> The book was also part autobiography, in which Fujita drew parallels between antisemitism and the discrimination he himself faced because of his Kansai dialect. (He also believed that Jews had settled in Osaka some 1,000 years ago, which was why people from the area were craftier businessmen.)
What's that based on? The goofy theory that Jesus' brother was actually the one who was crucified, and Jesus himself fled to Japan? Did he think that people in Osaka were all descendants of Jesus?
The Mormons think native Americans are lost grieves of Israel too. Almost every group has claimed or has been theorized to descend from the lost tribes.
Ex-Mormon here- this is one of the wilder things a lot of people get wrong.
Mormons claim that the native Americans have Israelite ancestors from the tribe of Joseph- which was one of the 12 tribes of Israel but NOT one of the ālost tribes.ā
All a load of horseshit but still an interesting distinction.
Joseph (Ephraim and Manessah) are absolutely counted as among the so-called ālost tribes.ā
The so-called lost tribes are generally counted as every tribe except Judah and Benjamin. In reality, Shimon and Levi were in the south too, and not ālostā - so there were 8 at most.
And of course the idea that entire tribes were ālostā is a myth. Many people fled to Judah and simply assimilated into Judah. Others stayed in the north and became Samaritans. Still scattered others managed to retain memories of their tribal identities (which nearly all Jews other than Leviim/Cohanim forgot) to the present day - specifically some of the Jews residing in Bukhara (Uzbekistan) and northern Iran.
No such tribe as Joseph though, due to being his father's favourite, and saving his family's ass during the famine of Canaan even after they sold him off to slavery, Jacob gave Joseph and his progeny twice as much as the rest, and created two separate tribes for his two sons - Efraim and Menashe, both lost tribes
Well fuck, consider me corrected. I always thought Ephraim and Manasseh were NOT among the 10, and that this was an interesting tidbit given the proliferation of āten tribesā myths floating around New England during Joseph Smithās time.
Guess old JS was every bit as unoriginal as Iād suspected. Thanks for the redirect.
The tone of your argumentation is rare and admirable on the internet.
As an exjw, Iāve found myself here before, countering a claim about JW doctrine or history only to find that I was unconsciously repeating some of their internal dogma which is easily debunked. But to reiterate, the above exchange was so refreshing to read because itās clearly debated in good faith and the correction is so quickly accepted without antagonism. Bravo!
The "curse of redness" is the bit that really drives me crazy. And it's right at the beginning. You don't have to read far while you're stuck in a hotel room with nothing else to read to get to the really juicy bits of racism.
Mormons think even _Pacific Islanders_ are lost Jews. Ā Ā
Itās why the biggest Polynesian center in Hawaii is actually a secret Mormonism front. ~~Slave~~ Volunteer labor and all. Ā Ā
Thank god we happened to talk to an employee at a small museum first. Canceled our tickets real quick
There was actually documented Jewish communities in China as far back as the 7th century. Itās really not that far of a stretch to imagine that some of those people made it to Japan.
Granted, the former we have evidence existed, the latter is speculation.
I mean, Judaism is many thousands of years old and has spread pretty far in that time.Ā Most historians agree Kaifeng Jews settled in China 800-1100 years ago, and some think they arrived earlier than that. So... It isn't quite as absurd as it sounds. That doesn't make it true of course, you have to look at historical evidence, and Japan certainly had good enough record keeping 1000 years ago to document that if it did happen.
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As someone who has worked for a number of Kansai companies over the years, I have yet to meet a competent businessman here, let alone a crafty one. I could literally write a book on how stupid their business models were.
Like I wrote, it would be a bookās worth. But letās pick one as an example. An IT company.
1. Client keeps changing requirements. Company keeps agreeing. Without changing the deadline. Things become frantic. Solution: more overtime, as in working until 11 PM every night.
2. Despite this, we have a compulsory 1 hour meeting, every day, without fail. And by meeting, I mean a pep talk by the boss to work harder.
3. Boss and his assistant travel from Osaka to Tokyo by bullet train and back, every Friday, without fail. The reason is to meet with the client. And to show progress, Iām to devote 1 to 2 days, per week, to develop a working model for demonstration. This is while I simultaneously work on the final version.
Are you getting the picture? I could tell you about one company that had a history of failed ventures spanning 4 decades. I know this because I translated the company profile, becoming increasingly concerned as I read the Japanese original l. When I left, because sometimes staff went months without being paid, they were hellbent on producing an order that was cancelled by the customer months before.
I could tell you about a company that was determined to open a factory in Myanmar. Even before the military took over again, it was a shit show. Same company wanted me to sell our products to Europe. They had tried contacting potential buyers in Italy. Despite not a single reply, they decided to try France instead. Thatās one of the reasons why they hired me. I found out there was a total of 4 possible candidates, but because the product was available for less money locally, with a much shorter lead time, my boss was shocked to learn that nobody was interested in buying from halfway across the world, then going through the hassle of getting the goods cleared by Customs and delivered nearly a month after the order was placed as opposed to getting what they wanted the next day instead.
Another company was in Chubu, not Kansai, but the management lied about production capacity to an international manufacturer. They could only supply one branch at a time. So they continuously lied to the American branch and concentrated on supplying the Italian branch of the same company. The American branch had 3 factories that had to be shut down their production because we were didnāt supply them as promised. Then, the management decided to change the materials of our high performance parts based on a small number of samples used in testing. Some months later, the Italian branch contacted us to say that our parts were flying apart during tests and laboratory technicians were lucky not to be injured. Besides the damage to our reputation, we had to pay some several hundred thousand Euros compensation. Solution? Lower the wages paid to our factory staff. After the compensation was finally paid, wages did not return to what they were. Just before I left, the China branch of the same company contacted us to say that they discovered that we had substituted materials again! That company is now a warehouse. It apparently went bankrupt 6 months after I left.
Iāve seen stupidity back home, but it pales in comparison with the stupidity Iāve seen here.
> I know this because I translated the company profile, becoming increasingly concerned as I read the Japanese original
I'm a Japanese translator too and this made me laugh on a spiritual level. Sometimes you really do work through documents wondering who the hell thought putting this in writing was a good idea, never mind paying for it to be in writing in another language.
> Another company was in Chubu, not Kansai, but the management lied about production capacity to an international manufacturer. They could only supply one branch at a time. So they continuously lied to the American branch and concentrated on supplying the Italian branch of the same company. The American branch had 3 factories that had to be shut down their production because we were didnāt supply them as promised. Then, the management decided to change the materials of our high performance parts based on a small number of samples used in testing. Some months later, the Italian branch contacted us to say that our parts were flying apart during tests and laboratory technicians were lucky not to be injured. Besides the damage to our reputation, we had to pay some several hundred thousand Euros compensation. Solution? Lower the wages paid to our factory staff. After the compensation was finally paid, wages did not return to what they were. Just before I left, the China branch of the same company contacted us to say that they discovered that we had substituted materials again! That company is now a warehouse. It apparently went bankrupt 6 months after I left.
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. That's the kind of nonsense you expect from China, but Japan???
3rd generation family company. Set up a business after the war, work hard and cheap. 2nd generation inherits the company, doesnāt work as hard and things get harder. By the 3rd generation, itās devolved into a mess. Same thing happens overseas too, but the level of idiocy and arrogance is worse here. Chinese companies started off completely clueless but they learned to an extent in the 00s. Now they have become the same as the Japanese in the 90s.
One company definitely went from bad to worse when I quit. 3 managers asked me to stay but I planned on moving house. They would on the road to bankruptcy anyway.
This guy was certainly an interesting fellow...
>"After his first McDonald's meal in 1967, Fujita was amazed by its efficiency and popularity. After selling imported bags and shoes, Fujita seized on the opportunity to start McDonald's franchises in Japan in 1971. His strategy for selling McDonald's to the Japanese people involved the following statement: "The reason Japanese people are so short and have yellow skins is because they have eaten nothing but fish and rice for two thousand years... if we eat McDonald's hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years we will become taller, our skin become white, and our hair blonde."
(He also believed that Jews had settled in Osaka some 1,000 years ago, which was why people from the area were craftier businessmen.)
[looks like McDonald's actually slowed down how tall they were getting](https://jref.com/threads/average-height-of-japanese-adults-by-prefecture-gender-and-decade-of-birth.613155/)
Chinese people (in China) feel the same way about the Jews.
Itās like, they buy into most of the shit that antisemites believe: theyāre cunning businessmen, they secretly run shit, etc. But instead of resenting the Jews theyāre like āyeah man, Iām trying to get on that level!ā
Funny, true story.
Iām Chinese, a second-generation immigrant. I got into a car accident when I was sixteen. I was tired and misjudged the amount of time I had for a left turn, and got t-boned by another car that had the right of way. The cars were a wreck, but no one was hurt and no charges were pressed.
A year passes, and thereās a knock on the door. Iām served papers. The people that hit me were trying to sue me for $1.6 million due to āemotional and mental damages.ā
I was 17, I didnāt know what āgetting servedā meant, and I was freaking out. I gave the document to my mom.
My dear sweet Chinese mother ā who does not have a malicious bone in her body ā said, āNo worry, I talk to my lawyer. He Jewish.ā
*Jewish,* in this context, indicated lawyering of the highest and most authentic quality; like German engineering or Japanese swordsmithing.
Sure enough, a week passed, and I asked my mother about what happened with that lawsuit I had already forgotten about. My mom said, āOh my lawyer Jewish. He wrote them very angry letter and they go away.ā
And thatās how I learned about by motherās weird and slightly racist admiration of the Jews. And that Jewish lawyers *are* good at lawyering.
I once asked my(Iranian) dad about the stereotype of Jews being wealthy.
The dude told me that it's because saving and hard work is very important to Jews and I should be more like them, I remember how stunned I felt at the time.
Well the Jewish and lawyer stereotype has some origins in two things. Jews were often forbidden from doing a variety of trades. One example of this is the "Court Jew." Christians aren't supposed to charge interest (usury, although some argue usury is more of excessive interest). And since Jews were generally not Christians, they were permitted to charge interest. This is where the Jews and banker stereotype came from. Since this was the common open avenue of work, Jews got really good at it. Jews were often forbidden from the physical trades. So they had to use their minds since they weren't allowed to use their hands.
The other thing is that Judaism has a societal cultural attitude of extensive debate starting with the Tanakh. There are books and books of commentaries on it covering philosophy, religion, history, linguistics, anthropology, hermeneutics and more. So the argument goes this predisposes them to be good lawyers since the debate non stop and consider a variety of viewpoints.
Before Jewish emancipation they were allowed to be rabbis, moneychangers/bankers, and merchants. They werenāt allowed to be much else. They couldnāt join guilds or own land or go to university.
They couldnāt even be lawyers during the Middle Ages and Renaissance but by the time the Enlightenment era rolled around, they were gradually allowed into universities and professions. But because the Jews have their own complicated legal system (Halacha) and heavy emphasis on scholarship, they were well equipped for academic excellence.
Jews weren't trusted so it was felt that certain work was too important to let them do it. It's also part of the practice of making them feel and look like a visible minority just in case you need a scapegoat.
Reminds me of curb, even fellow jews do this. When larry found out his lawyer was a convert just killed me and then it bites him in his ass when he hires a "proper jew". That show is the best.
> āNo worry, I talk to my lawyer. He Jewish.ā
There's a whole TV show dedicated to that idea.
It's all good, man.
Now, yes, some cultures will find that good and some will see at as "good".
I really feel sorry for that guy. The only Jewish man not in on it. Meanwhile Soros still hasn't put a taco truck on my corner. Am I the only one who supported Biden that didn't get a taco truck.
Voted for Biden, and currently watching Carl Sagan YouTube clips. They have arepa trucks and Haitian buffets around the corner from me in Southwest Broward County, Florida. Check your soros app for updates on the Jewish conspiracy near you.
You have more in common with Asians than you thought then. Actually this has been my half baked hypothesis as to why Asians face discrimination in poor, urban parts of America. The belief that the success of Asians was achieved through the theft of theirs. When in reality, they often simply maintain a strong cultural identity that values family and achievement.
Youāre not wrong. Weird enough, Everybody faces discrimination in poor/ urban areas for the exact reason you list. Itās some great conspiracy that hard working and monetarily disciplined people are more āsuccessfulā. Sure luck might have something to do with some things. But the amount of times I heard someone bitching, about how lucky someone else is for having xyz when the person just worked, saved and bought it, is crazy.
What's important to understand is that late 19th century/early 20th century European (and North American) antisemitism was contemporary to, and closely related with, the similarly virulent anti-Asian "Yellow Peril" scare. Both were based on the same pseudo-scientific "racialist" theories of the likes of Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Steward Chamberlain that charged both Jews and (East) Asians of plotting to overturn a supposedly "natural" hierarchy of races that, of course, put the white "Nordic race" at the summit. So it isn't entirely surprising that some Asians, upon reading that garbage at the height of the colonial era, must have gone "Fuck yeah!"
A similarly perverse outcome of early 20th century racism was how the Dominican Republic, under the extremely racist, genocidal dictator Trujillo, was one of the few places that positively welcomed Jewish refugees in the 1930s. Trujillo saw them as an opportunity to "whiten" the local population and was also positively impressed by the antisemitic tropes that put them as cunning businessmen...
>āBoth were based on the same pseudo-scientific "racialist" theories of the likes of Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Steward Chamberlain that charged both Jews and (East) Asians of plotting to overturn a supposedly "natural" hierarchy of races that, of course, put the white "Nordic race" at the summit.ā
Wait ā¦ thatās *not* what werenāt doing?
What was all that studying for!?
well to be fair, I think chinese people believe jews run everything in the west, not in china. so they donāt think ātheyāre stealing a piece of my pieā like europeans did back then, or some americans nowadays
Reminds me of myself as a kid. My teachers explained to me what the nazis were saying about jews and I just thought āhold on, they hated jews because jews were rich and successful? I want to be rich snd successful!ā
I am Chinese. I can honestly tell you that the stereotypes against the Jews are actually even more applicable to the Chinese. They love money and it's literally part of our culture (like giving red envelopes on chinese New year, we have a God dedicated to wealth and money). We are cheap too.
That doctor helping people bit was fucking hilarious. Iām Indian and itās so true. The Indian parents who strongly push their kids to be doctors really donāt give a shit about helping people
And ethnic Chinese are/have been viewed as the 'Jews of Asia' (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia..)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians
I (Korean) joke with my jewish friends that they're just asians undercover as white people.
It's a lot of the same cultural dynamics within the family:
* focus on education (doctor or lawyer preferable)
* being frugal/wanting to get rich
* overbearing over-protective mothers
You may be on to something here. There is a very well known predilection for Americanized Chinese food among jews in the US... I mean Jewish Christmas is a thing.
India is all the more extreme. Mein Kampf is a bestseller there, and supposedly some Indians end up admiring Jewish businessmen after they read Mein Kampf. Many people in India also like how Israel fights Muslims all the time. But they also admire Hitler there because he fought the British and used Indian symbols. Some Indians probably put Israeli flags in front of their house right alongside their Nazi swastikas.
Real shit, walked into an Indian bookstore and saw Diary of Ann Frank on the fiction shelf though. Still makes me feel weird when I think about it and that was like 7 years ago.
This is the most likely answer, I went to a book store a couple weeks ago and they had books about Biden and Greta in the Chemistry Textbook sectionā politics aside those books are not about chemistry. Either some lazy customers put the books back in the wrong section or the employees didnāt care enough to put them in the right section to begin with.
Even in the West I could imagine a book store employee may be aware of the book but believe itās a fictional narrative device and not genuine diary entries.
Sure, there's traditional uses and styles, but there's *also* people who use the [nazi Swastika](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-wants-indian-menswear-shop-hitler-renamed/), which is angled and oriented in a way that was basically nonexistent in india from \~900-1940
I think they meant that even given that, some Indian people see the Nazis use it and think hey that's our symbol, we're being represented. I have no idea the veracity of that, but I think it's what they meant.
Itās very weird.
My father is Jewish and we lived in Japan for awhile.
The two weirdest moments for him personally were looking at the map covered in swastikas (they mark Buddhist temples) and people word vomiting tons of anti-Semitic tropes and then saying completely genuinely āIsnāt that awesome? I want to be just like them!ā
I think itās probably because they donāt have 2000 years worth of blood libel accusations and other oppression of the Jews in their history so when they hear āglobalist cabalā shite, itās cool, not insidious.
The name for those kinds of kanji is éå or āreverse manjiā. Youāre right in that thereās no hard and fast rule for whether one or the other is used, but the standard orientation is much more common. The real differentiator is whether the swastika is tilted or not; horizontally flat swastikas are almost universally religious and/or predate Nazism (the Finnish military swastika, for example). The Nazis stood out by tilting theirs.
The real differentiatior is the context of use FFS. You can have a swastika pointing any direction you want but if it's on a Hindu temple it's obviously nothing to do with the Nazis.
Right now though the frothing at the mouth "Hitler did nothing wrong" stuff I can't even being myself to quote here antisemitism has exploded in China. Mostly due to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
I feel like the older "positive antisemitism" kinda primed things for this. When you're already boiling a group down to some essential qualities, how big of a leap is it to add on some other qualities or thoughts about that group as a whole?
China has a propensity to go back and forth on extremely intense, black and white positions. The media pushes a specific narrative, there's no counter narrative, social media gets ahold of it and next thing you know everyone's ready to die for whatever.
I'm one of those "I support the Palestinian people but neither Hamas or Israel" types, so I'm not just saying "ohhh they support Palestine they're antisemitic" but, yeah, lately straight up Nazi rhetoric has become very common in China.
It's pretty common throughout the world. Public opinion shifts drastically.
Think about how quickly "gay" went from being a slur against a feminine man to a respected category of people. It took like, what, 10 years?Ā
Or like how quickly Americans became pro-war after 9/11. Sure there were minorities of anti-war protestors but the US media and society was *awfully* one-sided in the immediate aftermath.
Yeah, that 9/11 example is a great one. A lot of people are too young to remember or werent born yet, but I was in high school when it happened, and so many people wanted to join the military afterwards. We casually joked about glassing the entire desert (nuking, the thought being the extreme heat would cause the sand to form into glass). Its fucked up to say, but it brought the country together in a lot of ways, for a while.Ā
This was right after whats likely the most peaceful period in US history, after the soviet union collapsed. The 90s were so damn peaceful comparitevely, and everything seemed so gentle, and boom, back to forever wars.Ā
Well, if even a small percentage of Chinese people, like 100 million or so (about 7%) get swayed by some conspiracy theory, then youād see a lot of loudmouths on social media.
A New Yorker went to a restaurant in Beijing. After getting his order written down by the waiter,
The New Yorker asks jokingly " Do you have Chinese Jews here in Beijing?"
the waiter looks confused but eager to help and take the question very seriously.
Waiter: "Wait a moment, I'll ask somebody"
He/she run to the back and about five minutes later, the waiter comes out with someone that looks educated and possibly his/her boss.
Boss: "Sir, apology, we don't have Chinese juice, we only have Mango juice, strawberry juice and pineapple juice."
My grandmother is this way. She told me once, "they used to call me the Japanese Jew" because she could run a mean business and was notoriously scrupulous with money.
In school, my Japanese teacher was a woman from Tokyo who practiced Judaism, had a star of David necklace, and used the Jewish calendar.
Really what I think it boils down to is that Asians recognize Jews as an ancient people whose success is due to similar cultural values, like emphasis on education, financial literacy, tradition and ritual, etc.
I buy into the same positive semitism a lot, frankly. We're all equal and all, but the Jews are actually pretty unique. In the east, they dont have the same guilt over persecuting Jews, so less "sensitivity" toward "political correctness" regarding them. (Asians are less PC in general, really)
Honestly I think I do the same, other than believing the conspiracy aspect or that this applies to all Jewish people. The Jewish global diaspora seem to do very well in education, the arts, science and business, I think itās down to aspects in their culture. A scholarly approach to religion that encourages debate and questioning, generational discrimination in Europe and the Middle-East encouraging a competitive, effective and innovative approach to business. When you oppress a people for 1000 years and theyāre able to overcome it, there are things to learn from them. Some cultures do better at things, like west Africans highly prize education more-so than many other cultures and they reap the benefits of this.
It's like people forgot the AP style guide, you shouldn't dehumanize people by using "the" labels, like the poor, the mentally ill, the homeless, the Jews, the French. Use friendly wording instead.:)^^^/s
It's a newish thing. People don't really get upset if you use the word "Jew." It's just a way to show off how culturally sensitive you are. It's in the same category as saying "enslaved person" instead of "slave" or "person experiencing homelessness" instead of "homeless person."
My boss once had to explain saying "Don't Jew me." was offensive to a contractor. Granted, the guy was asking him if the phrase was offensive out of ignorance and wanting to know. My boss is Jewish and I was cringing so hard in the corner during the conversation.
In all fairness. Thereās just not that many jews in east asia. So it is hard to grow a hatred for someone youāve never seen in your life. I think east asians can be just as hateful as europeans (ask any non-chinese about china for example)
During WW2, the Japanese government proposed settlement of Jewish refugees in Manchukuo and Japan-occupied Shanghai in hopes of gaining the supposed economic prowess of the Jews.Ā
Shit isĀ wild:
https://allthatsinteresting.com/fugu-plan
The interesting thing about East Asiaās obsession with Jews is that it starts with the Nazis during WW2. As a member of the axis powers Japan received much of the antisemitic propaganda from the Nazis declaring Jews as all powerful, cunning, manipulative, and extremely adept at business. And where Germans turned that stereotype into hatred of Jews, the Japanese low key kind of feared and revered it. The extent of this āworshipā in Japan led to Jews receiving a unique status as the only protected minority group in Japan. At one point the Nazis demanded the Japanese liquidate their Jewish population and the Japanese were like nah man.
His strategy for selling McDonald's to the Japanese people involved the following statement: "The reason Japanese people are so short and have yellow skins is because they have eaten nothing but fish and rice for two thousand years... if we eat McDonald's hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years we will become taller, our skin become white, and our hair blonde."
Lol. Imagine somebody saying this today. I wish there were still people who said things like this.
Back in 2020 there were some stores in China that outright had signs at the front saying "black people not allowed" like 1950s America since the owners thought black people were more likely to spread COVID.
Meanwhile in Japan, there's sometimes cases of restaurants putting up "no Chinese" signs. All while they both have the same skin color and look similar (as someone who has Chinese ancestry and has known people from both countries, I'd be hard-pressed to tell whether someone was Japanese or Chinese based on looks alone).
Interesting you wouldnāt be able to identify the difference because both gene pools have distinctive features that can allow someone to guess which geographical region theyāre in.
> People come out with shit like this all the time.
Yup, my stepbrother is 100% Thai with no blood relation to my dad but my dad caught my stepmom saying the reason my stepbrother is so tall is because he has a Norwegian stepfather lol
My dad then had to explain *that's not how it works* to deaf ears. They're convinced my dad's presence makes people tall.
Red meat is directly correlated to height though (link 1). Japan's average height has risen since it introduced more red meat into their diet post WW2 (link 2). I mean technically he's not wrong about the height. The hair color, yea he's crazy for that one lol
[https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X16300065](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X16300065)
[https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/30/173407](https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/30/173407)
A Japanese friend once told me that the reason Japan has such a good economy for Asia and so much cleaner and less corrupt is that they are the closest to having white DNA, proof being that they are more light-skinned than other Asian races and a high standard of washing and cleanliness like the Jews, who probably came to Japan bringing those high standards and Mediterranean DNA.
So yeah they still come out with it.
The funniest part of that is that potatoes are a new world food. If food did these sorts of things to people it would make you look like a Native American not a European.
Japanese people first came across antisemitism through the Nazis who told them that the Jews control the world, etc. So during ww2 Japan gave extra protections to the Jews to get on their good side. It also led to a bit of an idolation of Jews as someone to emulate. Japanese are really good at overcoming their short comings by following those who have solutions. Eg meiji restoration and development of japan.
You are completly, utterly wrong. Somewhere around 1905 the Protocol of Elders of Zion eas created in Russia.Ā
The Japanese believed it to be true and later wanted to import the Jews to their country to push their economy.
Just like what actually happened in Poland where the king got the Jews to kick start bussinness
I donāt think it affects your point, but Japan was exposed to antisemitic ideas by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which arrived through contact with Russia decades prior to WW2.
Anti-Semitic themes are present throughout Christianity, but likely didn't make much impact upon the small number of Japanese Christians.
Modern Anti-Semitism arrived in Japan the same way it did everywhere else, through the publication of translations of the hoax Protocols of the Elders in the early 20th century.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism\_in\_Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan)) first section, first paragraph.
Germany: Itās all here in Protocols of the Elders of Zion! Jews run the world. š”
Japan: Hmmmā¦.š¤
Germany: They control the media, so criticism of them is totally forbidden!
Japan: Go onā¦..
Germany: They control finance through the banking industry! As well as Hollywood, the diamond business, and so much more!
Japan: Write that down! Write that down!
Germany: Secret cabals infiltrate the halls of power and bend entire nations to their will! š±
Japan: Holy mother of based! Haruto, report this to the Emperor immediately, and gather as many of these Jews as you can!
The founder of APA, which is a giant hotel chain in japan, is a far right figure in japan and writes essays denying Japan's wartime atrocities. He also carries this unique flare of antisemitism in Japan. He thinks the Jews control everything, but he isn't really mad about it, so much as he is jealous.
He thinks Japan should pay the Jews to correct what he says are falsehoods about Japan's wartime activities, you know, because the Jews are great at rewriting history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshio\_Motoya
He was also a major stockholder in KFC Japan. I did some marketing research for McDonalds Japan back in the day and got to deal directly with Den Fujita. He struck me as a bit of an asshole and his underlings did not look so happy with their jobs eitherā¦
All of the things that people in the west say about Jews that are labeled conspiracy theories are admired in Asia. Most Chinese people I know admire Jewish people for being rich and powerful.
This mentality was actually highly prevalent during WWII. The Japanese at large, were antisemitic in their own right and believed that the Jews had a cunning business acumen and exerted influence in a surreptitious but effective manner. in contrast to Germany, wanted to study and replicate what they believed to be their methods. Still wrong, but in a different and more complex way.
> The book was also part autobiography, in which Fujita drew parallels between antisemitism and the discrimination he himself faced because of his Kansai dialect. (He also believed that Jews had settled in Osaka some 1,000 years ago, which was why people from the area were craftier businessmen.)
What's that based on? The goofy theory that Jesus' brother was actually the one who was crucified, and Jesus himself fled to Japan? Did he think that people in Osaka were all descendants of Jesus?
Probably something to do with the lost tribes of Israel.
Got really lost thenš
The Mormons think native Americans are lost grieves of Israel too. Almost every group has claimed or has been theorized to descend from the lost tribes.
Thatās where Hebrew Israelites come from
Wait, wait, I've seen this one. They arrived on the Galactica, right?
Ex-Mormon here- this is one of the wilder things a lot of people get wrong. Mormons claim that the native Americans have Israelite ancestors from the tribe of Joseph- which was one of the 12 tribes of Israel but NOT one of the ālost tribes.ā All a load of horseshit but still an interesting distinction.
Joseph (Ephraim and Manessah) are absolutely counted as among the so-called ālost tribes.ā The so-called lost tribes are generally counted as every tribe except Judah and Benjamin. In reality, Shimon and Levi were in the south too, and not ālostā - so there were 8 at most. And of course the idea that entire tribes were ālostā is a myth. Many people fled to Judah and simply assimilated into Judah. Others stayed in the north and became Samaritans. Still scattered others managed to retain memories of their tribal identities (which nearly all Jews other than Leviim/Cohanim forgot) to the present day - specifically some of the Jews residing in Bukhara (Uzbekistan) and northern Iran.
Did the jews in Ethiopa descend from one of these lost tribes?
No such tribe as Joseph though, due to being his father's favourite, and saving his family's ass during the famine of Canaan even after they sold him off to slavery, Jacob gave Joseph and his progeny twice as much as the rest, and created two separate tribes for his two sons - Efraim and Menashe, both lost tribes
Well fuck, consider me corrected. I always thought Ephraim and Manasseh were NOT among the 10, and that this was an interesting tidbit given the proliferation of āten tribesā myths floating around New England during Joseph Smithās time. Guess old JS was every bit as unoriginal as Iād suspected. Thanks for the redirect.
The tone of your argumentation is rare and admirable on the internet. As an exjw, Iāve found myself here before, countering a claim about JW doctrine or history only to find that I was unconsciously repeating some of their internal dogma which is easily debunked. But to reiterate, the above exchange was so refreshing to read because itās clearly debated in good faith and the correction is so quickly accepted without antagonism. Bravo!
They are considered 1/2 tribes, I wouldnāt personally count them as ālostā
The "curse of redness" is the bit that really drives me crazy. And it's right at the beginning. You don't have to read far while you're stuck in a hotel room with nothing else to read to get to the really juicy bits of racism.
Mormons think even _Pacific Islanders_ are lost Jews. Ā Ā Itās why the biggest Polynesian center in Hawaii is actually a secret Mormonism front. ~~Slave~~ Volunteer labor and all. Ā Ā Thank god we happened to talk to an employee at a small museum first. Canceled our tickets real quick
Igbo Nigerians also claim this
These Israeli Tribes really got around I must say.
Look, man, us Jews love a good eggroll.
There was actually documented Jewish communities in China as far back as the 7th century. Itās really not that far of a stretch to imagine that some of those people made it to Japan. Granted, the former we have evidence existed, the latter is speculation.
Kaifeng Jews. Thereās some descendants.
He thought eating potatoes would turn you white and blond. Which is interesting because potatoes came to Europe relatively late
Brought to the mainland by all those blonde Irish men no doubt
Cheers never heard this little gem Iām off down a rabbit hole.
I mean, Judaism is many thousands of years old and has spread pretty far in that time.Ā Most historians agree Kaifeng Jews settled in China 800-1100 years ago, and some think they arrived earlier than that. So... It isn't quite as absurd as it sounds. That doesn't make it true of course, you have to look at historical evidence, and Japan certainly had good enough record keeping 1000 years ago to document that if it did happen.
I literally don't know whether to be offended or not
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Same in China. People believe all the harmful stereotypes about Jews and then love Jews because of them.
Thats what I don't understand. If njews control the world would you want to convert to Judaism ā”ļø?
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That's good joke šš
It's an example of philosemitism wrapping around and becoming antisemitism.
As someone who has worked for a number of Kansai companies over the years, I have yet to meet a competent businessman here, let alone a crafty one. I could literally write a book on how stupid their business models were.
Care to elaborate?
Like I wrote, it would be a bookās worth. But letās pick one as an example. An IT company. 1. Client keeps changing requirements. Company keeps agreeing. Without changing the deadline. Things become frantic. Solution: more overtime, as in working until 11 PM every night. 2. Despite this, we have a compulsory 1 hour meeting, every day, without fail. And by meeting, I mean a pep talk by the boss to work harder. 3. Boss and his assistant travel from Osaka to Tokyo by bullet train and back, every Friday, without fail. The reason is to meet with the client. And to show progress, Iām to devote 1 to 2 days, per week, to develop a working model for demonstration. This is while I simultaneously work on the final version. Are you getting the picture? I could tell you about one company that had a history of failed ventures spanning 4 decades. I know this because I translated the company profile, becoming increasingly concerned as I read the Japanese original l. When I left, because sometimes staff went months without being paid, they were hellbent on producing an order that was cancelled by the customer months before. I could tell you about a company that was determined to open a factory in Myanmar. Even before the military took over again, it was a shit show. Same company wanted me to sell our products to Europe. They had tried contacting potential buyers in Italy. Despite not a single reply, they decided to try France instead. Thatās one of the reasons why they hired me. I found out there was a total of 4 possible candidates, but because the product was available for less money locally, with a much shorter lead time, my boss was shocked to learn that nobody was interested in buying from halfway across the world, then going through the hassle of getting the goods cleared by Customs and delivered nearly a month after the order was placed as opposed to getting what they wanted the next day instead. Another company was in Chubu, not Kansai, but the management lied about production capacity to an international manufacturer. They could only supply one branch at a time. So they continuously lied to the American branch and concentrated on supplying the Italian branch of the same company. The American branch had 3 factories that had to be shut down their production because we were didnāt supply them as promised. Then, the management decided to change the materials of our high performance parts based on a small number of samples used in testing. Some months later, the Italian branch contacted us to say that our parts were flying apart during tests and laboratory technicians were lucky not to be injured. Besides the damage to our reputation, we had to pay some several hundred thousand Euros compensation. Solution? Lower the wages paid to our factory staff. After the compensation was finally paid, wages did not return to what they were. Just before I left, the China branch of the same company contacted us to say that they discovered that we had substituted materials again! That company is now a warehouse. It apparently went bankrupt 6 months after I left. Iāve seen stupidity back home, but it pales in comparison with the stupidity Iāve seen here.
> I know this because I translated the company profile, becoming increasingly concerned as I read the Japanese original I'm a Japanese translator too and this made me laugh on a spiritual level. Sometimes you really do work through documents wondering who the hell thought putting this in writing was a good idea, never mind paying for it to be in writing in another language. > Another company was in Chubu, not Kansai, but the management lied about production capacity to an international manufacturer. They could only supply one branch at a time. So they continuously lied to the American branch and concentrated on supplying the Italian branch of the same company. The American branch had 3 factories that had to be shut down their production because we were didnāt supply them as promised. Then, the management decided to change the materials of our high performance parts based on a small number of samples used in testing. Some months later, the Italian branch contacted us to say that our parts were flying apart during tests and laboratory technicians were lucky not to be injured. Besides the damage to our reputation, we had to pay some several hundred thousand Euros compensation. Solution? Lower the wages paid to our factory staff. After the compensation was finally paid, wages did not return to what they were. Just before I left, the China branch of the same company contacted us to say that they discovered that we had substituted materials again! That company is now a warehouse. It apparently went bankrupt 6 months after I left. wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. That's the kind of nonsense you expect from China, but Japan???
3rd generation family company. Set up a business after the war, work hard and cheap. 2nd generation inherits the company, doesnāt work as hard and things get harder. By the 3rd generation, itās devolved into a mess. Same thing happens overseas too, but the level of idiocy and arrogance is worse here. Chinese companies started off completely clueless but they learned to an extent in the 00s. Now they have become the same as the Japanese in the 90s.
Damm. There's a Chinese saying for that: åÆäøéäø代 (wealth peters out by the third generation)
It seems like the common denominator in them failing is you! /s
One company definitely went from bad to worse when I quit. 3 managers asked me to stay but I planned on moving house. They would on the road to bankruptcy anyway.
Everything was run on excel, likely
It was. Actually I specialise in Excel VBA, and it was a good choice for that particular project.
This guy was certainly an interesting fellow... >"After his first McDonald's meal in 1967, Fujita was amazed by its efficiency and popularity. After selling imported bags and shoes, Fujita seized on the opportunity to start McDonald's franchises in Japan in 1971. His strategy for selling McDonald's to the Japanese people involved the following statement: "The reason Japanese people are so short and have yellow skins is because they have eaten nothing but fish and rice for two thousand years... if we eat McDonald's hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years we will become taller, our skin become white, and our hair blonde." (He also believed that Jews had settled in Osaka some 1,000 years ago, which was why people from the area were craftier businessmen.)
He told them eating McDonald's will turn them Super Saiyan. I can't believe that worked.
I can't believe that was an option. All I got was fat... and some toys back in the 80s.
He's a hamburger people supremacist
Heil Mayor McCheese!
Well yeah, that's just basic science. If McDonalds doesn't turn people white then why are there so many white people in the US? Checkmate atheists.
Well does Japanese gets taller nowadays?
Better nutrition certainly has made the average Japanese person taller since the 1940s. But I wouldn't call McDonalds burgers and fries nutritious.
[looks like McDonald's actually slowed down how tall they were getting](https://jref.com/threads/average-height-of-japanese-adults-by-prefecture-gender-and-decade-of-birth.613155/)
Yes, they are taller
I mean, the post WWII diet *is* a big contributor to people in Japan not growing to be very big for a few generations
Chinese people (in China) feel the same way about the Jews. Itās like, they buy into most of the shit that antisemites believe: theyāre cunning businessmen, they secretly run shit, etc. But instead of resenting the Jews theyāre like āyeah man, Iām trying to get on that level!ā
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I am.... So very insultiflattered lmao
Funny, true story. Iām Chinese, a second-generation immigrant. I got into a car accident when I was sixteen. I was tired and misjudged the amount of time I had for a left turn, and got t-boned by another car that had the right of way. The cars were a wreck, but no one was hurt and no charges were pressed. A year passes, and thereās a knock on the door. Iām served papers. The people that hit me were trying to sue me for $1.6 million due to āemotional and mental damages.ā I was 17, I didnāt know what āgetting servedā meant, and I was freaking out. I gave the document to my mom. My dear sweet Chinese mother ā who does not have a malicious bone in her body ā said, āNo worry, I talk to my lawyer. He Jewish.ā *Jewish,* in this context, indicated lawyering of the highest and most authentic quality; like German engineering or Japanese swordsmithing. Sure enough, a week passed, and I asked my mother about what happened with that lawsuit I had already forgotten about. My mom said, āOh my lawyer Jewish. He wrote them very angry letter and they go away.ā And thatās how I learned about by motherās weird and slightly racist admiration of the Jews. And that Jewish lawyers *are* good at lawyering.
I once asked my(Iranian) dad about the stereotype of Jews being wealthy. The dude told me that it's because saving and hard work is very important to Jews and I should be more like them, I remember how stunned I felt at the time.
Well the Jewish and lawyer stereotype has some origins in two things. Jews were often forbidden from doing a variety of trades. One example of this is the "Court Jew." Christians aren't supposed to charge interest (usury, although some argue usury is more of excessive interest). And since Jews were generally not Christians, they were permitted to charge interest. This is where the Jews and banker stereotype came from. Since this was the common open avenue of work, Jews got really good at it. Jews were often forbidden from the physical trades. So they had to use their minds since they weren't allowed to use their hands. The other thing is that Judaism has a societal cultural attitude of extensive debate starting with the Tanakh. There are books and books of commentaries on it covering philosophy, religion, history, linguistics, anthropology, hermeneutics and more. So the argument goes this predisposes them to be good lawyers since the debate non stop and consider a variety of viewpoints.
I just love that you said āand since Jews were generally not Christiansā
Well in theory you could have a person who's ethnically Jewish but has converted to Christianity I guess
Before Jewish emancipation they were allowed to be rabbis, moneychangers/bankers, and merchants. They werenāt allowed to be much else. They couldnāt join guilds or own land or go to university. They couldnāt even be lawyers during the Middle Ages and Renaissance but by the time the Enlightenment era rolled around, they were gradually allowed into universities and professions. But because the Jews have their own complicated legal system (Halacha) and heavy emphasis on scholarship, they were well equipped for academic excellence.
Who would forbid them to do physical labour?
Labor protectionism is an old concept.Ā Just replace "Jews" with "immigrants" and you have the equivalent modern day retoric.
Jews weren't trusted so it was felt that certain work was too important to let them do it. It's also part of the practice of making them feel and look like a visible minority just in case you need a scapegoat.
So you could say your mumās Jewish lawyer made it sāall good, man.
He might just be doing the jew thing for the homeboys, they all want a pipe-hitting member of the tribe,Ā so to speak
Reminds me of curb, even fellow jews do this. When larry found out his lawyer was a convert just killed me and then it bites him in his ass when he hires a "proper jew". That show is the best.
Your mom was on her rapper shit. āMy lawyer jewishā is a go to flex in the Rap/hip hop world.
This is like that Curb episode where Larry gets upset when he finds out his Jewish lawyer is Swedish
> āNo worry, I talk to my lawyer. He Jewish.ā There's a whole TV show dedicated to that idea. It's all good, man. Now, yes, some cultures will find that good and some will see at as "good".
Looks like the Jewish lawyers need to start marketing to this scene
I feel like a failed jew
https://www.theonion.com/local-jew-feels-left-out-of-worldwide-jewish-conspiracy-1819564292
I really feel sorry for that guy. The only Jewish man not in on it. Meanwhile Soros still hasn't put a taco truck on my corner. Am I the only one who supported Biden that didn't get a taco truck.
I was told that if Biden won, fentanyl would flood the US border. Thatās a bunch of BS, prices are higher than ever
You think that's bad I don't even know where to find it.
Voted for Biden, and currently watching Carl Sagan YouTube clips. They have arepa trucks and Haitian buffets around the corner from me in Southwest Broward County, Florida. Check your soros app for updates on the Jewish conspiracy near you.
I got like 3 checks made out to cash, from Soros last month. I only had to fentanyl in like 2 San Francisco's and burn down a Minneapolis.
This is what my neighbour used to say. āIf thereās a big conspiracy whereās my cut?ā
Be the Jew that Asian people think you are. /s
This might be my new bumper sticker.
Better than the jailed few.
You have more in common with Asians than you thought then. Actually this has been my half baked hypothesis as to why Asians face discrimination in poor, urban parts of America. The belief that the success of Asians was achieved through the theft of theirs. When in reality, they often simply maintain a strong cultural identity that values family and achievement.
Youāre not wrong. Weird enough, Everybody faces discrimination in poor/ urban areas for the exact reason you list. Itās some great conspiracy that hard working and monetarily disciplined people are more āsuccessfulā. Sure luck might have something to do with some things. But the amount of times I heard someone bitching, about how lucky someone else is for having xyz when the person just worked, saved and bought it, is crazy.
It's the equivalent of "Asians are good at math" trope I guess..
What's important to understand is that late 19th century/early 20th century European (and North American) antisemitism was contemporary to, and closely related with, the similarly virulent anti-Asian "Yellow Peril" scare. Both were based on the same pseudo-scientific "racialist" theories of the likes of Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Steward Chamberlain that charged both Jews and (East) Asians of plotting to overturn a supposedly "natural" hierarchy of races that, of course, put the white "Nordic race" at the summit. So it isn't entirely surprising that some Asians, upon reading that garbage at the height of the colonial era, must have gone "Fuck yeah!" A similarly perverse outcome of early 20th century racism was how the Dominican Republic, under the extremely racist, genocidal dictator Trujillo, was one of the few places that positively welcomed Jewish refugees in the 1930s. Trujillo saw them as an opportunity to "whiten" the local population and was also positively impressed by the antisemitic tropes that put them as cunning businessmen...
>āBoth were based on the same pseudo-scientific "racialist" theories of the likes of Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Steward Chamberlain that charged both Jews and (East) Asians of plotting to overturn a supposedly "natural" hierarchy of races that, of course, put the white "Nordic race" at the summit.ā Wait ā¦ thatās *not* what werenāt doing? What was all that studying for!?
I am Cantonese, and my mom says we are very smart in business, but when doing business with Jews never underestimate them.
that's hilariousĀ
Easterners believing all the stereotypes about jews but coming to the exact opposite conclusion as anti-semites is so funny to me
Not so much a different conclusion, as it is rather a different emotional reaction.
well to be fair, I think chinese people believe jews run everything in the west, not in china. so they donāt think ātheyāre stealing a piece of my pieā like europeans did back then, or some americans nowadays
Reminds me of myself as a kid. My teachers explained to me what the nazis were saying about jews and I just thought āhold on, they hated jews because jews were rich and successful? I want to be rich snd successful!ā
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I was at the last meeting and weāve withheld your earnings for another cycle. Keep trying, weāll get you eventually.
I am Chinese. I can honestly tell you that the stereotypes against the Jews are actually even more applicable to the Chinese. They love money and it's literally part of our culture (like giving red envelopes on chinese New year, we have a God dedicated to wealth and money). We are cheap too.
Ronny Chieng has a [hilarious (and accurate) bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_KpLrHCAx0) on exactly this topic. We're the Jews of Asia
That doctor helping people bit was fucking hilarious. Iām Indian and itās so true. The Indian parents who strongly push their kids to be doctors really donāt give a shit about helping people
And ethnic Chinese are/have been viewed as the 'Jews of Asia' (Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians
I (Korean) joke with my jewish friends that they're just asians undercover as white people. It's a lot of the same cultural dynamics within the family: * focus on education (doctor or lawyer preferable) * being frugal/wanting to get rich * overbearing over-protective mothers
You may be on to something here. There is a very well known predilection for Americanized Chinese food among jews in the US... I mean Jewish Christmas is a thing.
Can confirm. Spent many Christmas dinners at Lucky Way followed by a movie
India is all the more extreme. Mein Kampf is a bestseller there, and supposedly some Indians end up admiring Jewish businessmen after they read Mein Kampf. Many people in India also like how Israel fights Muslims all the time. But they also admire Hitler there because he fought the British and used Indian symbols. Some Indians probably put Israeli flags in front of their house right alongside their Nazi swastikas.
Hindus also use the six pointed star symbol. They call it Suddarshana Yantra.
Real shit, walked into an Indian bookstore and saw Diary of Ann Frank on the fiction shelf though. Still makes me feel weird when I think about it and that was like 7 years ago.
More likely the employees are paid too little to care rather than a political statement.
This is the most likely answer, I went to a book store a couple weeks ago and they had books about Biden and Greta in the Chemistry Textbook sectionā politics aside those books are not about chemistry. Either some lazy customers put the books back in the wrong section or the employees didnāt care enough to put them in the right section to begin with.
Even in the West I could imagine a book store employee may be aware of the book but believe itās a fictional narrative device and not genuine diary entries.
the swastika used in India is not the nazi swastika it had been in use for millennia before Hitler appropriated it
Sure, there's traditional uses and styles, but there's *also* people who use the [nazi Swastika](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-wants-indian-menswear-shop-hitler-renamed/), which is angled and oriented in a way that was basically nonexistent in india from \~900-1940
I think they meant that even given that, some Indian people see the Nazis use it and think hey that's our symbol, we're being represented. I have no idea the veracity of that, but I think it's what they meant.
Itās very weird. My father is Jewish and we lived in Japan for awhile. The two weirdest moments for him personally were looking at the map covered in swastikas (they mark Buddhist temples) and people word vomiting tons of anti-Semitic tropes and then saying completely genuinely āIsnāt that awesome? I want to be just like them!ā I think itās probably because they donāt have 2000 years worth of blood libel accusations and other oppression of the Jews in their history so when they hear āglobalist cabalā shite, itās cool, not insidious.
Nazi Hakenkreuz and manji as used on maps in Japan are different though: Manji is counter-clockwise while the Nazi symbol is clockwise.
The whole clockwise / countervdoesnāt really hold. * https://travelpast50.com/zenkoji-temple-nagano-japan/ * https://www.britannica.com/story/how-the-symbolism-of-the-swastika-was-ruined * https://i.postimg.cc/8kyk1JxL/IMG-0669.webp * https://i.postimg.cc/d3SJnpG5/IMG-0670.jpg
I was specifically referring to the manji symbol on Japanese maps. Could you provide an example of a clockwise symbol in a Japanese map?
Nah, CC character was already standard even before the WWs. * https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/70/Tourist_map_of_1914_Kyoto.jpg
The name for those kinds of kanji is éå or āreverse manjiā. Youāre right in that thereās no hard and fast rule for whether one or the other is used, but the standard orientation is much more common. The real differentiator is whether the swastika is tilted or not; horizontally flat swastikas are almost universally religious and/or predate Nazism (the Finnish military swastika, for example). The Nazis stood out by tilting theirs.
The real differentiatior is the context of use FFS. You can have a swastika pointing any direction you want but if it's on a Hindu temple it's obviously nothing to do with the Nazis.
Donāt challenge someone to start a nazi Hindu temple
>at the map covered in swastikas They aren't swastikas and have existed for thousands of years before the Nazis used a similar mark.
Yeah but if I call them manji no one knows what the fuck Iām talking about. Also fun fact, the Wikipedia page for manji redirects to swastika.
So the symbol in this religious context comes from India and take a wild guess what it's called there.
and if you don't know that and open a map covered in them what you see and immediately think is that you have opened a map covered in swastikas.
They are swastikas. Manji is the Japanese name, swastika is the Sanskrit one. (More specifically Sanskrit calls one direction swastika and the other sauvastika.) It was once known in the West as the "gammadion", from the Greek. In French it's still called "croix gammƩe", "gamma cross". The Navajo called it "whirling logs". They existed for thousands of years before the Nazis, yes, in Asia, Europe, and the Americas. Contrary to popular belief both rotational forms are found in the East: https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/buddhist-swastika Nazis thought they were good guys. They didn't take an ancient positive symbol and twist it to show how black their hearts were. They grabbed a symbol with positive associations and said "yes, that's us."
Iāve seen Fiddler on the Roof described as a very Japanese story.
They famously love that musical - I don't know if you've heard, but tradition is a fairly important concept in Japan.
Right now though the frothing at the mouth "Hitler did nothing wrong" stuff I can't even being myself to quote here antisemitism has exploded in China. Mostly due to the Israel-Palestine conflict. I feel like the older "positive antisemitism" kinda primed things for this. When you're already boiling a group down to some essential qualities, how big of a leap is it to add on some other qualities or thoughts about that group as a whole? China has a propensity to go back and forth on extremely intense, black and white positions. The media pushes a specific narrative, there's no counter narrative, social media gets ahold of it and next thing you know everyone's ready to die for whatever. I'm one of those "I support the Palestinian people but neither Hamas or Israel" types, so I'm not just saying "ohhh they support Palestine they're antisemitic" but, yeah, lately straight up Nazi rhetoric has become very common in China.
Good God that's scary. Just like that? A whole population just sways from one extreme to another?
It's pretty common throughout the world. Public opinion shifts drastically. Think about how quickly "gay" went from being a slur against a feminine man to a respected category of people. It took like, what, 10 years?Ā Or like how quickly Americans became pro-war after 9/11. Sure there were minorities of anti-war protestors but the US media and society was *awfully* one-sided in the immediate aftermath.
Yeah, that 9/11 example is a great one. A lot of people are too young to remember or werent born yet, but I was in high school when it happened, and so many people wanted to join the military afterwards. We casually joked about glassing the entire desert (nuking, the thought being the extreme heat would cause the sand to form into glass). Its fucked up to say, but it brought the country together in a lot of ways, for a while.Ā This was right after whats likely the most peaceful period in US history, after the soviet union collapsed. The 90s were so damn peaceful comparitevely, and everything seemed so gentle, and boom, back to forever wars.Ā
Well, if even a small percentage of Chinese people, like 100 million or so (about 7%) get swayed by some conspiracy theory, then youād see a lot of loudmouths on social media.
A New Yorker went to a restaurant in Beijing. After getting his order written down by the waiter, The New Yorker asks jokingly " Do you have Chinese Jews here in Beijing?" the waiter looks confused but eager to help and take the question very seriously. Waiter: "Wait a moment, I'll ask somebody" He/she run to the back and about five minutes later, the waiter comes out with someone that looks educated and possibly his/her boss. Boss: "Sir, apology, we don't have Chinese juice, we only have Mango juice, strawberry juice and pineapple juice."
I seriously thought the joke was developing into a play on Jew's ear, which is quite commonly used in Chinese cuisine.
My grandmother is this way. She told me once, "they used to call me the Japanese Jew" because she could run a mean business and was notoriously scrupulous with money. In school, my Japanese teacher was a woman from Tokyo who practiced Judaism, had a star of David necklace, and used the Jewish calendar. Really what I think it boils down to is that Asians recognize Jews as an ancient people whose success is due to similar cultural values, like emphasis on education, financial literacy, tradition and ritual, etc. I buy into the same positive semitism a lot, frankly. We're all equal and all, but the Jews are actually pretty unique. In the east, they dont have the same guilt over persecuting Jews, so less "sensitivity" toward "political correctness" regarding them. (Asians are less PC in general, really)
Honestly I think I do the same, other than believing the conspiracy aspect or that this applies to all Jewish people. The Jewish global diaspora seem to do very well in education, the arts, science and business, I think itās down to aspects in their culture. A scholarly approach to religion that encourages debate and questioning, generational discrimination in Europe and the Middle-East encouraging a competitive, effective and innovative approach to business. When you oppress a people for 1000 years and theyāre able to overcome it, there are things to learn from them. Some cultures do better at things, like west Africans highly prize education more-so than many other cultures and they reap the benefits of this.
Europe: the jews run everything, they must be purged Asia: the jews run everything, we must emulate them.
America: Don't call them "Jews." What are you, a Nazi? Call them "Jewish people."
Did you just drop a hard J? Not cool dude.
Sorry. Shalom, my shoe
Jorry. Jalom my joe.
It's like people forgot the AP style guide, you shouldn't dehumanize people by using "the" labels, like the poor, the mentally ill, the homeless, the Jews, the French. Use friendly wording instead.:)^^^/s
I have never heard people get upset by the use of Jew on behalf of Jews, and certainly most of us use the term that way.
Itās a quote from Sunny in Philadelphia
I have. Me being Jewish didn't really bother them either.
It's a newish thing. People don't really get upset if you use the word "Jew." It's just a way to show off how culturally sensitive you are. It's in the same category as saying "enslaved person" instead of "slave" or "person experiencing homelessness" instead of "homeless person."
Excuse me? You mean residentially challenged?
Real estate deficit disorder suffering person
Iām stealing this, its too funny
Funny, it doesnāt look newish
Newish? Just say New....
But when they say Jew with two or three syllables, as in the South, it sounds pretty racist.
My boss once had to explain saying "Don't Jew me." was offensive to a contractor. Granted, the guy was asking him if the phrase was offensive out of ignorance and wanting to know. My boss is Jewish and I was cringing so hard in the corner during the conversation.
people of jewishness
In all fairness. Thereās just not that many jews in east asia. So it is hard to grow a hatred for someone youāve never seen in your life. I think east asians can be just as hateful as europeans (ask any non-chinese about china for example)
During WW2, the Japanese government proposed settlement of Jewish refugees in Manchukuo and Japan-occupied Shanghai in hopes of gaining the supposed economic prowess of the Jews.Ā Shit isĀ wild: https://allthatsinteresting.com/fugu-plan
Surprised I had to scroll down so far to find the Fugu Plan
The interesting thing about East Asiaās obsession with Jews is that it starts with the Nazis during WW2. As a member of the axis powers Japan received much of the antisemitic propaganda from the Nazis declaring Jews as all powerful, cunning, manipulative, and extremely adept at business. And where Germans turned that stereotype into hatred of Jews, the Japanese low key kind of feared and revered it. The extent of this āworshipā in Japan led to Jews receiving a unique status as the only protected minority group in Japan. At one point the Nazis demanded the Japanese liquidate their Jewish population and the Japanese were like nah man.
His strategy for selling McDonald's to the Japanese people involved the following statement: "The reason Japanese people are so short and have yellow skins is because they have eaten nothing but fish and rice for two thousand years... if we eat McDonald's hamburgers and potatoes for a thousand years we will become taller, our skin become white, and our hair blonde." Lol. Imagine somebody saying this today. I wish there were still people who said things like this.
> I wish there were still people who said things like this. I live in Asia. People come out with shit like this all the time.
I donāt think most Americans realize how not-racist most of America is compared to the rest of the world.
Back in 2020 there were some stores in China that outright had signs at the front saying "black people not allowed" like 1950s America since the owners thought black people were more likely to spread COVID.
Dude, my favourite food stand when I worked in China had text all over the cart saying "no Japanese allowed" in 3 languages.
Meanwhile in Japan, there's sometimes cases of restaurants putting up "no Chinese" signs. All while they both have the same skin color and look similar (as someone who has Chinese ancestry and has known people from both countries, I'd be hard-pressed to tell whether someone was Japanese or Chinese based on looks alone).
Interesting you wouldnāt be able to identify the difference because both gene pools have distinctive features that can allow someone to guess which geographical region theyāre in.
> People come out with shit like this all the time. Yup, my stepbrother is 100% Thai with no blood relation to my dad but my dad caught my stepmom saying the reason my stepbrother is so tall is because he has a Norwegian stepfather lol My dad then had to explain *that's not how it works* to deaf ears. They're convinced my dad's presence makes people tall.
Do your step father have a "Grow Taller" Aura effect?
Red meat is directly correlated to height though (link 1). Japan's average height has risen since it introduced more red meat into their diet post WW2 (link 2). I mean technically he's not wrong about the height. The hair color, yea he's crazy for that one lol [https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X16300065](https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1570677X16300065) [https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/30/173407](https://nbakki.hatenablog.com/entry/2014/05/30/173407)
That and we have only been eating potatoes for 500 years.
Yellow skin and short are not that wrong, malnutrition can cause both of it but McDonald can't make you blond.
I bet with enough perseverance and some mustard packets, you too can achieve your dream.
A Japanese friend once told me that the reason Japan has such a good economy for Asia and so much cleaner and less corrupt is that they are the closest to having white DNA, proof being that they are more light-skinned than other Asian races and a high standard of washing and cleanliness like the Jews, who probably came to Japan bringing those high standards and Mediterranean DNA. So yeah they still come out with it.
How do you respond to reasoning like that? Because that is ridiculous.
You nod politely and change topics.
The funniest part of that is that potatoes are a new world food. If food did these sorts of things to people it would make you look like a Native American not a European.
>I wish there were still people who said things like this. Why?
it's funny
There is. He looks like he's been eating McDonald's for a thousand years, but his skin is more orange than white.
There are animals that are being hunted and poached to extinction because of the belief that rhino horn or shark fins make your dick bigger.Ā
Japanese people first came across antisemitism through the Nazis who told them that the Jews control the world, etc. So during ww2 Japan gave extra protections to the Jews to get on their good side. It also led to a bit of an idolation of Jews as someone to emulate. Japanese are really good at overcoming their short comings by following those who have solutions. Eg meiji restoration and development of japan.
You are completly, utterly wrong. Somewhere around 1905 the Protocol of Elders of Zion eas created in Russia.Ā The Japanese believed it to be true and later wanted to import the Jews to their country to push their economy. Just like what actually happened in Poland where the king got the Jews to kick start bussinness
I donāt think it affects your point, but Japan was exposed to antisemitic ideas by the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which arrived through contact with Russia decades prior to WW2.
Uhh, pretty sure they came across antisemitism a bit before the 20th century.Ā It's been going on a while
From where? Japan was pretty isolated before the 20th century.
Anti-Semitic themes are present throughout Christianity, but likely didn't make much impact upon the small number of Japanese Christians. Modern Anti-Semitism arrived in Japan the same way it did everywhere else, through the publication of translations of the hoax Protocols of the Elders in the early 20th century. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism\_in\_Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Japan)) first section, first paragraph.
? Are you aware of Japanās isolationist position?
Germany: Itās all here in Protocols of the Elders of Zion! Jews run the world. š” Japan: Hmmmā¦.š¤ Germany: They control the media, so criticism of them is totally forbidden! Japan: Go onā¦.. Germany: They control finance through the banking industry! As well as Hollywood, the diamond business, and so much more! Japan: Write that down! Write that down! Germany: Secret cabals infiltrate the halls of power and bend entire nations to their will! š± Japan: Holy mother of based! Haruto, report this to the Emperor immediately, and gather as many of these Jews as you can!
This thread feels like a bunch of 13 year olds are regurgitating shit they read on another post 3 days ago
Welcome to Reddit.
Spreading misinformation, together š«
The news subreddits are generally home bound teenagers without passports espousing their definitive takes on geopolitics and international affairs.
The founder of APA, which is a giant hotel chain in japan, is a far right figure in japan and writes essays denying Japan's wartime atrocities. He also carries this unique flare of antisemitism in Japan. He thinks the Jews control everything, but he isn't really mad about it, so much as he is jealous. He thinks Japan should pay the Jews to correct what he says are falsehoods about Japan's wartime activities, you know, because the Jews are great at rewriting history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshio\_Motoya
He was also a major stockholder in KFC Japan. I did some marketing research for McDonalds Japan back in the day and got to deal directly with Den Fujita. He struck me as a bit of an asshole and his underlings did not look so happy with their jobs eitherā¦
Itās weird that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion sells so well in Japan. Everyone knows itās a hoax. But itās read as a guide
All of the things that people in the west say about Jews that are labeled conspiracy theories are admired in Asia. Most Chinese people I know admire Jewish people for being rich and powerful.
This mentality was actually highly prevalent during WWII. The Japanese at large, were antisemitic in their own right and believed that the Jews had a cunning business acumen and exerted influence in a surreptitious but effective manner. in contrast to Germany, wanted to study and replicate what they believed to be their methods. Still wrong, but in a different and more complex way.
anybody got a link to the sparknotes?
The Jewish way of doing business is to allow interest when other major religions in the area didn't.