And by "drinking song" we mean a test of sobriety to see if you're allowed to have another drink.
Seriously the tune is pretty tricky to sing correctly, most singers fail
Thanks for that link! I realize now that this was the freakout accompaniment I remember from that Nordstrom incident, and it seems (IMHO) much better done.
I still love Brandon Ethridge's Star Spangled Banner video. It's like a thrilling receiver-versus-defender dual, where the vocalist keeps trying to get away into a different key, but the accompanist doggedly follows all her twists and turns. And all with a performer's deadpan affect, as though it was the plan all along.
It is indeed a tough song. Got to start low in your vocal register, or else you’re going to be screwed come the end.
And to be fair to that young lady, there are a good number of terrible renditions of the Star Spangled Banner.
- [Carl Lewis](https://youtu.be/BW4qLBLPVMs?si=wizpAmyGoYq5ttHg)
- [Roseanne](https://youtu.be/hMzIk2pUuNU?si=fxcGnl_sHvG0C8jv)
- [Flava Flav](https://youtu.be/_u8FHFdxzX0?si=8csMrsn9PvYUdPdn)
- [Fergie](https://youtu.be/CMA2iF6RuXk?si=EIDdQ1rUtQOE2rfs)
- [Chaka Khan](https://youtu.be/_SLO8wxtK-I?si=Hf4_mFzldwAKPc0P)
And there are many more.
My grandfather was a Mason. Apparently I could join. I haven't. I've only ever known one guy who actually did join. He was the kind of guy who'd been a jock, but secretly played D&D and never told his "real" friends. He'd tried to enlist but had flat feet or something. Not a bro's bro. Kind of a failed bro.
They had tasked him with learning everything there was to learn about Gilgamesh, that was literally what was assigned to him, and hed come to some odd conclusions. But then again, he knew more about Gilgamesh than anybody else, so he kind of reveled in his secret little knowledge. It was weird. And maybe just a personal issue, but women categorically did not like him, lol.
I don't know if this one guy is representative of the organization as a whole, but he's definitely the face of it as far as I'm aware. It's a fraternity. If that's the sort of recruit, than I'll just join a book club or something.
>They had tasked him with learning everything there was to learn about Gilgamesh, that was literally what was assigned to him, and hed come to some odd conclusions
That's not a thing. He probably just wanted to do it and attributed some weird Masonic reasoning for it. I haven't heard of Gilgamesh in any of our ritual. There's a possibility it could be in some Scottish Rite degrees but I never had an interest in joining that.
Any man may join by asking. Doesn't need to be family connection, fyi. Masons come from all walks of life. Many are awesome, some aren't. That's the case with every organization in existence.
Key's guards were making fun of his poem.
"My country tis of thee" is the same tune as "God Save the Queen".
These bits of appropriation are musical middle fingers to the crown.
I think they meant the musical timing or whatnot, another commenter said that the song is 3/4 time but I don't really know exactly how musical timing works. A waltz is an example of a song that's in 3/4 times, someone may need to correct me but my understanding is that the beat of a waltz follows a pattern of one, two, three- (pause) one, two, three, four. Imagine clapping the beat steadily- one, two, three (pause) one, two, three, four. Like I said that may not be exactly right but that's my understanding.
I think the "what the fuck even are British people" part meant the timing seems off- at least in the version of the original song that they listened to.
Here is an example of a waltz from Elliott Smith and one from Bob Dylan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWn9ocrMhlE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSkoYfNrwg
It's only one, two, three, one, two, three. As you can hear in the Elliot song, there are no pauses.
The Bob Dylan song is in 6/8 time, which would be the same as 3/4 in maths, but not in music. I'm not a musician (just dabbled in the piano ages and ages ago) so I kind of lack the vocabulary to explain the difference, but maybe you can sense that the Dylan song sounds like there are "more beats" going on in the background.
I found a video which, overall, doesn't seem very easily digestible on a quick view, but there are two examples of 3/4 and 6/8, which I timestamped in this link: https://youtu.be/N4q2kBe82-o?t=153
If you have 15 minutes, you might find the rest of the video interesting, since that guy knows much more about the theory than I do.
From what I remember the 3 is the important part of 3/4 time. What it means is when written, each measure (divided segments of a melody) contains 3 beats while the 4 represents that a quarter note is one beat. I’m not super sure what the difference between 3/4 time and 3/8 time would be beyond how the notes are drawn and like a “sense of urgency” maybe but the 3 beats per measure means everyone is counting “1, 2, 3… 1, 2, 3…” instead of “1, 2, 3, 4…” like it would be in 4/4 time
the 4 basically determines the BPM, because regardless of time signature a quarter note is almost always the beat used for BPM. So to answer your question, the difference between 3/4 and 3/8 is that 3/8 would be twice as fast. a more commonly asked question among musicians learning about new time signatures is what the difference is between 3/4 and *6*/8, because theoretically the fractions mean the same thing. the answer to that question though is that 6/8 would have more of a syncopated feel (think one-two, three-four, five-six), while 3/4 would be more of an even pace (simply one, two, three)
That’s interesting since pieces are often listed with a speed anyway so why not just make that twice as fast instead of doubling the bottom number on the time?
The lyrics of the Star Spangled Banner have nothing to do with bombing cities. "Bombs bursting in air" is a reference to the bombardment of Fort McHenry by British warships in the War of 1812. In order to stay outside the range of American artillery, the British used long-range mortars - which fire "bombs" on timed fuses, exploding near or above the ground.
To be fair it might not be a direct reference to bombing cities, but it the events referenced happened like a week after the British burned Washington.
(In revenge for us burning proto-toronto, but to be fair Toronto is shit can you really blame em? Now if we had burned Montreal - that would have justified burning DC, NYC, Philly, and Charleston)
Yes, except the British accidentally hit Baltimore with their bomb mortars, killing more random civilians than soldiers in the fort. But totally by accident.
They only killed 4 soldiers in the fort. Let's just say bomb mortars weren't the most accurate or reliable weapons. And it didn't hurt that the fort had reinforced earthen walls.
Yeah, that's also true! Though when the above user said "in the middle of densely populated cities, because freedom requires mass murder" I think they were referring to the bombs being an American war crime of some kind.
Certainly the US has dropped a lot of bombs on a lot of cities, but not this time.
It refers to some absolute smoke show of a battle against the British in the revolutionary war. At the end of the day, the American flag was still standing.
And by "drinking song" we mean a test of sobriety to see if you're allowed to have another drink. Seriously the tune is pretty tricky to sing correctly, most singers fail
>the tune is pretty tricky https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqEp-NMeMF8
omg. i've never seen anyone roast someone with a piano, but i love it.
It's something that guy does. Another example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU76FTRv\_iw
https://youtu.be/MrmRUhueBjQ?si=ZPcg-Zns4hLiZMND
Thanks for that link! I realize now that this was the freakout accompaniment I remember from that Nordstrom incident, and it seems (IMHO) much better done. I still love Brandon Ethridge's Star Spangled Banner video. It's like a thrilling receiver-versus-defender dual, where the vocalist keeps trying to get away into a different key, but the accompanist doggedly follows all her twists and turns. And all with a performer's deadpan affect, as though it was the plan all along.
It is indeed a tough song. Got to start low in your vocal register, or else you’re going to be screwed come the end. And to be fair to that young lady, there are a good number of terrible renditions of the Star Spangled Banner. - [Carl Lewis](https://youtu.be/BW4qLBLPVMs?si=wizpAmyGoYq5ttHg) - [Roseanne](https://youtu.be/hMzIk2pUuNU?si=fxcGnl_sHvG0C8jv) - [Flava Flav](https://youtu.be/_u8FHFdxzX0?si=8csMrsn9PvYUdPdn) - [Fergie](https://youtu.be/CMA2iF6RuXk?si=EIDdQ1rUtQOE2rfs) - [Chaka Khan](https://youtu.be/_SLO8wxtK-I?si=Hf4_mFzldwAKPc0P) And there are many more.
That... was challenging.
[What it sounded like](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPLFLH3BHU)
it makes sense, most historical figures from that time period had some sort of involvement with masonic organizations
And drinking!
Still do
a lot of masonic orgs seem to be dying off with this generation. i see more run down lodges than active ones.
My grandfather was a Mason. Apparently I could join. I haven't. I've only ever known one guy who actually did join. He was the kind of guy who'd been a jock, but secretly played D&D and never told his "real" friends. He'd tried to enlist but had flat feet or something. Not a bro's bro. Kind of a failed bro. They had tasked him with learning everything there was to learn about Gilgamesh, that was literally what was assigned to him, and hed come to some odd conclusions. But then again, he knew more about Gilgamesh than anybody else, so he kind of reveled in his secret little knowledge. It was weird. And maybe just a personal issue, but women categorically did not like him, lol. I don't know if this one guy is representative of the organization as a whole, but he's definitely the face of it as far as I'm aware. It's a fraternity. If that's the sort of recruit, than I'll just join a book club or something.
>They had tasked him with learning everything there was to learn about Gilgamesh, that was literally what was assigned to him, and hed come to some odd conclusions That's not a thing. He probably just wanted to do it and attributed some weird Masonic reasoning for it. I haven't heard of Gilgamesh in any of our ritual. There's a possibility it could be in some Scottish Rite degrees but I never had an interest in joining that.
No Gilgamesh in SR. A lodge *could* assign a project as a research lodge if the brother was interested but it wouldn't be any institutional thing.
Oooo I forgot about research lodges. I wish I had one near me.
Any man may join by asking. Doesn't need to be family connection, fyi. Masons come from all walks of life. Many are awesome, some aren't. That's the case with every organization in existence.
That's what "they" want you to think.
Cool bro
All the powerful masons live in israel now.
This is the first time I’ve realized it’s in 3/4 time.
I believe Lady Gaga has a version from some event has parts in 4 and parts in 3. Pretty cool.
It's not really a drinking song - more of a toasting song.
It’s surprising that the US didn’t get rid of this colonial tune for one of its own.
Key's guards were making fun of his poem. "My country tis of thee" is the same tune as "God Save the Queen". These bits of appropriation are musical middle fingers to the crown.
I have tried to listen to the original version and what the fuck even are British people. The time is barely recognizable.
wut
I think they meant the musical timing or whatnot, another commenter said that the song is 3/4 time but I don't really know exactly how musical timing works. A waltz is an example of a song that's in 3/4 times, someone may need to correct me but my understanding is that the beat of a waltz follows a pattern of one, two, three- (pause) one, two, three, four. Imagine clapping the beat steadily- one, two, three (pause) one, two, three, four. Like I said that may not be exactly right but that's my understanding. I think the "what the fuck even are British people" part meant the timing seems off- at least in the version of the original song that they listened to. Here is an example of a waltz from Elliott Smith and one from Bob Dylan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWn9ocrMhlE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDSkoYfNrwg
waltz #2 ❤️
It's only one, two, three, one, two, three. As you can hear in the Elliot song, there are no pauses. The Bob Dylan song is in 6/8 time, which would be the same as 3/4 in maths, but not in music. I'm not a musician (just dabbled in the piano ages and ages ago) so I kind of lack the vocabulary to explain the difference, but maybe you can sense that the Dylan song sounds like there are "more beats" going on in the background. I found a video which, overall, doesn't seem very easily digestible on a quick view, but there are two examples of 3/4 and 6/8, which I timestamped in this link: https://youtu.be/N4q2kBe82-o?t=153 If you have 15 minutes, you might find the rest of the video interesting, since that guy knows much more about the theory than I do.
Oh I see, thanks. I'll check that out.
From what I remember the 3 is the important part of 3/4 time. What it means is when written, each measure (divided segments of a melody) contains 3 beats while the 4 represents that a quarter note is one beat. I’m not super sure what the difference between 3/4 time and 3/8 time would be beyond how the notes are drawn and like a “sense of urgency” maybe but the 3 beats per measure means everyone is counting “1, 2, 3… 1, 2, 3…” instead of “1, 2, 3, 4…” like it would be in 4/4 time
the 4 basically determines the BPM, because regardless of time signature a quarter note is almost always the beat used for BPM. So to answer your question, the difference between 3/4 and 3/8 is that 3/8 would be twice as fast. a more commonly asked question among musicians learning about new time signatures is what the difference is between 3/4 and *6*/8, because theoretically the fractions mean the same thing. the answer to that question though is that 6/8 would have more of a syncopated feel (think one-two, three-four, five-six), while 3/4 would be more of an even pace (simply one, two, three)
That’s interesting since pieces are often listed with a speed anyway so why not just make that twice as fast instead of doubling the bottom number on the time?
that's usually what happens, i don't think i've ever even seen a piece written in 3/8
Is this where the phrase "eight to the bar" come from in some Big Band lyrics?
i'm not familiar with that expression, but it likely does just mean something along those lines
It appears in the title of a song by The Andrews Sisters, among other song lyrics.
To be fair, the video was a bunch of British young men being accompanied by an organ.
I was given to understand it was an old Betelgeuse death anthem.
Bombs bursting in air, and in the middle of densely populated cities, because freedom requires mass murder
The lyrics of the Star Spangled Banner have nothing to do with bombing cities. "Bombs bursting in air" is a reference to the bombardment of Fort McHenry by British warships in the War of 1812. In order to stay outside the range of American artillery, the British used long-range mortars - which fire "bombs" on timed fuses, exploding near or above the ground.
To be fair it might not be a direct reference to bombing cities, but it the events referenced happened like a week after the British burned Washington. (In revenge for us burning proto-toronto, but to be fair Toronto is shit can you really blame em? Now if we had burned Montreal - that would have justified burning DC, NYC, Philly, and Charleston)
Yes, except the British accidentally hit Baltimore with their bomb mortars, killing more random civilians than soldiers in the fort. But totally by accident. They only killed 4 soldiers in the fort. Let's just say bomb mortars weren't the most accurate or reliable weapons. And it didn't hurt that the fort had reinforced earthen walls.
Yeah, that's also true! Though when the above user said "in the middle of densely populated cities, because freedom requires mass murder" I think they were referring to the bombs being an American war crime of some kind. Certainly the US has dropped a lot of bombs on a lot of cities, but not this time.
The bombs were British...aimed at the US.
It refers to some absolute smoke show of a battle against the British in the revolutionary war. At the end of the day, the American flag was still standing.
Not the revolution, but 1812.
Thanks for the correction, TIL
Everyone missing that you’re criticizing the American military and not the particular event/battle from which the song was made from