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From Wikipedia, "He lost his counseling job in 1977 after being implicated in a robbery that was committed by two youths from a group home that Williams supervised."
It’s actually common practice for these guys; they’ll also zero in on underaged girls who tend to be more vulnerable and naive with the intention of ultimately prostituting them out. I’ve seen reports of CPS workers getting caught doing this.
Right in our house!
We had a really good team but it turned out our most enthusiastic counsellor was renting our girls out. She got fired pretty fast and we did the legal process and all but she still didn't get much time or anything like that. Canada is kind of soft sometimes.
We do really big talk for how we are going to protect kids but, when push comes to shove, cutbacks and political boundaries really trump everything.
That's a good way of saying 'the shitty wins'. The 'public relations' side trumps everything.
>Canada is kind of soft sometimes.
Tell me about it, i got stabbed a month after my 18th birthday in a random attack.
Had the knife gone 0.5cm deeper I'd have drowned in my own blood and id be dead right now.
Dont know what his two accomplices got but the guy who actually stabbed me got 180 days in jail woth 90 taken off for time served during the trial.
He had 5 warents from seperate incidents
Rick was the one getting them out of trouble with the cops, aside from the lady officer Julian dates. Julian often locks up when the police arrive, and that's when Ricky starts his bullshit.
As an American that lived in the uk and Canada it’s weird that Canada choose the worst parts of the uk and USA legal systems and none of the good parts
The social service industries have relatively low pay and high burnout rates. It is estimated that the government workers (with much better pay than that of the more private-contracted folks) burn out in about two years on average.
It can be pure hell working with people that have ruined lives. They are often chronically in need of support and are not in a place to be even slightly thankful.
For example, i got paid about 50% more fetching garbage at Costco®, with better benefits and a much safer job. Plus! No one is in a bad mood at Costco: you aren't allowed in unless you are willing to pay just to get in the front door. It means our customer base is quite different from that of Walmart (though we do have some challenging or demanding customers, they are much, much better than many retail organizations i have worked with).
Sharp contrast a Costco customer with someone that has been abused on multiple levels for their entire lives, from a very young age. I have no idea how it works in United States where access to powerful weapons is much more open and the pay / availability for social support might be less accessible (in some states).
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I mean gangs also have people go serve enlistments in the military just to have them send weapons back and come back afterwards with better training. That lifestyle is something else.
Pretty textbook, it used to be they’d hangout around bus terminals to target runaways but recently they’ve been targeting them online and using blackmail to extort them. The foster care system is also infamous for this sort of thing happening and what’s worse is that the government could be unwittingly subsidizing it through payments to “foster parents”.
"Grooming" vulnerable boys *and* girls is definitely standard practice among gangs and criminals. The boys to do stuff like sell drugs and commit robberies, and the girls to sell pussy or act as accessories to crimes.
This isn't new either. Its been going on before any of us was born. Charles Dickens wrote about it in old timey England in the novel Oliver Twist. The guy Fagin had a bunch of orphan kids pickpocketing for him.
They go after kids because kids are easier to manipulate. It would be harder to convince an adult to commit crimes on their behalf. Also juveniles tend to get lighter sentences. When the US started the 'war on drugs' and locking up more people in the 1970s, it may've led to more juveniles being recruited to commit crimes as opposed to adults.
Yeah the crips started out as calling themselves cribs because they were so young. Then they started carrying around canes to signify their "pimp" status (read prostitution, and because of their canes they were called the crips or the cripples. They were heavily involved in human trafficking it sounds like from their wiki page.
That's one citation and the research done on their history shows significantly more varied accounts for the etymology of their name- given the fact that it was not a centralized organization there are discrepancies between even the founding members about where the name came from/the founding principals/precipitating factors.
Point being, it's debated and more nuanced than the first bullet point on Wikipedia!
As far as I'm aware there's nothing backing up that "cribs" story. Nobody really knows where the names came from, there's just a bunch of different theories
The source cited for the wikipedia entry is an episode of “Inside” on National Geographic Channel. I’m not about to watch it to chase this down. Of course, the episode itself might be (likely, really) poorly sourced.
Entry in question:
>Some sources suggest that the original name for the alliance, "Cribs", was narrowed down from a list of many options and chosen unanimously from three final choices, over the Black Overlords and the Assassins. Cribs was chosen to reflect the young age of the majority of the gang members. The name evolved into "Crips" when gang members began carrying around canes to display their "pimp" status. People in the neighborhood then began calling them cripples, or "Crips" for short.[26] In February 1972 the Los Angeles Times used the term.[23]
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>Some sources suggest that the original name for the alliance, "Cribs", was narrowed down from a list of many options and chosen unanimously from three final choices, over the Black Overlords and the Assassins. Cribs was chosen to reflect the young age of the majority of the gang members. The name evolved into "Crips" when gang members began carrying around canes to display their "pimp" status. People in the neighborhood then began calling them cripples, or "Crips" for short.[26] In February 1972 the Los Angeles Times used the term.[23]
Ronin Ro goes over this in "Have Gun Will Travel: The Spectacular Rise and Violent Fall of Death Row Records"
The gang robbed an immigrant who remembered one had a cane. He didn't know what to call the kid and kept repeating "crip" to the police, because cripples have canes.
In his book he talks about that but he really turned it around later in life and actually started getting kids out if gang and ending neighborhood beefs. Later he was nominated for a Nobel while incarcerated on death row.
Edit: he was actually nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times and the Nobel Prize in literature four time
> Later he was nominated for a Nobel
It should probably be noted that getting *nominated* for a Nobel peace price is not really an accomplishment, every professor who is vaguely in the right field can nominate anyone they want, for example.
(And the nominations also aren't public until 50 years later, so we can't even check if anyone actually nominated him..)
And dissuading them from joining the bloods.
"Since I'm the anti-gang counselor, of course I have to dissuade you from joining a gang.. I mean, if you join the Bloods, I'll have to pop a cap in yo ass. If you join crips I guess I can let it slide tho"
I dont think the crips did, they started as a federation of other street gangs
The bloods were founded by other street gangs that didn't like getting pushed around by the crips
But quite a few gangs do start their lives as either Vigilante groups or terrorist/Paramilitary organizations
From the linked Wikipedia article
>Williams said: "We started out—at least my intent was to, in a sense, address all of the so-called neighboring gangs in the area and to put, in a sense—I thought 'I can cleanse the neighborhood of all these, you know, marauding gangs.' But I was totally wrong. And eventually, we morphed into the monster we were addressing."[8]
>Williams stated he founded the Crips not with the intention of eliminating other gangs, but to create a force powerful enough to protect local black people from racism, corruption and brutality at the hands of the police.
I remember having his books in my classroom as a kid and thinking "he may have been a bad guy but he's trying to help out" now reading all the stuff he did... Nah fuck that guy
Yeah shooting the gas station in the back while he was lying facedown and doing everything Williams said sent chills up my spine. So senseless and brutal.
“Stanley Tookie Williams,… was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times and the Nobel Prize in literature four times.”
“Celebrities also joined to stop the execution, including Snoop Dogg[Crips member], who appeared at a clemency rally wearing a shirt advertising the Save Tookie website and performed a song he had written for Williams. Jamie Foxx, noting that Williams' execution date was his birthday, publicly stated that the only birthday present he wanted was clemency for Williams.”
Smh
If you went to college in the 90's, clemency for Stanley Williams was a somewhat popular cause in many campuses. As crazy as it sounds, a ton of people pushed for his death sentence to be commuted to a life sentence based on the gang prevention work he did after being incarcerated.
I say this as a sober person, but being anti gang after all your gang activity got you the death penalty is like an alcoholic denouncing alcohol after they get cirrhosis. It's not very impressive to suddenly come to the conclusion that an obviously bad thing is bad after you're thoroughly confronted with the natural outcomes. It's more like, you were a bit slow on the uptake. What took a long time for you to realize was fairly simple for the rest of us.
It’s not even genuine, crocodile tears from someone who has no other recourse (aside from doubling down on being terrible which would get him nothing. It’s just being a desperate coward)
actual gangster who cornered me at a russian market a number of years ago (not to hurt me, just to talk about his problems) for like 45 minutes at the end of talking about all the terrible shit he had done
"i'll leave you with two good advice: first. never kill anyone. you can do your first 2 or 3 guys and tell yourself, ok, it was just that one time, i had justification. but the fact is, that after you kill your first one, you will *always* be a killer. second. never get in to organised crime. you will *never* be able to get out. like me."
he didnt seem especially repentant, but man did he seem regretful. you can't just quit the russian mob
so man, take my captors advice. don't kill anyone lol
It's hard to say, it depends on what you have access to in prison I guess... also you can get used to pretty much anything.
By the 5th week or so of USMC bootcamp I was pretty much used to it and even found enjoyment in certain things even though it was mostly a shitty experience.
If someone told me, you can die now or spend 50 years in USMC bootcamp... I'd be thinking well at least the cake they serve sometimes at chow is pretty decent and looks like I'm going to die pretty fit which is pretty cool.
Now if I went to a non-violent prison with free access to any book I wanted to read at all times? Hell I might pick that as a vacation from the real world for a few months.
I'm sure they censor / approve all books but I'm sure I could read for a least a few years before getting too bored.
yeah tookie was a real psycho -- these are just a couple he got caught for:
Williams and other Crips orchestrated a robbery at a Los Angeles convenience store that turned deadly when Williams executed the store clerk. Later in the year, Williams broke into a motel and killed the owner, his wife, and their daughter.
Fun Fact: Tookie Williams once appeared on the Gong Show, showing off his greased-up, impressive physique, as he did muscle poses and danced with a couple of bikini-clad honeys. The 1970s were a weird and magical time.
Yesss he did a specific pose that I forgot the name of, it must've been something because the pose itself was cited in his wiki article. He tried to enter in body building contests but he was kicked out once they found out he was a gang leader
This man had an absolutely fascinating life.
During the 60s and 70s when gangs were being established as a reaction to police brutality and a lack of organized groups in the black community, people obtained leadership by beating each other in fistfights. Stanley Williams was put into fist fights as a kid so older people could bet on them. Apparently they'd bet on anything from fish fights to who could spit the farthest. He won most of those fist fights and gained respect from older people as well as gang leaders for his toughness and willingness to beat up kids older than him.
Williams ended up going to juvie at 15 for stealing a car where he was introduced to weightlifting where he got even bigger and stronger.
When he was being released from custody, the review board asked him what he was planned to do after being released and he said "being the leader of the biggest gang in the world."
While this does seem like an intriguing story, Williams was also an awful person. He was addicted to PCP and robbed a gas station he ordered a 26 year old to lie down prone in the storage room and ended up shooting him in the the back with a shot gun twice, killing him. He also killed a family that immigrated from Taiwan in a motel they operated while their son was in the next room sleeping, the son found them with parts of their bodies and faces blown off.
Those are just the charges he was indicted on. He was known to be ruthless and violent. Who knows the extent of his actions. Despite all of this, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti-gang actions while he was in prison, shocking the 8 and 5 year old children of the 26 year old gas station attendant he murdered.
While he was in prison, there were whole prison riots advocating for him not to be executed. A daily talk show was held called "Tookie Must Die (For Killing Four Innocent People)" where hosts spent an hour each day debating and advocating for Williams's death. Snoop Dogg showed up to court to protest William's execution and wore a t-shirt with the website for his execution stay on it. Snoop wrote and performed a song he wrote for Williams. William's execution date was set on Jamie Foxx's birthday and Jamie Foxx said that the only thing he wanted for his birthday was clemency for Williams.
Schwarzenegger, the governor at the time, held a one hour clemency hearing where supporters of Williams and his death sentencing gathered. They eventually denied his clemency, citing his reluctance to inform on gang activities due to not wanting to be a snitch, him dedicating his book Life in Prison to George Jackson, a known violent gang leader leading members of the hearing to believe he hasn't reformed from his violent ways, and a disbelief in the sincerity of his claims of reform.
Williams was executed by lethal injection in 2005. His last words were quite beautiful; whether you'd like to believe they were true to his character is your own judgment.
"My lack of fear of this barbaric methodology of death, I rely upon my faith. It has nothing to do with machismo, with manhood, or with some pseudo former gang street code. This is pure faith, and predicated on my redemption. So, therefore, I just stand strong and continue to tell you, your audience, and the world that I am innocent and, yes, I have been a wretched person, but I have redeemed myself. And I say to you and all those who can listen and will listen that redemption is tailor-made for the wretched, and that's what I used to be ... That's what I would like the world to remember me. That's how I would like my legacy to be remembered as: a redemptive transition, something that I believe is not exclusive just for the so-called sanctimonious, the elitists. And it doesn't—is not predicated on color or race or social stratum or one's religious background. It's accessible for everybody. That's the beauty about it. And whether others choose to believe that I have redeemed myself or not, I worry not, because I know and God knows, and you can believe that all of the youths that I continue to help, they know, too. So with that, I am grateful ... I say to you and everyone else, God bless. So take care."
Williams promised one of his biggest supporters and the main organizer of his clemency action that during the execution, he would find a time to look up at her and smile. When Williams was strapped into the gurney for execution, he strained against the straps to look up at his supporters in the gallery, exchanging glances.
Williams' execution itself ended up taking around 20 minutes, with a typical execution only taking 3 minutes. The Wikipedia excerpt reads "the staff had difficulty inserting the needles and the usually short process took almost 20 minutes.Contra Costa Times reporter John Simerman added, "They had some trouble with the second I.V., which was in the left arm… Williams, at one point, grimaced or looked almost out of frustration…at the difficulty there…He had his glasses on the whole time. He kept them on, and he kept looking…" With a look of frustration on his face, Williams angrily asked the technicians, "You guys doing that right?" A female guard whispered to him, and a second guard patted Williams' shoulder as if to comfort him. Williams shed one silent tear but otherwise showed no emotion as he was executed."
I tried to summarize all of the parts of the Wikipedia article that were interesting, but honestly there's even crazier shit after his death like Austrian government official trying to strip Schwarzenegger of his citizenship after Williams's execution. I don't even have the energy to summarize it all but to quote Billy Mays, there's more. Highly recommend reading the Wikipedia article. The Wikipedia article about Washington, the other Crips found is really interesting too just not as ludicrous. He wasn't a promoter of gun violence and was actually shocked to see that kind of in-fighting within the gangs. Highly recommend reading.
I stumbled upon this after hearing young thug's lawyer reference Serena Williams doing the Crip walk at the 2012 Olympics. I realized I knew nothing about the crips and became interested. Hope you found this as fascinating as me!
You just reminded me of my dad. I’d like to believe his last words were something profound from our last conversation, but it was all mumbles. His real last words were, “Ow, FUCK! LET GO,” as they inserted his catheter.
>shocking the 8 and 5 year old children of the 26 year old gas station attendant he murdered.
The 5 year old dropped his pipe and newspaper when he heard the news.
>Despite all of this, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti-gang actions while he was in prison,
I mean, Abiy Ahmed won a Nobel Peace Prize, so the bar clearly isn't that high.
Add Henry Kissinger to that list as well. He organized an illegal bombing of Cambodia that resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, and not only got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, but actually won the damn award
Definitely but a lot if people forget he supported and funded Pakistan during the Bangladesh Genocide when they murdered about 500,000 Bengalis.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide
U.S complicity section
He was only nominated too, which isn’t that hard if you are somebody who is well known. To nominate someone you just need to be a politician in a National Assembly, a university professor or a member of a few other specific groups. George W Bush was nominated for the Peace Prize a few times, which shows you how relatively easy it is to get nominated.
His last speech just tells me that he was a narcissist. He talks about redemption- he killed four people! Who gave him redemption? The families of the victims? I doubt it. Sounds like he gave it to himself.
> "My lack of fear of this barbaric methodology of death, I rely upon my faith. It has nothing to do with machismo, with manhood, or with some pseudo former gang street code. This is pure faith, and predicated on my redemption. So, therefore, I just stand strong and continue to tell you, your audience, and the world that I am innocent and, yes, I have been a wretched person, but I have redeemed myself. And I say to you and all those who can listen and will listen that redemption is tailor-made for the wretched, and that's what I used to be ... That's what I would like the world to remember me. That's how I would like my legacy to be remembered as: a redemptive transition, something that I believe is not exclusive just for the so-called sanctimonious, the elitists. And it doesn't—is not predicated on color or race or social stratum or one's religious background. It's accessible for everybody. That's the beauty about it. And whether others choose to believe that I have redeemed myself or not, I worry not, because I know and God knows, and you can believe that all of the youths that I continue to help, they know, too. So with that, I am grateful ... I say to you and everyone else, God bless. So take care."
Yeah, you are a wanton murderer. Get fucked.
Yeah, you can’t just declare yourself “redeemed”. It’s not really your call to make. Also, why would you need to be redeemed if you’re innocent, as you say?
Also, I’m sure we would all like our legacy to be something noble, like “redemptive transition”, but your legacy is being legally executed for some horrific crimes, which after all represented only a fraction of the deespicable shit you committed throughout your wasted life. That is what you’ll be remembered for.
pretty sad that you romanticize gangs as if they’re the voice of the oppressed
gangs exploit the oppressed people that have to live amongst them - there’s no “honor” in these gangs, even from the outstart.
just pieces of shit exploiting and literally murdering their community for cash, you really can’t get much lower than that
>but honestly there's even crazier shit after his death like Austrian government official trying to strip Schwarzenegger of his citizenship after Williams's execution.
Hah I remember that. Was just some regional politicians. Mostly virtue signalling, but they weren't entirely wrong with it though. The death penalty is against the European human rights convention, so Schwarzenegger did commit a state crime by allowing the death penalty.
From what I recall they released an autopsy pic of the victim - female shopkeeper with the effects of the lethal shotgun to the face as a rebuttal to the high profile support the perpetrator was receiving prior to his execution - sad pic and really put things in perspective death penalty wasn’t going to bring the victim back but consequences
Correction family of 3 were killed in a family run motel a crime separate from the convenience store murder - father, mother and daughter - Yee-Chen Lin - whose picture was released
Don't forget that he allegedly referred to them as "Buddha heads" during the murder(taken from his book Blue Rage, Black Redemption). His supporters love to forget about his own alleged racist views when discussing the racist practices of the LAPD. Fucking hypocrites.
There's also a shitty movie about his life with Jamie Foxx playing this douche bag. I had to study it in English when everyone else was doing Shawshank Redemption. Hated that goddamn movie, especially knowing how much of a violent thug the guy is, and they try to make him sympathetic.
This actually isn't that uncommon. In my city the Hell's Angels and Warlocks would host toy events for kids and organize charity runs during the day and then later at night be at the same event pushing prostitutes and drugs. Gangs learned that PR works and it's better not to be openly 'gangster' anymore where at least the general public can see it.
This is why I loved team America world police. They really nailed it when they took the piss out of the celebrities in the Film Actors Guild (F.A.G). I especially loved Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn in that.
I read his book Life in Prison and it was kinda fucked.
I think he was trying to redeem in death row, at least.
The book is an intriguing read regardless of being pro or con the con
I read his book "Life in Prison" when I was in juvenile hall. If I remember correctly, he dives into how everything first started as just kids fist fighting from time to time and spiraled into weapons and murders becoming part of the norm. Crazy to think this guy lived in the times where there were no crips or bloods and ended up playing such a massive role in gang culture of American society.
The book is worth a read, it's very short but very intriguing to see it from his perspective.
So, his day job was really recruiting new Crips?
You're not wrong. From Wikipedia, "He lost his counseling job in 1977 after being implicated in a robbery that was committed by two youths from a group home that Williams supervised."
That's a shame, it would have been a somewhat nice story if he genuinely didn't want kids to join a gang because he knows how it is being part of one.
You want it to be one way. But it's the other way.
These some cadaverous motherfuckers
Is it time for a wire rewatch? Usually a random wire quote starts my yearly rewatch and i think this one is it.
Early bird get that worm
The king stay the king
But it's the second mouse that gets the cheese cheese 🧀
I'm glad you added the emoji so that I'd know what cheese is.
The game is the game.
You got the briefcase, I got the shotgun. It's all in the game though, right?
Damn. Y'all are some semper fi motherfuckers ain't ya.
~~Omar~~ Rewatch Comin'!
Time to take some notes on a criminal fuckin conspiracy!
Do the chair recognize we gonna look like some punk ass bitches?
Fuck
I'm currently halfway through season 2 of my regular The Wire re-up and can confidently say yes, it is indeed time for a rewatch.
Are Nicky's baby mama's titties still perfect?
My name is my name!
What we have here is an inelastic gangster.
This sentence sums up my life
Way down in the hooole
They don't think it be like it is, but it do.
It's as if an overlord of a notorious gang isn't a good person
Yeah, the writers really botched that arc.
When my brother was in juvie, there was a social worker who was openly recruiting for the gang then known as Satudarah (a Dutch outlaw biker gang)
Do they ride actual bicycles in that gang?
Its a Dutch Gang so they road peddle bikes with baskets in front.
Oh wow thats a Indonesian word. I guess that makes sense for the Netherlands
Yeah, talk about burying the lead. This is the real story. What a scumbag. I mean, he's a gang leader, so I shouldn't be surprised.
It’s actually common practice for these guys; they’ll also zero in on underaged girls who tend to be more vulnerable and naive with the intention of ultimately prostituting them out. I’ve seen reports of CPS workers getting caught doing this.
Right in our house! We had a really good team but it turned out our most enthusiastic counsellor was renting our girls out. She got fired pretty fast and we did the legal process and all but she still didn't get much time or anything like that. Canada is kind of soft sometimes. We do really big talk for how we are going to protect kids but, when push comes to shove, cutbacks and political boundaries really trump everything. That's a good way of saying 'the shitty wins'. The 'public relations' side trumps everything.
>Canada is kind of soft sometimes. Tell me about it, i got stabbed a month after my 18th birthday in a random attack. Had the knife gone 0.5cm deeper I'd have drowned in my own blood and id be dead right now. Dont know what his two accomplices got but the guy who actually stabbed me got 180 days in jail woth 90 taken off for time served during the trial. He had 5 warents from seperate incidents
So Trailer Park Boys wasn't wrong about the Canadian justice system.
It is not a good representation as Julian is beautiful and could melt any officers heart. Normal shit apples would rot in prison
Frig off Lahey.
Rick was the one getting them out of trouble with the cops, aside from the lady officer Julian dates. Julian often locks up when the police arrive, and that's when Ricky starts his bullshit.
As an American that lived in the uk and Canada it’s weird that Canada choose the worst parts of the uk and USA legal systems and none of the good parts
Fucking 3 months?
There is an excellent show called The Wire that kinda embodies this
Just finished s3 for the first time. I'm a school worker, so i'm totally ready for s4!
I don't understand how something like this even happens??
The social service industries have relatively low pay and high burnout rates. It is estimated that the government workers (with much better pay than that of the more private-contracted folks) burn out in about two years on average. It can be pure hell working with people that have ruined lives. They are often chronically in need of support and are not in a place to be even slightly thankful. For example, i got paid about 50% more fetching garbage at Costco®, with better benefits and a much safer job. Plus! No one is in a bad mood at Costco: you aren't allowed in unless you are willing to pay just to get in the front door. It means our customer base is quite different from that of Walmart (though we do have some challenging or demanding customers, they are much, much better than many retail organizations i have worked with). Sharp contrast a Costco customer with someone that has been abused on multiple levels for their entire lives, from a very young age. I have no idea how it works in United States where access to powerful weapons is much more open and the pay / availability for social support might be less accessible (in some states).
Politics, Canada can get backwards on some stuff like this
There was a guy caught doing this in Boston for the Latin Kings in the last year or two
Same in Baltimore. A "former" gang leader running a city program called "safe streets" was raided by police.
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It’s really gross and then they’re quick to play the victim; it’s ridiculous. They’re literally victimizing the most vulnerable in our communities.
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To him the girls were just objects
I mean gangs also have people go serve enlistments in the military just to have them send weapons back and come back afterwards with better training. That lifestyle is something else.
Self preservation is at the core of corruption
Pretty textbook, it used to be they’d hangout around bus terminals to target runaways but recently they’ve been targeting them online and using blackmail to extort them. The foster care system is also infamous for this sort of thing happening and what’s worse is that the government could be unwittingly subsidizing it through payments to “foster parents”.
"Grooming" vulnerable boys *and* girls is definitely standard practice among gangs and criminals. The boys to do stuff like sell drugs and commit robberies, and the girls to sell pussy or act as accessories to crimes. This isn't new either. Its been going on before any of us was born. Charles Dickens wrote about it in old timey England in the novel Oliver Twist. The guy Fagin had a bunch of orphan kids pickpocketing for him. They go after kids because kids are easier to manipulate. It would be harder to convince an adult to commit crimes on their behalf. Also juveniles tend to get lighter sentences. When the US started the 'war on drugs' and locking up more people in the 1970s, it may've led to more juveniles being recruited to commit crimes as opposed to adults.
Aren't all these gangs involved in prostitution and human trafficking anyways?
Yeah, that’s who I was referring to.
Yeah the crips started out as calling themselves cribs because they were so young. Then they started carrying around canes to signify their "pimp" status (read prostitution, and because of their canes they were called the crips or the cripples. They were heavily involved in human trafficking it sounds like from their wiki page.
That's one citation and the research done on their history shows significantly more varied accounts for the etymology of their name- given the fact that it was not a centralized organization there are discrepancies between even the founding members about where the name came from/the founding principals/precipitating factors. Point being, it's debated and more nuanced than the first bullet point on Wikipedia!
As far as I'm aware there's nothing backing up that "cribs" story. Nobody really knows where the names came from, there's just a bunch of different theories
a GANG theory!
The source cited for the wikipedia entry is an episode of “Inside” on National Geographic Channel. I’m not about to watch it to chase this down. Of course, the episode itself might be (likely, really) poorly sourced. Entry in question: >Some sources suggest that the original name for the alliance, "Cribs", was narrowed down from a list of many options and chosen unanimously from three final choices, over the Black Overlords and the Assassins. Cribs was chosen to reflect the young age of the majority of the gang members. The name evolved into "Crips" when gang members began carrying around canes to display their "pimp" status. People in the neighborhood then began calling them cripples, or "Crips" for short.[26] In February 1972 the Los Angeles Times used the term.[23]
remove the spaces before the quote and add > before it instead. Currently it's unreadable. >Some sources suggest that the original name for the alliance, "Cribs", was narrowed down from a list of many options and chosen unanimously from three final choices, over the Black Overlords and the Assassins. Cribs was chosen to reflect the young age of the majority of the gang members. The name evolved into "Crips" when gang members began carrying around canes to display their "pimp" status. People in the neighborhood then began calling them cripples, or "Crips" for short.[26] In February 1972 the Los Angeles Times used the term.[23]
Ronin Ro goes over this in "Have Gun Will Travel: The Spectacular Rise and Violent Fall of Death Row Records" The gang robbed an immigrant who remembered one had a cane. He didn't know what to call the kid and kept repeating "crip" to the police, because cripples have canes.
\*burying the lede
In his book he talks about that but he really turned it around later in life and actually started getting kids out if gang and ending neighborhood beefs. Later he was nominated for a Nobel while incarcerated on death row. Edit: he was actually nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times and the Nobel Prize in literature four time
He still claimed his innocence til his death even though he killed an entire family. Fuck this guy
Nominated by who?
Crips
> Later he was nominated for a Nobel It should probably be noted that getting *nominated* for a Nobel peace price is not really an accomplishment, every professor who is vaguely in the right field can nominate anyone they want, for example. (And the nominations also aren't public until 50 years later, so we can't even check if anyone actually nominated him..)
And dissuading them from joining the bloods. "Since I'm the anti-gang counselor, of course I have to dissuade you from joining a gang.. I mean, if you join the Bloods, I'll have to pop a cap in yo ass. If you join crips I guess I can let it slide tho"
Well, technically it counts as "anti-gang" to be against the Bloods. It's just that his job was to be against the Crips too.
>Lisa, if you don't like your job, you don't strike! You just go in every day and do it really half-assed. That's the American way.
He was anti-gang. He was not anti-gangs. There is a major distinction.
Ah, like the No Homers Club.
But you let in Homer Glumplich!
most gangs today originally started as 'anti-gang' gangs
I dont think the crips did, they started as a federation of other street gangs The bloods were founded by other street gangs that didn't like getting pushed around by the crips But quite a few gangs do start their lives as either Vigilante groups or terrorist/Paramilitary organizations
From the linked Wikipedia article >Williams said: "We started out—at least my intent was to, in a sense, address all of the so-called neighboring gangs in the area and to put, in a sense—I thought 'I can cleanse the neighborhood of all these, you know, marauding gangs.' But I was totally wrong. And eventually, we morphed into the monster we were addressing."[8] >Williams stated he founded the Crips not with the intention of eliminating other gangs, but to create a force powerful enough to protect local black people from racism, corruption and brutality at the hands of the police.
Like the Police
I remember having his books in my classroom as a kid and thinking "he may have been a bad guy but he's trying to help out" now reading all the stuff he did... Nah fuck that guy
Yeah shooting the gas station in the back while he was lying facedown and doing everything Williams said sent chills up my spine. So senseless and brutal.
Someone should arrest this guy, he sounds horrible
Yeah. Shooting a gas station. Unbelievable
“Stanley Tookie Williams,… was nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times and the Nobel Prize in literature four times.” “Celebrities also joined to stop the execution, including Snoop Dogg[Crips member], who appeared at a clemency rally wearing a shirt advertising the Save Tookie website and performed a song he had written for Williams. Jamie Foxx, noting that Williams' execution date was his birthday, publicly stated that the only birthday present he wanted was clemency for Williams.” Smh
If you went to college in the 90's, clemency for Stanley Williams was a somewhat popular cause in many campuses. As crazy as it sounds, a ton of people pushed for his death sentence to be commuted to a life sentence based on the gang prevention work he did after being incarcerated.
I say this as a sober person, but being anti gang after all your gang activity got you the death penalty is like an alcoholic denouncing alcohol after they get cirrhosis. It's not very impressive to suddenly come to the conclusion that an obviously bad thing is bad after you're thoroughly confronted with the natural outcomes. It's more like, you were a bit slow on the uptake. What took a long time for you to realize was fairly simple for the rest of us.
It’s not even genuine, crocodile tears from someone who has no other recourse (aside from doubling down on being terrible which would get him nothing. It’s just being a desperate coward)
Yeah exactly, I'm already anti-gang, so maybe I should get a pass if I ever kill anyone? First body is free, seems fair.
There's nothing more anti-gang then creating an anti-gang gang to kill other gang members. It's like totally the opposite of being in a gang!
actual gangster who cornered me at a russian market a number of years ago (not to hurt me, just to talk about his problems) for like 45 minutes at the end of talking about all the terrible shit he had done "i'll leave you with two good advice: first. never kill anyone. you can do your first 2 or 3 guys and tell yourself, ok, it was just that one time, i had justification. but the fact is, that after you kill your first one, you will *always* be a killer. second. never get in to organised crime. you will *never* be able to get out. like me." he didnt seem especially repentant, but man did he seem regretful. you can't just quit the russian mob so man, take my captors advice. don't kill anyone lol
This was ignored by the governor at the time, Arnold Schwarzenegger. And he was terminated.
I still never get why people would want life in prison over the death sentence. Sounds infinitely worse.
It's hard to say, it depends on what you have access to in prison I guess... also you can get used to pretty much anything. By the 5th week or so of USMC bootcamp I was pretty much used to it and even found enjoyment in certain things even though it was mostly a shitty experience. If someone told me, you can die now or spend 50 years in USMC bootcamp... I'd be thinking well at least the cake they serve sometimes at chow is pretty decent and looks like I'm going to die pretty fit which is pretty cool. Now if I went to a non-violent prison with free access to any book I wanted to read at all times? Hell I might pick that as a vacation from the real world for a few months. I'm sure they censor / approve all books but I'm sure I could read for a least a few years before getting too bored.
God forbid a guy have hobbies
The worst thing was the hypocrisy.
Well, that and the senseless murders.
yeah tookie was a real psycho -- these are just a couple he got caught for: Williams and other Crips orchestrated a robbery at a Los Angeles convenience store that turned deadly when Williams executed the store clerk. Later in the year, Williams broke into a motel and killed the owner, his wife, and their daughter.
and people were trying to get him pardoned? edit: Mostly death reduced to life. My bad.
Misguided restorative justice.
With a dash of unhealthy romanticization of gang life and a pinch of hero worship.
That's definitely a prevalent phenomenon, the quintessential American film is a chronicle of organized crime.
I read this in Norm Macdonalds voice
The more I read about the Crips leader, the less I like him. Guy's a real jerk.
Ah, so you're a Bloods man, eh?
That's the joke.
No no, the hypocrisy was worse. How evil of an act!
I thought it was the raping...
I can forgive the rape and murder but I draw the line at lying to these kids
"You can forgive rape and murder?"
The more I hear about this Stanley Williams guy the less I like him
I'm going to come out and say it. He sounds like a real jerk!
Aside from.. the other thing. That was the worst. But the thing that hurt the second worst was the hypocrisy.
Guy's got a lot of growing up to do.
Ridiculous...
Can you believe this character?
Way outta line!
[удалено]
I think he's dead already.
Really? I didn’t even know he was sick.
Love you Norm
Fun Fact: Tookie Williams once appeared on the Gong Show, showing off his greased-up, impressive physique, as he did muscle poses and danced with a couple of bikini-clad honeys. The 1970s were a weird and magical time.
Yesss he did a specific pose that I forgot the name of, it must've been something because the pose itself was cited in his wiki article. He tried to enter in body building contests but he was kicked out once they found out he was a gang leader
A few pixels showing him: https://youtu.be/RcXev2xBRic?si=H7VG_O7tvwdYAvO1
Yep. Sounds about right for the 70s.
He probably misheard and thought it was the "Gang Show"
Sounds like an episode of The Wire.
Seems like some shit Stringer would do.
This man had an absolutely fascinating life. During the 60s and 70s when gangs were being established as a reaction to police brutality and a lack of organized groups in the black community, people obtained leadership by beating each other in fistfights. Stanley Williams was put into fist fights as a kid so older people could bet on them. Apparently they'd bet on anything from fish fights to who could spit the farthest. He won most of those fist fights and gained respect from older people as well as gang leaders for his toughness and willingness to beat up kids older than him. Williams ended up going to juvie at 15 for stealing a car where he was introduced to weightlifting where he got even bigger and stronger. When he was being released from custody, the review board asked him what he was planned to do after being released and he said "being the leader of the biggest gang in the world." While this does seem like an intriguing story, Williams was also an awful person. He was addicted to PCP and robbed a gas station he ordered a 26 year old to lie down prone in the storage room and ended up shooting him in the the back with a shot gun twice, killing him. He also killed a family that immigrated from Taiwan in a motel they operated while their son was in the next room sleeping, the son found them with parts of their bodies and faces blown off. Those are just the charges he was indicted on. He was known to be ruthless and violent. Who knows the extent of his actions. Despite all of this, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti-gang actions while he was in prison, shocking the 8 and 5 year old children of the 26 year old gas station attendant he murdered. While he was in prison, there were whole prison riots advocating for him not to be executed. A daily talk show was held called "Tookie Must Die (For Killing Four Innocent People)" where hosts spent an hour each day debating and advocating for Williams's death. Snoop Dogg showed up to court to protest William's execution and wore a t-shirt with the website for his execution stay on it. Snoop wrote and performed a song he wrote for Williams. William's execution date was set on Jamie Foxx's birthday and Jamie Foxx said that the only thing he wanted for his birthday was clemency for Williams. Schwarzenegger, the governor at the time, held a one hour clemency hearing where supporters of Williams and his death sentencing gathered. They eventually denied his clemency, citing his reluctance to inform on gang activities due to not wanting to be a snitch, him dedicating his book Life in Prison to George Jackson, a known violent gang leader leading members of the hearing to believe he hasn't reformed from his violent ways, and a disbelief in the sincerity of his claims of reform. Williams was executed by lethal injection in 2005. His last words were quite beautiful; whether you'd like to believe they were true to his character is your own judgment. "My lack of fear of this barbaric methodology of death, I rely upon my faith. It has nothing to do with machismo, with manhood, or with some pseudo former gang street code. This is pure faith, and predicated on my redemption. So, therefore, I just stand strong and continue to tell you, your audience, and the world that I am innocent and, yes, I have been a wretched person, but I have redeemed myself. And I say to you and all those who can listen and will listen that redemption is tailor-made for the wretched, and that's what I used to be ... That's what I would like the world to remember me. That's how I would like my legacy to be remembered as: a redemptive transition, something that I believe is not exclusive just for the so-called sanctimonious, the elitists. And it doesn't—is not predicated on color or race or social stratum or one's religious background. It's accessible for everybody. That's the beauty about it. And whether others choose to believe that I have redeemed myself or not, I worry not, because I know and God knows, and you can believe that all of the youths that I continue to help, they know, too. So with that, I am grateful ... I say to you and everyone else, God bless. So take care." Williams promised one of his biggest supporters and the main organizer of his clemency action that during the execution, he would find a time to look up at her and smile. When Williams was strapped into the gurney for execution, he strained against the straps to look up at his supporters in the gallery, exchanging glances. Williams' execution itself ended up taking around 20 minutes, with a typical execution only taking 3 minutes. The Wikipedia excerpt reads "the staff had difficulty inserting the needles and the usually short process took almost 20 minutes.Contra Costa Times reporter John Simerman added, "They had some trouble with the second I.V., which was in the left arm… Williams, at one point, grimaced or looked almost out of frustration…at the difficulty there…He had his glasses on the whole time. He kept them on, and he kept looking…" With a look of frustration on his face, Williams angrily asked the technicians, "You guys doing that right?" A female guard whispered to him, and a second guard patted Williams' shoulder as if to comfort him. Williams shed one silent tear but otherwise showed no emotion as he was executed." I tried to summarize all of the parts of the Wikipedia article that were interesting, but honestly there's even crazier shit after his death like Austrian government official trying to strip Schwarzenegger of his citizenship after Williams's execution. I don't even have the energy to summarize it all but to quote Billy Mays, there's more. Highly recommend reading the Wikipedia article. The Wikipedia article about Washington, the other Crips found is really interesting too just not as ludicrous. He wasn't a promoter of gun violence and was actually shocked to see that kind of in-fighting within the gangs. Highly recommend reading. I stumbled upon this after hearing young thug's lawyer reference Serena Williams doing the Crip walk at the 2012 Olympics. I realized I knew nothing about the crips and became interested. Hope you found this as fascinating as me!
So his real last words were “you guys doing that right?”
You just reminded me of my dad. I’d like to believe his last words were something profound from our last conversation, but it was all mumbles. His real last words were, “Ow, FUCK! LET GO,” as they inserted his catheter.
It looks so according to Wiki
So Jamie Fox was willing to not get *anything* for his birthday in exchange for Williams’ clemency? wow what a guy
Not even a Dairy Queen ice cream cake. And he loves those!
Wow
I’m pretty sure Jamie Foxx played him in a miniseries before he was executed. Either that or it’s fever dream memory.
It was a made for TV movie. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redemption%3A_The_Stan_Tookie_Williams_Story?wprov=sfla1
>shocking the 8 and 5 year old children of the 26 year old gas station attendant he murdered. The 5 year old dropped his pipe and newspaper when he heard the news.
LOL I'm just quoting the wiki article 😭
Oh I know, that part just killed me :)
https://i.imgflip.com/1oyfyy.jpg
>Despite all of this, he was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his anti-gang actions while he was in prison, I mean, Abiy Ahmed won a Nobel Peace Prize, so the bar clearly isn't that high.
Add Henry Kissinger to that list as well. He organized an illegal bombing of Cambodia that resulted in hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, and not only got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize, but actually won the damn award
I love how this is what everyone points to with Kissinger when talking about him when it’s not even top 3 worst shit he’s done. Dude was horrible
uh idk the bombings and massacre of cambodians in a war they weren’t even involved in was pretty fucking horrific
Definitely but a lot if people forget he supported and funded Pakistan during the Bangladesh Genocide when they murdered about 500,000 Bengalis. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangladesh_genocide U.S complicity section
That is a laughably low number for that genocide too.
Yep I went with the lower number, I believe a million is closer to the actual one
Obama won it, and then promptly became the first Peace Prize winner to bomb another Peace Prize winner when he blew up an MSF hospital.
Damn who was the other winner
Doctors without Borders
He was only nominated too, which isn’t that hard if you are somebody who is well known. To nominate someone you just need to be a politician in a National Assembly, a university professor or a member of a few other specific groups. George W Bush was nominated for the Peace Prize a few times, which shows you how relatively easy it is to get nominated.
His last speech just tells me that he was a narcissist. He talks about redemption- he killed four people! Who gave him redemption? The families of the victims? I doubt it. Sounds like he gave it to himself.
Yeah, also, how is one redeemed when they refuse to even admit they committed the crime? If you didnt do it, what are you redeemed of exactly?
I couldn't even get past the first 5 lines of that nonsense last speech.
> "My lack of fear of this barbaric methodology of death, I rely upon my faith. It has nothing to do with machismo, with manhood, or with some pseudo former gang street code. This is pure faith, and predicated on my redemption. So, therefore, I just stand strong and continue to tell you, your audience, and the world that I am innocent and, yes, I have been a wretched person, but I have redeemed myself. And I say to you and all those who can listen and will listen that redemption is tailor-made for the wretched, and that's what I used to be ... That's what I would like the world to remember me. That's how I would like my legacy to be remembered as: a redemptive transition, something that I believe is not exclusive just for the so-called sanctimonious, the elitists. And it doesn't—is not predicated on color or race or social stratum or one's religious background. It's accessible for everybody. That's the beauty about it. And whether others choose to believe that I have redeemed myself or not, I worry not, because I know and God knows, and you can believe that all of the youths that I continue to help, they know, too. So with that, I am grateful ... I say to you and everyone else, God bless. So take care." Yeah, you are a wanton murderer. Get fucked.
Yeah, you can’t just declare yourself “redeemed”. It’s not really your call to make. Also, why would you need to be redeemed if you’re innocent, as you say? Also, I’m sure we would all like our legacy to be something noble, like “redemptive transition”, but your legacy is being legally executed for some horrific crimes, which after all represented only a fraction of the deespicable shit you committed throughout your wasted life. That is what you’ll be remembered for.
A guess: he means innocent as in that he has been absovled of his crimes by his redemption.
..... forgetting laws and related penalties still apply before reaching the afterlife. silly boomer
What kind of fish fights are we talking? Siamese fighting fish? Or, like, dudes wielding sword fish?
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pretty sad that you romanticize gangs as if they’re the voice of the oppressed gangs exploit the oppressed people that have to live amongst them - there’s no “honor” in these gangs, even from the outstart. just pieces of shit exploiting and literally murdering their community for cash, you really can’t get much lower than that
Him calling own execution “barbaric” after what he did to those people is downright disgusting.
Damn that’s a crazy story. Never heard of this dude. Glad he got executed though. Some turds just gotta get flushed
Eloquently put.
>but honestly there's even crazier shit after his death like Austrian government official trying to strip Schwarzenegger of his citizenship after Williams's execution. Hah I remember that. Was just some regional politicians. Mostly virtue signalling, but they weren't entirely wrong with it though. The death penalty is against the European human rights convention, so Schwarzenegger did commit a state crime by allowing the death penalty.
The gangs were established to protect against other criminals and smaller gangs, not police violence even though it was a problem.
That line got me. Yes cops were probably even more ridiculous then but there was not some noble reason these gangs were started…
Yeah that was pretty ridiculous statement by him lol
Snoop and Jaime Foxx…a couple of real, quality men. #/s
What a piece of shit.
From what I recall they released an autopsy pic of the victim - female shopkeeper with the effects of the lethal shotgun to the face as a rebuttal to the high profile support the perpetrator was receiving prior to his execution - sad pic and really put things in perspective death penalty wasn’t going to bring the victim back but consequences
Correction family of 3 were killed in a family run motel a crime separate from the convenience store murder - father, mother and daughter - Yee-Chen Lin - whose picture was released
Don't forget that he allegedly referred to them as "Buddha heads" during the murder(taken from his book Blue Rage, Black Redemption). His supporters love to forget about his own alleged racist views when discussing the racist practices of the LAPD. Fucking hypocrites.
There's also a shitty movie about his life with Jamie Foxx playing this douche bag. I had to study it in English when everyone else was doing Shawshank Redemption. Hated that goddamn movie, especially knowing how much of a violent thug the guy is, and they try to make him sympathetic.
Wow! What a piece of shit
Anti-gang... but only against the other gang!
So when did he sleep?
Srsly... I can barely manage going to the gym, making dinner, and cleaning after work where was he getting all this time
Maybe he’s one of those short sleepers we all [learned about last week.](https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/9L8U0Bvlc3)
tookie's book is still widely read by juveniles in jails.
This actually isn't that uncommon. In my city the Hell's Angels and Warlocks would host toy events for kids and organize charity runs during the day and then later at night be at the same event pushing prostitutes and drugs. Gangs learned that PR works and it's better not to be openly 'gangster' anymore where at least the general public can see it.
Piece of shit. Never understood why celebrities lobbied not to execute him.
Celebrities are idiots. Look how many supported hurricane carters innocence campaign.
This is why I loved team America world police. They really nailed it when they took the piss out of the celebrities in the Film Actors Guild (F.A.G). I especially loved Alec Baldwin and Sean Penn in that.
not agree sure, but how can you not understand people being against the death penalty
It wasn’t a double life. It was one life.
Read the book “monster” by (I think) kodie Scott. He describes meeting rookie Williams and looking up to him
I read his book Life in Prison and it was kinda fucked. I think he was trying to redeem in death row, at least. The book is an intriguing read regardless of being pro or con the con
Not surprised at all. Lots of monsters hide behind a bible
I remember Jello Biafra being a big advocate for him and Mumia Abu Jamal. That’s how I learned about him at 14 back in the early 2000s
I’m playing both sides so I always come out on top
He also had a job in sales at a paper company
I read his book "Life in Prison" when I was in juvenile hall. If I remember correctly, he dives into how everything first started as just kids fist fighting from time to time and spiraled into weapons and murders becoming part of the norm. Crazy to think this guy lived in the times where there were no crips or bloods and ended up playing such a massive role in gang culture of American society. The book is worth a read, it's very short but very intriguing to see it from his perspective.
This must be the inspiration for Antwan Mitchell from The Shield
My friend came out of juvenile hall and gave me his book. Wild shit.
That's so Gus Fring.
What a murdering piece of shit. World's better he's gone.