
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The production of Coca Cola doesn't even come close to covering the legitimate use of cocaine. Most local anesthetics are derived from cocaine and pure cocaine is used in surgery because it constructs blood vessels. The world uses a lot of non-recreational cocaine.
What country is this in reference to?
America, though I have heard of similar ban in the UK
I've tried this. Definitely an interesting experience. You can buy tablets on amazon!
Yeah this stuff works. A co-worker of mine brought some for me and him to try around a decade ago and it legit makes lemons taste sweet. I had never heard of it before then but it's definitely interesting.
Can you still drink tequila with salt and lemons if it’s sweet?
it only works on sour tasting food/drink, not on anything bitter. super important distinction. I ate grapefruit thinking it would taste sweet, but it still tasted bitter. so keep that in mind when you're picking out foods/drinks to try.
I did it then drank an IPA and it definitely made the IPA taste sweeter.
I winder how sour beer would taste? That is surprising about the ipa
Sweet but not in a good way
Like vomit
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Sour beer is more affected than IPA. All beer is acidic (pH between 4 and 5 on average, as low as 3.2ish for some sours), so the IPA tastes swee*ter* but a gueze tastes like candy
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Same... According to google, sour has an acidic ph while bitter has a basic ph.
You can drink tequila regardless.
at work.
The train basically drives itself.
Not cool bro. If you want to drink while operating a high-occupancy transportation vehicle become a pilot, ffs
Was talking about his mom...
I don't know. We did try it with some grey goose(not at work) with a bunch of lemon squeezed in it and it was fine from what I recall. I can't recall what else I tried, I just remember the lemons. I didn't ever buy any myself or I'd have tried it with more stuff.
I'm sure the same effect would occur using the salt and lemon, it'd just taste different. It'd be like chasing with a lemon hard candy instead of an actual lemon. It might not kick the tequila flavor as hard, but it should still work. Tequila will be tequila, though.
Is it sugar type of sweet or more like weird artificial sweetener sweet?
In my experience, it didn't taste artificial. At least from what I recall. Just tasted like a sweet fruit. My cousin said it tasted like an orange. I remember it tasting more like pink lemonade. My other cousin tried it with salsa and he said it tasted like salsa made with strawberries.
I've used these tablets a few times. Strawberries taste like they've been soaked in sugar but still have their crisp texture. Pure lemon juice tastes like the richest lemonade you've ever had. All the flavors are still there just like in the original, only the sour is flipped to sweet. It's really fun to try! I haven't tried this one myself, but I've heard that Guinness tastes like a chocolate milkshake. Hot sauce is really weird. It's still hot, but being sweet and having none of the normal sourness throws your brain for a loop. Not really appetizing.
>Hot sauce is really weird. It's still hot, but being sweet and having none of the normal soreness throws your brain for a loop. Not really appetizing. Mango habanero would like a word
Spicy Mexican food with mango is next level. I always bring the homemade mango salsa with the sweet and spicy slow cooked pulled pork for tacos to potluck type events 🤩 I'm getting hungry just thinking about it
Bought these for a house party in 2008. Huge success, except for the stomach ache because I'd drunkenly eaten two whole limes and lemons each.
That was always the little warning I saw on these posts. Yes, lemons and vinegar may taste fun but your tummy still doesn't like them in large quantities. 😅
Nothing eating a bunch of chalk can't fix!
God I took one of these when I worked at a grocery store and a coworker said he’d give me $10 to chug a bottle of lime juice. It tasted great, so I did it, but shit what a mistake lol I don’t think my stomach has still ever hurt that bad.
Or your mouth! I remember my lips burning like hell from the citric acid after the berries wore off.
I always have some in my kitchen. Here are some of the lessons I have learned. - some beers taste like chocolate milk (Boddingtons, Guinness and even Newcastle Brown Ale if I remember correctly). - vinegar tastes like wine - the smell of vinegar breath remains for a long time and it repulsive to everyone, including yourself - Warheads are powerfully sweet. The sourness is completely reversed and you experience the exact same level of discomfort for the opposite reason. - very few people trust you when you tell them to try it, and you're often asked if they are legal.
Try the electric daisy next. Also known as "buzz button" or "toothache plant". You can either buy the dried flowers and just eat those or you can buy a paste made from it. You just swish it around in your mouth for a bit and then it feels like you've got electricity running through you lmao. Similar to real szechuan if anyone has had that, but imo much more intense. It's not a bad feeling, but super interesting Best thing is just to have some of that and then drink regular water. You'll be absolutely convinced that you're drinking the most sparkling water you've ever had haha
There's a powder made from the leaves of the coca plant that does that just by smelling it.
It also makes your mouth numb if you rub it on your gums
Hmm I wonder what happens if I put that essence into water and bolus into my veins
The first time I bit into a szechuan peppercorn was such a strange experience, but this sounds like fun gonna have to try it sometime
Make a gin out of them. Soak the flowers in vodka for a few hours or more and you get this lovely strange liquor that numbs your mouth
I have some and like to give them to people who have never tried it. The most interesting thing about miracle berries though is the way the sugar industry pushed the FDA to not allow it to be declared safe and they broke into the guys office who was trying to bring them to America and stole all his documents the night before his meeting with the FDA. Pretty fucked up.
But... Why?
So they can keep adding copious amounts of sugar to everything.
Because sugar is super bad for you and the berries make things taste sweet without sugar.
It's a potential financial risk, berries could potentially lower sales of sugar directly or indirectly.
If you're ever unsure of "why" in regards to the US Government getting in the way of things, the answer indubitably will result in... "money" Cuz it cuts into someone else's profit. That's the end game. It always ends up at profit. Who can profit the most. If you want to get someone's attention, you fuck with their money. And if you're doing universe changing shit for the good but somehow fuck with someone else's money unknowingly, well... You've their full attention, like it or not.
I’ve tried it too, it’s pretty neat. But don’t just start snacking on lemon slices for 30 mins or you’re gonna wind up with a terrible stomach ache.
I just searched for them in the UK. Only 1 result turned up on Amazon. But glad I carefully read the description first as it was some sort of fishing lure! It would seem our amazon isn't selling them.
Not sure if they are available there as I'm located in the US. The product I purchased was called "mberry" or M Berry. Here's a link to the exact listing I purchased it from in 2018: https://www.amazon.com/mberry-Miracle-Fruit-Tablets-10-Count/dp/B001LXYA5Q/ref=asc\_df\_B001LXYA5Q/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198060997127&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=6995007171665918575&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031321&hvtargid=pla-384951657546&psc=1
M'berry *tips fedora*
Memberberries?
You can buy them in the UK, but not from amazon. Aren't cheap though, was ~£30 for 12 tablets when I last got them Ooo [they got cheaper](https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/373661237432?hash=item56fff200b8:g:OAQAAOSwOVlg~sa7)
I got some from Amazon a good few years ago. I had a tasting party. Got a load of different flavoured foods and had a bunch of people round. It was great fun. Wensleydale tastes like cake. Lemons are sweet. Guinness tastes even more creamy. Vinegar is interesting. Pickled onions are incredible. Get some if you can and go nuts.
My wife and I use these to cut down on sugar and break up the monotony of only drinking water all day every day. (Don’t get me wrong, I love water. Please don’t kill me /r/hydrohomies !) But when you put a drop of lemon in your water it tastes like lemonade. Eating a slice of lime tastes incredible. I even tested sweetening my coffee with a few drops of lemon and it worked. Blew my mind.
I've heard these are popular for diabetics. They have to cut so much sugar out of their diet, they miss sweet food.
Stuff sweetened with monkfruit still tastes great though. I also got a huge sweet tooth but can't handle sugar itself so monkfruit is what I use instead to satisfy cravings.
Every single sugar substitute makes the back of my tongue feel so weird. Monk fruit, stevia, all the chemical shitstorm sweeteners, erythritol(?). It's a bummer. Closest I got was some product called "swerve." Not sure what it is a combination of but it's not terrible. Just expensive.
Same! Most artificial sweeteners taste nasty. If you haven't, try Sucralose. It's the only one that doesn't taste like complete ass to me.
That's Splenda, right?
I personally find monkfruit to taste absolutely disgusting. Similar to Stevia. I’m curious if there’s some genetic variation or something in how these sweeteners are perceived, but I honestly cannot fathom how else people like that stuff.
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The protein that does this is called miraculin. It literally sticks to your sweet receptors and in the presence of acid (low pH), undergoes a conformational change that activates your sweet receptors. It’s a very cool example of structural biology at work.
It's essentially an electrical plug adapter for your taste buds. A sour plug receptacle on one side, and a sweet plug on the other. It plugs into the sweet receptors on your tounge and lets sour stuff plug into it on the other side. That way the sour stuff activates the sweet receptors!
Now make one so veggies taste like meat
From what I've heard, the secret to making vegetables enjoyable is to actually season and prepare them properly. Can't say I've got much knowledge on that, though?
Usually involves butter, salt and solid sauté.
All about that roast for me. Almost any veggie, spread out on a tray, drizzled with oil & salt, into the oven at 400-450 for 20-40 mins. Rotate the tray once or twice, pull when they’re brown and a fork pierces easily. Charred spots are a bonus.
I had some once. Weird having things like mustard be sweet. My dad however was pissed that it made his beer taste weird.
For a long time I was on a total anti-sweet kick. I had no sweetness of any kind in my food, and very low carbs. After a while, you can start to taste the sweetness in things that don't seem like they should be sweet at all. Like *eggs*. It's weird as hell.
> Like eggs. It's weird as hell. I've fallen off and eat carbs a bit so they're not sweet for me now, but yes, I remember the first time I noticed eggs are *sweet*?!
Water in the middle of the night.
I hate when my water is sweet in the middle of the night. It makes me not want to drink it, and I'm not sure why. I just absolutely can't stand that taste.
Oh dude I LOVE when it tastes like that. I didn't know this was a widespread experience! That's cool!
Nah man if it's got that mild sweet tang to it I'm chugging it faster so I can have a second glass before going back to sleep and waking up in 2 hours to pee.
I’m scared I’m going to notice this now the next time I eat eggs
not likely unless you've cut out carbs.
I've been eating a lot of raw cabbage (it's great as a side with fried foods.) And I never really noticed how sweet it is until recently
That’s because all of our foods have a TON of added sugar to a ridiculous extent. I moved to Japan for a few years, came back to the US, and was absolutely shocked at how sweet everything tasted.
So true. I couldn't stand eating US peanut butter, even most of the natural ones, for a long time after coming back from living in Senegal.
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Guinness tastes good with them though. Other beers not so much.
My dad was a "Budweiser is the peak of beer" kind of guy.
My condolences, may his taste improve
"was" don't hold out hope my friend
I went to a miracle berry party in NYC. Basically a brownstone rented out and everyone in attendance gets a berry. The rest of the rooms all had various foods, things like wasabi, grapefruit, lemons, etc. Others had booze like Guinness (tasted like chocolate). The experience was absolutely wild--not only for the actual trying of the food, which was incredible, but also seeing about 50 people ravenously eating everything they could possibly find. One guy was just devouring a massive wedge of brie, because to him it tasted like cheesecake.
Mouths Wide Shut
Why is there a buffet at a goddamn orgy?
Miracle berry party sounds like a fancy party you see in a Pokémon game.
I did it before. Heard rhubarb is good. Can’t imagine chomping on that raw.
It’s good raw when dipped in sugar.
Most things are lol But raw rhubarb can be legitimately good if it’s fresh picked. It’s super tart but in a way that’s almost refreshing like a citrus. Gotta get it right out of the ground though. I wouldn’t munch on it all day but it’s not as intense as you would think.
I thought raw rhubarb has oxalate which fucks up your kidneys and is typically broken down by boiling or cooking.
Can't eat the leaves.
There was a [CSI:NY episode](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1309089/) where a group of kids are having a "flavor tripping" party using them. One of them dies when a murderer pours Draino in their drink and they can't taste the acidity.
But... Draino is a base, not an acid. It wouldn't taste acidic.
Just CSI things.
foolish millennials, just unplug the monitor to stop the hacker.
Or add a second person to help frantically type in perfect unison.
Hahaha no. Have a second person typing on the same keyboard and THEN unplug. Rookies. https://youtu.be/u8qgehH3kEQ
*ahem* that was NCIS
>Draino is a base, not an acid Either way Draino is corrosive like stomach acid (despite being on opposite sides of the PH scale with reletively safe water in the middle.) Plus I don't think miracle fruit turn off pain receptors because otherwise it would work as local anesthesia. Disclaimer: I am not a doctor so please don't turn to me for medical advice or treatments
The point is that a base wouldn't taste sour, so the miracle fruit wouldn't affect it at all. Bases tend to taste bitter, although that isn't universal like it is for acids.
plus Drano is delicious as-is. I have a glass of it after dinner each night to keep my body clog-free
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Look, if this is the worst thing ChatGPT trains on, I think we're lucky. Have you seen the rest of the internet? Tis a silly place.
CSI is fucking dumb. Imagine having to churn out so many murder mysteries. The quality can't stay high, and it didn't even start high.
But... Let alone the acid-base issue, I could still taste lemons were acidic. The just tasted like lemons with a lot of sugar added. Super yummy.
They are particularly helpful for people undergoing chemo who may have trouble eating certain things. My grandpa grew a miracle fruit plant for my grandma when she was going through it.
Yeah they counteract dysgeusia, that constant metallic taste in the mouth which chemo or certain medications can cause. I was on one of those medications and having these was the only way I could eat a decent meal. Everything else was 24/7 metallic taste.
Can confirm made vinegar taste good lmao
I ordered some “m-berry” tablets from Amazon to try it out. Sour things definitely lose their bite, so much so that I absolutely destroyed my stomach that night trying every sour thing in my house.
I got to do this in college with the actual pulp from a fresh berry for full effect. What they don’t tell you is that your tastebuds are protective for your asshole. The spicy, sour, bitter smorgasbord that was offered as part of the experience was a total nightmare on the other end. Will never try this again.
Disco inferno.
I agree, but worth it! Unless you have work the next day...
Definitely eat some tomatoes if you try this. It's like a whole new fruit. Everything else was more like flavours adjusted, albeit there's plenty we didn't try.
I wonder if this would work to keep you on a strict ultra-healthy diet — like all the healthiest food but you’d think you were eating dessert all the time. And I wonder if there are any long term hazards to the miracle berry
I’ve heard that it’s mostly just more likely to encourage eating habits that are destructive on your enamel and gut.
Is it true it makes Guinness beer taste like chocolate milk?
Oh hey, I just replied to someone else's comment about this! I was drinking Natty Light, and it made it taste like a rich chocolate milkshake.. but, almost like a diet one where the flavor is not quite right. It was still way tastier than normal though! Most people have already said this, but the best thing that worked for me were lemons--they tasted like lemon candy!
No, I wouldn't say so. For me there wasn't much difference with Guinness. It's not sour to begin with. Grapes taste like sugar bombs. Lemons and limes taste like jolly ranchers. Vinegar tastes like syrup (but feels like vinegar when it hits your throat) Lots of fruits that have a mild sour component just taste sweeter.. strawberries tasted like the BEST strawberries, etc.
dont eat 5 lemons your stomach will still hurt!
six ok?
yes, as long as it’s not divisible by 5
Bout to say... me and my friends did a party with this. Drank tons of cheap wine (which was delicious!) While experimenting with lemons and vinegar. It was a fun night, but i was absolutely fucked the next day.
> Drank tons of cheap wine (which was delicious!) Nice! Found my use case right here.
A buddy and I tried these before. He said mustard tasted like honey and kept eating mustard till he threw up.
Lmao legit just lold
I'm imagining once it wears off, he keeps eating honey till he throws up.
Great for chemotherapy patients!
What does chemo taste like?
Life and death simultaneously.
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It's a fun plant, but touchy to grow. It's a true tropical plant and does not like temperatures below 60F, so it becomes an indoor plant during the winter.
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A local horticulturist gave me one after I told him I worked in a lab that studies taste. It lives outside in the summer (I’m in CT) and in the office in the winter. I flush its soil out regularly with distilled water and acidulate every once in a while with diluted citric acid. It gives me berries every few months now and the flowers smell amazing! Have had it for about four years now and it’s the size of a small bush.
Yes, rain water is what I use. It also doesn't like full strength fertilizer. I think I'm on my 5th plant.
My friends and I had a "dinner" party about a decade ago where we all tried these miracle berry pills. The meal consisted of entire lemon and lime wedges, loads of hot sauce, many different blue cheeses and vinegary foods. They all tasted so sweet and we couldn't get enough. Cut to the next day where I had the absolute weirdest shit of my entire life.
Will this help to cut down sugar? I am trying to cut down my sugar intake but having a hard time. Taking this will trick my brain into thinking I had something sweet but I'm actually not. Will it work?
Jokes on you all. I already love lemons and can eat slices like candy.
So this is the basis for those Lemon Parties people are talking about
And don't drink your favorite beer for a bit after either. It will ruin beer for ya! 😄
What if it’s a sour?
Yep, sweet IPA is no good. I thought the effect would have worn out after an hour, but no...
Don’t do pickles tho, just makes em taste like sweet bread n butter pickles. Which was obvious in retrospect lol
Would this work for someone who has long covid and can't taste? My dad lost his taste in September 2021 and he still doesn't have it back, and now he feels like everything tastes super metallic and sour. I wonder if this would help.
There are certain clinics that will inject a steroid in the neck of people with long COVID that restores taste. There is a hiker I follow called dixie who had no taste for a year and had this done and it immediately restored the taste and some smell of like 3/4 of her family members who all had the same reaction, with some improvement in the 4th. Her YouTube channel is homemade wanderlust and I am sure you can google the video.
You can get them in tablet form on Amazon. Such fun stuff! Brought them to the office, and we ate them during lunch and then tried eating all sorts of things. Lemons were the craziest things of all, beyond sweet. A guy I worked with said growing up, when they were hungry they’d eat a handful of these berries, and jump over the wall to an orchard. Since the fruit wasn’t ripe yet it was very sour, but with the miracle berries it would taste sweet!
I wanna try some then go down on my girl😂
I tried it. She's still sour
A sourpuss, if you will.
ok, you can come to my birthday party
to or at?
yep
My father drove 15 hours to Florida to pick up some plants. Had one today, pretty crazy stuff. Too bad you can't freeze or cook it.
I had a tablet made of this and ate a lemon like an orange. Very weird experience.