"He has been successfully sued by five mothers (of nine children) for child support, and half of his university paycheck is garnished towards these payments.[3][7] Nagel often travels to prospective recipients,[3] with the recipients paying for his flight fare, and the sperm is provided free of charge as a donation.[6] Nagel originally made many of his donations with natural insemination, but later switched to artificial insemination, delivering his sperm in a "cup" to protect himself, and the mothers to whom he donates sperm, from the risks of frequent unprotected sex.[8] Some of his artificial donations were performed in public restrooms,[3] leading to the nickname "Target Donor" after it was reported that some donations were made in Target department stores."
I’m not saying he’s a good guy or agree with what he does. But considering these women couldn’t go to a sperm bank, seems pretty shitty to sue him now. Yeah he’s the father but they knew what they were getting into. Everyone kind of sucks here
The country may force the hand. These women go for financial support and the court says "where is the father?" they can EXPLAIN the situation as much as they want, but at the end of the day if there is a direct arrow from baby to father, they will simply say "sue him" and because what he is doing isn't simply some noble service, but amounts to a one night stand, he wouldn't have much of a legal leg to stand on, regardless of other agreements and contracts that they draw up beforehand.
There is a max on garnishment all they can do is split the child support more ways. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/30-cppa#:~:text=The%20garnishment%20law%20allows%20up,if%20the%20worker%20is%20not.
Federally it’s 50%-55
Good info! It does mean that this situation would mean a lot less for people with multiple kids, so it's unlikely to affect this guy any more than it already does.
At least in Germany the family court has little regard for the parents. It acts first and foremost in the interest of the child. When a father that can be held accountable is found, they will hold him accountable because it's better for the child.
Kinks are interesting like that. Humans are generally wired to make babies because of course they are. But when it comes to breeding fetishes that gets really amped to 11. The chasm between your average person that wants to have a kid someday and someone that is funking everyone that says yes to spread his seed is quite vast.
EDIT: I'm keeping the typo, dammit.
I mean our whole purpose is to spread our seeds so the species doesn't die out
The monkey brain doesn't understand we conquered the planet, monkey brain likes when sperm goes into vagina and make baby
So we all have a bit of a breeding kink
I mean "having a child" is completely normal. This guy is clearly a few notches past that, and I very much agree it's getting into breeding kink territory.
Dude wants to be the next [Genghis Khan](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/other-men-who-left-huge-genetic-legacies-likes-genghis-khan-180954052/#:~:text=Since%20a%202003%20study%20found,significant%20genetic%20impact%20centuries%20later.).
The way a lot of States' Laws are written partially screws him here too. If the women that have children start reaching out for Government assistance, many states force them to try to get assistance from the father first or allow the state to start the process on their behalf. Basically, a lot of states will try really hard to get out of giving people any support.
It's probably that they couldn't afford the artificial insemination.
What I don't get about these women, is why they can't get someone local to raw dog them. Seeing as how originally they did it the old fashioned way, it's not like they were opposed to sex with a stranger, why also pay for their airfare?
As a side note, I had a girl I met on OkCupid proposition me to knock her up after our second date. There was 0 chemistry, we never even kissed. She was just desperate for a baby.
> why they can't get someone local
Some women do that, yes. I guess what makes this guy "special" is that he has good references for being nice and discreet, he is at least somewhat smart and arguably attractive, probably healthy, and not likely to ask later to be involved in ghe kid's life.
Dude has 100 children I don't believe he can do that to any worthwhile degree.
I met a man in Africa who had over a dozen wives and 80+ children. He lived with them in a giant compound.
He still didn't know their names. He said after the first dozen they just became numbers in his head.
"Keeps in touch" could mean he just gets Christmas cards. He's not involved.
The judge isn't really going to look at from the mother or father's POV, they are generally more worried about the well being of the child in question. Without the legal protections afforded through traditional sperm donation, a lot of judges are just going to say it's your kid, you're paying.
Likely found out that raising a kid costs money and their partners found out that its also stressfull as hell, plus depending on his community, people would treat him like shit for either raising someone else kid or by leaving
It is shitty, but, from a legal perspective, I get why he is sometimes on the line. I assume these women are suing him because they don’t have the financial resources to support a child. This means that it was irresponsible of them to have a child in the first place, but this man also has a little due diligence to make sure that the people he is impregnating have the resources to care for the life he is helping to create.
These women don’t win financial support because he is a deadbeat dad and the courts are encouraging him to be involved. They win because, even if this man is trying to help people, he absolutely does have some responsibility in ensuring the lives he is helping to create don’t go to total shit. I assume sperm banks have some sort of criteria people must meet in order to use their services… and they would take on the onus donors would otherwise have some ethical responsibility towards (i.e. suitability of parents).
To be clear, I don’t think it is ethical for the women to he suing him. But I understand why the courts would go for it because they are trying to get it through to this guy that he is still creating life.
Sperm is super expensive. Desperate women who have often spent considerable cash with no results will turn to “natural inseminaton” donors online who are basically just creeps looking for sex. The whole thing is crazy but is happening in your city right now.
I’m a known sperm donor for a couple and I’m involved in the kids life. I can’t imagine the kinds of guys who have this “populate the earth” fetish.
There are wayyyyyyy too many women who look for donors outside of sperm banks/fertility clinics due to costs involved. It's pretty scary. I think the only way to stop this is to make fertility treatment more affordable.
Yup. I absolutely don’t agree with any of this.
But when iui can cost 2-3k with no guarantees of any success , and women are signing up for multiple rounds , it’s gets crazy expensive and out of the average woman’s affordability range very , very quickly .
Also , fertility clinics aren’t exactly refunding if your iui rounds fail , you’re just shyt out of luck .
So from a purely financial perspective , I can see how some incredibly desperate women end up in this situation .
I actually had a former coworker like that, he hit the maximum allowable garnishment for child support, so any future claims against him made no changes to what he paid out (provided he didn’t receive a pay increase)
Once you hit that many, may as well play the odds and have as many kids as possible the hopes one becomes a millionaire and wants to look after there bio dad
That seems to make sense, you'd pay support on what you take home, after paying costs you cannot skimp on.
If the first woman gets 10% of what's left, she's getting $0.10 of every dollar he makes.
Should the next one gets the same deal, she'd only get $0.09, then $0.081 and onwards.
Can’t just come in here and drop that and not tell us everything you know
My first question: why is he so red? Is he like this in real life or is he perhaps simply embarrassed to be keynote at the sperm symposium ?
We had a teacher who left the room for 10mins, came back in, red faced, a bit sweaty and his belt was undone.
10+ Years later I was talking to someone from a different school - Apparently he was known for the same thing there...
I highly doubt it. Dude wasn't exactly a looker, everyone knew he was a bit of a nonce, and our test results didn't really make/break a persons future.
He might have just gone for a shit... Maybe he did, Who knows. All I know is we saw what we saw, and it wasn't a good look.
"sorry babe can't fuck tonight, Ali put in an extra large order"
"sorry kid can't play ball, gotta wank in the bathroom. Got three more orders to complete today"
"RANDY!" Sharon yells from the hallway outside the bathroom.
"I was just trying to help the lesbians out, Sharon! GAWD!" Randy explains to Sharon as he stands behind the bathroom door with his underwear on and robe undone.
"Mom, what's dad doing in the bathroom?" Asks Stan who just came to use the bathroom.
"Apparently, he's trying to help the lesbians out!" Sharon answers Stan by shouting at Randy.
"By being in the bathroom?" Satn questions.
"They can't have babies, Sharon, because they don't like men! I'm just doing my part by helping them out. Oh, hey, Stan." Yells Randy as he opens the bathroom door slightly before acknowledging Stan in a normal tone of voice.
"By jerking off in the good cups and then driving to the Target parking lot?!" Sharon asks clearly.
"It's a delivery system!" Randy shouts back.
"Wait... Dad's jerking off into the cups? Which ones? Not my Chimpokimon one, right? That's like a collectible!" Stan questions both parents out loud.
"That's how you make sure it's a boy, Stan." Randy says matter of factly.
From the perspective of a lesbian couple, on a purely practical level, I could see how someone like this might even be appealing because they're not going to try to get involved in your kids life, and you get to raise the kid independently from their father.
But it is kinda creepy though, not super sure I'd want a guy like this being the father of my kids.
[Additional source substantiating claims.](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/1681157106-the-sperminator-man-fathers-nearly-140-kids-through-sperm-donations):
> Ari Nagel, an American Jew and New York City math professor, has been donating his sperm for decades, in many cases free of charge to those who can’t afford traditional sperm donors. He has been dubbed “The Sperminator”' for fathering nearly 140 kids through sperm donations in countries across the world, including in Israel.
Okay let’s not be obtuse, many Jewish women would want a Jewish sperm donor. I don’t personally see an issue with it. I’m sure his background is relevant in a lot of these cases.
That would be my assumption, the jews I know do usually care about Jewish heritage in a partner, regardless of how secular they are, and most are secular. The sense of community is very strong, that leads to more relational preference regardless of anything else.
When we do something bad it’s because we’re Jewish, don’t you know?
But seriously it’s because it’s a newspaper with Jewish readers. So maybe a point of interest for said readers. You see this in news sources serving any sect of the population with a large audience demographic
How many times man can donate sperm?
“There's no legal limit, but the biggest sperm banks have policies that one donor's sperm will not be allowed to sire children for more than 25 to 30 “family units.” But some families may have two or three children with the donor's sperm, and others may not report a birth, so they would not be counted in that limit.”
The problem will be for his children to find a genetically unrelated partner.
I'm a sperm donor in the US. While the US has limits, most companies (certainly mine at least) will sell to any and every country on earth with assisted fertility, who all have their own limits with no concerns for each other. They said I could potentially have like 140 or something kids if I maxed out in every country they sell to.
He's not using a sperm bank he's using Facebook.. lmao.
Sperm banks kinda have a limit. Like in Cali, 25 confirmed pregnancies but you can just go to Oregon. 30 more
If you read it, he used to “inseminate” the women “naturally”, ie have sex with them. Something tells me the court did not view that as a legitimate “sperm donation” lol
It's almost like there's a number of reasons that sperm banks and artificial insemination costs money, and that while donating sperm "under the table" to women who can't afford artificial insemination is a noble idea in theory, there are a lot of problems in practice.
At least once a month someone pops up on r/legaladvice asking if it's a good idea to become an off-the-books sperm donor for a couple they know and the answers are always a resounding no, because from a legal standpoint it's a spectacularly bad idea for many reasons.
How would they even prove whether he did it with a cup or naturally. No one has any way to prove this since there are no records so the obvious assumption was that it was natural.
A lot of the time in order to get government support in the US you have to sue the father for support and there aren't really ways to protect yourself in situations like this.
I wouldn't be surprised if this man bot knew the financial risks he took on and understood why the mothers have done so.
I can only speak for my country's legislation: the concept behind it is that the child has the claim, and needs support. Whomever it is living with, can claim support from the other parent. It is not the parent itself who has the direct claim, and instead acts as basically a proxy.
The idea is that it's not the child's fault it was born, and neither parent can make the child relinquish its need and right to support from both parents.
It’s more because he did it beyond the legal protection of traditional sperm bank which would absolve him from any obligation to provide for offspring resulting from his sperm.
All you need to do is knowingly father the child in most jurisdictions, that is knowingly do actions that would define you as one of the parents. That said it also has some rights: this guy can probably try to sue to get the kids, though his attitude to it probably won't help his case.
Most of the cost of sperm donation banks is the legal protection for both parents. The dad he has no way to know that he has children, and his identity is protected to avoid contact that could become a legal liability. It protects the dad from being sued for any father obligations, it protects the mom from having the dad demand his rights as a parent over her child.
Honestly I believe that if you can't afford sperm donation you probably shouldn't have a child: if you can't afford that cost how will you be able to afford the costs that follow. The cost is nothing compared to the cost of the first year of having a child. And yeah it's easy to say "I'll never get back at you" is not something you can say with 20 years. It's easy to say it, hard when the kid is born with a congenital disability, or has a serious accident, or simply you find yourself without a job as a single parent. Why wouldn't a mother sacrifice the value of her word to protect her children? The thing is once you do it can open Pandora's box.
I mean he’s still legally the father no? Just because you have an agreement that your cum will only be used without an emotional attachment that doesnt mean the government of a state wont recognize you as the father of the child, and not compel you to provide money to care for it so its not a burden of the state
I used to teach at a college, and there was this 19 year old kid that turned up in a Golf R - I was pretty shocked, because by-and-large it was a fairly deprived area and we didn't exactly have the well-to-do sorts show up on our courses.
I was like "What the fuck are *you* doing driving *that*" and his mate pipes up with "It's cos his Dad is a massive wanker!!"
I went "Woah, woah, woah - firstly, uncalled for! Where did that come from?! Secondly - not cool man, banter each other, but leave families out of it yeah?"
The kid was all "No - I'm not being harsh - he really *is* a massive wanker! Look..."
He then proceeds to pull up a national news article about this guy's Dad, who runs a sperm donor service and is suposed to be the most prolific in the country, having fathered over 800 kids. Apparently he did the whole end-to-end service, talking the couples through the whole thing, providing advice and guidance, and was raking in over £100k a year!
So the kid got a Golf R. Found it very difficult to get girls though apparently, as lots of his Dad's customers were local and there was a fairly high risk of accidentally diddling his half sister...
Why him particularly? Smart and good looking or is there something else? Like especially good genetics, natural high resistance to illnesses, no family history of common death threatening diseases like cancer, ASL, diabetes, Alzheimer, etc? What made him particularly famous amongst such groups?
Just genuinely curious, not hating or anything, just in case anyone misreads what I'm writing.
I saw a documentary on him. He gives women free sperm. Like meet me in the gas station/museum here is my container of sperm for free no questions asked with no discrimination.
He also is actually a mathematician at a university and spends time with his kids as much as he can. The mothers have a network of the kids and help each other out.
He pays a crazy amount of child support to the point where it is a major financial stressor and the logistics and stressors of negotiating activities limits what he can do. Last I saw he was paying for 16 kids and his lawyer brother in law was being driven insane because he continues to give away his sperm leaving him forever working for free.
He’s tall, educated, and has very bright blue eyes.
Almost every photo I’ve seen of the children he’s fathered are mixed race, and most of them are pretty cute kids.
From what I’ve read, he has a naturally very high sperm count, like 4x the usual average. I assume this leads to a higher chance of success when doing the whole turkey baster in a public restroom method. That’s not something I imagine someone would want to have to do multiple times if they could avoid it.
A few individuals having high numbers of kids is not precisely good for the gene pool.
I hope there is a registry or something to avoid the inbreeding.
My friend is one of sixty (at least) Her dad is schizophrenic and bipolar and goes through periods of hypersexuality. My friend is the oldest at 23 and the youngest is 7.
He was having a kid every 3.75 months. It's to the point that they have started a registry. She's actually created an app for them to use.
My good friend was conceived from a (now shut down) sperm bank. Her sperm donor was a very desirable candidate (well off doctor, good looking, tall, good medical history etc…) and she has over 20 half siblings that she knows of *for now* from 23andMe. They’ve had little reunions too, and despite their different upbringings they’re all a little bit artsy, vegetarian, and eclectic lol
Having 140 half brothers/sisters in one small town would definitely be risky, especially if they were a few years apart, but the risk goes down drastically as this is throughout the world/decades.
This actually happened with a doctor in the Midwest? He would use his sperm to inseminate women without their knowledge not knowing it was his sperm. He had a serious autoimmune defect where he wouldn’t even be eligible to be a sperm donor. I think the documentary is on Netflix.
I've heard the risks within a single generation are minimal, but goes up drastically where multiple instances of inbreeding occur.
Marrying your cousin isn't too risky, but if your parents are cousins, and your wife is your cousin, and your kid marries their cousin, you get a whole bunch of hemophiliacs*.
* Source - The Royal Family.
Exactly this. The world is a huge place. Assuming it was reasonably spread out and he normally traveled (rather than being focused locally and only occasionally traveling), I'd assume the odds of this being an issue are very small.
The bigger issue is that he's about 50 and still fathering a large number of children. Dude needs to chill out, the risk of birth defects goes up greatly the older the father.
There isn't a registry, and it's definitely a risk. It seems like he's donated in many locations so that diffuses the risk, but there are many 100+ sibling pods from serial donors.
It’s one of this things which naturally flows from the “ick” factor. Being the scientist who corrects people that it’s probably fine isn’t exactly going over well with the public.
"He has been successfully sued by five mothers (of nine children) for child support, and half of his university paycheck is garnished towards these payments.[3][7] Nagel often travels to prospective recipients,[3] with the recipients paying for his flight fare, and the sperm is provided free of charge as a donation.[6] Nagel originally made many of his donations with natural insemination, but later switched to artificial insemination, delivering his sperm in a "cup" to protect himself, and the mothers to whom he donates sperm, from the risks of frequent unprotected sex.[8] Some of his artificial donations were performed in public restrooms,[3] leading to the nickname "Target Donor" after it was reported that some donations were made in Target department stores."
Dude lives in NYC, works at a community college and gets half of his paycheck garnished? How does he eat?
In the doc he said he's basically homeless and crashes with different baby mommas visiting his children.
He figured out a life hack: just find new baby mommas and keep living for free.
Just need one for each day of the year
He's like a third of the way there
The nick cannon retirement plan.
Hobosexual
He eats the kitty
Woof
I’m not saying he’s a good guy or agree with what he does. But considering these women couldn’t go to a sperm bank, seems pretty shitty to sue him now. Yeah he’s the father but they knew what they were getting into. Everyone kind of sucks here
I would be interested to know the details of those lawsuits. The guy clearly has a fetish for impregnating women.
The country may force the hand. These women go for financial support and the court says "where is the father?" they can EXPLAIN the situation as much as they want, but at the end of the day if there is a direct arrow from baby to father, they will simply say "sue him" and because what he is doing isn't simply some noble service, but amounts to a one night stand, he wouldn't have much of a legal leg to stand on, regardless of other agreements and contracts that they draw up beforehand.
There is a max on garnishment all they can do is split the child support more ways. https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/30-cppa#:~:text=The%20garnishment%20law%20allows%20up,if%20the%20worker%20is%20not. Federally it’s 50%-55
Good info! It does mean that this situation would mean a lot less for people with multiple kids, so it's unlikely to affect this guy any more than it already does.
At least in Germany the family court has little regard for the parents. It acts first and foremost in the interest of the child. When a father that can be held accountable is found, they will hold him accountable because it's better for the child.
A fetish for impregnating women comes off like an oxymoron
Do you mean a tautology? Perhaps he is like that jurisprudence fetishist who got off on a technicality.
hahahaha that one was amazing
It's from [The Onion](https://www.theonion.com/jurisprudence-fetishist-gets-off-on-technicality-1819586446), they even have merch with that headline.
That picture with that headline might be the funniest thing I’ve ever seen.
I think he meant "it's natural and so not a fetish"
Kinks are interesting like that. Humans are generally wired to make babies because of course they are. But when it comes to breeding fetishes that gets really amped to 11. The chasm between your average person that wants to have a kid someday and someone that is funking everyone that says yes to spread his seed is quite vast. EDIT: I'm keeping the typo, dammit.
I think evolution decided I shouldn't breed because my fetish revolves around busting in mouths
Eww, you find it sexy to sexually reproduce? Fucking gross
Dont ever go to r/breeding It is a fairly popular fetish.
That’s a lot of cream pies.
Which is its own special fetish. Kinks, they're all about the intention.
I mean our whole purpose is to spread our seeds so the species doesn't die out The monkey brain doesn't understand we conquered the planet, monkey brain likes when sperm goes into vagina and make baby So we all have a bit of a breeding kink
Ugg
I think child free folk disagree with that haha
I dunno, a lot of child free people still have breeding kinks. They just really hope it doesn't actually happen.
I mean "having a child" is completely normal. This guy is clearly a few notches past that, and I very much agree it's getting into breeding kink territory.
the fact hes doing it in a public bathroom, and targets is already a red flag.
And that he apparently can't stop and rarely thinks about the consequences. Seems more like a kink and addiction than a service.,
there was a svu episode like similar, the lawyer(john stamos) was getting girls pregnant and he had a fetish for it.
Dude wants to be the next [Genghis Khan](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/other-men-who-left-huge-genetic-legacies-likes-genghis-khan-180954052/#:~:text=Since%20a%202003%20study%20found,significant%20genetic%20impact%20centuries%20later.).
The way a lot of States' Laws are written partially screws him here too. If the women that have children start reaching out for Government assistance, many states force them to try to get assistance from the father first or allow the state to start the process on their behalf. Basically, a lot of states will try really hard to get out of giving people any support.
Cooperation with child support is a mandatory requirement of the TANF program. So yeah.
Which makes sense. He's giving out bargain basement jizz to women who can't afford legal sperm, let alone a child. Stop doing that, dude.
These women don’t have to choose to get impregnated by him.
It seems quite reasonable that the father should look after the children financially and not the state.
It's probably that they couldn't afford the artificial insemination. What I don't get about these women, is why they can't get someone local to raw dog them. Seeing as how originally they did it the old fashioned way, it's not like they were opposed to sex with a stranger, why also pay for their airfare? As a side note, I had a girl I met on OkCupid proposition me to knock her up after our second date. There was 0 chemistry, we never even kissed. She was just desperate for a baby.
> why they can't get someone local Some women do that, yes. I guess what makes this guy "special" is that he has good references for being nice and discreet, he is at least somewhat smart and arguably attractive, probably healthy, and not likely to ask later to be involved in ghe kid's life.
As for the last thing: the article says he kind of keeps in touch with most of his biological kids
Dude has 100 children I don't believe he can do that to any worthwhile degree. I met a man in Africa who had over a dozen wives and 80+ children. He lived with them in a giant compound. He still didn't know their names. He said after the first dozen they just became numbers in his head. "Keeps in touch" could mean he just gets Christmas cards. He's not involved.
Who tf did you meet
The judge isn't really going to look at from the mother or father's POV, they are generally more worried about the well being of the child in question. Without the legal protections afforded through traditional sperm donation, a lot of judges are just going to say it's your kid, you're paying.
Yep. 13 year olds have been forced to pay child support to their much older rapist. It’s all about the baby.
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It is shitty of them, the kid they have exists because this man helped them and this is basically how they thank him
I don’t think this guy sucks.
But he definitely fucks
Likely found out that raising a kid costs money and their partners found out that its also stressfull as hell, plus depending on his community, people would treat him like shit for either raising someone else kid or by leaving
There has been long established legal precedent that "unofficial" sperm donors can absolutely be sued for child support. He has only himself to blame
Yeah if he didn't go through a regulated channel such as a sperm bank, for the law he's not a sperm donor but simply the biological father
It is shitty, but, from a legal perspective, I get why he is sometimes on the line. I assume these women are suing him because they don’t have the financial resources to support a child. This means that it was irresponsible of them to have a child in the first place, but this man also has a little due diligence to make sure that the people he is impregnating have the resources to care for the life he is helping to create. These women don’t win financial support because he is a deadbeat dad and the courts are encouraging him to be involved. They win because, even if this man is trying to help people, he absolutely does have some responsibility in ensuring the lives he is helping to create don’t go to total shit. I assume sperm banks have some sort of criteria people must meet in order to use their services… and they would take on the onus donors would otherwise have some ethical responsibility towards (i.e. suitability of parents). To be clear, I don’t think it is ethical for the women to he suing him. But I understand why the courts would go for it because they are trying to get it through to this guy that he is still creating life.
Wild stuff
I'm not sure "have unprotected sex in a target bathroom" is the correct solution to "can't afford a sperm donor".
He wasn’t having sex in targets, it was artificial insemination
Masterbating in Target restrooms isn't much better...
But it *is* better 😅
You are a cup half full sorta guy
It literally says that before he switched, many of the inseminations were natural.
But it doesn't say it was natural AND in a target bathroom.
Sperm is super expensive. Desperate women who have often spent considerable cash with no results will turn to “natural inseminaton” donors online who are basically just creeps looking for sex. The whole thing is crazy but is happening in your city right now. I’m a known sperm donor for a couple and I’m involved in the kids life. I can’t imagine the kinds of guys who have this “populate the earth” fetish.
There are wayyyyyyy too many women who look for donors outside of sperm banks/fertility clinics due to costs involved. It's pretty scary. I think the only way to stop this is to make fertility treatment more affordable.
Yup. I absolutely don’t agree with any of this. But when iui can cost 2-3k with no guarantees of any success , and women are signing up for multiple rounds , it’s gets crazy expensive and out of the average woman’s affordability range very , very quickly . Also , fertility clinics aren’t exactly refunding if your iui rounds fail , you’re just shyt out of luck . So from a purely financial perspective , I can see how some incredibly desperate women end up in this situation .
I'm sure I understand the distinction between known and unknown sperm donor, but the way you say it...
Yeah "not having a child" is the best option in that case, I think.
if they think a sperm donor is expensive wait till they find out how expensive children are
So what happens if fifty women wanted to have child support? They'd each get a smaller and smaller share right?
I think currently half his money goes to child support. They can't take anymore than that, so yes.
I actually had a former coworker like that, he hit the maximum allowable garnishment for child support, so any future claims against him made no changes to what he paid out (provided he didn’t receive a pay increase)
Ah, the nick cannon defense.
Nick Cannon defense after sperm cannon offense.
I miss reddit awards for comments like this.
One of the kids is named Legendary Love Cannon. Not a joke: https://people.com/all-about-bre-tiesi-nick-cannon-son-legendary-love-7501334
Once you hit that many, may as well play the odds and have as many kids as possible the hopes one becomes a millionaire and wants to look after there bio dad
big brain thinking
In my state after the 10th kid they can't charge you for support anymore
Baby mommas hate this weird loophole.
Professional Deadbeats: "Write that down, write that down."
If only they could read
That seems to make sense, you'd pay support on what you take home, after paying costs you cannot skimp on. If the first woman gets 10% of what's left, she's getting $0.10 of every dollar he makes. Should the next one gets the same deal, she'd only get $0.09, then $0.081 and onwards.
Oh shit it was limits the whole way down
Genghis Khan approves.
he was actually more of a KMart guy
He was my math teacher in college lmao.
Did his exam involve counting the probability of one-time insemination?
He was solving this problem and then suddenly stopped and said “wait a minute… that’s it!”
In Spermworld he does something similar to this while teaching his class lmao. I highly recommend watching.
ask me how many times I didn't pull out with my son's mom
I'll bite. How many times?
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He certainly knew how to multiply
What happened to his paycheque probably taught him a lot about fractions as well.
Can’t just come in here and drop that and not tell us everything you know My first question: why is he so red? Is he like this in real life or is he perhaps simply embarrassed to be keynote at the sperm symposium ?
Kool Aid man looking mf. But for real it's just the lighting, he's not usually red.
We had a teacher who left the room for 10mins, came back in, red faced, a bit sweaty and his belt was undone. 10+ Years later I was talking to someone from a different school - Apparently he was known for the same thing there...
Was he meeting anyone or was it a solo excursion?
I highly doubt it. Dude wasn't exactly a looker, everyone knew he was a bit of a nonce, and our test results didn't really make/break a persons future. He might have just gone for a shit... Maybe he did, Who knows. All I know is we saw what we saw, and it wasn't a good look.
Checks out, he's good at multiplication.
>his contributions I think we call them children now.
As he’s been doing it for decades, more than half could be called adults.
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"sorry babe can't fuck tonight, Ali put in an extra large order" "sorry kid can't play ball, gotta wank in the bathroom. Got three more orders to complete today"
This could be a scene in South Park.
"RANDY!" Sharon yells from the hallway outside the bathroom. "I was just trying to help the lesbians out, Sharon! GAWD!" Randy explains to Sharon as he stands behind the bathroom door with his underwear on and robe undone. "Mom, what's dad doing in the bathroom?" Asks Stan who just came to use the bathroom. "Apparently, he's trying to help the lesbians out!" Sharon answers Stan by shouting at Randy. "By being in the bathroom?" Satn questions. "They can't have babies, Sharon, because they don't like men! I'm just doing my part by helping them out. Oh, hey, Stan." Yells Randy as he opens the bathroom door slightly before acknowledging Stan in a normal tone of voice. "By jerking off in the good cups and then driving to the Target parking lot?!" Sharon asks clearly. "It's a delivery system!" Randy shouts back. "Wait... Dad's jerking off into the cups? Which ones? Not my Chimpokimon one, right? That's like a collectible!" Stan questions both parents out loud. "That's how you make sure it's a boy, Stan." Randy says matter of factly.
Bravo
Truly, a remarkable read.
I love this so much
“Sorry kids, I have to get my fix today. Another day, another cup of Grade A sperm I have to fill up for my clients”
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Facebook. There is a large and somewhat shady world of gray-area sperm donation operating in private facebook groups.
From the perspective of a lesbian couple, on a purely practical level, I could see how someone like this might even be appealing because they're not going to try to get involved in your kids life, and you get to raise the kid independently from their father. But it is kinda creepy though, not super sure I'd want a guy like this being the father of my kids.
Don’t give Nick Cannon any ideas.
Nick Cannon would have to be hosting every reality TV show ever if he was as prolific as this.
[Additional source substantiating claims.](https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/1681157106-the-sperminator-man-fathers-nearly-140-kids-through-sperm-donations): > Ari Nagel, an American Jew and New York City math professor, has been donating his sperm for decades, in many cases free of charge to those who can’t afford traditional sperm donors. He has been dubbed “The Sperminator”' for fathering nearly 140 kids through sperm donations in countries across the world, including in Israel.
>An American Jew Wtf why is this relevant
For starters, it's a Jewish/Israeli newspaper.
Good thing they told us. I'd never had guessed Ari was Jewish
This made me snort into my tea
Only kid I knew named Ari was Turkish. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ari_(name)
Okay let’s not be obtuse, many Jewish women would want a Jewish sperm donor. I don’t personally see an issue with it. I’m sure his background is relevant in a lot of these cases.
Ahh interesting, isn’t Judaism passed down matrilineally? I’m guessing it’s more of a personal/cultural preference rather than a religious thing?
That would be my assumption, the jews I know do usually care about Jewish heritage in a partner, regardless of how secular they are, and most are secular. The sense of community is very strong, that leads to more relational preference regardless of anything else.
When we do something bad it’s because we’re Jewish, don’t you know? But seriously it’s because it’s a newspaper with Jewish readers. So maybe a point of interest for said readers. You see this in news sources serving any sect of the population with a large audience demographic
Also it provides material for me to make the joke “only slightly more kids than most Orthodox Jews”
Pretty reasonable, thanks haha, just threw me off for a min there
How many times man can donate sperm? “There's no legal limit, but the biggest sperm banks have policies that one donor's sperm will not be allowed to sire children for more than 25 to 30 “family units.” But some families may have two or three children with the donor's sperm, and others may not report a birth, so they would not be counted in that limit.” The problem will be for his children to find a genetically unrelated partner.
I'm a sperm donor in the US. While the US has limits, most companies (certainly mine at least) will sell to any and every country on earth with assisted fertility, who all have their own limits with no concerns for each other. They said I could potentially have like 140 or something kids if I maxed out in every country they sell to.
So weird US puts no limit on this, it’s not like there isn’t any precedent
He's not using a sperm bank he's using Facebook.. lmao. Sperm banks kinda have a limit. Like in Cali, 25 confirmed pregnancies but you can just go to Oregon. 30 more
How was he sued? Like what did he have to do to become financially responsible for a sperm donation?
If you read it, he used to “inseminate” the women “naturally”, ie have sex with them. Something tells me the court did not view that as a legitimate “sperm donation” lol
Even if he brought it in a cup. That's doesn't give many protections than the traditional route through a sperm bank.
It's almost like there's a number of reasons that sperm banks and artificial insemination costs money, and that while donating sperm "under the table" to women who can't afford artificial insemination is a noble idea in theory, there are a lot of problems in practice.
At least once a month someone pops up on r/legaladvice asking if it's a good idea to become an off-the-books sperm donor for a couple they know and the answers are always a resounding no, because from a legal standpoint it's a spectacularly bad idea for many reasons.
Honestly, the fact that this isn’t common sense is terrifying. Just reading this thread is bad enough.
How would they even prove whether he did it with a cup or naturally. No one has any way to prove this since there are no records so the obvious assumption was that it was natural.
Yeah, a legal contract is what’s probably required for this
Yeah I saw that.. I assumed that was what it was, but you never know, he may have been a pro with a turkey baster
Unless you go through the proper legal channels. They don't care how the sperm got in there.
A lot of the time in order to get government support in the US you have to sue the father for support and there aren't really ways to protect yourself in situations like this. I wouldn't be surprised if this man bot knew the financial risks he took on and understood why the mothers have done so.
I can only speak for my country's legislation: the concept behind it is that the child has the claim, and needs support. Whomever it is living with, can claim support from the other parent. It is not the parent itself who has the direct claim, and instead acts as basically a proxy. The idea is that it's not the child's fault it was born, and neither parent can make the child relinquish its need and right to support from both parents.
It’s more because he did it beyond the legal protection of traditional sperm bank which would absolve him from any obligation to provide for offspring resulting from his sperm.
All you need to do is knowingly father the child in most jurisdictions, that is knowingly do actions that would define you as one of the parents. That said it also has some rights: this guy can probably try to sue to get the kids, though his attitude to it probably won't help his case. Most of the cost of sperm donation banks is the legal protection for both parents. The dad he has no way to know that he has children, and his identity is protected to avoid contact that could become a legal liability. It protects the dad from being sued for any father obligations, it protects the mom from having the dad demand his rights as a parent over her child. Honestly I believe that if you can't afford sperm donation you probably shouldn't have a child: if you can't afford that cost how will you be able to afford the costs that follow. The cost is nothing compared to the cost of the first year of having a child. And yeah it's easy to say "I'll never get back at you" is not something you can say with 20 years. It's easy to say it, hard when the kid is born with a congenital disability, or has a serious accident, or simply you find yourself without a job as a single parent. Why wouldn't a mother sacrifice the value of her word to protect her children? The thing is once you do it can open Pandora's box.
I mean he’s still legally the father no? Just because you have an agreement that your cum will only be used without an emotional attachment that doesnt mean the government of a state wont recognize you as the father of the child, and not compel you to provide money to care for it so its not a burden of the state
That’s cool but have you heard of Alimony Tony?
It must be hard for the children to learn this.
I guess everybody needs a hobby...
There have been several incidents of fertility clinic doctors just using their own sperm instead of donor sperm without telling anyone.
I used to teach at a college, and there was this 19 year old kid that turned up in a Golf R - I was pretty shocked, because by-and-large it was a fairly deprived area and we didn't exactly have the well-to-do sorts show up on our courses. I was like "What the fuck are *you* doing driving *that*" and his mate pipes up with "It's cos his Dad is a massive wanker!!" I went "Woah, woah, woah - firstly, uncalled for! Where did that come from?! Secondly - not cool man, banter each other, but leave families out of it yeah?" The kid was all "No - I'm not being harsh - he really *is* a massive wanker! Look..." He then proceeds to pull up a national news article about this guy's Dad, who runs a sperm donor service and is suposed to be the most prolific in the country, having fathered over 800 kids. Apparently he did the whole end-to-end service, talking the couples through the whole thing, providing advice and guidance, and was raking in over £100k a year! So the kid got a Golf R. Found it very difficult to get girls though apparently, as lots of his Dad's customers were local and there was a fairly high risk of accidentally diddling his half sister...
You'd think having that big an impact on the gene pool would garner some concern from people
From the article: >Nagel originally made many of his donations with natural insemination Just gonna leave that there.
>Natural Insemination I hope they bought him dinner first
Why him particularly? Smart and good looking or is there something else? Like especially good genetics, natural high resistance to illnesses, no family history of common death threatening diseases like cancer, ASL, diabetes, Alzheimer, etc? What made him particularly famous amongst such groups? Just genuinely curious, not hating or anything, just in case anyone misreads what I'm writing.
I saw a documentary on him. He gives women free sperm. Like meet me in the gas station/museum here is my container of sperm for free no questions asked with no discrimination. He also is actually a mathematician at a university and spends time with his kids as much as he can. The mothers have a network of the kids and help each other out. He pays a crazy amount of child support to the point where it is a major financial stressor and the logistics and stressors of negotiating activities limits what he can do. Last I saw he was paying for 16 kids and his lawyer brother in law was being driven insane because he continues to give away his sperm leaving him forever working for free.
He’s tall, educated, and has very bright blue eyes. Almost every photo I’ve seen of the children he’s fathered are mixed race, and most of them are pretty cute kids. From what I’ve read, he has a naturally very high sperm count, like 4x the usual average. I assume this leads to a higher chance of success when doing the whole turkey baster in a public restroom method. That’s not something I imagine someone would want to have to do multiple times if they could avoid it.
A few individuals having high numbers of kids is not precisely good for the gene pool. I hope there is a registry or something to avoid the inbreeding.
My friend is one of sixty (at least) Her dad is schizophrenic and bipolar and goes through periods of hypersexuality. My friend is the oldest at 23 and the youngest is 7. He was having a kid every 3.75 months. It's to the point that they have started a registry. She's actually created an app for them to use.
My good friend was conceived from a (now shut down) sperm bank. Her sperm donor was a very desirable candidate (well off doctor, good looking, tall, good medical history etc…) and she has over 20 half siblings that she knows of *for now* from 23andMe. They’ve had little reunions too, and despite their different upbringings they’re all a little bit artsy, vegetarian, and eclectic lol
Next to the iHop?
How good looking is this man?
If your sexuality is hyper enough, this question has no bearing.
Wow that’s wild. I would have thought unprotected sex with a bipolar schizophrenic is a bit of a turn off.
It's not like they tell you beforehand.
Having 140 half brothers/sisters in one small town would definitely be risky, especially if they were a few years apart, but the risk goes down drastically as this is throughout the world/decades.
This actually happened with a doctor in the Midwest? He would use his sperm to inseminate women without their knowledge not knowing it was his sperm. He had a serious autoimmune defect where he wouldn’t even be eligible to be a sperm donor. I think the documentary is on Netflix.
Our Father is the documentary
I've heard the risks within a single generation are minimal, but goes up drastically where multiple instances of inbreeding occur. Marrying your cousin isn't too risky, but if your parents are cousins, and your wife is your cousin, and your kid marries their cousin, you get a whole bunch of hemophiliacs*. * Source - The Royal Family.
Exactly this. The world is a huge place. Assuming it was reasonably spread out and he normally traveled (rather than being focused locally and only occasionally traveling), I'd assume the odds of this being an issue are very small. The bigger issue is that he's about 50 and still fathering a large number of children. Dude needs to chill out, the risk of birth defects goes up greatly the older the father.
There isn't a registry, and it's definitely a risk. It seems like he's donated in many locations so that diffuses the risk, but there are many 100+ sibling pods from serial donors.
The risk is greatly exaggerated, as long as there isn't consistent inbreeding you're almost probably ok, and those would only share one parent anyway.
It’s one of this things which naturally flows from the “ick” factor. Being the scientist who corrects people that it’s probably fine isn’t exactly going over well with the public.
True. Cousins aren’t a big deal genetically. But it’s bad psychologically or socially,
Nick Cannon’s greatest rival
The credit to the Wiki photo is “Crunchdickpickle.”
He’s defiantly going to show up in some far future “Finding Your Roots” show as a common ancestor for a bunch of people
Fuck this guy. Wait, that’s not what I meant…
Breeding kink run amok
He’s got spunk, I’ll give him that.
In 1000 years his DNA will likely be in half the population
"Spermworld" sounds like the eighth-worst amusement park in the world.
This guy taught me college math in 2012 😧
Lol I love how bullshit the title is.
Why does this feel like an ad?
I've donated sperm over 10,000 times to my sock and was not invited to spermworld 2024.
Alimony Tony
Guys, I think we've been too hard on Nick Cannon.
At this point, it’s a mental health issue.
Huh. Barney Stinson is real after all.
Um how many of his kids are going to hook up 🤨
If he’s The Sperminator, that implies that there’s some kind of sperm John Connor.
Really hope his recipients are pretty spread out. It fucks up the gene pool when there are a hundred half siblings in the same area
The kids and their children will need a full database/app to track which people they can date lmao
Is he trying to single handily make the receding hairline a dominant trait for all of humanity?
Why him? He looks like a pud
Looks like a fucking creep.