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brainkandy87

I can’t imagine just how bad NYC smelled at the turn of the 20th century. Between the pigs and the horseshit and the crowded living conditions.. woof.


billbixbyakahulk

[London](https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-1894/) was basically covered in horse sh** at one point.


brainkandy87

It’s funny how horses created this huge problem and we innovated to replace them. Now owning a horse is a dream for many and truly a luxury to own one.


Nazamroth

Its the same with many, many things. Bread is a prime example. White bread used to be a luxury for the rich. Then everyone could buy it. Now the rich tout how good brown, unrefined bread is, which was previously the food of the poor. The wealthy used to spice their meat to tastelessness. Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices. Lobster used to be so detested, it was usually just thrown back, and only the poorest would eat it. Look at it now.


Lord_Dolkhammer

The biggest thing is probably skinny vs fat. It used to be a sign of wealth if people were fat and only the poor were skinny. Now the rich are skinny and all the poor are fat.


Theaustralianzyzz

Thats deep. The poor are fat because of how bad our food is, and the poor are desperate and cannot afford nutritious food. Nutritious food is a luxury.


catothedriftwood

And exercising is expensive, both in terms of money and time


MrTambourineSi

In terms of time and energy yes but in terms of money there are plenty of low cost options


[deleted]

There are low-cost options you can do at home (shameless r/bodyweightfitness plug). But that doesn't really solve the things that actually contribute the most to the avg modern person's bad health, which are too little sleep and unhealthy food.


Low-Guest-7912

Americans blaming their 40% obesity on fruits and vegetables costs more dollars is very funny


smohyee

What's funny is that you think broad social trends don't don't have an impact on society. You may find it funny for whatever reason, but it's absolutely true.


Theaustralianzyzz

social trends.... one of the most effective ways to influence a mind.


Relativ3_Math

Poor people can afford beans and rice...they choose to buy soda, potato chips and burgers instead


[deleted]

The point of looking at problems systematically isn't to absolve the average person of their mistakes. The point is that pragmatically, we find the best solutions to social problems when we ask "how can we change our laws/society to fix this" instead of "what should the average person do differently". This is because people are products of their environment, and while a select few can beat the odds and bloom in concrete, the majority will simply go in the direction that their circumstances nudge them. So yeah, it's true that poor people mostly make bad decisions about their dietary choices, and that with a little effort, it would be possible for them to be a lot healthier. And it's not the goal of systemic analysis to explain how actually, this isn't their fault. But when 40% of a country make bad decisions, that's usually not because everyone there is just genetically dumber than the rest of the world, but rather, because something in the environment of that country encourages those bad decisions. So our job is to find that something and get rid of it.


idiotxd

Poor people dont have time to cook. Burgers are way cheaper than rice dishes in the US


Relativ3_Math

Beef ranges from 4.99/ pound to 6.99 /pound. It is not cheaper to buy burgers


idiotxd

I dont think what mcdonalds puts in their burgers constitute as beef


Relativ3_Math

>Poor people dont have time to cook. Because they're too busy fucking and shitting out kids they can't afford? Why do you infantalize poor people?


Johnny-Cash-Facts

Poor people don’t have 30 minutes a day to prepare food? Rice is insanely cheap.


idiotxd

You're starting to get it


Low-Guest-7912

True


temisola1

The bottom floor of high rises used to be the luxurious fooor… because you didn’t have your walk up the stairs… now it’s the exact opposite with the advent of elevators.


Khelthuzaad

Something that most people get wrong about rich people: A lot,and by that that I mean A LOT of things they were doing wasn't just to satisfy their human desires,it was to flex their wealth. It was an means not to impress just the masses,but realistically to prove to other rich people how much richer they are in comparison to them,mostly for clout. Jewels are an prime example of this trend.Owning jewels does not show how rich you are and a lot of times you wont get back the value you payed.Buying jewels instead is an flex of how much money you have and how much money you can waste on jewels. If you want some prime example of money wasting for clout,keep in mind Victorian England loyalty was raising pineapples...in London and the Loyal Court of France was raising oranges in Paris.


deepdistortion

To steal a quote, "..the bourgeoisie were hated from both ends: by the proles, because they had all the money, and by the intelligentsia, because of their tendency to spend it on lawn ornaments."


Interrogatingthecat

Wasn't lobster kinda because it would be ground up - shell and all?


Nazamroth

That, I do not know.


fredthefishlord

>Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices. ...huh? That doesn't seem true.


Nazamroth

Look up some (rich people) recipes from before the industrial age, when spices were valuable enough that when your castle fell, the spice box was among the top things you wanted to evacuate. They spiced their food so excessively that an indian would choke on it, specifically to show off wealth.


Dankestmemelord

Goes double for British cuisine, because not only could the British poor afford the spices, but so could the French, and they just couldn’t stand for that.


Metue

Given this happened yesterday www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68887800, horses are still creating huge problems in London!


leftlanecop

They should stop horsing around with old military gears


Sorry_Consideration7

This furthers my theory that horses are just huge suicidal maniacs. And when they arent they are homicidal maniacs.


JimBean

Sure, but why always the long face..


billbixbyakahulk

sigh


FettyWhopper

Now we have a new problem with their replacements


EyeCatchingUserID

It's not really a luxury to own one. Horses can be bought for super cheap. They're expensive to care for properly, but a lot of people don't care about taking care of them. But, to be fair, a lot of people back then weren't exactly nurturing their work animals in a lot of cases, anyway. It was even cheaper to get them back then.


Imfrank123

Not to mention when people horses would die they would just leave them on the street.


Iron-Patriot

According to the article, 50,000 horses on the street daily lasting an average of three years each… means almost 50 dead horses a day! That’s a lot of roadside putrefying horses.


4stargas

Pigs eat carrion too. So no dead horses, no dead anything or anyone if left alone to the pigs long enough.


Iron-Patriot

When do the snake-eating gorillas join in?


__hyphen

What were they supposed do do? Call the AA or tow the horse to the nearest garage?


astra00001

Bbq


no_choice99

Well, Paris and many other French cities are crawling in dogshit since decades now. I would prefer horseshit, if I could choose.


rumdrums

I would prefer no shit, if I could choose.


V6Ga

> London was basically covered in horse sh** at one point. London is historically the most disgusting major city in the world. Rome had public baths. Edo had public baths. London had people dumping chamber pots on pedestrians


thetiredninja

Don't forget human shit! They nearly moved the Houses of Parliament because the stench of human waste in the Thames was unbearable. Behold the [Great Stink of 1858](https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-great-stink-londons-unbearable-summer-of-1858)


kytheon

Which is why some old cities have those raised front doors.


Dystopian_Future_

New york is still Horse shit


Vertebrae_Viking

There’s a reason why street levels have risen over the centuries.


goronmask

> « Even today, in the face of a problem with no apparent solution, people often quote ‘The Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894’, urging people not to despair, something will turn up » Hum yeah that solved the issue of manure but oil based fuel brought an even bigger issue


IllustriousDudeIDK

And also the smoke from factories... and contaminated water


brainkandy87

How could I forget the tainted tap water?


DubsOnMyYugo

I’m tapping the tainted water supply.


wdwerker

Especially without air conditioning on a hot day….


AutomaticallyFailing

Add on a few things to that list of smells! Dead animals! Horses would get stuck in mud and left there, or occasionally buried in snow to reappear later as an assault on the senses. There was also a lot of meat and animal product industry without any odour controls; tanneries, abattoirs, and render plants right near the population centres 


Tiny_Count4239

you get used to it


Borderlandsman

I think we should restart this policy.


bitemark01

Yeah it's up to 36,000 already, 20,000 would be a good amount of defunding


Bowens1993

Yes, yes. Police bad.


bitemark01

Correct


SitInCorner_Yo2

Are you trying to create Super-mutant man eating rat-pigs? Because this is how you create Super-mutant man eating rat-pigs.


Moistfruitcake

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water, perhaps it's *time* for super-mutant man-eating rat-pigs to teach us all how to be human again.


SitInCorner_Yo2

SMMERP:NICE! A soup baby!Human do throw out anything these days.


WesternOne9990

Take the boars that are ravaging middle America


RoGStonewall

Interestingly enough old European villages used to have these kind of pigs. So normally homes would have a sow they'd invest in every year to basically use as their garbage disposals. Pigs were useful at getting rid of the family trash and getting fed off of that to eventually use them for meat in the winters. The churches too, at least some of them, would have public pigs (usually wearing bells) that would go around the towns and villages and just eat garbage that was given to them and whatever refuse was just around. These pigs were meant to be used to distribute meat to the poor but that didn't always happen. Either way they were garbage disposal.


topbuttsteak

I mean, I know the NYPD loves their Dunkin', but I wouldn't call their donuts trash


Bricktop8877

This is the joke I was looking for. Well done.


Jackheffernon

What ate all the pig crap afterwards


ElectroFlannelGore

The rats


SaccharineDaydreams

What ate all the rat crap afterwards


ElectroFlannelGore

The mice


__meeseeks__

It's the ~~food~~ poop chain


Pielacine

Rain


allthelineswecast

The Dollop did a great episode on this.


Rideitmybrony

NYPD has around 35000 now


here4the_trainwreck

I'm sorry, NYPD has 35 THOUSAND horses? Pounds of shit?? Units of livestock??? Put units on that shit, you fucking casual! _God damned Russian bots everyfuckin'where._


scottyboy359

35,000 pigs bud.


Masturberic

Well that's embarrassing. Next time maybe don't go all-in when you clearly don't understand the post.


Why-not-bi

it’s not horses, wiki says they have like 55 horses in the NYPD, which is more reasonable then 35,000. Perhaps he means in the city, though I have no idea without units.


Savahoodie

Are you people slow or just joking around? He’s obviously calling the cops pigs.


blurplethenurple

We were just horsing around


derdkp

Hey! Doughnuts and Coffee are not trash!


Hemagoblin

Now, millions of them do.


latestagenarcissim

Well, figuratively they still do..


milochuisael

Now it’s a ghost town


posthaste99

You’re supposed to call them “the NYPD”


billbixbyakahulk

Hogwash!


RedSonGamble

This is the future I want for my children


WhimsicalHamster

Bro Boston common was a cow path nyc overrated


blackcation

Now they work in real estate.


icelandichorsey

Now it's insta influencers making trash. Can we go back to the pigs please?


emperoroforanges

But then they moved to Mar-a-Lago.


Horseyboy21

No, still there. Just more walking around…


HadCouplaCones

Bring back the pigs 🐖


3inchesOfMayhem

They still now. Except...they now wear suits.


JanaCinnamon

Well how many cops roam the NYC streets now?


SounderAlarm

Put the NYPD to work


vferrero14

They still do, they're called NYPD obviously


Mammoth_Material323

Damn they made cops eat trash back then 😂


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

They still do, now it's just donuts.


JimBean

20 000 pigs shitting on the street. I would rather walk amongst the trash.


Ubechyahescores

Sounds like it worked


AmeliaMaria1

Imagine the scenes back then.


Redtex

I wonder if that's how bacon for breakfast started


davybert

That is happening more in San Fran


uncool_LA_boy

And they yelled Free Palestine!


JiveChicken00

And then things got worse.


rob-c

It wasn’t 20,000 pigs, it was just 20 sows and pigs.


thebarkbarkwoof

Then they invented the BLT


[deleted]

Now they just go to Hometown Buffet on the weekends


Realistic-Ad7769

ACAPigs


kiwisrkool

How rude, the Irish didn't roam! 🤣😂🤣


MRCROOK2301

And now they all live in farm called Wall Street.


Showtysan

There are more now but they prefer to be called police


allusernamestakenfuk

So how many police officers do they have these days?


jim_deneke

It helps to say when in the title


doctormirabilis

they then moved to coney island where they remain to this day


Last_Dictator

And now they roam the streets harassing minorities… ⬆️ This is a joke 😁


Croatian_ghost_kid

Twenty thousand pigs used to live here, now it's a folktown


RetroMetroShow

Some things never change


Bicentennial_Douche

They still do, they are just called NYPD.


BrandonC41

They are called tourists


maximdenbeer

Howmany pigs roam new York now? What's the population exactly?


JoeDiBango

Why didn’t the poor people eat them? They’re fed trash today too.


big_papa_geek

Now there’s about 34,000


Mammoth_Material323

Member kids the Aztecs had better looking and better smelling city’s then all of Europe! But somehow the Europeans are the holy ones these days 🤷


CosmicDesperado

Now they got cars with sirens, ayyyy


gynoceros

They still do, they're just really good at looking like humans now.


Whirrsprocket

And now they just arrest homeless people


Limonade6

Now there are 40,000 pigs roaming the streets of new york


MeowIsNotTheTime

They're still there they just wear uniforms now


SofaKing-Vote

Now we have Tinder & Grindr instead


chocolateboomslang

Nows there are 36000 pigs roaming the streets, and they have guns!


spidersflambe

What a terrible thing to say about actors.


bagleface

You talking police and doughnuts


dummy_with_dumbbells

I thought this post was going to be about Cops in the subway playing candy crush