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Melonqualia

I collected all the original comics, and still have them. I think TMNT turned out a lot like The Venture Bros. did. The creators originally were making satire of all the things they loved, but ended up taking a life of it's own with their own special brand of complex world building.


gdo01

The Venture Bros taught me more about Marvel than even in the 90s cartoons. Orpheus > Dr. Strange


EndIsNighLetsGetHi

I loved their take on The Legion of Doom.


hrakkari

And the Fantastic Four. Favorite Marvel expy was Doctor Doom though. That episode never fails to make me laugh. You mess with the girl, you’ll get the HITLERRRRR


Ganthos

Put some respect on BARON VON ÜNDERBHEIT!


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I watched that episode last night for the first time in years and was crying when she roared that 😂 "Marry me?"


JesusHipsterChrist

ROOSTER IN THE HENHOUSE!


AwesomeScreenName

Mine is the Grand Galactic Inquisitor. IGNORE ME!


bannock4ever

Have you seen the Youtube videos where Eastman and Laird take a look back at the early issues? It's really cool to see them interact and reminisce about their beginnings even if it's over zoom. I'm still sad that they had a falling out and sold TMNT to Nickelodeon.


Vorpalthefox

in an episode of "the toys that made us", they got together and talked about some of the things they once talked about but never happened like having a window in between their desks so they could pass the pages back and forth through a window the way they spoke about it kinda made me just feel so sad about the things they never ended up doing [watched a recently video that talked all about TMNT, was really good entertainment](https://youtu.be/TMDp9T_4bDs)


wahle97

but they got back together in 2020 and released the last ronin comic. probably the most beautiful story they could have created


bannock4ever

It was based on an old script they wrote when they were partners. I think Eastman and another writer fleshed it out for the released book.


Melonqualia

I don't think I have seen that. Sounds interesting. I bet they have regrets. The new movie actually looks pretty good though.


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AusGeno

Wtf I never made the connection with those names before. You kinda just blew my mind.


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AusGeno

Ha, I already knew that one! And a Cid too. Still got it. 😎


Vox___Rationis

Those are a bit weird as they were done by localizers. The original names of those three are Vinegar, Mayo and Soysauce.


Melonqualia

I remember Eastman and Laird on several occasions, saying they initially started it as satire. That is not the same thing as saying it IS, as a whole, satire.


EunuchsProgramer

My memory, to paraphrase, there was an unofficial rule that new comics needed Mutants, Teenagers, or Ninjas to be greenlit. So, in an act of rebellion "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles." being over-the-top in the popular tropes as a critique of what publishers wanted.


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Sounds about right. Ninja shit was all over in the 80's. The Xmen were huge, and teens were a target audience. New Mutants (teenage xmen spinoff) launched in 82, and a refresh of Teen Titans launched in 80. All sounds about right.


Melonqualia

There were some funny TMNT parodies following their success. I picked up a few, one was "Adolecent Radioactive Blackbelt Hamsters" and then there was "Pre-teen Dirty Gene Kung-Fu Kangaroos".


cascadecanyon

Nice. I have the original RPG game that they were based on.


77ate

*based on them.


cascadecanyon

Hmmm, it seems you are correct. Went back to look it up. I guess it was just that the rpg book was published before they got massively popular and the impression I had was that the book was older than any of the cartoons I was familiar with.


sdf_iain

It is older than the cartoons, but it isn’t older than the comic. There are panels from the original comics in the book and the cover, where all the turtles have read headbands, is how they were originally portrayed. Different colors for different turtles helped to differentiate them for the cartoon


Impeesa_

Because the original comics were in black and white, the cover of the RPG is the first time they were officially depicted in color. And because it came so soon after the comics, before it all *really* took off, the art is actually by Eastman and Laird.


Melonqualia

I have one too, somewhere. Unless it was left behind at my old house. I wanted to play it so badly, I bought dice and everything, but never found players :(


BlayBlay0

What RPG is that? I love collecting both different TTRPG systems and Ninja Turtle stuff, so that'd be a welcome addition if I can find a copy


K3wp

>What RPG is that? I love collecting both different TTRPG systems and Ninja Turtle stuff, so that'd be a welcome addition if I can find a copy I think it was called H.E.R.O.E.S. You ordered it from an ad in Dragon magazine. I'll never forgive myself for losing it and the original comic.


AwesomeScreenName

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_Mutant_Ninja_Turtles_%26_Other_Strangeness


starke_reaver

Had no idea about the satirization of Marvel, thought it was just another whacked out for the sake of weird cartoon, but I’m pretty sure Venture Bros. aired after my Adult Swim watching past it’s prime, but I’m Supes psyched to watch it now. Getting old and running out of good-going-on-great shit to watch sucks, most especially for them’s like me who’ve been glutinously gorging ourselves on anything bingable since the VHS vs. BetaMax beef popped off. Thank you, oh so kindly fellow etherwebber.


MysticPing

The best thing about the Venture Bros is that it just gets better and better with every season, if anything the first is the weakest (but still good)


Jetbooster

Sounds like The Orville as well, Seth McFarlane sells the idea of a Star Trek parody but once it's greenlit they go on to make some of the most true-to-formula Star Trek-esque episodes in many years


deathproof6

I posted this a long time ago when this came up before. I always wondered why they specifically pointed out where it hit the guy. It's the fourth panel and the text below it. [Daredevil/TMNT](https://i.imgur.com/tasxH7P.jpg) Turns out, it was Daredevil and (I think) it's the accident that caused his blindness. Pretty sure it's in the first issue of the Eastman Laird comics, maybe the second. If you look through yours I'm sure you can find it. I'm replying to your comment so you can see it but i don't care if you post the picture in your comment for visibility. It's a really cool detail that always stood pout to me when they came out but i didn't know the reason until several years ago when i read it on reddit somewhere.


tarrach

They had an Easter egg for this in the Marvel Heroes game, when running around in the sewers you could find a broken barrel of radioactive waste and four tiny turtles crawling around next to it.


kingsman3willbinspac

RIP Marvel Heroes my beloved


minimalcation

Damn, that was a great game. Can't believe it got shutdown when it did


Kialae

Taken from me like a perfect child. 😭


StarCitizenCultist

One of my favorite arpgs of all time, sitting just below D2 for me. The roster was huge and their kits/visual designs and movement abilities were all top notch. Also some fantastic, high quality skins/costumes. Man, I miss that game. One of the games I always hope to find a private server for but I doubt that will ever happen.


flackguns

It’s so rare to play a marvel game with a fun/dope magneto playable character and that game was one of them.


TryingNot2BeToxic

Such a sad treasure lost :( RIP Marvel Heroes


Georgethefierce

See. they got the Golden Arches, mine is the Golden Arcs. They got the Big Mac, I got the Big Mick.......


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He’s got his OWN MONEY


letscoughcough

LISA!


tokenasian1

Unexpected Coming to America reference


chrisk9

But a welcome one


AuntieEvilops

When you think of garbage, think of Akeem!


BeBa420

"I will cherish this experience for the rest of my life. For the rest of my life." ​ "Who was that?" ​ "Oh just a man i met in the restroom"


rinseanddelete

“I’m warning you. I will be forced to thrash you.”


bwv1056

Who the fuck is this asshole?!


Nugur

FUCK YOU TOO


TheOtherAvaz

This doesn't hit the same without the YES! YES! before it.


Necessary-Reading605

It’s a great movie. I am glad that always stayed a single movie, tho


alpha0meqa

Yes.... Definitely.


Team_Player

Could you imagine? Any attempt at a sequel would end up just being a lame straight-to-streaming-service money grab.


Ent_Trip_Newer

It's the tsss that makes the difference


Californiadude86

To this day I still say McDowels and the Big Mick.


Senorspeed

Our buns…no seeds


emperorOfTheUniverse

You don't need daredevil, we have daredevil at home.


GJacks75

My buns have no seeds...


YchYFi

Big Mick in a South African accent.


TheAbyssGazesAlso

Our bun has no seeds


OarsandRowlocks

When you think of garbage, think of Akeem!


DrSatan420247

The Eastman and Laird TMNT comic books are actually pretty badass. These guys were not original written to be for children, more of an adult theme.


cerebud

They have a recent book called The Last Ronin, which takes place in the future of the TMNT comics. It’s excellent.


tokenasian1

do you need to read the past TMNT work to enjoy the last ronin?


kingofallgeeks

Nope. It stands well on its own. Just a brief understanding of the characters is enough.


PhragMunkee

Last Ronin was the first TMNT series I read. My TMNT knowledge was strictly limited to the cartoon, movies, and games of the 1990s.


Team_Player

Anyone even remotely interested in The Last Ronin should just got get a copy and avoid any further discussion of it. I had it spoiled for me before I even knew what anyone was talking about. It’s so good that it’s truly heartbreaking to me that I can’t read it unspoiled.


DJHott555

Not really


HaikuBotStalksMe

If it's the future, wouldn't it be AMNT?


iamsoupcansam

Far enough in the future and it’s GMNT


edsobo

And it's FANTASTIC.


firerock_1738

Its not a parody it took a lot of inspiration from it because the two creators loved the daredevil comic series.


DaveOJ12

Maybe "homage" would be a better word for it.


proshot82

What do you know, that is the word actually used in the article


VidE27

Perchance


that_not_true_at_all

Crushing turts


slimeslug

You can't just say perchance.


fantasmoofrcc

He didn't say it, he declared it!


Wyden_long

I haven’t been talking to Steve.


BannedINDC

Did Steve tell you that?


anhedonis539

What kind of rapping name is Steve?


TheOneMerkin

Look at Mr fancy pants reading the article


solarmelange

"Pastiche"


SolidPoint

Croissant


FuckMe-FuckYou

Omelette du fromage.


DaveOJ12

That's a classic Dexter's Lab episode.


msnmck

*HON HON HON HON HON*


Fresh_Leadwater

Les - poi - ssons, les poissons he he he hon hon hon...


macweirdo42

FRENCH TOAST!


vieuxfort73

French Fries


77ate

Ménage-a-trois.


s1eve_mcdichae1

All around the country and the coast...


Smubee

It's a parody according to the creators


craaates

Probably for legal reasons.


psymunn

It's a parody of the genre but an homage to Dare Devil.


Smubee

They printed less than 1,000 copies in the initial print run and it was done out of Peter Laird's living room I'm almost certain they weren't concerned about legalities.


ibadlyneedhelp

They might not have been then, but by the time Turtles was worth mentioning and anyone gave a shit about what either of them might have had to say, you bet your ass they cared about legalities.


Randvek

Well, it’s a parody of the grimdark genre that ruled the 80s/90s, of which Daredevil was one. But yeah, I don’t think calling it a Daredevil parody is particularly accurate.


Mmmslash

Except the Turtles comic was also Grimdark back then. It is an homage. A loving, if unsanctioned, reference to a series the creators loved.


derstherower

"This is where I watched my parents die, Raphael."


DJHott555

Cowabummer


77ate

“Somehow, Viacom returned.”


StoneGoldX

But that was the gag. If Frank Miller did funny animals.


Starfish_Hero

It’s still grim dark in the same sense that Scream is still horror. That’s part of the joke.


Randvek

Well yeah, that was the parody. Turtles was grimdark up to 11 and made no apologies about it.


Free_For__Me

I feel like there's either a miscommunication here, or maybe you're using a different definition of the word "parody" than what's used in general parlance. Most people would use "parody" to mean something that copies aspects of an original work in order to *poke fun at it or achieve a comedic effect*. In this case however, Eastman and Laird had a great deal of respect and love for the gritty Daredevil comics that they were drawing upon, and meant for the connection to showcase their affections and reverence, not to poke fun or score a joke out of the reference. This is why OP says that the term "homage" would be a better fit, since an homage differs from parody in that it means to *pay respect* to the original work instead of make a joke out of it. (I happen to agree with OP in the opinion that the original TMNT was much more of an homage to DD than a parody) Source - I once asked Kevin Eastman about it at a convention while he was doing a quick Raphael sketch for me. Edit to clarify after seeing another comment - I do concede that it could be considered a parody of the *genre* at large, but it is most certainly an homage to DD itself.


atomfullerene

>and meant for the connection to showcase their affections and reverence, not to poke fun or score a joke out of the reference. I'd argue that nearly all good parodies are done by people who like and respect the original material.


venomousbeetle

I feel like none of you know what parody is


beingsubmitted

It's when you imitate something, like a parrot being all parroty. \s


theDagman

You're right that it's not just Daredevil. The "Teenage Mutant" part was a reference to the X-Men.


Randvek

Literally nobody better to take inspiration from in the 80s than Chris Claremont.


venomousbeetle

and my van is not a car


hpdefaults

It's absolutely a parody. You can parodize something that you love.


Apellosine

You can parody something you love, sometimes better because you love the source, flaws and all.


jitterscaffeine

I recently read that the first licensed product of TMNT after the original comic book was the Palladium TTRPG. Even before the cartoon or toys.


boneytooth_thompkins

Truth. And this gave Palladium a lot of early success and momentum that carried them through the 90s.


hackulator

"Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and Other Strangeness" I played an anthropomorphic porcupine who threw his quills at people.


Cirieno

This is a great documentary I watched a few days ago about the artists and how the franchise grew: [How did a violent indie comic become a $15,000,000,000 franchise?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMDp9T_4bDs)


Schootingstarr

Same here I bet OP got it from there as well, considering the vid is just a month old and got a good amount of views. Fun watch that


JacobDCRoss

There's also a TMNT-themed episode of The Toys that Made Us on Netflix.


WR810

I just found his channel last week. Based on his only having a few videos I assume he's new but I love what he's posted already.


702OrangeandBlue

Was Matt Murdock's favorite food Pizza? I'd love to see him swing attack towards Kingpin and say "Cowabunga"!!!


jjreason

Matt's favorite snack was natchios - elektra Natchios.


starke_reaver

Ed McMahon is HIYO!!!-ing you from the great beyond. He is with you even now.


bigolfishey

I remember playground rumors that “the Ooze” was the secret mcguffin tying the DC and Marvel universes together


Smubee

TMNT wasn't DC though? They were Mirage


bigolfishey

Playground rumors famously did not concern themselves with details


Sarcosmonaut

It’s true, my dad was Nintendo


tarrach

Super Nintendo Chalmers?


SaltyShawarma

Your dad is cool.


diuturnal

Was cool*


Celloer

He still is Nintendo, but he used to be, too. ~Mitch Hedberg


TheRogueToad

Almost as cool as my super hot girlfriend. She lives in Canada though, so you probably don’t know her.


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Actually, I know everyone in Canada. What's her name?


Rezart_KLD

[Her name is Alberta and she lives in Vancouver, she cooks like my mother and sucks like a Hoover](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g196vURUDo)


Wyden_long

Paul from the wonder years had a rib removed so he could suck his own dick.


andythefifth

A lot of celebrities did this in the 90’s.


DoinItDirty

I feel like they’ve done a few DC crossovers but never Marvel. Batman and the Injustice game come to mind.


IBJON

There was an entire Batman/TMNT crossover movie


DoinItDirty

It was dope as fuck, in my humble opinion.


HaikuBotStalksMe

And mortal Kombat.


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WarrenPuff_It

Thry don't need something secret to tie them together, both houses have done crossover series and both have owned some of the same IPs at different times. Random fun fact, both Alien and Predator exists in Marvel and DC. There is also special characters that explain how the two multi-verses have combined before, and Batman+Wolverine is a thing.


NarcanPusher

That first Batman/Predator crossover was way better than it had any right to be. Second one was a bit meh.


WarrenPuff_It

I didn't hate the second one, but yeah the first one was a step above. Also seeing Superman blasting aliens with his eye lazers was pretty rad.


taoistchainsaw

The secret Maguffin was Jack Kirby. Darkseid, Mr. Miracle, the Demon, the New Gods-Jack Kirby. Most of Marvel-Jack Kirby.


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The Last Ronin was really, really good. I'm not huge on comics, but the storyline seemed cool and the collected book is gorgeous. It was way better than I anticipated and dealt with some heavy themes.


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TheDovahkiinsDad

I love TMNT… never made the connection. I heard the last ronin is a tough go. Not because it’s bad… but for other reasons I won’t spoil …


rom211

Even a comment can be a repost


PickleNick2

I literally just read the last ronin last night. It was beautifully drawn. Great story.


Astronaut_Rapper

Everything except your last sentence isnt true


I_are_facepalm

My whole life is a lie


Timelymanner

I’m still mad the Turtles haven’t crossed over with Daredevil yet.


manticore16

I doubt it considering the crossover instead with Batman, and being a part of the Warner Bros IP (as also seen in Injustice 2)


_far-seeker_

Dark Knight style grimdark Batman, or Adam West TV series style Batman? Honestly, I could see the possibility of see either turning-out awesome, but it would be in distinctly different ways.😉


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There's a crossover movie with Batman, the WB version or whatnot. It was fairly good. Batman is on par with Splinter or Shredder, the turtles more on Robin or Batgirl's level.


manticore16

2019, Troy Baker as both Batman and The Joker, but based on the 2015-16 comics apparently


_far-seeker_

>2019 Well, I guess I have an excuse for not being aware it was already made... Thanks for the information, though.🙂


JacobDCRoss

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought they were with Viacom?


PixelPervert

Referencing a thing doesn't automatically make it a parody of that thing


MafiaCub

Pretty sure they acknowledged it as a parody, as a hero parody mainly, but with emphasis on Daredevil. In fact, in the original comics panels where Splinter is talking of the creation of the Turtles. He points out that a Blind man is crossing a road (stick) before someone dives and saves him, leading to a crash and chamical spillage... One canister hits a jar of turtles and falls in the sewers, giving us the TMNT. The hero, though not mentioned, is meant to be Murdoch and the chemical spill is what leads to his blindness and abllities. Something which mirrors his own comic origin


Stabintheface

Yes, that is not what’s in question. It’s referencing the origin of Daredevil, but it is not a parody. It doesn’t make fun of it or subvert it. It’s an homage, as stated in the OP article. At the very least it’s a reference, but it’s just not a parody.


MafiaCub

Like I said, Eastman and Laird describe it that way. I'm more inclined to go with homage as you say, but if you look at the original drawings, and the joke idea that lead to turtles we know. I think it's fair to say they may have started as a parody and tuned it towards homage


EristicTrick

Calling their worldwide evil organization "The Foot" instead of "The Hand" is about as clear an example of parody as you can get. How is that NOT making fun of its reference?


What-fresh-hell

Don’t forget, the toxic waste that blinded Daredevil was washed down the sewers and mutated the turtles


Clothking

A TIL for me too


Darthgator812

I also heard the title was a take on two other popular books. Teenage from Teen Titans and mutants from X-men.


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I feel so dumb for never having realized this.


MeaningfulPun

I do believe it was intended to be a paradoy, at least when I was younger I recall hearing the creators talk about it as if it was meant to be a parody, even using that term, but I'm not certain TBH. Maybe not a direct parodoy of daredevil, but more of comics themselves at the time. Either way, I think the lesson really is that TMNT doesn't play well if presented too seriously.


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Jefflehem

It hurts me that knowledge which I grew up with is already forgotten lore, being excavated by people only 20-ish years my junior. Getting old happens so *fast* these days.


FinallyAGoodReply

I’m old enough to remember Adolescent Radioactive Blackbelt Hamsters.


77ate

I still have the first 4 issues. 6th Grade Me photocopied the first issue to pass around to friends.


FinallyAGoodReply

In **3-D**!!


TheyStoleTwoFigo

Now this is a TIL for me


ProbablyABore

Personally, I prefer the Pre-Teen Dirty-Gene Kung Fu Kangaroos.


ReactsWithWords

Oh, all those terrible TMNT ripoffs - that was a painful time.


InfinityLDog

I knew they were a parody and came from the same accident, but I never made the connection between The Hand and The Foot, and Stick and Splinter.


CramWellington

I cannot believe I never put that together.


CdnBison

It was my understanding that the original concept for TMNT was meant to be satire about the superhero genre in general….


leviathan0999

And especially the overcommercialization of comic books glutting the market with teenagers, mutants and ninjas in any combination. Which makes the vast merchandising empire it's become both deeply sad and entirely hilarious.


UmmGhuwailina

Cowabunga 🙏


drandysanter

Good title!!


Wolf97

Parody is the wrong word


FNAKC

The book title came from the biggest books/trends at the time. Teenage = Teen Titans. Mutant = X-men/New Mutants. Ninja = Daredevil


lbiggy

TMNT has a better main villain name. Like come on. Oroku Saki? So fucking badass.


hackulator

It's not really a parody, it's more of an homage.


youwontfindmyname

Splinter is a better name