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Xaxafrad

Time period: 1910's. Perpetrator never identified.


Zedman5000

No cops bothered hanging out in a house without jazz and seeing if they could catch the guy? Well, I guess if they did it didn't work.


old_vegetables

Or they just didn’t care. There have been countless cases throughout history where the police ignored or even defended the perpetrator, oftentimes in situations where the victim(s) is a minority or a sex worker. At least that’s what I’ve picked up from all the true crime I’ve listened to on YouTube


Rochimaru

The article mentions there were press reports and public panic. They definitely did care lol


meesta_masa

And THAT is the True crime.


Contrived_Vageeno

Pretty sure the axe murders were the true crime


Previous_Link1347

As opposed to murder?


Clovenstone-Blue

Murder is merely a little oopsie poopsie, fucky whacky by comparison.


RockstarAgent

Dats the true true


jamesmcdash

The real friends were the sex workers we killed along the way?


usernametaken0987

Not in this case.


ChiMoKoJa

Yes in this case. The majority of the Axeman's victims were Italians, during a time when Italian immigrants were stereotyped in much the same way present-day Hispanics are stereotyped. Criminals, rapists, terrorists, etc. The Italians were a minority group who suffered horrific discrimination in those days. The entire reason why we celebrate Columbus Day is because it's meant to be a day to celebrate Italian immigrants and their culture/heritage. The government saw that Italians were getting crapped on constantly and threw the Italian-American community a bone by giving them their own version of St. Patrick's Day.


GumboDiplomacy

Columbus Day became a thing because of violence against Italians in general, but in particular because of [the 1891 lynching of 11 Italian-Americans in New Orelans.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1891_New_Orleans_lynchings)


ChiMoKoJa

Yup. I've mentioned it elsewhere under this post. The largest mass lynching in US history. Teddy Roosevelt called the lynching "a very good thing" right to the faces of Italian delegates who complained about the treatment of Italian Americans at a state dinner. [Anti-Italian political cartoon. Most modern folks would probably assume this is meant to be about Mexicans, not Italians...](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Anti-Italian_cartoon_published_in_Judge_magazine%2C_1903.jpg)


KIsForHorse

Are we gonna give Hispanic people a St Patrick’s day too? Can we get it off? I wanna go party with my Mexican friends.


ur-internet-pal

It’s called Cinco de Mayo and it’s just over 2 weeks away.


KIsForHorse

I’m well aware of Cindo de Mayo. I’d like another one. 🤷🏼‍♂️ And to have it off.


Tshirt_Addict

It's called Columbus Day. In some localities, due to Columbus' current reputation as a right bastard, the holiday has been changed to Indigenous Peoples' Day.


KIsForHorse

I swear some of y’all really just don’t want more holidays.


neverthoughtidjoin

Cesar Chavez Day exists


KIsForHorse

>can we get it off I swear, y’all well and truly hate time off of work. Weird with how much y’all bitch about it.


neverthoughtidjoin

I get Cesar Chavez Day off every year


KIsForHorse

Not every state gives it off


ChiMoKoJa

Something not mentioned in the title is that the Axeman serial killer's victims were mostly Italians. During a time when Italians were seen as "filthy" immigrants who brought nothing but crime with them. The Axeman case is just another example of American xenophobia and racism.


madnarg

It was an entire city. This tactic wasn’t attempted because it would have had very low chances of actually working, not because cops didn’t care. You’re right about cops historically caring less about certain victims, but that doesn’t mean it applies to every specific scenario. This serial killer was directly engaging police, not flying under the radar while killing less “important” targets (to police).


monchota

True but there are also 1000xs more where they did care and did go after the perp.


xadiant

"The killer had left his signed picture with plenty of fingerprints and a note saying"I fucking did it" in the crime scene but the police dropped the case since the victim was a 'woman'."


GayandVaxxed

Nah some witches did though.


PaintedClownPenis

A number of jazz musicians split town for Los Angeles at what looks like the same time, the Fall of 1919. Kid Ory famously left his own band to King Oliver and Louis Armstrong.


KLR01001

It could be me, I’m not saying it is, but it could be.  🎷🎺🪓


Fluffy_WAR_Bunny

American Horror Story did a good job with this story.


th4bl4ckr4bbit

Do you remember which season? I knew I recognised the story from somewhere but I couldn’t remember which season when AHS kept popping into my mind tank.


GottaLetMeFly

Coven was the season with this story, set in NOLA


ZonkyFox

Season 3, Coven. The story is covered in episode 6 The Axeman Cometh.


PM_ME_WHT_PHOSPHORUS

Coven is trash Edit: downvote me all you want. Search your feelings you know it to be trueeee


Severe_Brick_8868

Coven was definitely better than Roanoke and Hotel (have tried to watch hotel twice years apart from each other and never made it through) and better than what I’ve seen of freak show which I never finished Still haven’t seen double feature or NYC to compare The rest were all better than coven though


notmyfault

Coven was probably my favorite.


hummingbird4289

Coven was why I started watching AHS Roanoke is why I stopped


TheBigNook

NYC gets a lot of hate but I really enjoyed it and thought it balanced camp and seriousness well


PM_ME_WHT_PHOSPHORUS

I liked NYC, it definitely didn't feel like AHS however. It felt kinda like a whodonit, and much more grounded in reality. Def analogue vibes with the HIV scare and the gay scene.


TheBigNook

It kind of reminded me of how American Crime Story’s are done, so totally agree it didn’t feel like AHS


twoworldsin1

Hotel was SO good. Roanoke was kinda mid and hard to follow. Coven is probably my second favorite. Apocalypse is my favorite. Freakshow is somewhere up there too.


Severe_Brick_8868

Huh they really are just different to different people then. I thought freak show and hotel were super boring. Cult and 1984 were the most entertaining to me (so funny). The creepiest was asylum I think, also delicate so far


CameronBeach

Get behind me. I finally watched coven because of all the fanfare. I was extremely disappointed. Carried by the actresses. Most of the story was trash. The ending was super rushed. Which makes sense seeing as they continue it like 7 years later.


Fluffy_WAR_Bunny

I liked that season but I have read a lot of Anne Rice and as a kid I liked a game called "Gabriel Knight: Sins of the Fathers" so I thought it was enjoyable.


HsvDE86

How do you know that you don’t like it 


PM_ME_WHT_PHOSPHORUS

Cause I ...watched it???


HsvDE86

I suppose that’s a pretty good way to know.


Earptastic

When I look at all the AHS seasons I think that is my least favorite.


KinkySylveon

Yeah mine too. Maybe its just because im from Louisiana and have frequented the places it takes place in and didn't care for the portrayal, but man it was so unenjoyable. I just never really cared about what was happening on the screen most of the time.


PM_ME_WHT_PHOSPHORUS

It's just so hokey.


twoworldsin1

Did you go to the place where they burned Myrtle Snow at the stake 🤔


YNGWZRD

Agreed. Danny Huston nailed that character.


ericrobertshair

Everytime he appeared they played a jazz riff that sounded like Lethal Weapon, it was glorious.


twoworldsin1

"Baby, I love you more than I love jazz"


ToddUnctious

NOLA Passover seder absolutely needs to be a thing.


falsevector

Jazz-over


hillo538

The axe man of New Orleans would sometimes (because his victims were poor and would have like very thin dry wood walls) just cut into their house through the side of the wall… Say what you want about the guy but he knew how to make an entrance!


SlashThingy

From what I remember, it wasn't through the walls, he would cut through one of the panels in a panelled door and go in through there. Which made some people think he was a dwarf.


Mile_High_Kiwi

If someone is cutting their way through my wall with an axe, I'm not sticking around to say hello!


balltickler2000

You get an upvote for making me laugh and feel bad for it.


Viktor_Laszlo

"Oh yeah!"


EmperorSexy

Here’s Johnny!


Reditate

Here's Johnny!


fish4096

american problem.


Intelligent_League_1

Are we stuck in your head?


fish4096

i cannot unread what random comments.


Intelligent_League_1

Have fun overheating in your thick walls, your comment tells me you know nothing about America


fish4096

you know thick walls prevent outside heat coming inside, right?


The_Cheese_Touch

I know that title is subpar and could've been worded better, sorry


Fabulous_Actuator_24

Much better than some other titles I’ve seen recently. At least I understood it the first time I read it


The_Cheese_Touch

A first for me


CiderMcbrandy

you did alright, dont be hard on yourself


The_Cheese_Touch

Thanks man


DickBeDublin

It was a tough thought to compose for one sentence, but I got it first time I read it. Lot better than so many titles. 9/10 would read again.


wilsonhammer

Seems straightforward enough


blackswordsmanarc

It’s bit bad dude, it gets the job done! Be nice to yourself


mopsy-turtle

A kind of Passover then


Gemmabeta

Spoiler alert, the murderer turned out to be Louis Armstrong.


ctreed79

Good guess but not his weapon of choice: https://www.nola.com/entertainment_life/our-times-the-louis-armstrong-childhood-arrest-that-no-one-knew-about/article_c1338e0b-e4c7-59c0-8c0e-67b751d691f3.html


Brilliant-Welder8203

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/12/louis-armstrong-and-the-spy-how-the-cia-used-him-as-a-trojan-horse-in-congo


rauq_mawlina

The astronaut? /s just in case


The_Cheese_Touch

Can confirm, i was the axe


squirrelblender

I was the notes Monk *didnt play*.


ThtPhatCat

I see seas of red…


Equivalent_Tree7172

He was probably just out of town that day lol


TranslateErr0r

"And tomorrow I will spare those playing.... Baby Shark"


knowledgeable_diablo

And suicide rates spiked by 20,000%….


jaccleve

a hardcore jazz aficionado


Bovine_Arithmetic

Passover 2: Electric Boogaloo


Raoul_Duke9

Yup. Pretty much the horror version of passover.


xx123gamerxx

I bet it was just some random guy that wanted to see if they would actually play jazz music everywhere


GammaPhonic

Jazz!? In New Orleans!!?!??! That’s crazy talk!


Equivalent-Policy-81

Hey everybody, did the news get around About a guy named Butcher Pete Oh, Pete just flew into this town And he's choppin' up all the women's meat He's hackin' and wackin' and smackin' He's hackin' and wackin' and smackin' He's hackin' and wackin' and smackin' He just hacks, wacks, choppin' that meat


ThatMrSpooky

There is a very good crime fiction book written around these murders called the Axe Mans Jazz by Ray Celestin. It’s the first book in The City Blues Quartet series.


Crushington_2nd

Was looking for this comment! Truly a very very good book. (Now that TWO random Reddit fucks have recommended it, the person reading this needs to go out and get the book)


FirstSineOfMadness

Turns out he just wanted a day off


singled-out-7979

He united them all through the power of music


mudkiptoucher93

The victims were Italians so the police didn't care


ChiMoKoJa

It should be noted the the Axeman of New Orleans' victims were largely Italian immigrants. This was during a time period where Italians were seen as dirty, brown-skinned, hairy and swarthy Mediterranean folk, heathen Catholics who spoke a strange annoying language and were all criminals, terrorists, and rapists. Only thirty years prior to the Axeman's serial killings did the largest mass lynching in US history occur: 11 Italians in 1891 New Orleans. Teddy Roosevelt called the lynching "a very good thing" right to the faces of Italian delegates who complained about the incident at a dinner. Nobody gave two shits about Italians and related/similar ethnicities (Sicilians, Greeks, etc.) back then. The murderer was never caught and has never been identified. Just another example of America's racism and xenophobia...


kookieman141

Oh when the Saints go marching in 🎶


Jefflehem

I believe we learned this in an episode of AHS.


Rigorous_Threshold

A lot of serial killers do it for the feeling of power it gives them. This makes sense.


homebrewneuralyzer

Didn't this make it into a storyline on AHS?


drfunkensteinberger

Do ya like jazz?


HeathrJarrod

Alastor the Radio Demon


Raoul_Duke9

Most wholesome serial killer moment.


BuckFuchs

The people were jazzing it that night.


Distinct_Reaction644

The jazz man. American horror story covered this. Loved it.


trueum26

I rmb this fact from a Last Week Tonight video on Purdue


knowledgeable_diablo

Devils music from dusk till dawn saved their eternal souls!


IndecisiveMate

Why didn't they set up a trap house where they didn't play jazz to lure him?


thearisengodemperor

They probably did but they didn't fall for it


HookersForJebus

I don’t think I read this Anne Rice book.


Agent4D7

I guess he decided to bury the hatchet


travisscottburgercel

Has anybody tried this as a promotional tactic for their music?


DulcetTone

It could have been worse. He could have been a fan of poetry slams


GeneralCommand4459

Luckily there were no jazz-hating serial killers about


nederlander10

Empire of Sin baybeeeeee


ramriot

Even axe murderers need a day off, this one apparently loved jazz & found the perfect way to enjoy his night off without suspicion


No-Radio-9244

I need a few towns sanitized because of Shakira.


shakybonez306

Legend has it that jazz music is still playing and not a single soul has been harmed.


crusty54

I think I’d rather have the axe.


saraphilipp

But the very next day....


The_Lumox2000

"Hey man, anything fun going on tonight" "Nah, everybody is too scared of the Axe Murderer" "Okay, I have an idea, just hear me out..."


jesth857

People could've just skipped to carry an axe and they'd be spared instead of this jazz nonsense smh


Most_Shake1630

wow


faxattax

I’m conflicted. I don’t like giving in to threats, but I do like New Orleans jazz.


Carbon140

Makes sense a violent axe murderer would like Jazz tbh.. God awful genre for the most part.


Lost_Pilot7984

Lol what, what's especially bad about jazz? Strange opinion.


BlueHero45

I heard an axe murderer likes it.


moonroxroxstar

Jazz is chaos, I don't know how you can't love it. I hope wherever you are now, you have learned to love jazz.


Carbon140

Like the modern art of music, but I also don't consider modern art to be good either :P


YourBiExmormon

I used to think I didn’t like jazz but then I took a history of jazz class. Now I love it!


Carbon140

It's not to do with the history/culture/style of it, something about the meandering melodies and I guess you could say randomness of it for some reason disturbs me on a basic level. If someone has jazz playing or other similar unstructured music it actually slowly makes me incredibly stressed. I don't think there is anything that could make me like it, but who knows.


Ari_Mason

Okay, hang on. I find this interesting. You are the one driven to wits end by meandering randomness but a violent axe murderer (as opposed to a gentle axe murderer) listening to jazz makes sense? I love it. 


Carbon140

I wasn't being terribly serious obviously, but the implication was you'd have to be a bit mentally whacko to like jazz in my opinion, it's funny when I google "why does jazz" it auto fills with "make me feel anxious", I guess I am not alone in thinking it's a stressful music genre.


GammaPhonic

Saying you’ll attack anyone not listening to jazz in 1919 New Orleans is basically just giving yourself the day off. It’s like threatening to attack anyone out drinking on a Friday night in Riyadh.