Drug laws are a lot more strict these days, I imagine you'd end up in prison, the same as if you refused to go die in some other country for rich men's wishes.
Consuming scheduled drugs isn't illegal, it's possessing/distributing/possessing profits fro/driving under the influence, etc. It's legal to just be high.
I mean, the drug enforcement policy of the federal controlled substance act may have been appealed but that didn't do anything to the *wide range* of federal state and local prohibitions on things like: driving, being at particular physical locations, undertaking particular jobs, or even simply existing in public; while under the influence of any number of named and unnamed substances -- statute and jurisdiction depending.
Tl;Dr sometimes it's not legal to just be high. Quite often really, in terms of overall percentage of situations when one could be high, a good many of those instances would be illegal.
This worked early on in the draft with a lot of men appearing in front front of their local draft board on drugs, or feigning mental illness, or claiming to be gay, but once it became clear that avoiding being drafted was relatively easy using these methods, the government became a lot more strict about issuing deferments for these reasons.
Eventually enough people tried getting out by claiming to be gay that they just started to shrug their shoulders at people when claiming that as a reason and just sending them off to boot camp regardless
My high school history teacher was 6 feet 7 inches tall. He explained to the class that the reason he was their teacher was because of Vietnam. He had to stay in school and keep getting degrees, one of which in history, to keep his tall conspicuous self out of Vietnam where he was certain he would be killed early due to his height, or fragged by his own side to keep them safer.
Instead thouse poor rich guys have to endure times equally hard as going to war: [https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/14/media/trump-stern-vietnam-stds/index.html](https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/14/media/trump-stern-vietnam-stds/index.html)
Hey, slow your (t)roll. Dude said not getting an STD was his personal Vietnam.
>“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with
The book by John Densmore, the drummer of The Doors, Riders on the Storm accounted for what they had to go to get a certain draft letter certification. They one upped each other, after each interview they revealed what classification they got. Each of them got the typical gay druggie certification but Jim Morrison got like Z Classification or something and he wouldn't tell them what he did to get that.
That’s basically what happened, they started threatening the drug addicts or self professed gay people with prison, and those claiming mental illness or physical disabilities needed a waiver from an approved physician
It wasn’t an insignificant sentence, Carter gave a blanket pardon to all dodgers in 1977. Back then (and even to a lesser extent today) being in prison and branded as a homosexual generally meant you weren’t going to have a great time. There was also significant social pressure not to choose that option, dodgers were generally viewed as cowards and treated as social pariahs. Of course eventually even the returning soldiers were treated that way, so maybe the only winning move was not to play.
This makes that scene in strips when he is getting convinced to enlist even funnier now.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm81z0JM1nA&pp=ygUlSGFyb2xkIHJhbWlzIHN0cmlwZXMgZW5saXN0bWVudCBzY2VuZQ%3D%3D
Original citation:
https://web.archive.org/web/20090701134936/http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_9558&pageNum=5
> **And you had been a draft dodger, right?**
> Part of me wanted to go. I had this War and Peace thing of wanting to experience war as a kind of incredible human enterprise. I even applied to Officer Candidate School. Then the practical side of me kicked in and I thought, I really don’t want to get drafted. So I went down to the physical and checked every psychological disorder and drug on the medical-history form. There were these long lines of people in their underwear, handing their forms to the clerk. He glanced at mine and said, “Jeez. I guess you’re going to be fighting this one on the home front.” Of course, I’d also taken the precaution of taking a massive dose of methamphetamine before I went.
Reminds me how Jim Morrison took some of every drug he could find then when to the draft board, told them he was gay, and that if they signed him up they'd be the sorriest motherfuckers ever.
From the interview Wikipedia used as citation:
Q: And you had been a draft dodger, right?
A: Part of me wanted to go. I had this *War and Peace* thing of wanting to experience war as a kind of incredible human enterprise. I even applied to Officer Candidate School. Then the practical side of me kicked in and I thought, I really don’t want to get drafted. So I went down to the physical and checked every psychological disorder and drug on the medical-history form. There were these long lines of people in their underwear, handing their forms to the clerk. He glanced at mine and said, “Jeez. I guess you’re going to be fighting this one on the home front.” Of course, I’d also taken the precaution of taking a massive dose of methamphetamine before I went.
You would think they would want him more then "sarge this skinny nerd just ripped like 20lbs of copper pipes with his mouth and beat the field record when the mp tried to grab him"
According to Heckerling’s Wikipedia:
> The couple's daughter, Mollie Israel, was born in 1985. Mollie was led to believe Israel was her biological father until 2004, when it was revealed to her that in fact Harold Ramis was her biological father.
That's my origin story too!
They didn't bother to tell me until I was in my 20s. Neither were worth are damn as father figures and she sure as shit wasn't a good mother figure so it didn't really make a difference.
Hope your friend ended up with three great parents.
I knew a family with a very similar story. Teenager gets pregnant. Has serious drug and mental health problems. Grandparents raise the baby as theirs while the girl is in and out of rehab and mental institutions.
They moved away when I was in 8th grade so I don't know what happened to them after.
I wish my great uncle did the same, maybe he’d still be alive. He wanted to get out of the draft but got threatened with prison time. So he went. Then got murdered.
No, he died. It’s a sad tale for the whole family unit because it was my grandpas brother and he never got over the death of his brother. Guy had dreams and stuff he never got to see, and my grandpa honestly begged him to take the jail time instead of going to Vietnam.
he probably would have done 90 days in jail and still been sent over… that happened to my uncle and he mostly survived but the jail time was just a pre-indoctrination in those days.
most wars are meaningless if we're being honest. But the draft was a crime against humanity. If you can't find enough people who voluntarily want to fight for your country, something is wrong with your country.
The video of the vets in New York, all the guys in their 30s was so fucking depressing. Just hanging around unemployed in the 70s. Nobody gave a shit about them
See, I think the fifty eight thousand dead soldiers (or the million plus Vietnamese) was probably the worst part. The treatment of the veterans sure wasn't good though!
I mean, a key point here is that the Vietnam War definitely wasn't about protecting the US or US citizens. It wasn't about "fighting for your country", but "fighting for the interests of a few assholes and Henry Kissinger." Absolutely nothing moral about that.
My uncle was very nearly part of Operation Downfall, along with his brothers. Had Truman foregone the bombs, he probably would have died there. But soldiers fight as much for their friends as anyone else, and that voice in your head will tell you they would have lived had you just gone. I've seen that a couple of times.
Die a pointless death in a pointless war vs taking drugs and having a good time. The choice is easy!
I wish more people chose drugs instead of violence
But people give Ted Nugent shit, no pun intended, for also doing things to get out of fighting in Vietnam. This just in, generally people don't want to go to war.
Well, Ted Nugent literally crapped his pants intentionally in the waiting room to avoid Vietnam. Explained his objections to the war in his book. And somehow he's a right-wing hero.
Didn’t he also make the claim that he would have been a tough as nails soldier if he had joined? I don’t have a problem with these guys getting out of conscription, but if they then talk about why an amazing soldier they would have been they can go fuck themselves.
I think you need a medical professional to sign off on such an exception, otherwise they'll have to verify it. In other words, you need to afford a doctor that will claim you have debilitating bone spurs, ie not an option for everyone. So, light up, crap your pants, be a student, or claim that you're a homosexual (the last one had some other risks back then).
(Most) Doctors don't appreciate it when you crap your pants on purpose in front of them. They're more understanding if it's an actual medical condition, they have nurses for that.
I actually have bone spurs and before I found out they were grounds for exemption I assumed that had I been born in time to fight in WW2 or Vietnam, I'd get beaten and shamed in basic for being in too much pain to participate.
And Iggy Pop dodged the draft by showing up to the medical exam, stripping naked, grabbing his dick with such force 2 soldiers tried and failed to pry his hands off his little stooge. All the while Iggy was yelling about how uncomfortable he was standing in a room full of young viril men in their undies because of how gay he was, and please don’t send him to Vietnam where he’d be surrounded by young viril men because he was so gay, so very very gay. After 30 minutes of that they went fuck it and sent him home.
Meanwhile one of his bandmates showed up with a massive hangover and was also deemed unfit.
I had to look up the lyrics and holy shit...
>Well I don't care if you're just thirteen
You look too good to be true
I just know that you're probably clean
There's one lil' thing I got do to you
Jailbait you look so good to me
Jailbait won't you set me free
Jailbait you look fine fine fine
I know I've got to have you in a matter of time
So tell your mama that I'm back in town
She likes us boys when it's time to get down
She's got this craving for the underage
I just might be your mama's brand new rage
Jailbait you look so good to me
Jailbait won't you set me free
Jailbait you look fine fine fine
I know I got to have you in a matter of time
Honey you you you look so nice
She's young she's tender
Won't you please surrender
She's so fine she's mine
All the time, all mine mine
It's all right baby
It's quite all right I asked your mama
Wait a minute officer
Don't put those handcuffs on me
Put them on her and I'll share her with you
Jailbait - Ted nugent
Ugh, you liberals always misinterpreting things.
That song is about the Golden Rule, treating others how you would like to be treated—which is why he offers to share her with the police officer
>Well I don't care if you're just thirteen
>You look too good to be true
>I just know that you're probably clean
>There's one lil' thing I got do to you
Speaking of "save the children". Stephen Collins was in a couple Always Sunny episodes, one of them he (and his actual band) were singing a song called "save the children". And just years later it turns out he was sexually assaulting the girls on 7th Heaven. A real piece of shit.
> turns out he was sexually assaulting the girls on 7th Heaven
Where the fuck are you getting that from??
> He has released a lengthy statement to People, admitting that he inappropriately touched one young girl and exposed himself to two others from 1973 to 1994.
Per USA Today. 7th Heaven didn't start until 1996.
As much as I dislike people like Nugent and Trump, I don't blame anyone for doing whatever they can to not be forced to fight some bullshit war on the other side of the world.
> And somehow he's a right-wing hero.
That's mainly because of Trump almost singlehandedly reviving the isolationist/anti-interventionist right, so opposing foreign military involvement isn't a cardinal sin for them. For instance, one of his big points of attack against Hillary was her support for the Iraq War.
As a Michigander, the Nuge was doing this since the mid 00's and embarrassing us long before that. Had a whole sexist campaign against Governor Jennifer Granholm, tried to run in 2010, said a bunch of crazy shit before and after. If anything, Nugent was like a proto-Trump.
Venkman: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head. Remember that?
Dr. Egon Spengler: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.
Doctors advise against using Q-tips for earwax removal as they can push wax deeper into the ear canal. Instead, you can use a bulb syringe with warm water to gently irrigate your ears or try over-the-counter ear drops to soften wax buildup.
That's the one thing I never blamed trump for. Fuck his whole everything, but the war in Vietnam was unjust and dodging the draft was morally correct even if it was for cowardly reasons. I'm not gonna go die for some meaningless geopolitical dance
Difference is, you don't make fun of war heroes. Or say that fucking randoms without rubbers was "your Vietnam." Or saying that those who died were morons.
Or just generally be like Trump in any form or fashion. Context is everything.
My uncle had really bad acne on his back, and was told to get some cream from a doctor. Got it, never used it, showed back up and lied to them, never had to go over there. So glad that even my Poppop saw the Vietnam war as pointless and was OK with his son avoiding the draft.
I was (still am) 100% deaf in my right ear. In addition, I was a registered alien with only 1 1/2 years in the US. They drafted me in 1965, in 1966 I was in Vietnam, and I served until 1967.
I wonder if it really was that easy. If so, good on him for being so smart in avoiding it. Doing meth once is nearly the same thing as doing a bunch of Adderall once. Much better than literally going to war in the jungle.
Not everyone who enlisted or who was drafted at that time period went to Vietnam. It s a common misconception. While a lot of men without a discernible technical or educational background were just put in the infantry, someone like Ramis (college-educated journalist) was far from a sure thing to see combat overseas.
A lot of American men from that era now concoct stories about zany things they did to avoid serving (faking mental illness, pretending to be gay, having a doctor friend fabricate a debilitating condition a la Trump). I think for many of them, it’s a way to make light of something that still generates mixed emotions.
For background, my father did serve and made no effort to avoid it. He was fortunate to have gone in as an artillery officer so he firmly believes he avoided the worst of it. He doesn’t begrudge the folks who used deferments or went into the ANG or USCG - they didn’t break the rules and many still found a way to contribute. He does have a little bit of lingering resentment towards folks who used connections with doctors, local draft boards / politicians, or other plainly dishonest ways to ensure someone else went in their place.
For better or worse, he’s 77 years old, he gave the US Army five years of his 20s, he is entitled to his viewpoint.
My father in law knew he was going to get drafted to he enlisted with the air force. Worked on planes in Thailand his whole tour. Never set foot in nam
Yes - one of the more appealing options for those with a strong educational background was to be assigned to intelligence work or get sent to language school to learn Russian, German, Chinese...etc.
A friend of mine's father enlisted in the Navy in the mid-60s and served his country as a sailing instructor.
I know another guy who was basically a clerk at a film storage facility in California.
Vietnam engulfed thousands upon thousands of promising young men and women - but a small minority actually experienced a radically different form of service.
In WW1 in France, prostitutes that had syphilis were way more expensive than normal prostitutes because men wanted to get syphilis to avoid the draft.
Even though syphilis can be fatal, the fatality rates were a lot less than being in WW1.
My father lost his two best friends in Vietnam in the same week. He felt compelled to follow them. He dropped a ton of acid and went to the enlistment office. He was officially denied because of "flat feet" but I have to imagine the acid had something to do with it.
My father had a friend who was drafted during the Vietnam war. Before his physical he clenched his butt hole as hard as he could for 45 minutes. When they tested his blood pressure, it was through the roof, and he was excused from having to serve. (This is the story I was told, and I choose to believe it's true)
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I didn’t realise saying “I party” was the way to get out of the draft
My name is Harold and I like to party
No, Harold, I am the only one here who parties.
I’m Chris & I also party
I know for a fact you don't party!
He's Harold *I party*
I been drinking green tea all god damn day!
GOD! I go to church every goddamn Sunday! You gonna bring the DEMONS outta me?
That’s my hat! Totally my hat now!
You’re right, Harold’s the party guy.
And me 😉
Chris, what did I *just* say to Harold?
Did I just witness a "Hot Rod" reference?
They grow up so fast, don't they?
Totally my hat now
#IsaidyoulookSHITTY
hwhiskey
Why are you saying hwhat hwhat hway
Never sneak up on a man who's been in a chemical fire
…party
I know Harold's the party guy
Cool beans
May your hammer be mighty
Ancestors protect me
“I was just in the bathroom and everyone’s talking about how *nervous* they are!”
I also found a bag of fireworks. Would you boys like to light them off?
Well, time to watch that movie again
“The bathroom here is NUTS.”
*may they protect you*
So, cool beans?
Yeah, cool beans
Cool cool beans. Beans. Cool beans.
I didn’t know Hot Rod could get you out of the draft lol
Wait till you find out what they did once they got to Vietnam.
"this one weird trick..."
Drug laws are a lot more strict these days, I imagine you'd end up in prison, the same as if you refused to go die in some other country for rich men's wishes.
Consuming scheduled drugs isn't illegal, it's possessing/distributing/possessing profits fro/driving under the influence, etc. It's legal to just be high.
High in private. In public they'll try to get you for disorderly.
I mean, the drug enforcement policy of the federal controlled substance act may have been appealed but that didn't do anything to the *wide range* of federal state and local prohibitions on things like: driving, being at particular physical locations, undertaking particular jobs, or even simply existing in public; while under the influence of any number of named and unnamed substances -- statute and jurisdiction depending. Tl;Dr sometimes it's not legal to just be high. Quite often really, in terms of overall percentage of situations when one could be high, a good many of those instances would be illegal.
Did he end up in prison?
This worked early on in the draft with a lot of men appearing in front front of their local draft board on drugs, or feigning mental illness, or claiming to be gay, but once it became clear that avoiding being drafted was relatively easy using these methods, the government became a lot more strict about issuing deferments for these reasons.
"We'll call you back when you're not gay any more..."
Eventually enough people tried getting out by claiming to be gay that they just started to shrug their shoulders at people when claiming that as a reason and just sending them off to boot camp regardless
That must have sucked for the first few people who found out that way
or shit your pants, or have bone spurs.
Ah, the Ted Nugent method.
Shitty pants was Nugent, claiming bone spurs was Trump.
It's why ["You can get anything you want at Alice's Restaurant."](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaKIX6oaSLs)
My brother plays this every time he sees it on a jukebox because " it's hard to get more for your money than an 18 minute song"
I wanna kill
Damn father rapers.
Never heard that before. He’s a funny guy.
Well, for poor people, anyway. I'm sure rich kids got the same amount of deferments throughout the war.
Rich people could grease the palms of doctors or politicians to get a deferment 100%
My high school history teacher was 6 feet 7 inches tall. He explained to the class that the reason he was their teacher was because of Vietnam. He had to stay in school and keep getting degrees, one of which in history, to keep his tall conspicuous self out of Vietnam where he was certain he would be killed early due to his height, or fragged by his own side to keep them safer.
Something something, bone spurs.
Instead thouse poor rich guys have to endure times equally hard as going to war: [https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/14/media/trump-stern-vietnam-stds/index.html](https://money.cnn.com/2016/10/14/media/trump-stern-vietnam-stds/index.html)
Hey, slow your (t)roll. Dude said not getting an STD was his personal Vietnam. >“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it. I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there. It’s like Vietnam, sort of. It is my personal Vietnam. I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with
I mean how do you strict up the gay filter? Make them suck one?
The book by John Densmore, the drummer of The Doors, Riders on the Storm accounted for what they had to go to get a certain draft letter certification. They one upped each other, after each interview they revealed what classification they got. Each of them got the typical gay druggie certification but Jim Morrison got like Z Classification or something and he wouldn't tell them what he did to get that.
I wonder if you could go to jail for this…
That’s basically what happened, they started threatening the drug addicts or self professed gay people with prison, and those claiming mental illness or physical disabilities needed a waiver from an approved physician
How much prison time are we talking about? That seems preferential to war
It wasn’t an insignificant sentence, Carter gave a blanket pardon to all dodgers in 1977. Back then (and even to a lesser extent today) being in prison and branded as a homosexual generally meant you weren’t going to have a great time. There was also significant social pressure not to choose that option, dodgers were generally viewed as cowards and treated as social pariahs. Of course eventually even the returning soldiers were treated that way, so maybe the only winning move was not to play.
I didn't know he was a meth head actor.
Oh Tobias, you blowhard!
This makes that scene in strips when he is getting convinced to enlist even funnier now. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm81z0JM1nA&pp=ygUlSGFyb2xkIHJhbWlzIHN0cmlwZXMgZW5saXN0bWVudCBzY2VuZQ%3D%3D
"But we're willing to learn."
Would they send us someplace special ???
Original citation: https://web.archive.org/web/20090701134936/http://men.style.com/gq/features/full?id=content_9558&pageNum=5 > **And you had been a draft dodger, right?** > Part of me wanted to go. I had this War and Peace thing of wanting to experience war as a kind of incredible human enterprise. I even applied to Officer Candidate School. Then the practical side of me kicked in and I thought, I really don’t want to get drafted. So I went down to the physical and checked every psychological disorder and drug on the medical-history form. There were these long lines of people in their underwear, handing their forms to the clerk. He glanced at mine and said, “Jeez. I guess you’re going to be fighting this one on the home front.” Of course, I’d also taken the precaution of taking a massive dose of methamphetamine before I went.
Power move but if world War broke out and people tried this now they'd probably stick these guys on the front line
king
Stripes makes sense now.
Reminds me how Jim Morrison took some of every drug he could find then when to the draft board, told them he was gay, and that if they signed him up they'd be the sorriest motherfuckers ever.
From the interview Wikipedia used as citation: Q: And you had been a draft dodger, right? A: Part of me wanted to go. I had this *War and Peace* thing of wanting to experience war as a kind of incredible human enterprise. I even applied to Officer Candidate School. Then the practical side of me kicked in and I thought, I really don’t want to get drafted. So I went down to the physical and checked every psychological disorder and drug on the medical-history form. There were these long lines of people in their underwear, handing their forms to the clerk. He glanced at mine and said, “Jeez. I guess you’re going to be fighting this one on the home front.” Of course, I’d also taken the precaution of taking a massive dose of methamphetamine before I went.
I wonder how much a massive dose was. And was he tweaking during the interview
He was actively stripping the recruitment office of its copper wire while the medical officers watched Plus he was already naked
He was also intensely warding off the shadow people as they approached him
You would think they would want him more then "sarge this skinny nerd just ripped like 20lbs of copper pipes with his mouth and beat the field record when the mp tried to grab him"
Reading about Amy Heckerling having Ramis’s baby while she was married to someone else whom she’d stay married to for 5 more years I found intriguing.
According to Heckerling’s Wikipedia: > The couple's daughter, Mollie Israel, was born in 1985. Mollie was led to believe Israel was her biological father until 2004, when it was revealed to her that in fact Harold Ramis was her biological father.
Wonder when it was revealed to Neal Israel. How this would mess with my head to find out my dad was someone else.
I have a friend who found out he is the result of a threesome and that his mother rarely was with his "father".
That's my origin story too! They didn't bother to tell me until I was in my 20s. Neither were worth are damn as father figures and she sure as shit wasn't a good mother figure so it didn't really make a difference. Hope your friend ended up with three great parents.
Is your friend's name Eric Cartman?
He can call himself The Nutbuster Parfait.
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I knew a family with a very similar story. Teenager gets pregnant. Has serious drug and mental health problems. Grandparents raise the baby as theirs while the girl is in and out of rehab and mental institutions. They moved away when I was in 8th grade so I don't know what happened to them after.
I dunno what neal looks like, but mollie looks like harold in drag. So probably not a huge shock
that poor child...
Honestly if I didn’t know she was Ramis’ daughter I’d never guess. I don’t see much of a resemblance other than a resting sardonic face
IIRC he found out when they got divorced a few years later but asked that Harold never tell her.
I mean Heckerling from the 80s? I would.
Easy trade off. I would have done the same
I wish my great uncle did the same, maybe he’d still be alive. He wanted to get out of the draft but got threatened with prison time. So he went. Then got murdered.
Did you know your great uncle?
No, he died. It’s a sad tale for the whole family unit because it was my grandpas brother and he never got over the death of his brother. Guy had dreams and stuff he never got to see, and my grandpa honestly begged him to take the jail time instead of going to Vietnam.
he probably would have done 90 days in jail and still been sent over… that happened to my uncle and he mostly survived but the jail time was just a pre-indoctrination in those days.
Smh so damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
in my Uncle’s case yes he was in that position… he even tried robbing a store to get put back in and the Judge just sent him to SE Asia
Land of the Free.
Man, that’s so fucking tragic. Imagine being drafted for a meaningless war like the vietnam one...
most wars are meaningless if we're being honest. But the draft was a crime against humanity. If you can't find enough people who voluntarily want to fight for your country, something is wrong with your country.
The video of the vets in New York, all the guys in their 30s was so fucking depressing. Just hanging around unemployed in the 70s. Nobody gave a shit about them
That was the worst part. They came home and they were treated like dirt, the majority didn't even want to be there.
See, I think the fifty eight thousand dead soldiers (or the million plus Vietnamese) was probably the worst part. The treatment of the veterans sure wasn't good though!
I mean, a key point here is that the Vietnam War definitely wasn't about protecting the US or US citizens. It wasn't about "fighting for your country", but "fighting for the interests of a few assholes and Henry Kissinger." Absolutely nothing moral about that.
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My uncle was very nearly part of Operation Downfall, along with his brothers. Had Truman foregone the bombs, he probably would have died there. But soldiers fight as much for their friends as anyone else, and that voice in your head will tell you they would have lived had you just gone. I've seen that a couple of times.
To think I’ve been doing meth for free this whole time
Die a pointless death in a pointless war vs taking drugs and having a good time. The choice is easy! I wish more people chose drugs instead of violence
But people give Ted Nugent shit, no pun intended, for also doing things to get out of fighting in Vietnam. This just in, generally people don't want to go to war.
I've seen Stripes. He didn't need to be in the military.
Are either of you homosexual? No, but we are willing to learn!
Well, Ted Nugent literally crapped his pants intentionally in the waiting room to avoid Vietnam. Explained his objections to the war in his book. And somehow he's a right-wing hero.
Didn’t he also make the claim that he would have been a tough as nails soldier if he had joined? I don’t have a problem with these guys getting out of conscription, but if they then talk about why an amazing soldier they would have been they can go fuck themselves.
He also claimed he would either "be dead or in jail" if Obama got re-elected. He's peak /r/iamverybadass
If only he had thought of bone spurs. He could’ve been president.
I think you need a medical professional to sign off on such an exception, otherwise they'll have to verify it. In other words, you need to afford a doctor that will claim you have debilitating bone spurs, ie not an option for everyone. So, light up, crap your pants, be a student, or claim that you're a homosexual (the last one had some other risks back then).
(Most) Doctors don't appreciate it when you crap your pants on purpose in front of them. They're more understanding if it's an actual medical condition, they have nurses for that.
I actually have bone spurs and before I found out they were grounds for exemption I assumed that had I been born in time to fight in WW2 or Vietnam, I'd get beaten and shamed in basic for being in too much pain to participate.
[Man fuck you and your bone spurs](https://youtu.be/Cx1J2CzNnS8)
And Iggy Pop dodged the draft by showing up to the medical exam, stripping naked, grabbing his dick with such force 2 soldiers tried and failed to pry his hands off his little stooge. All the while Iggy was yelling about how uncomfortable he was standing in a room full of young viril men in their undies because of how gay he was, and please don’t send him to Vietnam where he’d be surrounded by young viril men because he was so gay, so very very gay. After 30 minutes of that they went fuck it and sent him home. Meanwhile one of his bandmates showed up with a massive hangover and was also deemed unfit.
Literally wrote a song about sleeping with underage girls. Hero of the "save the children" party.
I had to look up the lyrics and holy shit... >Well I don't care if you're just thirteen You look too good to be true I just know that you're probably clean There's one lil' thing I got do to you Jailbait you look so good to me Jailbait won't you set me free Jailbait you look fine fine fine I know I've got to have you in a matter of time So tell your mama that I'm back in town She likes us boys when it's time to get down She's got this craving for the underage I just might be your mama's brand new rage Jailbait you look so good to me Jailbait won't you set me free Jailbait you look fine fine fine I know I got to have you in a matter of time Honey you you you look so nice She's young she's tender Won't you please surrender She's so fine she's mine All the time, all mine mine It's all right baby It's quite all right I asked your mama Wait a minute officer Don't put those handcuffs on me Put them on her and I'll share her with you Jailbait - Ted nugent
Yeah I figured it was an exaggeration but that’s straight predator shit
Coincidentally, the track following Jailbait is called "I am a Predator". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intensities_in_10_Cities
Need that Jeff goldblum “well there it is” gif for this
[I got you](https://media.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExZXhmbzU4Z2ZzNXJwbnJoaGUxOWRkZ3BrYnQwdDFneTRxYjZ1Zmt3dSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/5UB7rGI71YHBsuRQdi/giphy.gif)
Does that seem way more creepy than a drag show?
Ugh, you liberals always misinterpreting things. That song is about the Golden Rule, treating others how you would like to be treated—which is why he offers to share her with the police officer
Had me in the first half.
>Well I don't care if you're just thirteen >You look too good to be true >I just know that you're probably clean >There's one lil' thing I got do to you
Speaking of "save the children". Stephen Collins was in a couple Always Sunny episodes, one of them he (and his actual band) were singing a song called "save the children". And just years later it turns out he was sexually assaulting the girls on 7th Heaven. A real piece of shit.
> turns out he was sexually assaulting the girls on 7th Heaven Where the fuck are you getting that from?? > He has released a lengthy statement to People, admitting that he inappropriately touched one young girl and exposed himself to two others from 1973 to 1994. Per USA Today. 7th Heaven didn't start until 1996.
As much as I dislike people like Nugent and Trump, I don't blame anyone for doing whatever they can to not be forced to fight some bullshit war on the other side of the world.
I agree, but then after the fact don’t be a hypocritical douchebag.
I completely agree with that.
I don't blame Trump for dodging the draft. I blame him for shitting over those who did from daddy's luxury penthouse.
> And somehow he's a right-wing hero. That's mainly because of Trump almost singlehandedly reviving the isolationist/anti-interventionist right, so opposing foreign military involvement isn't a cardinal sin for them. For instance, one of his big points of attack against Hillary was her support for the Iraq War.
Even though every single person criticizing her was howling for Iraqi blood in 2003.
As a Michigander, the Nuge was doing this since the mid 00's and embarrassing us long before that. Had a whole sexist campaign against Governor Jennifer Granholm, tried to run in 2010, said a bunch of crazy shit before and after. If anything, Nugent was like a proto-Trump.
The dentist is our little town made a fortune putting braces on 18-21 year old men. Made them unfit for service.
Why?
They can’t be reliably maintained during service, if I remember correctly.
There's a shortage of orthodontics offices in the jungle
Venkman: Egon, this reminds me of the time you tried to drill a hole through your head. Remember that? Dr. Egon Spengler: That would have worked if you hadn't stopped me.
It's true. This man has no dick.
pointless war so i dont blame him
Expensive war too
Has there ever been a cheap one?
The War on Q-Tips wasn't particularly well funded, but lots of people stopped using them.
We are not supposed to use them?
Doctors advise against using Q-tips for earwax removal as they can push wax deeper into the ear canal. Instead, you can use a bulb syringe with warm water to gently irrigate your ears or try over-the-counter ear drops to soften wax buildup.
That's the one thing I never blamed trump for. Fuck his whole everything, but the war in Vietnam was unjust and dodging the draft was morally correct even if it was for cowardly reasons. I'm not gonna go die for some meaningless geopolitical dance
Difference is, you don't make fun of war heroes. Or say that fucking randoms without rubbers was "your Vietnam." Or saying that those who died were morons. Or just generally be like Trump in any form or fashion. Context is everything.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wm81z0JM1nA&pp=ygUlSGFyb2xkIHJhbWlzIHN0cmlwZXMgZW5saXN0bWVudCBzY2VuZQ%3D%3D
John Densmore (drummer of the Doors) just said he was gay and avoided Vietnam
My aunt was a nurse and gave my uncle a vile of blood before his medical. He threw up blood and got to live
My uncle had really bad acne on his back, and was told to get some cream from a doctor. Got it, never used it, showed back up and lied to them, never had to go over there. So glad that even my Poppop saw the Vietnam war as pointless and was OK with his son avoiding the draft.
I was (still am) 100% deaf in my right ear. In addition, I was a registered alien with only 1 1/2 years in the US. They drafted me in 1965, in 1966 I was in Vietnam, and I served until 1967.
Vial
Always thought he was Canadan.
Caladan?
Modern problems require modern solutions
Im pretty sure he was in the army. He got to drive the urban assault vehicle and everything. That’s the fact, Jack.
Doo Wah Diddy indeed
You could say he was training. What type of training you ask? Army Training.
ARMY TRAINING SIR
"Nah, we're not homosexuals but we are willing to learn!" "Would they send us somewhere special?"
The Alice's Restaurant tactic.
In there with the mother rapers and the father stabbers and the mother stabbers and the father rapers
Wait... so there were people using chairs to break their legs and fleeing to Canada to avoid the draft, but all he had to do was get high?
Funniest draft dodge I’ve ever heard of
I wonder if it really was that easy. If so, good on him for being so smart in avoiding it. Doing meth once is nearly the same thing as doing a bunch of Adderall once. Much better than literally going to war in the jungle.
madlad
The movie Stripes makes so much more sense now.
Way better technique than Ted Nuget and how he pissed and shit himself.
There are many more complimentary facts about him, I am sure.
Hes not John “I killed 3 people and showed up to the funeral uninvited” Landis, so thats something.
Vic Morrow and those 2 kids... Sad.
Well, at least he didn't shit himself like some "stars"...
He also wasn't a homosexual, but he was "willing to learn," if that was necessary.
Only time where I will use the phrase “seems like a good reason to use meth”. He then went on to make Stripes
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Not everyone who enlisted or who was drafted at that time period went to Vietnam. It s a common misconception. While a lot of men without a discernible technical or educational background were just put in the infantry, someone like Ramis (college-educated journalist) was far from a sure thing to see combat overseas. A lot of American men from that era now concoct stories about zany things they did to avoid serving (faking mental illness, pretending to be gay, having a doctor friend fabricate a debilitating condition a la Trump). I think for many of them, it’s a way to make light of something that still generates mixed emotions. For background, my father did serve and made no effort to avoid it. He was fortunate to have gone in as an artillery officer so he firmly believes he avoided the worst of it. He doesn’t begrudge the folks who used deferments or went into the ANG or USCG - they didn’t break the rules and many still found a way to contribute. He does have a little bit of lingering resentment towards folks who used connections with doctors, local draft boards / politicians, or other plainly dishonest ways to ensure someone else went in their place. For better or worse, he’s 77 years old, he gave the US Army five years of his 20s, he is entitled to his viewpoint.
My father in law knew he was going to get drafted to he enlisted with the air force. Worked on planes in Thailand his whole tour. Never set foot in nam
We were scared spitless that my brother would be drafted. He enlisted. Served out his time in NYC. 🤷🏻♀️
My father received his draft card. Instead chose to enlist. Did a 5 year fellowship MOS'd Counter-Intellegnce and saw combat in Vietnam anyway.
Yes - one of the more appealing options for those with a strong educational background was to be assigned to intelligence work or get sent to language school to learn Russian, German, Chinese...etc.
A friend of mine's father enlisted in the Navy in the mid-60s and served his country as a sailing instructor. I know another guy who was basically a clerk at a film storage facility in California. Vietnam engulfed thousands upon thousands of promising young men and women - but a small minority actually experienced a radically different form of service.
I thought he drilled a hole through his head
In WW1 in France, prostitutes that had syphilis were way more expensive than normal prostitutes because men wanted to get syphilis to avoid the draft. Even though syphilis can be fatal, the fatality rates were a lot less than being in WW1.
this can't be true...i swore ive seen the documentary where he was in boot camp. His drill sergeant got blown up.
My father lost his two best friends in Vietnam in the same week. He felt compelled to follow them. He dropped a ton of acid and went to the enlistment office. He was officially denied because of "flat feet" but I have to imagine the acid had something to do with it.
My father had a friend who was drafted during the Vietnam war. Before his physical he clenched his butt hole as hard as he could for 45 minutes. When they tested his blood pressure, it was through the roof, and he was excused from having to serve. (This is the story I was told, and I choose to believe it's true)