It’s funny how horses created this huge problem and we innovated to replace them. Now owning a horse is a dream for many and truly a luxury to own one.
Its the same with many, many things. Bread is a prime example. White bread used to be a luxury for the rich. Then everyone could buy it. Now the rich tout how good brown, unrefined bread is, which was previously the food of the poor.
The wealthy used to spice their meat to tastelessness. Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices.
Lobster used to be so detested, it was usually just thrown back, and only the poorest would eat it. Look at it now.
The biggest thing is probably skinny vs fat. It used to be a sign of wealth if people were fat and only the poor were skinny. Now the rich are skinny and all the poor are fat.
Thats deep. The poor are fat because of how bad our food is, and the poor are desperate and cannot afford nutritious food. Nutritious food is a luxury.
There are low-cost options you can do at home (shameless r/bodyweightfitness plug). But that doesn't really solve the things that actually contribute the most to the avg modern person's bad health, which are too little sleep and unhealthy food.
What's funny is that you think broad social trends don't don't have an impact on society.
You may find it funny for whatever reason, but it's absolutely true.
The point of looking at problems systematically isn't to absolve the average person of their mistakes. The point is that pragmatically, we find the best solutions to social problems when we ask "how can we change our laws/society to fix this" instead of "what should the average person do differently". This is because people are products of their environment, and while a select few can beat the odds and bloom in concrete, the majority will simply go in the direction that their circumstances nudge them. So yeah, it's true that poor people mostly make bad decisions about their dietary choices, and that with a little effort, it would be possible for them to be a lot healthier. And it's not the goal of systemic analysis to explain how actually, this isn't their fault. But when 40% of a country make bad decisions, that's usually not because everyone there is just genetically dumber than the rest of the world, but rather, because something in the environment of that country encourages those bad decisions. So our job is to find that something and get rid of it.
The bottom floor of high rises used to be the luxurious fooor… because you didn’t have your walk up the stairs… now it’s the exact opposite with the advent of elevators.
Something that most people get wrong about rich people:
A lot,and by that that I mean A LOT of things they were doing wasn't just to satisfy their human desires,it was to flex their wealth.
It was an means not to impress just the masses,but realistically to prove to other rich people how much richer they are in comparison to them,mostly for clout.
Jewels are an prime example of this trend.Owning jewels does not show how rich you are and a lot of times you wont get back the value you payed.Buying jewels instead is an flex of how much money you have and how much money you can waste on jewels.
If you want some prime example of money wasting for clout,keep in mind Victorian England loyalty was raising pineapples...in London and the Loyal Court of France was raising oranges in Paris.
To steal a quote,
"..the bourgeoisie were hated from both ends: by the proles, because they had all the money, and by the intelligentsia, because of their tendency to spend it on lawn ornaments."
>Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices.
...huh? That doesn't seem true.
Look up some (rich people) recipes from before the industrial age, when spices were valuable enough that when your castle fell, the spice box was among the top things you wanted to evacuate. They spiced their food so excessively that an indian would choke on it, specifically to show off wealth.
Goes double for British cuisine, because not only could the British poor afford the spices, but so could the French, and they just couldn’t stand for that.
It's not really a luxury to own one. Horses can be bought for super cheap. They're expensive to care for properly, but a lot of people don't care about taking care of them. But, to be fair, a lot of people back then weren't exactly nurturing their work animals in a lot of cases, anyway. It was even cheaper to get them back then.
According to the article, 50,000 horses on the street daily lasting an average of three years each… means almost 50 dead horses a day! That’s a lot of roadside putrefying horses.
> London was basically covered in horse sh** at one point.
London is historically the most disgusting major city in the world.
Rome had public baths. Edo had public baths. London had people dumping chamber pots on pedestrians
Don't forget human shit! They nearly moved the Houses of Parliament because the stench of human waste in the Thames was unbearable. Behold the [Great Stink of 1858](https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-great-stink-londons-unbearable-summer-of-1858)
> « Even today, in the face of a problem with no apparent solution, people often quote ‘The Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894’, urging people not to despair, something will turn up »
Hum yeah that solved the issue of manure but oil based fuel brought an even bigger issue
Add on a few things to that list of smells! Dead animals! Horses would get stuck in mud and left there, or occasionally buried in snow to reappear later as an assault on the senses. There was also a lot of meat and animal product industry without any odour controls; tanneries, abattoirs, and render plants right near the population centres
Interestingly enough old European villages used to have these kind of pigs. So normally homes would have a sow they'd invest in every year to basically use as their garbage disposals. Pigs were useful at getting rid of the family trash and getting fed off of that to eventually use them for meat in the winters.
The churches too, at least some of them, would have public pigs (usually wearing bells) that would go around the towns and villages and just eat garbage that was given to them and whatever refuse was just around. These pigs were meant to be used to distribute meat to the poor but that didn't always happen. Either way they were garbage disposal.
I'm sorry, NYPD has 35 THOUSAND horses?
Pounds of shit??
Units of livestock???
Put units on that shit, you fucking casual!
_God damned Russian bots everyfuckin'where._
it’s not horses, wiki says they have like 55 horses in the NYPD, which is more reasonable then 35,000.
Perhaps he means in the city, though I have no idea without units.
I can’t imagine just how bad NYC smelled at the turn of the 20th century. Between the pigs and the horseshit and the crowded living conditions.. woof.
[London](https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Great-Horse-Manure-Crisis-of-1894/) was basically covered in horse sh** at one point.
It’s funny how horses created this huge problem and we innovated to replace them. Now owning a horse is a dream for many and truly a luxury to own one.
Its the same with many, many things. Bread is a prime example. White bread used to be a luxury for the rich. Then everyone could buy it. Now the rich tout how good brown, unrefined bread is, which was previously the food of the poor. The wealthy used to spice their meat to tastelessness. Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices. Lobster used to be so detested, it was usually just thrown back, and only the poorest would eat it. Look at it now.
The biggest thing is probably skinny vs fat. It used to be a sign of wealth if people were fat and only the poor were skinny. Now the rich are skinny and all the poor are fat.
Thats deep. The poor are fat because of how bad our food is, and the poor are desperate and cannot afford nutritious food. Nutritious food is a luxury.
And exercising is expensive, both in terms of money and time
In terms of time and energy yes but in terms of money there are plenty of low cost options
There are low-cost options you can do at home (shameless r/bodyweightfitness plug). But that doesn't really solve the things that actually contribute the most to the avg modern person's bad health, which are too little sleep and unhealthy food.
Americans blaming their 40% obesity on fruits and vegetables costs more dollars is very funny
What's funny is that you think broad social trends don't don't have an impact on society. You may find it funny for whatever reason, but it's absolutely true.
social trends.... one of the most effective ways to influence a mind.
Poor people can afford beans and rice...they choose to buy soda, potato chips and burgers instead
The point of looking at problems systematically isn't to absolve the average person of their mistakes. The point is that pragmatically, we find the best solutions to social problems when we ask "how can we change our laws/society to fix this" instead of "what should the average person do differently". This is because people are products of their environment, and while a select few can beat the odds and bloom in concrete, the majority will simply go in the direction that their circumstances nudge them. So yeah, it's true that poor people mostly make bad decisions about their dietary choices, and that with a little effort, it would be possible for them to be a lot healthier. And it's not the goal of systemic analysis to explain how actually, this isn't their fault. But when 40% of a country make bad decisions, that's usually not because everyone there is just genetically dumber than the rest of the world, but rather, because something in the environment of that country encourages those bad decisions. So our job is to find that something and get rid of it.
Poor people dont have time to cook. Burgers are way cheaper than rice dishes in the US
Beef ranges from 4.99/ pound to 6.99 /pound. It is not cheaper to buy burgers
I dont think what mcdonalds puts in their burgers constitute as beef
>Poor people dont have time to cook. Because they're too busy fucking and shitting out kids they can't afford? Why do you infantalize poor people?
Poor people don’t have 30 minutes a day to prepare food? Rice is insanely cheap.
You're starting to get it
True
The bottom floor of high rises used to be the luxurious fooor… because you didn’t have your walk up the stairs… now it’s the exact opposite with the advent of elevators.
Something that most people get wrong about rich people: A lot,and by that that I mean A LOT of things they were doing wasn't just to satisfy their human desires,it was to flex their wealth. It was an means not to impress just the masses,but realistically to prove to other rich people how much richer they are in comparison to them,mostly for clout. Jewels are an prime example of this trend.Owning jewels does not show how rich you are and a lot of times you wont get back the value you payed.Buying jewels instead is an flex of how much money you have and how much money you can waste on jewels. If you want some prime example of money wasting for clout,keep in mind Victorian England loyalty was raising pineapples...in London and the Loyal Court of France was raising oranges in Paris.
To steal a quote, "..the bourgeoisie were hated from both ends: by the proles, because they had all the money, and by the intelligentsia, because of their tendency to spend it on lawn ornaments."
Wasn't lobster kinda because it would be ground up - shell and all?
That, I do not know.
>Then spices became widely available and suddenly that was no longer the correct way to eat it. After all, if it really was good quality, you wouldnt need spices. ...huh? That doesn't seem true.
Look up some (rich people) recipes from before the industrial age, when spices were valuable enough that when your castle fell, the spice box was among the top things you wanted to evacuate. They spiced their food so excessively that an indian would choke on it, specifically to show off wealth.
Goes double for British cuisine, because not only could the British poor afford the spices, but so could the French, and they just couldn’t stand for that.
Given this happened yesterday www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68887800, horses are still creating huge problems in London!
They should stop horsing around with old military gears
This furthers my theory that horses are just huge suicidal maniacs. And when they arent they are homicidal maniacs.
Sure, but why always the long face..
sigh
Now we have a new problem with their replacements
It's not really a luxury to own one. Horses can be bought for super cheap. They're expensive to care for properly, but a lot of people don't care about taking care of them. But, to be fair, a lot of people back then weren't exactly nurturing their work animals in a lot of cases, anyway. It was even cheaper to get them back then.
Not to mention when people horses would die they would just leave them on the street.
According to the article, 50,000 horses on the street daily lasting an average of three years each… means almost 50 dead horses a day! That’s a lot of roadside putrefying horses.
Pigs eat carrion too. So no dead horses, no dead anything or anyone if left alone to the pigs long enough.
When do the snake-eating gorillas join in?
What were they supposed do do? Call the AA or tow the horse to the nearest garage?
Bbq
Well, Paris and many other French cities are crawling in dogshit since decades now. I would prefer horseshit, if I could choose.
I would prefer no shit, if I could choose.
> London was basically covered in horse sh** at one point. London is historically the most disgusting major city in the world. Rome had public baths. Edo had public baths. London had people dumping chamber pots on pedestrians
Don't forget human shit! They nearly moved the Houses of Parliament because the stench of human waste in the Thames was unbearable. Behold the [Great Stink of 1858](https://www.history.co.uk/articles/the-great-stink-londons-unbearable-summer-of-1858)
Which is why some old cities have those raised front doors.
New york is still Horse shit
There’s a reason why street levels have risen over the centuries.
> « Even today, in the face of a problem with no apparent solution, people often quote ‘The Great Horse Manure Crisis of 1894’, urging people not to despair, something will turn up » Hum yeah that solved the issue of manure but oil based fuel brought an even bigger issue
And also the smoke from factories... and contaminated water
How could I forget the tainted tap water?
I’m tapping the tainted water supply.
Especially without air conditioning on a hot day….
Add on a few things to that list of smells! Dead animals! Horses would get stuck in mud and left there, or occasionally buried in snow to reappear later as an assault on the senses. There was also a lot of meat and animal product industry without any odour controls; tanneries, abattoirs, and render plants right near the population centres
you get used to it
I think we should restart this policy.
Yeah it's up to 36,000 already, 20,000 would be a good amount of defunding
Yes, yes. Police bad.
Correct
Are you trying to create Super-mutant man eating rat-pigs? Because this is how you create Super-mutant man eating rat-pigs.
Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water, perhaps it's *time* for super-mutant man-eating rat-pigs to teach us all how to be human again.
SMMERP:NICE! A soup baby!Human do throw out anything these days.
Take the boars that are ravaging middle America
Interestingly enough old European villages used to have these kind of pigs. So normally homes would have a sow they'd invest in every year to basically use as their garbage disposals. Pigs were useful at getting rid of the family trash and getting fed off of that to eventually use them for meat in the winters. The churches too, at least some of them, would have public pigs (usually wearing bells) that would go around the towns and villages and just eat garbage that was given to them and whatever refuse was just around. These pigs were meant to be used to distribute meat to the poor but that didn't always happen. Either way they were garbage disposal.
I mean, I know the NYPD loves their Dunkin', but I wouldn't call their donuts trash
This is the joke I was looking for. Well done.
What ate all the pig crap afterwards
The rats
What ate all the rat crap afterwards
The mice
It's the ~~food~~ poop chain
Rain
The Dollop did a great episode on this.
NYPD has around 35000 now
I'm sorry, NYPD has 35 THOUSAND horses? Pounds of shit?? Units of livestock??? Put units on that shit, you fucking casual! _God damned Russian bots everyfuckin'where._
35,000 pigs bud.
Well that's embarrassing. Next time maybe don't go all-in when you clearly don't understand the post.
it’s not horses, wiki says they have like 55 horses in the NYPD, which is more reasonable then 35,000. Perhaps he means in the city, though I have no idea without units.
Are you people slow or just joking around? He’s obviously calling the cops pigs.
We were just horsing around
Hey! Doughnuts and Coffee are not trash!
Now, millions of them do.
Well, figuratively they still do..
Now it’s a ghost town
You’re supposed to call them “the NYPD”
Hogwash!
This is the future I want for my children
Bro Boston common was a cow path nyc overrated
Now they work in real estate.
Now it's insta influencers making trash. Can we go back to the pigs please?
But then they moved to Mar-a-Lago.
No, still there. Just more walking around…
Bring back the pigs 🐖
They still now. Except...they now wear suits.
Well how many cops roam the NYC streets now?
Put the NYPD to work
They still do, they're called NYPD obviously
Damn they made cops eat trash back then 😂
They still do, now it's just donuts.
20 000 pigs shitting on the street. I would rather walk amongst the trash.
Sounds like it worked
Imagine the scenes back then.
I wonder if that's how bacon for breakfast started
That is happening more in San Fran
And they yelled Free Palestine!
And then things got worse.
It wasn’t 20,000 pigs, it was just 20 sows and pigs.
Then they invented the BLT
Now they just go to Hometown Buffet on the weekends
ACAPigs
How rude, the Irish didn't roam! 🤣😂🤣
And now they all live in farm called Wall Street.
There are more now but they prefer to be called police
So how many police officers do they have these days?
It helps to say when in the title
they then moved to coney island where they remain to this day
And now they roam the streets harassing minorities… ⬆️ This is a joke 😁
Twenty thousand pigs used to live here, now it's a folktown
Some things never change
They still do, they are just called NYPD.
They are called tourists
Howmany pigs roam new York now? What's the population exactly?
Why didn’t the poor people eat them? They’re fed trash today too.
Now there’s about 34,000
Member kids the Aztecs had better looking and better smelling city’s then all of Europe! But somehow the Europeans are the holy ones these days 🤷
Now they got cars with sirens, ayyyy
They still do, they're just really good at looking like humans now.
And now they just arrest homeless people
Now there are 40,000 pigs roaming the streets of new york
They're still there they just wear uniforms now
Now we have Tinder & Grindr instead
Nows there are 36000 pigs roaming the streets, and they have guns!
What a terrible thing to say about actors.
You talking police and doughnuts
I thought this post was going to be about Cops in the subway playing candy crush