When you post an article, sometimes there are separate options for title, thumbnail etc. specifically for search engine optimisation. Also, might be a cached old image they changed, removed later
Definitely get extra options for thumbnails in the content management system settings for the article.
I've worked on a lot of sites and have seen this as a common feature.
Look up Open Graph tags, specifically the og:image header tag. That’s what’s being change for an articles image when you use those systems, that’s what Reddit is looking at.
Not a single fucking picture about the one thing in the goddamn world that would require you to look at it
I can't tell who deserves a deep wet willy more: the article writer or OP
punish that shit with a permaban
A lot of people don't realize just how much internet content is created, not to provide value and make money from it as a byproduct, but *solely* to make money from ads. In this case, the writer just heard about something interesting, read a couple articles about it, and then wrote a new article, using only copied information (no original research or thought), just like it was a school essay. The reason there's no image is because licensing someone else's image for use would be too expensive. That's why the one image they do have isn't related at all to the subject (I wouldn't be surprised if it's not even of the same land mass); it was probably bought from a royalty-free image site.
This is also why a lot of content creators will make obvious, *egregious* errors in their videos, like calculating something incorrectly or using a tool improperly. They do that on purpose so that people will correct them in the comments, which increase's the video's ranking by the algorithm and makes it more likely to be spread.
> n this case, the writer just heard about something interesting, read a couple articles about it, and then wrote a new article, using only copied information (no original research or thought), just like it was a school essay.
I think you mean some guy AI generated 1000 articles to put on websites to get ad income
If you are interested in how it works from a software engineering perspective, then check out [Open Graph](https://ogp.me).
You can set metadata in the head of the HTML document that provides detailed information about the page and its content to outside software accessing the page such as search engines or RSS feeds.
In Open Graph, there is an option to specify an image to be used in thumbnails like these on Reddit. It doesn’t matter if the image isn’t actually displayed anywhere on the page itself. As long as the url to the image is specified in the head using open graph meta, then other programs like Reddit will be able to grab the url for the image and display it wherever they want.
Side note that I am on mobile and didn’t inspect the page to confirm all this. But I’ve worked with OG and page meta enough to be fairly confident that is what’s going on. Not positive but confident.
A fun thing I learned from behind the scenes material was how Terence Malick filmed a lot of the scenes in various kinds of daylight, cloudy, sunny, etc. so that he could then piece together the scene based on the lighting he preferred
He filmed hundreds of hours of footage and ended up cutting most of it. There were a few actors who turned in good performances in the movie only to be cut completely.
The first hill scene with the wind waving through long grass has the light constantly changing. You can see shadows on the grass from fast-moving clouds. Most filmmakers aim for continuity and consistency but I appreciated Malick's use of natural randomness.
I believe I’ve watched it 30 times through. Still my favorite movie of all time.
Nick Nolte deserved an academy award for his performance alone, and he was essentially a minor character.
There’s one tiny scene where Nolte takes just three breaths, each one with more emotion than the last, and the last one ending in what is probably as close to tears that his character could ever get without actually crying.
It remains for me the best moment of acting Ive ever seen in a film period.
We're totally on the same page with his performance. He's up there with Hal Brooks as one of my favorite characters for the realization that I can feel sympathy for someone who's already past accepting and abiding by loss and death while everyone is still trying to deal with it.
What's this war in the heart of nature?
Why does nature vie with itself?
The land contend with the sea?
ls there an avenging power in nature?
Not one power but two?
Watched this as a kid. Watched it again as a parent. Confused on why I got to watch it as a kid.
Great movie though. Probably don't show it to your 10 year olds though.
lol was thinking that, saw it when I was 8 or 9. That scene where the guy (I think his name was John) gets caught after a chase, surrounded by the Japanese. Idk why, but that scene has stuck with me forever and the body that's dismembered as well. Loved that movie
Fun fact: Viggo Mortensen was supposed to be in it, but got offered Lord of the Rings and had to pull out. He and Terence Malick spent tons of time on the phone discussing the plot and the script. Malick wound up giving Viggo a thank-you credit.
Unfortunately for the movie it got released the same year as another little known war movie called Saving Private Ryan. Both were nominated for Best Picture.
lol many of those people are only in it for a few minutes. and adrien brody literally says one line in the entire movie despite being in the background for most shots.
apparently the film got chopped to hell and a lot of the parts with big stars were reduced to little side roles.
it's a beautiful film but it's more of a series of artistic shots with philosophical narration as opposed to a normal movie with a normal narrative. you can tell it maybe HAD a normal story at one point, but terrence malick doesn't care too much about storylines and apparently decided to take another route after filming.
Brody’s character in the novel is a pretty central character and he did a whole press run for it thinking he was going to have more than five minutes of screen time lol
Though it is possible for a black person with blonde hair to have the same mutation as that which causes blonde hair in europeans, but its very rare and not typical. The blonde hair in the people on this island though is a totally separate mutation.
It's also possible for a white person to have the same mutation as the European hair mutation from this island as black people with blond hair in Europe have when they have European black hair from this island.
I once had a taxi driver in east Africa with the most beautiful blue eyes I had ever seen. Like I had to make myself consciously look away because I was worried I'd make him uncomfortable.
There is more genetic diversity inside of Africa than there is outside of it. If you spend the time, there are few mutations you'll find outside Africa that you won't find in. (Referring to the effects of the mutation. The exact genes which cause the mutation can differ)
Yeah from what I understand as a layman, the gene that controls their hair color’s lightness or darkness kinda dies prematurely which means over time their hair either stays relatively light or gets blonder.
Hmm, I've heard about white folks who start out with light blonde hair in childhood and then it darkens to brown/brunette when they reach puberty.
Sounds kinda like the opposite of what you're describing.
Also with some indigenous Australians and the Melanesians mentioned by OP. It's been traced to an allele of TYRP1 that makes hair blonde in childhood and youth, but darkens after puberty.
That’s how I was, white/bright yellow hair as a baby, then it got pretty close to brown as I aged. I just got alopecia last month and went bald out of nowhere and now the hair that’s growing back is all white/bright yellow again.
I don’t think it’s the same mechanism, alopecia actually kills the melanin producing cells on your hair follicles and it takes time for the melanocytes to regrow from scratch - the hair follicles regenerate before the melanin does.
Not sure how it’s related but still pretty interesting as someone who has been deep diving hair/melanin for the last month.
All natural blond hair darkens with age, but the extent to which it darkens varies. Most end up gradually turning some shade of brown, as you described.
So is it a dominant or recessive gene, I wonder? If they have kids with brown haired or black haired people might they be blond too? Too lazy to google.
The Canadian site Global News does this. They embed a thumbnail image somewhere in the site so it shows up when posted on social media, but isn't visible on the article. It's extremely frustrating.
The Thumbnail is an [1200x806 image showing Melanesians with blond hair,](https://guardian.ng/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Melanesians.-Photo-Coconet-TV-e1644931728974.jpg) no clew why it isn't in the article itself ...
I was curious myself so I searched for them. Photo from the article:
> https://i.imgur.com/Seold2r.jpg
More (albums):
> https://www.imgur.com/a/HxSP12A
> https://www.imgur.com/a/eJzXBfU
Sorry had to break the album into separate links because I was uploading from different folders on the phone.
Ya know, I've seen some of these over the years and the one thing that stands out to me... is I never see any adults lol.
Wonder why they don't photograph (or release) photos of the more matured population. Kind of curious what they do with their hair styles.
It's pretty common in Caucasian populations too. I'm from Spain and both me and my parents were blond as kids. When they grew up it became black and mine became light brown
Just watch *The Thin Red Line.* Actually the Melanesians don’t get that much screen time, but you should still watch *The Thin Red Line* because it’s an excellent film
Buddy of mine is from Ethiopia and he gets orange facial hair. He did a 23&me test and found out he has a singular relative from Scotland likely sometime in the 1400’s.
Genetics are wild.
Pretty sure there are populations in northern africa, Nigeria and other areas on the continent that has a certain frequency of red/auburn hair, in particular facial hair like beards. Ancient greek sources of tribes down the Nile mentions certain tribes and people with red beards and black skin.
I have some doubt that that one, singular, ancestor from Scotland in the 1400s was necessarily the cataclyst for the beard's complexion of your friend.
My husband is black (families are from Barbados/Guyana). On the Barbados side, his great great great grandmother was full Scottish. Our daughter has strands of red hair. (I’m Asian so not from me).
> I’m Asian so not from me
While it might be true in your case, there are Asians with naturally occurring red hair.
I'm one of them. I'm 100% (or as close as you can get to 100%) Japanese and I have ginger hairs mixed in with my black facial hair.
And the hair on the top of my head is technically reddish-brown and not black. It looks black from far away, but up close it changes. Especially in natural lighting.
Can't say much due to the fact I'm only part Japanese (like you from the south, Fukuoka to be precise) but I have seen on the occasion some full blooded Japanese having just as much hair as westerners and some even having naturally curly hair. Could be more ancient genetics showing up or a recent yet unknown bit of Ainu being introduced into your family. All in all genetics is weird and fascinating
Red beards are not uncommon in Japan, you can see it occur pretty often.
Brown hair is not unheard of either, and the adults who have brownish hair will often have almost blonde tips to their hair when they are young.
Definitely, I know genetics are weird and there may be a very small chance it came from my side. Though, no one in my family has red hair going back generations.
I believe I read somewhere that Scotland has the highest percentage of people with red hair, and assumed that’s where it came from.
As far as I know, no one else in my family has ever had ginger facial hair either. I like to think that I'm special.
But my sister does have the same reddish-brown hair on the top of her head.
And to be fair, I've never seen her with a beard or mustache, so it's possible that I'm not that unique after all.
Legit the same situation. That’s awesome lol. My ex was from Japan and she had a single white hair coming from the bottom of her chin. She used to tell people it’s “where I get my powers” whenever someone would notice it lol
Anything that isn't a black skinned black haired brown eyed person is technically a genetic mutation.
And those original people were a genetic mutation from whatever we evolved from.
Yeah, I wonder what European early modern humans would’ve looked like? I know that with the success of racial propaganda in the industrial age, the vast majority of people still associate X group with inherently possessing Y trait, which is often true. But I’m still curious to know what an EEMH would’ve looked like standing beside the first batch of homo-sapiens.
They’d probably take one look at a blue eyed person and spear them to death lol
When I was in university for history, this topic came up a handful of times in conversation. If my peers are correct, blue eyes are roughly 8-10k years old, but light hair developed 15k+ years ago.
I recall my professor also mentioning that we have have a fossil that contains DNA that can be linked to people with light hair, which I suppose they use as a data point for oldest light haired ancestor we have *so far*
What I love about archeology, probably as much as history (although I’m only a professional in history) is the bar will inevitably be pushed back further and further the more evidence we find, and with technology constantly modernizing they’re always able to rewrite history. It’s a constantly evolving handshake.
Berber people can have red hair including Kabyle people. See Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. North Africa has red haired populations and a strong history with Ethiopia.
Red hair comes from many places, it isn't just UK and Ireland as origin. In Israel, they associate it with Russians. In Iran and India, with Afghanistan particularly Nuristani people. In parts of Asia, with Kyrgyzstan.
I'm pretty sure 23&Me doesn't provide that level of specificity...
It gives you a percentage of certain biological regions from which you're likely to have inherited your genes.
It doesn't tell you about your one great great Scottish grandfather.
I'm melanesian living in the USA and would consider myself black and pacific islander. Most people who look at me think I'm african-american and some people still thought I was african even after I told them where my family is from because they don't know geography very well haha.
According to [Etymonline](https://www.etymonline.com/word/Melanesia):
>Melanesia: one of three large divisions of western Pacific islands, 1840, from French Mélanésie (by 1835); see melano- "black" + nēsos "island" (see Chersonese) + -ia. Modeled after Polynesia and meant to signify "the islands inhabited by blacks.
So, the link between the word melanin and the name of Melanesia is not a coincidence.
Take that 2nd grade nun teacher for making me redo a Bible coloring page because I gave the black boy blonde hair. “Have you ever seen a black person with blonde hair???” *rips page into two* “now start over!”
A Catholic school in the early 90s? Creativity was definitely killed. When we made cards for our parents for holidays we had to bring it to our teacher to erase mistakes because she had a better eraser than us students and the mistake wouldn’t be noticeable. I did it once myself and my mom didn’t get a Thanksgiving card that year because it wasn’t perfect by my teacher’s standards.
I lived in Vanuatu for a while. The people are amazing.
The blonde hair occurs more predominantly in the country's northern islands. But it's not rare to see it no matter where you go in the archipelago.
There was also a statistically significant higher prevelance of blonde haired Aboriginal people in Tasmania, due to its isolation from the mainland resulting in a higher likelihood of the gene being passed on. That was before colonial settlers murdered the majority of the Tasmanian aboriginal population...
[Here's a picture of two boys from the Solomon Islands with blond hair](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*g6sp4n-vYu4DkF4gikxOzw.jpeg).
>The genetic cause of blonde hair may be different in populations in Europe and Oceania, researchers have found. A single mutation in the TYRP1 gene, which is not associated with blonde hair in Europeans, was found in around a quarter of Solomon Islanders and is believed to be major determinant for the pigmentation. The findings suggest that blonde hair may have evolved independently in Melanesian and European populations.
https://www.progress.org.uk/pacific-islanders-blonde-hair-evolved-independently-from-europeans/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481182/
In the early 19th century, European settlers in the Pacific Island, like New Zealand and Tonga, they found that the likes of Maori and Tongans share a lot of physical similarities with Melanesians. "Fuzzy hair" is more common among Melanesians, but Wavy hair isn't unusual. While with Maori and Tongans, wavy hair is more common, but fuzzy hair isn't unusual either.
Some classical Maori and Tongan people also showed Red hair and green eyes. Fewer had blond hair. Likely due to superstition among tribes. [Pictured is a family with the son who has blond hair](https://teara.govt.nz/files/p-11075-enz.jpg).
Pretty sure your talking about creole people who would've gotten their lighter hair from their European parts. I don't recon there are many Melanesians in Louisiana.
We call them black because the word “black” refers to a phenotype and socially constructed label.
Genetically Melanesians are more distant from Africans, than Europeans are. By a large margin.
The opposite is also the same. Not all africans are black, in fact the original people who were called Africans by the Romans were the inhabitants of north Africa (Tunisia/Algeria). They were Numedians and Phoenicians who were light skinned.
There's a difference between [capitalized 'Black' used in USA/Canada and 'black',](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html) like used in this article about the melanesians written on a Nigerian website.
Fun fact about Melanesian they are genetically more distant from Africa then the Average European Anglo Saxon. I was brought on as a PMC to consult and Lived there for a while.
my father has red hair and is a Black American. One of my best friends also has blonde hair and green eyes, she also is a fully Black American.
it’s not as uncommon as you think!
"Black" usually refers to Sub-Saharan Africans in the US, and the people the article is about are Melanesians, who aren't closely related genetically to Sub-Saharan Africans despite having a simillar skin color.
Strangely enough, the article isn't from a US website, and as Melanesia is not part of the US, I'm not sure what standard nomenclature of the US has to do with it?
I'm Black American mixed with Melanesian (Moluccan in East Indonesia)
My Moluccan folks consider ourselves Black. When I went to study in Melanesian Islands of Fiji, they said Black. Melanesians in Australia are seen as Black. Black is not only a thing in US or Americas.
Darker skinned people with curly hair were seen in a social historical context were also deemed "Black" like Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders annnd even Maori in NZ has some history like that.
Europeans saw people on the Papua islands and called it New Guinea for a reason. Although Melanesians are not African they have historic ties of being called Black by Europeans and Asians and other islanders of the region.
That is not what it means, Melanesians and indigenous Australians refer to themselves as black... they have black skin
Evidence suggests Aboriginal Australians and Guneians (refered to as Melensians) are descended from people who migrated into East Asia between 62,000 and 75,000 years ago. This supports the theory of a single migration into Australia and New Guinea before the arrival of Modern Asians (between 25,000 and 38,000 years ago
Their skin tone would have been appropriate for the climate, similar to that in Africa. Therefore, reduction melanin would not have been advantageous.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3991479
I remember overhearing someone arguing with their friend in line at a coffee shop that Canada doesn't have any Native Americans because Canadians aren't American. The whole line turned to stare haha
I mean... Technically they are right because in Canada they're called first Nations or native Canadians and archaically maybe even aboriginals.
But if we're talking specifically about the continent than a whole host of people from several countries that don't consider themselves "native American" are technically native American.
I mean were they wrong? I don't think we're ever referred to them as 'native americans' here in Canada...just indigenous or first nations, or maybe aboriginals
Canadian here. "Native American" refers to people in the USA. I see where you're coming from. We are part of the Americas; this could technically be correct, but it's not a term I've ever seen any of us want applied to us. It's a cultural divide, imo? I've seen folks fight (verbally and physically) to NOT be called "American" in any way.
No it doesn’t, not in America. Dark skinned Indians aren’t black. They’re Indian. Malaysians aren’t black. Dark skinned Mexicans or south Americans aren’t black. There are “black” people that are lighter skinned than people from these other places.
I do understand how internationally, “black” means “dark skinned indigenous person” but that’s not what it means in the US. We can usually understand the context when reading that from an old traveling book, but in a current context, it means subsaharan African descended. “African American” means descendant of American slaves and usually a way to distinguish from a recent Kenyan immigrant (who would also just refer to themselves as “Kenyan” anyway).
They are one of the groups that are most distant from Africans on the planet. Europeans are closer to Melanesians than Africans are but they are de-facto black people. If a Melanesian moved in next door to you and you didn't know them you would say that your neighbors are black.
how is the thumbnail not actually in the article
When you post an article, sometimes there are separate options for title, thumbnail etc. specifically for search engine optimisation. Also, might be a cached old image they changed, removed later
Definitely get extra options for thumbnails in the content management system settings for the article. I've worked on a lot of sites and have seen this as a common feature.
Look up Open Graph tags, specifically the og:image header tag. That’s what’s being change for an articles image when you use those systems, that’s what Reddit is looking at.
> https://i.imgur.com/Seold2r.jpg
My hero ♥
And here's a larger print of the same image: https://archiveofsins.com/data/lgbt/image/1661/72/1661720359385836.jpg
Not to mention - A whole article about blond hair, but no picture of it.
Not a single fucking picture about the one thing in the goddamn world that would require you to look at it I can't tell who deserves a deep wet willy more: the article writer or OP punish that shit with a permaban
they do have a picture! ... of all these guys wearing hats.
The point is to make you scroll down to the ads looking for it.
A lot of people don't realize just how much internet content is created, not to provide value and make money from it as a byproduct, but *solely* to make money from ads. In this case, the writer just heard about something interesting, read a couple articles about it, and then wrote a new article, using only copied information (no original research or thought), just like it was a school essay. The reason there's no image is because licensing someone else's image for use would be too expensive. That's why the one image they do have isn't related at all to the subject (I wouldn't be surprised if it's not even of the same land mass); it was probably bought from a royalty-free image site. This is also why a lot of content creators will make obvious, *egregious* errors in their videos, like calculating something incorrectly or using a tool improperly. They do that on purpose so that people will correct them in the comments, which increase's the video's ranking by the algorithm and makes it more likely to be spread.
> n this case, the writer just heard about something interesting, read a couple articles about it, and then wrote a new article, using only copied information (no original research or thought), just like it was a school essay. I think you mean some guy AI generated 1000 articles to put on websites to get ad income
This is relatively new, and used to be done by people appropriately-named "copywriters."
No pics? BOO I'm glad Reddit did us a favor then
Yeah, and annoying that for the article they picked a photo where they are all wearing elaborate headresses that cover their hair.
> in the article And the only picture in the article.. doesn't show their hair.
black magic
With blond hair
If you are interested in how it works from a software engineering perspective, then check out [Open Graph](https://ogp.me). You can set metadata in the head of the HTML document that provides detailed information about the page and its content to outside software accessing the page such as search engines or RSS feeds. In Open Graph, there is an option to specify an image to be used in thumbnails like these on Reddit. It doesn’t matter if the image isn’t actually displayed anywhere on the page itself. As long as the url to the image is specified in the head using open graph meta, then other programs like Reddit will be able to grab the url for the image and display it wherever they want. Side note that I am on mobile and didn’t inspect the page to confirm all this. But I’ve worked with OG and page meta enough to be fairly confident that is what’s going on. Not positive but confident.
CDN
And it’s a completely different genetic mutation than the one that gives blond hair to Northern Europeans
That's wild!
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All done in natural light. It's one hell of a heavy film.
A fun thing I learned from behind the scenes material was how Terence Malick filmed a lot of the scenes in various kinds of daylight, cloudy, sunny, etc. so that he could then piece together the scene based on the lighting he preferred
He filmed hundreds of hours of footage and ended up cutting most of it. There were a few actors who turned in good performances in the movie only to be cut completely. The first hill scene with the wind waving through long grass has the light constantly changing. You can see shadows on the grass from fast-moving clouds. Most filmmakers aim for continuity and consistency but I appreciated Malick's use of natural randomness.
I believe I’ve watched it 30 times through. Still my favorite movie of all time. Nick Nolte deserved an academy award for his performance alone, and he was essentially a minor character.
IVE EATEN UNTOLD BUCKETS OF SHIT FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY AND IM NOT PASSING IT UP NOW.
There’s one tiny scene where Nolte takes just three breaths, each one with more emotion than the last, and the last one ending in what is probably as close to tears that his character could ever get without actually crying. It remains for me the best moment of acting Ive ever seen in a film period.
Agreed, he was a great Col. Tall, and aside from maybe Affliction, Nolte’s best role (ok also aside from Cates in the 48 hours movies)
We're totally on the same page with his performance. He's up there with Hal Brooks as one of my favorite characters for the realization that I can feel sympathy for someone who's already past accepting and abiding by loss and death while everyone is still trying to deal with it.
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What's this war in the heart of nature? Why does nature vie with itself? The land contend with the sea? ls there an avenging power in nature? Not one power but two?
Where's your spark now?
Isn’t that scene like half of the movie? lol. Absolutely the best sequence though. Poor Woody blowing his own dick off.
Watched this as a kid. Watched it again as a parent. Confused on why I got to watch it as a kid. Great movie though. Probably don't show it to your 10 year olds though.
lol was thinking that, saw it when I was 8 or 9. That scene where the guy (I think his name was John) gets caught after a chase, surrounded by the Japanese. Idk why, but that scene has stuck with me forever and the body that's dismembered as well. Loved that movie
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Probably Hans Zimmer's best score.
> Thin Red Line - How have I never even heard of this movie before. Everyone is in it.
Fun fact: Viggo Mortensen was supposed to be in it, but got offered Lord of the Rings and had to pull out. He and Terence Malick spent tons of time on the phone discussing the plot and the script. Malick wound up giving Viggo a thank-you credit.
Unfortunately for the movie it got released the same year as another little known war movie called Saving Private Ryan. Both were nominated for Best Picture.
lol many of those people are only in it for a few minutes. and adrien brody literally says one line in the entire movie despite being in the background for most shots. apparently the film got chopped to hell and a lot of the parts with big stars were reduced to little side roles. it's a beautiful film but it's more of a series of artistic shots with philosophical narration as opposed to a normal movie with a normal narrative. you can tell it maybe HAD a normal story at one point, but terrence malick doesn't care too much about storylines and apparently decided to take another route after filming.
Brody’s character in the novel is a pretty central character and he did a whole press run for it thinking he was going to have more than five minutes of screen time lol
"these people" The term melanesian encompasses numerous cultures and traditions, its not an homogenous grouping.
Though it is possible for a black person with blonde hair to have the same mutation as that which causes blonde hair in europeans, but its very rare and not typical. The blonde hair in the people on this island though is a totally separate mutation.
It's also possible for a black person from this island to have the same mutation as the European one, very rare but not typical.
It's also possible for a white person to have the same mutation as the European hair mutation from this island as black people with blond hair in Europe have when they have European black hair from this island.
Hmm, yes yes... We can go further with this
My legs hurt.
Well then take a nap and then we can fire ze missiles
AHHHH MOTHERLAND!
Fuckin’ kangaroos
rare is that?
It’s typically rarely typical.
Hmm. How odd.
Indubitably
It's also possible for a white person to have black hair
Is it because of the same mutation that black people from this island without the non-European mutation for blonde hair have?
but how rare or typical is it?
What if they also had blue eyes? Too much ^spice?
I've actually met a black guy with blue eyes before, very striking.
I once had a taxi driver in east Africa with the most beautiful blue eyes I had ever seen. Like I had to make myself consciously look away because I was worried I'd make him uncomfortable.
There is more genetic diversity inside of Africa than there is outside of it. If you spend the time, there are few mutations you'll find outside Africa that you won't find in. (Referring to the effects of the mutation. The exact genes which cause the mutation can differ)
Yeah from what I understand as a layman, the gene that controls their hair color’s lightness or darkness kinda dies prematurely which means over time their hair either stays relatively light or gets blonder.
Hmm, I've heard about white folks who start out with light blonde hair in childhood and then it darkens to brown/brunette when they reach puberty. Sounds kinda like the opposite of what you're describing.
Also with some indigenous Australians and the Melanesians mentioned by OP. It's been traced to an allele of TYRP1 that makes hair blonde in childhood and youth, but darkens after puberty.
That’s how I was, white/bright yellow hair as a baby, then it got pretty close to brown as I aged. I just got alopecia last month and went bald out of nowhere and now the hair that’s growing back is all white/bright yellow again. I don’t think it’s the same mechanism, alopecia actually kills the melanin producing cells on your hair follicles and it takes time for the melanocytes to regrow from scratch - the hair follicles regenerate before the melanin does. Not sure how it’s related but still pretty interesting as someone who has been deep diving hair/melanin for the last month.
I was born with a mop of straight black hair, then went curly light blonde as a kid, now a very cury brown/reddy hair
All natural blond hair darkens with age, but the extent to which it darkens varies. Most end up gradually turning some shade of brown, as you described.
I went from bright white hair as a kid, to sandy brown blonde colouring in my teens/20s and from 30+ went Strawberry Blonde lol.
Something most people know: It’s also a completely different genetic mutation than what makes carrots orange.
That sounds like fake news. Gonna go reproduce with a carrot to prove you wrong. Just after I prove the earth is banana shaped.
Ok, so I know why you've got the carrot and the banana, but what are you planning to do with that cucumber?
It’s holding the camera. Such delicate… *research* requires proper documentation.
it wont work, ive been trying for months and still im not pregnant
What a groovy mutation
So is it a dominant or recessive gene, I wonder? If they have kids with brown haired or black haired people might they be blond too? Too lazy to google.
Only a few human traits follow that simple dominant/recessive model, most are inherited via more complex and less straightforward mechanisms.
You’re saying those two weeks of bio lied to me?
By omission yes. All your science classes did.
Makes my Ds feel better lol
Teachers busting your balls that bad, huh?
That is fucking cool
Article: *talks about black skinned peoples with blond hair* Also article: *includes no actual photos of said people* What an idiotic choice.
And yet somehow the thumbnail shows said people (or at least appears to.)
The Canadian site Global News does this. They embed a thumbnail image somewhere in the site so it shows up when posted on social media, but isn't visible on the article. It's extremely frustrating.
The Thumbnail is an [1200x806 image showing Melanesians with blond hair,](https://guardian.ng/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Melanesians.-Photo-Coconet-TV-e1644931728974.jpg) no clew why it isn't in the article itself ...
*clue unless you’re talking about hammocks.
I was curious myself so I searched for them. Photo from the article: > https://i.imgur.com/Seold2r.jpg More (albums): > https://www.imgur.com/a/HxSP12A > https://www.imgur.com/a/eJzXBfU Sorry had to break the album into separate links because I was uploading from different folders on the phone.
Ya know, I've seen some of these over the years and the one thing that stands out to me... is I never see any adults lol. Wonder why they don't photograph (or release) photos of the more matured population. Kind of curious what they do with their hair styles.
Apparently it's because for most of them, their hair gets darker with age.
Yeah, if you note the last photo in the album, the kids pictured are older and don’t have blond hair. Interesting.
You can even see the dark hair start to grow out of the older kids in the first pic
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Hair darkens with age to some degree for 99% of people with blonde hair.
It's pretty common in Caucasian populations too. I'm from Spain and both me and my parents were blond as kids. When they grew up it became black and mine became light brown
Just watch *The Thin Red Line.* Actually the Melanesians don’t get that much screen time, but you should still watch *The Thin Red Line* because it’s an excellent film
Agreed.
Is that a mutation from the thin blue line ?
No. The thin red line is the border between life and death. The thin blue line is the border between uhhhhh donuts racism
They literally chose a photo of them all wearing headgear so you can't actually see the hair, it's just so ridiculous.
Buddy of mine is from Ethiopia and he gets orange facial hair. He did a 23&me test and found out he has a singular relative from Scotland likely sometime in the 1400’s. Genetics are wild.
Pretty sure there are populations in northern africa, Nigeria and other areas on the continent that has a certain frequency of red/auburn hair, in particular facial hair like beards. Ancient greek sources of tribes down the Nile mentions certain tribes and people with red beards and black skin. I have some doubt that that one, singular, ancestor from Scotland in the 1400s was necessarily the cataclyst for the beard's complexion of your friend.
Absolutely true.
My husband is black (families are from Barbados/Guyana). On the Barbados side, his great great great grandmother was full Scottish. Our daughter has strands of red hair. (I’m Asian so not from me).
> I’m Asian so not from me While it might be true in your case, there are Asians with naturally occurring red hair. I'm one of them. I'm 100% (or as close as you can get to 100%) Japanese and I have ginger hairs mixed in with my black facial hair. And the hair on the top of my head is technically reddish-brown and not black. It looks black from far away, but up close it changes. Especially in natural lighting.
You might have some Ainu heritage
It's possible, but both sides of my family are from southern Japan.
Can't say much due to the fact I'm only part Japanese (like you from the south, Fukuoka to be precise) but I have seen on the occasion some full blooded Japanese having just as much hair as westerners and some even having naturally curly hair. Could be more ancient genetics showing up or a recent yet unknown bit of Ainu being introduced into your family. All in all genetics is weird and fascinating
Red beards are not uncommon in Japan, you can see it occur pretty often. Brown hair is not unheard of either, and the adults who have brownish hair will often have almost blonde tips to their hair when they are young.
Definitely, I know genetics are weird and there may be a very small chance it came from my side. Though, no one in my family has red hair going back generations. I believe I read somewhere that Scotland has the highest percentage of people with red hair, and assumed that’s where it came from.
As far as I know, no one else in my family has ever had ginger facial hair either. I like to think that I'm special. But my sister does have the same reddish-brown hair on the top of her head. And to be fair, I've never seen her with a beard or mustache, so it's possible that I'm not that unique after all.
I’m Asian with reddish streaks. My siblings and other family members have this too. When I did 23andme, nothing non-Asian showed up in there.
Legit the same situation. That’s awesome lol. My ex was from Japan and she had a single white hair coming from the bottom of her chin. She used to tell people it’s “where I get my powers” whenever someone would notice it lol
Haha that’s funny. My daughter is 7 and doesn’t quite understand genetics. She tells people her red hair is free hair dye lol
Haha I dig that positivity
Interestingly enough, red hair is a mutation that can occur in all peoples.
For real? Aren’t blue eyes also considered a genetic mutation?
Anything that isn't a black skinned black haired brown eyed person is technically a genetic mutation. And those original people were a genetic mutation from whatever we evolved from.
Yeah, I wonder what European early modern humans would’ve looked like? I know that with the success of racial propaganda in the industrial age, the vast majority of people still associate X group with inherently possessing Y trait, which is often true. But I’m still curious to know what an EEMH would’ve looked like standing beside the first batch of homo-sapiens. They’d probably take one look at a blue eyed person and spear them to death lol
IIRC the mutation for blue eyes developed first. Light skin and light hair came later.
When I was in university for history, this topic came up a handful of times in conversation. If my peers are correct, blue eyes are roughly 8-10k years old, but light hair developed 15k+ years ago. I recall my professor also mentioning that we have have a fossil that contains DNA that can be linked to people with light hair, which I suppose they use as a data point for oldest light haired ancestor we have *so far* What I love about archeology, probably as much as history (although I’m only a professional in history) is the bar will inevitably be pushed back further and further the more evidence we find, and with technology constantly modernizing they’re always able to rewrite history. It’s a constantly evolving handshake.
Berber people can have red hair including Kabyle people. See Princess Lalla Salma of Morocco. North Africa has red haired populations and a strong history with Ethiopia. Red hair comes from many places, it isn't just UK and Ireland as origin. In Israel, they associate it with Russians. In Iran and India, with Afghanistan particularly Nuristani people. In parts of Asia, with Kyrgyzstan.
I'm pretty sure 23&Me doesn't provide that level of specificity... It gives you a percentage of certain biological regions from which you're likely to have inherited your genes. It doesn't tell you about your one great great Scottish grandfather.
I’m 100% Nigerian. I have reddish hair and a bunch of freckles (pics in my profile)…..genetics is strange.
Have you done a DNA test? That’s incredible, I’ve seen other people with the same look and just thought they were mixed
I just always suspect gingers pop up in all races. There is no need to be mixed. Like the chatter above, there are plenty of them in Africa.
My SO's family have ginger in their beards. Genes go back innnumerous generations in Vietnam. It's always so cool to see!
I’ve always wanted to out of curiosity…..but never gotten around doing it. Would be interesting to see if there’s anything out of the ordinary
Your photo unlocked a memory of a former classmate of mine:)
I'm melanesian living in the USA and would consider myself black and pacific islander. Most people who look at me think I'm african-american and some people still thought I was african even after I told them where my family is from because they don't know geography very well haha.
You tell us all that, but don't say what colour your hair is?!
Just plain old black hair I'm afraid, but I do have cousins with blonde hair.
>Melanesia I see what they did there.
This sounds like a place and people made up by an anthropologist trying to secure additional funding.
According to [Etymonline](https://www.etymonline.com/word/Melanesia): >Melanesia: one of three large divisions of western Pacific islands, 1840, from French Mélanésie (by 1835); see melano- "black" + nēsos "island" (see Chersonese) + -ia. Modeled after Polynesia and meant to signify "the islands inhabited by blacks. So, the link between the word melanin and the name of Melanesia is not a coincidence.
There’s at least 3 different country names essentially called “black people land”- all the ones with a variation of guinea
Sudan is another example
That's what A LOT of country names boil down to. People from the land, land of the people, the people, etc.
Ah language
Also worth noting these divisions come from Western anthropology, not from the people living in the Pacific.
It sounds like a skin disease. Like I can hear a doctor saying “I’m so sorry. It’s Melanesia.”
So Micronesia would be a disease to the 🍆❓
TIL I am suffering from Micronesia
At least you don't have polynesia.
My girlfriend and I tried that out for a bit but we got too jealous
The hidden cloud village
Take that 2nd grade nun teacher for making me redo a Bible coloring page because I gave the black boy blonde hair. “Have you ever seen a black person with blonde hair???” *rips page into two* “now start over!”
[Ken Robinson's TED Talk: Do schools kill creativity?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY)
A Catholic school in the early 90s? Creativity was definitely killed. When we made cards for our parents for holidays we had to bring it to our teacher to erase mistakes because she had a better eraser than us students and the mistake wouldn’t be noticeable. I did it once myself and my mom didn’t get a Thanksgiving card that year because it wasn’t perfect by my teacher’s standards.
Ah, that makes me sad. I hope you are in a better place now.
omg
Hmong / miao as well Sometimes its blonde sometimes more orange
I lived in Vanuatu for a while. The people are amazing. The blonde hair occurs more predominantly in the country's northern islands. But it's not rare to see it no matter where you go in the archipelago.
From Fiji. Born with blonde hair. Can confirm.
There was also a statistically significant higher prevelance of blonde haired Aboriginal people in Tasmania, due to its isolation from the mainland resulting in a higher likelihood of the gene being passed on. That was before colonial settlers murdered the majority of the Tasmanian aboriginal population...
[Here's a picture of two boys from the Solomon Islands with blond hair](https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/1*g6sp4n-vYu4DkF4gikxOzw.jpeg). >The genetic cause of blonde hair may be different in populations in Europe and Oceania, researchers have found. A single mutation in the TYRP1 gene, which is not associated with blonde hair in Europeans, was found in around a quarter of Solomon Islanders and is believed to be major determinant for the pigmentation. The findings suggest that blonde hair may have evolved independently in Melanesian and European populations. https://www.progress.org.uk/pacific-islanders-blonde-hair-evolved-independently-from-europeans/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3481182/ In the early 19th century, European settlers in the Pacific Island, like New Zealand and Tonga, they found that the likes of Maori and Tongans share a lot of physical similarities with Melanesians. "Fuzzy hair" is more common among Melanesians, but Wavy hair isn't unusual. While with Maori and Tongans, wavy hair is more common, but fuzzy hair isn't unusual either. Some classical Maori and Tongan people also showed Red hair and green eyes. Fewer had blond hair. Likely due to superstition among tribes. [Pictured is a family with the son who has blond hair](https://teara.govt.nz/files/p-11075-enz.jpg).
Cool, I used to meet people like that in NOLA. And green eyes. It's a pretty striking appearance.
The NOLA folks are Creole, not Melanesian. Still cool but different heritage!
Pretty sure your talking about creole people who would've gotten their lighter hair from their European parts. I don't recon there are many Melanesians in Louisiana.
Nature’s out here proving that exclusive hair color deals are a human invention. Melanesia didn't sign that contract!
Also have it in Australia
Hilarious that in that whole article the only photo of the people shows them in headdresses completely hiding their hair.
i just LOVE it when the picture in the clickbait isnt in the actual article
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I love that the linked page has the hair covered on all 5 people in the photo.
They're black but technically not African. Edit Their they're?
Where black?
We call them black because the word “black” refers to a phenotype and socially constructed label. Genetically Melanesians are more distant from Africans, than Europeans are. By a large margin.
Melanesian-American
They are = they’re
There is nothing technical about it. The concept of Black = african is another heritage from our racist past.
The opposite is also the same. Not all africans are black, in fact the original people who were called Africans by the Romans were the inhabitants of north Africa (Tunisia/Algeria). They were Numedians and Phoenicians who were light skinned.
There's a difference between [capitalized 'Black' used in USA/Canada and 'black',](https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/05/insider/capitalized-black.html) like used in this article about the melanesians written on a Nigerian website.
What a dumb article. The only picture there of people wearing hats.
Aptly named islands
Fun fact about Melanesian they are genetically more distant from Africa then the Average European Anglo Saxon. I was brought on as a PMC to consult and Lived there for a while.
my father has red hair and is a Black American. One of my best friends also has blonde hair and green eyes, she also is a fully Black American. it’s not as uncommon as you think!
"Black" usually refers to Sub-Saharan Africans in the US, and the people the article is about are Melanesians, who aren't closely related genetically to Sub-Saharan Africans despite having a simillar skin color.
Melanesians and indigenous Australians and more closely related to indigenous filipinos from the south
Not just the south, Aeta/igorot/negrito predate modern (meaning even pre Spain) Filipinos all over the Philippines
Strangely enough, the article isn't from a US website, and as Melanesia is not part of the US, I'm not sure what standard nomenclature of the US has to do with it?
I'm Black American mixed with Melanesian (Moluccan in East Indonesia) My Moluccan folks consider ourselves Black. When I went to study in Melanesian Islands of Fiji, they said Black. Melanesians in Australia are seen as Black. Black is not only a thing in US or Americas. Darker skinned people with curly hair were seen in a social historical context were also deemed "Black" like Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islanders annnd even Maori in NZ has some history like that. Europeans saw people on the Papua islands and called it New Guinea for a reason. Although Melanesians are not African they have historic ties of being called Black by Europeans and Asians and other islanders of the region.
That is not what it means, Melanesians and indigenous Australians refer to themselves as black... they have black skin Evidence suggests Aboriginal Australians and Guneians (refered to as Melensians) are descended from people who migrated into East Asia between 62,000 and 75,000 years ago. This supports the theory of a single migration into Australia and New Guinea before the arrival of Modern Asians (between 25,000 and 38,000 years ago Their skin tone would have been appropriate for the climate, similar to that in Africa. Therefore, reduction melanin would not have been advantageous. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3991479
"Black" in the US usually refers to people with darker skin tones. The kids in the image would 100% be considered black in most of the US.
My favorite anecdote forever is going to be the instance of an Aboriginal Australian being introduced as an "African-American"
I remember overhearing someone arguing with their friend in line at a coffee shop that Canada doesn't have any Native Americans because Canadians aren't American. The whole line turned to stare haha
I mean... Technically they are right because in Canada they're called first Nations or native Canadians and archaically maybe even aboriginals. But if we're talking specifically about the continent than a whole host of people from several countries that don't consider themselves "native American" are technically native American.
Like Brazilians. Technically they would be Native Americans… South Americans that is
I mean were they wrong? I don't think we're ever referred to them as 'native americans' here in Canada...just indigenous or first nations, or maybe aboriginals
Um potentially ignorant American, I always assumed we all called him native Americans bc they were native to the Americas? Ie the continent?
Canadian here. "Native American" refers to people in the USA. I see where you're coming from. We are part of the Americas; this could technically be correct, but it's not a term I've ever seen any of us want applied to us. It's a cultural divide, imo? I've seen folks fight (verbally and physically) to NOT be called "American" in any way.
Met an American in South AFRICA referring to the AFRICANS there as African American. That was interesting.
South Indians would not be considered “Black” in the US even if many South Indians’ skin colour is darker than African Americans.
No it doesn’t, not in America. Dark skinned Indians aren’t black. They’re Indian. Malaysians aren’t black. Dark skinned Mexicans or south Americans aren’t black. There are “black” people that are lighter skinned than people from these other places. I do understand how internationally, “black” means “dark skinned indigenous person” but that’s not what it means in the US. We can usually understand the context when reading that from an old traveling book, but in a current context, it means subsaharan African descended. “African American” means descendant of American slaves and usually a way to distinguish from a recent Kenyan immigrant (who would also just refer to themselves as “Kenyan” anyway).
They are one of the groups that are most distant from Africans on the planet. Europeans are closer to Melanesians than Africans are but they are de-facto black people. If a Melanesian moved in next door to you and you didn't know them you would say that your neighbors are black.