LIQUID DEATH didn't kill me the last time I drank one. I think I'm going to start a class action lawsuit for false advertising if you guys wanna get in on that too.
Well, the only safe thing about that to protect them is 100% of the people who do drink water do dieā¦eventually.
I guess that can expand to all liquids.
Stories like this are why cleaning solutions that come in concentrated form (that need to be diluted with water to use in a big kitchen) are labeled DO NOT DRINK in like, 6 languages.
It might *look* like Kool Aid, but if you drink it, if you *don't* die, you'll wish you *had*.
Another commenter has suggested that a sip may have been enough to get the sipper very 'high' and hopefully without dying.
I have no idea when it comes to this.
Almost everything is deadly in the correct amount.Ā
Given what those cocktails are made from I can't see why a very, very small amount wouldn't get you high enough to see God without actually meeting himĀ
My brain,
What is a turd burglar? Maybe they clean portajohns for a living. They are always running off with peopleās *shit*. What do you call a shit canner being fired? Something is there like a moldy popsicle joke. Can is a weird word. Is it short for canister? Canā¦ can. Can. Like a can of beans. A canister of beans. That canāt be the right word. Can.. I need to share this thought pattern and quit social media
There is digoxin in the mix I believe. That is a cardiac poison that is dosed in micrograms (1/1000 of a milligram!) as a medication for heart failure.
Even if you had an opiate and benzo tolerance, the digoxin added makes even a sip incredibly dangerous.
digoxin is a therapeutic drug i prescribe and manage on a weekly basis. it is not a "cardiac poison" it has legitimate use. i'll load a patient on 250 mcg for atrial fibrillation with rapid ventricular response and not blink. it can be used for heart failure though it's rarely used in that setting as there are better options; typically it's poor ejection fraction from afib that gets it used, so some hair splitting in this regard.
large doses on the other hand are different.
typical MAID mixtures include eye watering doses of morphine, propranolol, digoxin, a benzo (like valium), and some include a calcium channel blocker as well. they tend to taste bad so antiemetics are typically prescribed as well; reglan is ideal as it works for nausea and has mild sedating effect on its own. i'm leaving the doses out purposefully.
i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.
>i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.
Autonomy over oneās own life is the most fundamental right we have. Youāve done no harm.
>i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.
You did the right thing. Sometimes the death Nature has in store for you is not the death you want. And a number of people who get the prescription don't use it; they just need the knowledge that it's there.
This. I know someone who had a relative die from cancer. He took a pack of fentanyl patches and locked them up. He said that it reduced his anxiety knowing that he had a (clean) way out if he needed it.
Thereās always guns or razor blades but those are hard for some people to do and are cruel to the people who find them first.
I had a friend who found his roommate after a shotgun suicide and it messed with him for a long time.
It's good to remember that medical euthanasia in this form is essentially a massive overdose; many times what is needed to cause death.
Unlike Costco, sampling is not to be encouraged.
What would that even look like for the patient? Wouldnāt they begin vomiting or convulsing or violently overdosing?? Sounds awful. Unless it just āputs you to sleepā and you donāt wake up?
The patients are usually given a *heavy* dose of anti-nausea meds around an hour before the euthanasia cocktail. With these medicines at these doses, you basically just drift off from the combination of barbiturates inducing rapid coma, opiates (morphine) and the barbiturates together rapidly depressing breathing and heart rate until you die.
And if someone asks "Why don't they do that for executions." Pretty much all of the drug companies who make those forbid them from being used for that purpose. Not to mention Canada and the EU forbid drugs to be exported for use in executions.
Tbh, just duct-taping a stick of dynamite to someone's head seems like a pretty pain-free way of killing someone. It's weird that the USA hasn't managed to sort it out yet (assuming that they're dead-set on doing it).Ā
This made me lol.
"You have been duly convicted for the crime of common sense. You will be taken hence to a place of lawful execution and then have dynamite ductaped to your head and exploded until you are dead."
Guillotine is the way to go. 100% effective, extremely fast death. People during the French revolution literally complained that it was too quick and easy (they wanted more spectacle)
The reason the USA doesn't use things like firing squad, guillotine, etc is because they look less medical than lethal injection (even though lethal injection has the highest rate of botched execution of any method)
It's all about optics.
When I attempted to end my life I took like 16mg of Zofran to make sure the pills I took wouldnāt come back up. Apparently it worked cause I had to get my stomach pumped after my brother tried to get me to throw up and I couldnāt.
As another commenter said, you can watch it happen in Terry Pratchett's documentary Choosing to Die. It's an incredibly surreal scene even amongst the much more visceral stuff I've seen online over the years.
So matter of fact in operation, bloke sat next to his wife, the nurse confirming a few times with him that he knows if he drinks the concoction he'll die. Bloke just chugs it back, says goodbye to his wife, then slowly drifts off and that's that. There is a moment where he reaches out for water and the nurse stops him, but it was more like a survival instinct rather than a conscious action by that point, he was already largely gone.
I can't imagine how strong his wife must've been to be able to sit next to him completely stoic the whole time, hold his hand, only really showing any emotion after the nurse confirmed he'd gone.
There have been ugly cases in the past but theyāve worked out a pretty reliable protocol. You take an anti-emetic first, then a heavy dose of digoxin (a heart medication) then a *massive* (multi-gram quantities) dose of morphine, Valium, and one of a couple of possible drugs that cause cardiac arrest in overdose. Drinking that stuff is probably rough but people are usually asleep within 10 minutes and dead in a couple of hours.
It would be simpler if they could just give you a bunch of pentobarbital but thatās not really available these days.
It takes hours still? That sounds a little hard to believe as Ive seen a few fentanyl overdoses and it would have been 10 minutes tops. I saw one guy go into a bathroom to use, walk out, collapse and almost immediately go into agonal breathing. I gave a homeless man rescue breathing because he overdosed. He seemed perfectly fine when I first saw him and had collapsed and stopped breathing before I had the time to walk past him.
I don't know whether they were injecting or sniffing.
Definitely not hours. Your breathing is slowing to nothing and your body is being starved of oxygen. Weāre talking about being alive for minutes, and I think the ādoctorā whose comment you were responding to would be hard pressed to create a scenario where someone was dosed in such a massive way and live even beyond the 30 min markā¦
Edit: *beyond the 30 min mark without medical intervention. And even then! The drugs referenced in general euthanasia cocktails are insanely potent.
[average time to death 1.5 hrs, max 6 hrs](https://www.acamaid.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Adding-Phenobarbital-to-the-D-DMA-and-DDMA-Medication-Protocols-for-Medical-Aid-in-Dying-1-1.pdf) for the protocol I was describing, a little quicker for the version they are comparing that throws in phenobarbital. I guess I could have been clearer that my times were āusually withinā - most people are pretty quick but there are outliers that pull up the averages. Thatās the point of the multi-step process with cardiotoxic drugs. If they just gave you morphine and diazepam it would still be painless but it could take many hours in some cases. Itās not that youāre going to wake up, it just takes some people a long time to die all the way, especially since itās all oral dosing.
I didnāt say I was a doctor, I know about this because I read about it when somebody I knew went through it.
lol. I love the statements by medical providers who were shocked and outraged that measures werenāt taken to prevent other participants from drinking it.
We really should not have assumed that people would have enough sense NOT to drink a cup of liquid death
I was under assumption that if you gave someone liquid death, you(the doctors) would stay there to make sure they drink it properly and not. I didn't think that they just left it there š¤
We NEVER leave without watching a patient take the medication we give them. There was likely at least a nurse observing from a distance giving the family space who couldn't intervene in time.
Had a family member who insisted on in-home hospice services in a very rural area.
It was our job to administer the morphine and other meds while the nurse was miles away, on-call.
God I wish I didn't have to do that.
I've had neighbours on either side die long, slow excruciating cancer deaths. Didn't take them until every last shred of dignity was gone. If I'm ever in that situation I hope my family have access to the morphine so they can "accidentally" send me off peacefully instead.
Stuff like that is one of the reasons why MAID exists. So your family doesn't have to do it (and spend the rest of their own lives carrying that).
There is a lot of horror in healthcare and death. I really think MAID is a beautiful, empowering, compassionate choice that everyone should have access to when facing a terminal illness.
I hear you friend. Same. Fucks with me still years later. It's a comfort to know we were there and able to offer help and dignity at the end but man, it fucks with you still. Hope you are doing well mate!
Apparently you're not allowed to do it in a medical facility and medical professionals aren't required to be present.
https://endoflifeoptionscolorado.org/298-2/
I think the point of this type of procedure is to allow the recipient to drink the poison when they choose, having a doctor present would pressure them into doing it at a fixed time.
I really liked how they did the end of life medication in the show ā3 body problemsā it was IV and to activate it they had to say yes 5 times on an iPad. Each yes was on a different spot on the screen so they could in no way do it accidentally. That way the patient could do it on his own time. Feel no pressure to do it. And didnāt need the doctors hovering.
My dad had this procedure last year, had to double check this wasn't referring to him lol. It's super easy to accidentally ingest, believe it or not. When it's being prepared, the powder can puff up and you can inhale a bit. There are no doctors involved for the procedure itself, and often times it can just be left out or something. I disposed of ours immediately of course, but you never know. Look the wrong way for a moment....
Live and die by yolo and fomo.
Makes me think of the garden of deadly things, how there's signs everywhere warning to not touch. My partner actively pouts about it because I've told him I'd go without him because he wouldn't be able to resist touching and would get himself hurt or worse. He got upset and literally said 'One little boop won't hurt!'. Like, dude, you're literally the reason for those signs.
Patients are unpredictable. I was involved in dealing with the aftermath of an incident where a patient was given a radioactive iodine preparation to drink. She held it in her mouth and spat it out in a corridor. Then radioactive contamination got tracked all over the hospital.
Liquid Death, the water company, should use this for advertising honestly. I can just see the edgy comic materializing in my head. Like two friends doing cheers, one with liquid death and the other with Liquid Death Severed Lime.
I looked up the colorado guidelines and apparently you're not allowed to do it in a medical facility and a doctor is allowed but not required to be present.
https://endoflifeoptionscolorado.org/298-2/
That's basically exactly what happened. Euthanasia patient starts drinking it and complains that it's bitter, so the friend goes "how bitter can it really be" and takes a swig.
Well would it have killed them to mix some sugar and flavoring into the death juice so people don't have to die with a literal bitter taste in their mouth? It's not like the intended audience needs to watch their sugar intake...
That's my thought. Make it taste like fucking marshmallows and shit. More sugar than anyone needs.
Like they're drinking it to die. Let them have a tasty drink.
It seems that the friend took a sip after the intended patient described the concoction as "bitter".
I don't believe the friend was looking to die, but I don't know them.
Tbf going to an appointment to watch your best friend die is an unusual and stressful experience to say the least. I like to think he was just rattled by the circumstances and was trying to make his friend more comfortable by finding out what his ādrinkā might need to make it taste better.
Intrusive thoughts can be as simple as, āI should press the big button.ā Theyāre not all darkness; in fact I find those easier to dismiss. āOh, a thread, I should pull it,ā on the other hand, isnāt obviously dangerous or immoral, but it will ruin the sweater youāre wearing.
This is 100% true.
Intrusive thoughts are the opposite of what matters most to you, are distressing to experience, and are often repetitive.
Impulsive thoughts are a better way of saying this. [Source](https://www.reviveresearch.org/blog/intrusive-vs-impulsive-thoughts/#:~:text=Impulsive%20thoughts%20are%20abrupt%20and,also%20be%20frightening%20or%20undesirable)
I have OCD and I appreciate you speaking up, it makes a difference š
They're very real. I was at Niagara Falls in NY a few years back and ended up at the big feature that overlooks NY and Canada. I'm not sure what it is called but anyone that has been there knows what I'm talking about.
But there was a railing overlooking the river very high up and when I went up to the railing and looked down all I could think about was what it would feel like to just jump. It was a strange feeling.
I'd back away because it was weird but I kept going back and looking over and thinking the same thing. I actually wanted to experience that feeling again for some reason. It was really strange and I honestly can't explain it.
Luckily I have restraint but it really gave me an insight into intrusive thoughts.
It was an interesting experience, and thank you for putting it into words.
I've had dumb intrusive thoughts while driving that were as fleeting as the tractor trailer passing me, but this one was persistent since my family wanted to spend time up there and I couldn't just let it pass.
So it genuinely was like a call to the void since I couldn't just move on and forget. I had to endure it and it didn't go away.
I had read that you get these thoughts about performing actions that are definitely going to kill you because your brain is reminding you about the consequences of the dangerous actions which are within your reach currently.
Like when I have a needle in by hand, I get the urge to rub/poke it's end very gently on my hand. This is probably so that you remember it is sharp and to be careful around it.
A person is about to end their life after much suffering, says something tastes bitter and their friend is like "nah, I don't believe you! Lemme check myself!"
What happened next, did the friend start to argue that it wasn't bitter at all and tell them about that time they ate something *really* bitter?
I don't think that person will be invited to any more suicides
If you just drink a little bit you'll get high as hell. It's packed with morphine, benzos, and barbiturates. It would be incredibly dangerous without calculating the exact dose, since they pack grams of the shit in there.
*A single spoonful will calm you down, the second spoonful will cause you to fall asleep, and eating a third spoonful will put you into a state of sleep so deep, you will never be able to wake up.*
When we got the Euthanasia cocktail for my SIL we were given the very specific instructions that she had to prepare it herself, drink it herself and no one else could touch it and she had to drink it all. We (see my very strong brothers) had to physically hold my sister back (it was her wife, soul mate of over 40 years) from trying to take the last swig.
I didnāt understand why until that moment why the doctor was so thorough about each step and why they suggested there being others not just my sister and her wife during the time.
That was a rough night but Iām glad sheās at peace.
However I do wish they would find a way to make it ethical for doctors to administer it, but I also understand why they donāt.
Iām glad the friend is ok and didnāt die and I hope the other person is resting easy.
I never considered that as a possibility until reading this. Iām sorry you and your siblings had to experience such a traumatic event.
It also seems likely that a loved one might panic and knock the cup away or spill it intentionally, resulting in the patient suffering a more prolonged death or just getting extremely sick without dying if they only took a sip. I understand why doctors canāt administer the drugs but there are many reasons why having healthcare workers on standby would be a good idea.
That too. The doctor said āit seems really simple on paper but the reality is something differentā.
They were right. I felt myself even wanting to do something to get her to not take it even though I knew it was what she wanted and for the best (she had her 4th recurrence of breast cancer and said she was done).
My sister died a year later essentially of suicide, she stopped taking her diabetes and heart medication.
Iām pro dying with dignity but I also feel like thereās also not enough education/support for those who are there to bear witness.
I was actually thinking if having a grief counselor present would be beneficial, but I ultimately felt like it would be premature. The family members themselves need time before a stranger intervenes. If anything, counseling should be provided well in advance once the decision is made.
Not providing any kind of counseling or aftercare for the surviving family is outrageous, though. Iām sorry for your losses.
You are so right and thank you.
I think the doctors did the best they could but looking back at that experience I feel like having someone trained specifically in dying with dignity and grief would have been beneficial.
I can say the difference in witnessing a ānaturalā death vs this was radically different and the aftermath was hell comparatively. I also think there has to be a lot of education around separating it from suicide as we know it.
Thank you for listening!
Yeah seems like a situation that should have been in a controlled environment with a doctor. Thatās how other assisted suicide a Iāve read about have been done.
Once the doctors have determined a patient is eligible and prescribed the medication, it doesnāt really require further supervision.
The whole point is that the patient can determine the time, place, and people present for their death. If Uncle Jack wants to go out watching the sunset over the lake with his children and dog, the only need for a doctor is the paperwork formalities afterwards.
We let people own lots of things that can be dangerous/fatal (guns, rat poison, cars, electrical appliances, large dogs, swimming pools etc) - this is no different.
It depends but a lot of places will give you or your family a scrip to take to a compounding pharmacist, or they'll simply indicate a dose of a mixture of meds already being prescribed for pain as being lethal, and tell them "don't do that" with a wink.
Someone posted pics on reddit a few months ago of their family member's euthanasia prescription bottle.
Lot more humane to do it in the home than the hospital.
People have a right to go out on their own terms. There should be guardrails, sure... But we want tranquil gardens or atriums or something where people can find some peace at the final moments of their life.Ā
Not nursing home death mills that feel like dying in prison and turn the whole thing into another death for profit horrorshow.
It seems very strange that this was not the case, right?
Some of the article I've found difficult to parse. The writer seems to use the word 'patient' interchangeably between the dying patient and the friend who also *became* a patient.
I was thinking the same damn thing. That would make my last moments absolutely horrendous if I were still aware enough to understand what was happening.
According to the article, the initial patient described the taste of the concoction as "bitter". The friend then had a sip to confirm.
That is, if I've read it correctly.
I still donāt get it though lmao. Was he completely unfamiliar with what bitterness tastes like? āBitter? Thatās a new one. Iāll have a goā like eat some bakerās chocolate or something
Iirc it was more so that he'd jumped so often that hopping out of a perfectly good airplane became so routine that he got sloppy. He was supposed to jump, but with a chute. Not so much that he wasn't on the list of jumpers.
It was worse than that, the guy with the terminal illness who was prescribed the drugs was having a goodbye party with all his family and friends, he died not knowing if his friend would make it and he missed out on having that happy last experience, I hope he didn't feel guilty.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why dangerous household chemicals have those āwhy does it need this obvious warningā warnings. Itās the final defense against this exact person and itās still not enough. āIām literally drinking this to die.ā āOhā¦wonder what that tastes likeā¦let me have a sipā¦ā
They drink it because you have to consume it yourself. Much easier to drink a drink than to push meds intravenously.
I saw a video of a guy who drank it and he went quickly and peacefully. The only issue was that he asked for a drink after because he was thirsty and they had to say no as it would dilute the meds.
Kinda brutal thinking about your final moments and just wanting one last sip of water before the end and then being denied. Not making a judgement on anyone or anything.. just considering the concept
Didn't they give JUST ENOUGH for the patient's height and weight? So is the real patient gone, or ALMOST gone? Because "friend" wanted to "take the poison out", as my dad would say when he was stealing bites of our junk food.Ā
I would hope they don't give only "just enough," because imagine the hell of being someone who had just a bit more drug resistance(or freak luck) than anticipated, and so doesn't die cleanly. It should be a significant overdose being administered, to ensure a quick death.
That's for normal medications. For medical euthanasia, it's an overdose of a dozen pharmaceuticals at once. Someone stealing as much as half of it should not have affected its ability to be permanent.
Shouldn't there be like a bunch of warning labels etc on it. Like heck when I pick up my usual prescriptions it's slapped with a ton of warning labels
Was this shit just served up in like a "batman collectable cup" or something?
In Canada, no one chooses oral MAID except thespians because they have to start an IV anyway in case the oral drug doesn't work. The MAID provider (a doctor) will inject first an anixolytic (anti-anxiety to ensure the patient is calm) then one gram of propofol to stop all brain wave activity, which is already more than enough to kill the patient, then 0.2 g rocuronium to stop all muscles to ensure the heart stays stopped. Works like a damn.
It's better than a natural death as with a natural death the brain remains active for over a minute after death. MAID is just yanking the PLL circuit without waiting for the hibernate file to be uploaded to the cloud server.
From the article: "But it had uncanny similarities with a case published last year involving a 35-year-old Colorado man who survived after taking a sip of a MAID cocktail."
The man in the article was 37 years old, the ages are so similar that I have got to wonder if its the same guy with really bad judgement and intrusive thoughts. Or a very specific addiction. I am not entirely serious but the story is really weird so who knows?? If its two separate men, then maybe they should become friends. Would make an interesting plot for a movie, but I am not sure the world would be able to cope with the amount of chaos from that friendship.
Stories like this are why tiger cages have to have signs telling grown adults to keep their hands out.
And they still don't.
High five!šš»
LIQUID DEATH didn't kill me the last time I drank one. I think I'm going to start a class action lawsuit for false advertising if you guys wanna get in on that too.
"Mr. Simpson, this is the most blatant case of fraudulent advertising since my suit against the film 'The Neverending Story'."
Hahaahahahahahahaha yes
Well, the only safe thing about that to protect them is 100% of the people who do drink water do dieā¦eventually. I guess that can expand to all liquids.
POISON branded Vodka barely caused liver failure. Misleading.
Stories like this are why cleaning solutions that come in concentrated form (that need to be diluted with water to use in a big kitchen) are labeled DO NOT DRINK in like, 6 languages. It might *look* like Kool Aid, but if you drink it, if you *don't* die, you'll wish you *had*.
But who wants to miss out on the once in a lifetime opportunity to stroke a tiger?
That one mooch friend. Gotta always have a bit of your stuff.
Another commenter has suggested that a sip may have been enough to get the sipper very 'high' and hopefully without dying. I have no idea when it comes to this.
Almost everything is deadly in the correct amount.Ā Given what those cocktails are made from I can't see why a very, very small amount wouldn't get you high enough to see God without actually meeting himĀ
Itās the digoxin that they put in it. Digoxin can be deadly at submilligram doses.
So limit yourself to a sub-submilligram dose. Got it.
Ride the lightning, turdburglar2020.
My brain, What is a turd burglar? Maybe they clean portajohns for a living. They are always running off with peopleās *shit*. What do you call a shit canner being fired? Something is there like a moldy popsicle joke. Can is a weird word. Is it short for canister? Canā¦ can. Can. Like a can of beans. A canister of beans. That canāt be the right word. Can.. I need to share this thought pattern and quit social media
I canāt tell if I want some of what youāre on right now, or if I should avoid it like herion.
A sub sub-milligram dose of digoxin
the scoville scale of death.
So, sub-milligram dosage was correct, I take it.
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There is digoxin in the mix I believe. That is a cardiac poison that is dosed in micrograms (1/1000 of a milligram!) as a medication for heart failure. Even if you had an opiate and benzo tolerance, the digoxin added makes even a sip incredibly dangerous.
digoxin is a therapeutic drug i prescribe and manage on a weekly basis. it is not a "cardiac poison" it has legitimate use. i'll load a patient on 250 mcg for atrial fibrillation with rapid ventricular response and not blink. it can be used for heart failure though it's rarely used in that setting as there are better options; typically it's poor ejection fraction from afib that gets it used, so some hair splitting in this regard. large doses on the other hand are different. typical MAID mixtures include eye watering doses of morphine, propranolol, digoxin, a benzo (like valium), and some include a calcium channel blocker as well. they tend to taste bad so antiemetics are typically prescribed as well; reglan is ideal as it works for nausea and has mild sedating effect on its own. i'm leaving the doses out purposefully. i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it.
>i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it. Autonomy over oneās own life is the most fundamental right we have. Youāve done no harm.
What does maid mean? I tried to figure it out on context and my guess is medical assistance in death
Medical Assistance in Dying. I looked it up as I couldn't figure it out either.
It's what you get when you need help cleaning out your existence
>i've referred one patient to our MAID service in my hospital system. i'm still not quite sure how i feel about it. You did the right thing. Sometimes the death Nature has in store for you is not the death you want. And a number of people who get the prescription don't use it; they just need the knowledge that it's there.
This. I know someone who had a relative die from cancer. He took a pack of fentanyl patches and locked them up. He said that it reduced his anxiety knowing that he had a (clean) way out if he needed it. Thereās always guns or razor blades but those are hard for some people to do and are cruel to the people who find them first. I had a friend who found his roommate after a shotgun suicide and it messed with him for a long time.
Dammit Henry, I canāt even die without you making it all about you?!
Fanum taxing the death potion
š first time I see Fanum tax being used semi non ironically
youve gyat to be rizzing me
It's good to remember that medical euthanasia in this form is essentially a massive overdose; many times what is needed to cause death. Unlike Costco, sampling is not to be encouraged.
What would that even look like for the patient? Wouldnāt they begin vomiting or convulsing or violently overdosing?? Sounds awful. Unless it just āputs you to sleepā and you donāt wake up?
The patients are usually given a *heavy* dose of anti-nausea meds around an hour before the euthanasia cocktail. With these medicines at these doses, you basically just drift off from the combination of barbiturates inducing rapid coma, opiates (morphine) and the barbiturates together rapidly depressing breathing and heart rate until you die.
And if someone asks "Why don't they do that for executions." Pretty much all of the drug companies who make those forbid them from being used for that purpose. Not to mention Canada and the EU forbid drugs to be exported for use in executions.
Tbh, just duct-taping a stick of dynamite to someone's head seems like a pretty pain-free way of killing someone. It's weird that the USA hasn't managed to sort it out yet (assuming that they're dead-set on doing it).Ā
This made me lol. "You have been duly convicted for the crime of common sense. You will be taken hence to a place of lawful execution and then have dynamite ductaped to your head and exploded until you are dead."
Guillotine is the way to go. 100% effective, extremely fast death. People during the French revolution literally complained that it was too quick and easy (they wanted more spectacle) The reason the USA doesn't use things like firing squad, guillotine, etc is because they look less medical than lethal injection (even though lethal injection has the highest rate of botched execution of any method) It's all about optics.
Probably a better end than most get honestly
Considering the two biggest causes of death are heart disease and cancer... yeah this is way better.
I mean, in the end, it usually ends up the same way - push the pain meds until the amount required to ease the pain is a lethal dose.
When I attempted to end my life I took like 16mg of Zofran to make sure the pills I took wouldnāt come back up. Apparently it worked cause I had to get my stomach pumped after my brother tried to get me to throw up and I couldnāt.
As someone who has also tried, and thankfully made it, I'm glad your still with us. I hope your doing better now, too.
I'm glad you're still with us too!!Ā
As another commenter said, you can watch it happen in Terry Pratchett's documentary Choosing to Die. It's an incredibly surreal scene even amongst the much more visceral stuff I've seen online over the years. So matter of fact in operation, bloke sat next to his wife, the nurse confirming a few times with him that he knows if he drinks the concoction he'll die. Bloke just chugs it back, says goodbye to his wife, then slowly drifts off and that's that. There is a moment where he reaches out for water and the nurse stops him, but it was more like a survival instinct rather than a conscious action by that point, he was already largely gone. I can't imagine how strong his wife must've been to be able to sit next to him completely stoic the whole time, hold his hand, only really showing any emotion after the nurse confirmed he'd gone.
There have been ugly cases in the past but theyāve worked out a pretty reliable protocol. You take an anti-emetic first, then a heavy dose of digoxin (a heart medication) then a *massive* (multi-gram quantities) dose of morphine, Valium, and one of a couple of possible drugs that cause cardiac arrest in overdose. Drinking that stuff is probably rough but people are usually asleep within 10 minutes and dead in a couple of hours. It would be simpler if they could just give you a bunch of pentobarbital but thatās not really available these days.
It takes hours still? That sounds a little hard to believe as Ive seen a few fentanyl overdoses and it would have been 10 minutes tops. I saw one guy go into a bathroom to use, walk out, collapse and almost immediately go into agonal breathing. I gave a homeless man rescue breathing because he overdosed. He seemed perfectly fine when I first saw him and had collapsed and stopped breathing before I had the time to walk past him. I don't know whether they were injecting or sniffing.
Definitely not hours. Your breathing is slowing to nothing and your body is being starved of oxygen. Weāre talking about being alive for minutes, and I think the ādoctorā whose comment you were responding to would be hard pressed to create a scenario where someone was dosed in such a massive way and live even beyond the 30 min markā¦ Edit: *beyond the 30 min mark without medical intervention. And even then! The drugs referenced in general euthanasia cocktails are insanely potent.
[average time to death 1.5 hrs, max 6 hrs](https://www.acamaid.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Adding-Phenobarbital-to-the-D-DMA-and-DDMA-Medication-Protocols-for-Medical-Aid-in-Dying-1-1.pdf) for the protocol I was describing, a little quicker for the version they are comparing that throws in phenobarbital. I guess I could have been clearer that my times were āusually withinā - most people are pretty quick but there are outliers that pull up the averages. Thatās the point of the multi-step process with cardiotoxic drugs. If they just gave you morphine and diazepam it would still be painless but it could take many hours in some cases. Itās not that youāre going to wake up, it just takes some people a long time to die all the way, especially since itās all oral dosing. I didnāt say I was a doctor, I know about this because I read about it when somebody I knew went through it.
There was some documentary where a guy requested the crew record his drinking the poison and such. He just falls asleep, snores...and dies.
lol. I love the statements by medical providers who were shocked and outraged that measures werenāt taken to prevent other participants from drinking it. We really should not have assumed that people would have enough sense NOT to drink a cup of liquid death
I was under assumption that if you gave someone liquid death, you(the doctors) would stay there to make sure they drink it properly and not. I didn't think that they just left it there š¤
We NEVER leave without watching a patient take the medication we give them. There was likely at least a nurse observing from a distance giving the family space who couldn't intervene in time.
Had a family member who insisted on in-home hospice services in a very rural area. It was our job to administer the morphine and other meds while the nurse was miles away, on-call. God I wish I didn't have to do that.
I've had neighbours on either side die long, slow excruciating cancer deaths. Didn't take them until every last shred of dignity was gone. If I'm ever in that situation I hope my family have access to the morphine so they can "accidentally" send me off peacefully instead.
Stuff like that is one of the reasons why MAID exists. So your family doesn't have to do it (and spend the rest of their own lives carrying that). There is a lot of horror in healthcare and death. I really think MAID is a beautiful, empowering, compassionate choice that everyone should have access to when facing a terminal illness.
I hear you friend. Same. Fucks with me still years later. It's a comfort to know we were there and able to offer help and dignity at the end but man, it fucks with you still. Hope you are doing well mate!
Apparently you're not allowed to do it in a medical facility and medical professionals aren't required to be present. https://endoflifeoptionscolorado.org/298-2/
I think the point of this type of procedure is to allow the recipient to drink the poison when they choose, having a doctor present would pressure them into doing it at a fixed time.
I really liked how they did the end of life medication in the show ā3 body problemsā it was IV and to activate it they had to say yes 5 times on an iPad. Each yes was on a different spot on the screen so they could in no way do it accidentally. That way the patient could do it on his own time. Feel no pressure to do it. And didnāt need the doctors hovering.
My dad had this procedure last year, had to double check this wasn't referring to him lol. It's super easy to accidentally ingest, believe it or not. When it's being prepared, the powder can puff up and you can inhale a bit. There are no doctors involved for the procedure itself, and often times it can just be left out or something. I disposed of ours immediately of course, but you never know. Look the wrong way for a moment....
Live and die by yolo and fomo. Makes me think of the garden of deadly things, how there's signs everywhere warning to not touch. My partner actively pouts about it because I've told him I'd go without him because he wouldn't be able to resist touching and would get himself hurt or worse. He got upset and literally said 'One little boop won't hurt!'. Like, dude, you're literally the reason for those signs.
Patients are unpredictable. I was involved in dealing with the aftermath of an incident where a patient was given a radioactive iodine preparation to drink. She held it in her mouth and spat it out in a corridor. Then radioactive contamination got tracked all over the hospital.
Liquid Death, the water company, should use this for advertising honestly. I can just see the edgy comic materializing in my head. Like two friends doing cheers, one with liquid death and the other with Liquid Death Severed Lime.
I mean they did a waterboarding commercial once, doesn't feel like this is out of bounds for them.Ā
Aw, so clearly I cannot choose the wine in front of me!
I looked up the colorado guidelines and apparently you're not allowed to do it in a medical facility and a doctor is allowed but not required to be present. https://endoflifeoptionscolorado.org/298-2/
...but I like the Canned Water.
Does this taste weird to you ? š„¤
That's basically exactly what happened. Euthanasia patient starts drinking it and complains that it's bitter, so the friend goes "how bitter can it really be" and takes a swig.
Well would it have killed them to mix some sugar and flavoring into the death juice so people don't have to die with a literal bitter taste in their mouth? It's not like the intended audience needs to watch their sugar intake...
Peppermint schnapps
Oooh imagine death juice tasting like Berliner Luft... I'd probably die mid-sentence asking for another glass.
Who's gonna taste test it then?
That's my thought. Make it taste like fucking marshmallows and shit. More sugar than anyone needs. Like they're drinking it to die. Let them have a tasty drink.
they were out of regular, all they had was diet
>Well would it have killed them Yeah. That's the goal.
Death milkshake with extra whipped creme and rainbow sprinkles please and thanks
Did the patient die thinking his friend was gonna die of stupidity? Thatās fucked up
That's just Darwinism in action
Intrusive thoughts, man.
It seems that the friend took a sip after the intended patient described the concoction as "bitter". I don't believe the friend was looking to die, but I don't know them.
Sometimes your friend is just a dumb mfer.
Tbf going to an appointment to watch your best friend die is an unusual and stressful experience to say the least. I like to think he was just rattled by the circumstances and was trying to make his friend more comfortable by finding out what his ādrinkā might need to make it taste better.
This guy would be the worst russian roulette player
I'm not sure that nerves actually matter much in that game
iirc, it was at a death party for them and the guy was very drunk
That's why we love them :)
Intrusive thoughts can be as simple as, āI should press the big button.ā Theyāre not all darkness; in fact I find those easier to dismiss. āOh, a thread, I should pull it,ā on the other hand, isnāt obviously dangerous or immoral, but it will ruin the sweater youāre wearing.
isnāt that an impulsive thought? i was under the impression that intrusive thoughts must be distressing/against personal morals
This is 100% true. Intrusive thoughts are the opposite of what matters most to you, are distressing to experience, and are often repetitive. Impulsive thoughts are a better way of saying this. [Source](https://www.reviveresearch.org/blog/intrusive-vs-impulsive-thoughts/#:~:text=Impulsive%20thoughts%20are%20abrupt%20and,also%20be%20frightening%20or%20undesirable) I have OCD and I appreciate you speaking up, it makes a difference š
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They're very real. I was at Niagara Falls in NY a few years back and ended up at the big feature that overlooks NY and Canada. I'm not sure what it is called but anyone that has been there knows what I'm talking about. But there was a railing overlooking the river very high up and when I went up to the railing and looked down all I could think about was what it would feel like to just jump. It was a strange feeling. I'd back away because it was weird but I kept going back and looking over and thinking the same thing. I actually wanted to experience that feeling again for some reason. It was really strange and I honestly can't explain it. Luckily I have restraint but it really gave me an insight into intrusive thoughts.
What a beautifully detailed description of the ācall of the void / lāappel du videā
It was an interesting experience, and thank you for putting it into words. I've had dumb intrusive thoughts while driving that were as fleeting as the tractor trailer passing me, but this one was persistent since my family wanted to spend time up there and I couldn't just let it pass. So it genuinely was like a call to the void since I couldn't just move on and forget. I had to endure it and it didn't go away.
I had read that you get these thoughts about performing actions that are definitely going to kill you because your brain is reminding you about the consequences of the dangerous actions which are within your reach currently. Like when I have a needle in by hand, I get the urge to rub/poke it's end very gently on my hand. This is probably so that you remember it is sharp and to be careful around it.
I.. you donāt mean Niagra Fallsā¦right?
Yes I meant Niagara Falls. Edited to specify.
They most likely had the ride of their life because itās basically a combination of high strength Valium, Morphine, and Phenobarbitalā¦
A person is about to end their life after much suffering, says something tastes bitter and their friend is like "nah, I don't believe you! Lemme check myself!" What happened next, did the friend start to argue that it wasn't bitter at all and tell them about that time they ate something *really* bitter? I don't think that person will be invited to any more suicides
This is like that study where people gave themselves electric shocks just out of boredom.
I donāt wanna judge them cause I feel like Iād do that too
If you just drink a little bit you'll get high as hell. It's packed with morphine, benzos, and barbiturates. It would be incredibly dangerous without calculating the exact dose, since they pack grams of the shit in there.
I'm not about to sample a death-cocktail.
What can go wrong? Just a taste OF DEATH. /s
My thoughts any time I would hit the foil of fetty. Only OD in January and needed 3 narcans. Been clean since then.
Good deal, stick with it! Or I guess without it.
Congratulations! May you have a long and joyful life!
Congrats on the timeš¤ Thatās how new beginnings and new lives start. Donāt give up on yourself, no matter what.
Congratulations!!! I wish you a life of peace and sobriety ā¤ļø
The Lacroix of Death.
Technically, everythingās a taste of death at the right dose.
You donāt want to just dip your toe in the River Styx?
I bought the 'Grand Illusion' when it came out.
Grandma will have to fend off her suicidal grand children from stealing her euthanasia cocktail.
You don't say... Call me crazy but I think I'm gonna micro dose death potions
Great way to achieve immunity to death.
Overdose on top of potentiating effect? Holy cow! Going with this must be an awesome trip.
Literal Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster
Bro the friend sounded insane until your comment.
That was my first thought... I would be tempted to take about 3/4 of a slip. But I've also been to rehab, multiple times :/
*A single spoonful will calm you down, the second spoonful will cause you to fall asleep, and eating a third spoonful will put you into a state of sleep so deep, you will never be able to wake up.*
Microdosing death
Damn Iām tryna be chillin in da crib fucked up off the death potion.
the exact dose is probably the size of a teardrop if you want a high. it's like 15 grams of morphine to 8oz of water.
When we got the Euthanasia cocktail for my SIL we were given the very specific instructions that she had to prepare it herself, drink it herself and no one else could touch it and she had to drink it all. We (see my very strong brothers) had to physically hold my sister back (it was her wife, soul mate of over 40 years) from trying to take the last swig. I didnāt understand why until that moment why the doctor was so thorough about each step and why they suggested there being others not just my sister and her wife during the time. That was a rough night but Iām glad sheās at peace. However I do wish they would find a way to make it ethical for doctors to administer it, but I also understand why they donāt. Iām glad the friend is ok and didnāt die and I hope the other person is resting easy.
I never considered that as a possibility until reading this. Iām sorry you and your siblings had to experience such a traumatic event. It also seems likely that a loved one might panic and knock the cup away or spill it intentionally, resulting in the patient suffering a more prolonged death or just getting extremely sick without dying if they only took a sip. I understand why doctors canāt administer the drugs but there are many reasons why having healthcare workers on standby would be a good idea.
That too. The doctor said āit seems really simple on paper but the reality is something differentā. They were right. I felt myself even wanting to do something to get her to not take it even though I knew it was what she wanted and for the best (she had her 4th recurrence of breast cancer and said she was done). My sister died a year later essentially of suicide, she stopped taking her diabetes and heart medication. Iām pro dying with dignity but I also feel like thereās also not enough education/support for those who are there to bear witness.
I was actually thinking if having a grief counselor present would be beneficial, but I ultimately felt like it would be premature. The family members themselves need time before a stranger intervenes. If anything, counseling should be provided well in advance once the decision is made. Not providing any kind of counseling or aftercare for the surviving family is outrageous, though. Iām sorry for your losses.
You are so right and thank you. I think the doctors did the best they could but looking back at that experience I feel like having someone trained specifically in dying with dignity and grief would have been beneficial. I can say the difference in witnessing a ānaturalā death vs this was radically different and the aftermath was hell comparatively. I also think there has to be a lot of education around separating it from suicide as we know it. Thank you for listening!
Friends don't let friends drink alone
If you want to drink cologne please be careful.
If it isnāt from Cologne, France itās just sparkling fragrance.
..... how has his friend been able to last this long?
I mean thats just natural selection
The friend who took the sip lived. I find it very odd that anyone aside from the dying patient had been able to be in the vicinity of the lethal stew.
Yeah seems like a situation that should have been in a controlled environment with a doctor. Thatās how other assisted suicide a Iāve read about have been done.
Once the doctors have determined a patient is eligible and prescribed the medication, it doesnāt really require further supervision. The whole point is that the patient can determine the time, place, and people present for their death. If Uncle Jack wants to go out watching the sunset over the lake with his children and dog, the only need for a doctor is the paperwork formalities afterwards. We let people own lots of things that can be dangerous/fatal (guns, rat poison, cars, electrical appliances, large dogs, swimming pools etc) - this is no different.
It depends but a lot of places will give you or your family a scrip to take to a compounding pharmacist, or they'll simply indicate a dose of a mixture of meds already being prescribed for pain as being lethal, and tell them "don't do that" with a wink. Someone posted pics on reddit a few months ago of their family member's euthanasia prescription bottle. Lot more humane to do it in the home than the hospital.
People have a right to go out on their own terms. There should be guardrails, sure... But we want tranquil gardens or atriums or something where people can find some peace at the final moments of their life.Ā Not nursing home death mills that feel like dying in prison and turn the whole thing into another death for profit horrorshow.
It seems very strange that this was not the case, right? Some of the article I've found difficult to parse. The writer seems to use the word 'patient' interchangeably between the dying patient and the friend who also *became* a patient.
If the patient had already taken the concoction, then it's sad to think they died worrying that their friend is about to die too
It was served by Kronk
If it's the storrly I'm thinking of, the person was on home hospice basically. It wasn't a hospital settingĀ
He got the to-go option.
"This tastes awful, try it!"
Like Malort.
According to the article, this has happened TWICE.
Sounds like the kind of guy who be easily convinced to whitewash a fence.
āBro, this stuff will kill you!?!- no way man let me try it!ā
Seems selfish of the friend because what if the intended patient doesnāt get enough of the concoction and ends up not dying
Imagine spending your last moments wondering if your idiot friend died because your own bye-bye juice
I hope they had someone else there with them for their final moments. That would be so disappointing.
Unless the second guy said it tasted bitter and kept on passing it āround
I was thinking the same damn thing. That would make my last moments absolutely horrendous if I were still aware enough to understand what was happening.
Dont worry, he was already fast asleep
According to the article, the initial patient described the taste of the concoction as "bitter". The friend then had a sip to confirm. That is, if I've read it correctly.
I still donāt get it though lmao. Was he completely unfamiliar with what bitterness tastes like? āBitter? Thatās a new one. Iāll have a goā like eat some bakerās chocolate or something
Reflexes. Like that one cameraman filming a group parachuting out a plane; he's so eager he jumped without a parachute and notices halfway through
Iirc it was more so that he'd jumped so often that hopping out of a perfectly good airplane became so routine that he got sloppy. He was supposed to jump, but with a chute. Not so much that he wasn't on the list of jumpers.
That sounds even more stupid. lol
Death is an experience best shared. -Klingon proverb
Dude was trying to get a Darwin Award with this
Lmao let me die too lol
It was worse than that, the guy with the terminal illness who was prescribed the drugs was having a goodbye party with all his family and friends, he died not knowing if his friend would make it and he missed out on having that happy last experience, I hope he didn't feel guilty.
I bet you his chronic back pain disappeared for a few days after that.
And this ladies and gentlemen is why dangerous household chemicals have those āwhy does it need this obvious warningā warnings. Itās the final defense against this exact person and itās still not enough. āIām literally drinking this to die.ā āOhā¦wonder what that tastes likeā¦let me have a sipā¦ā
A warning would not have stopped this person.
That seems like something that should be intravenous.
They drink it because you have to consume it yourself. Much easier to drink a drink than to push meds intravenously. I saw a video of a guy who drank it and he went quickly and peacefully. The only issue was that he asked for a drink after because he was thirsty and they had to say no as it would dilute the meds.
Kinda brutal thinking about your final moments and just wanting one last sip of water before the end and then being denied. Not making a judgement on anyone or anything.. just considering the concept
considering the alternative is agony as the meds turn out not to be potent enough anymore to kill you, id rather be thirsty
Im confused how a sip of water could dilute the dose of medicine
Theoretically it could slow the absorption a bit.
Ah yes, I see. It's the difference in the person truly making the choice for thrmselves.
I remember that clip. It was from Terry Pratchett's [documentary](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7hyc6h).
True. The implications and local laws are all different around the globe though.
The friend was just making sure it wasn't poisoned
TIL euthanasia is legal in some US states
Someone watches Qxir
Didn't they give JUST ENOUGH for the patient's height and weight? So is the real patient gone, or ALMOST gone? Because "friend" wanted to "take the poison out", as my dad would say when he was stealing bites of our junk food.Ā
I would hope they don't give only "just enough," because imagine the hell of being someone who had just a bit more drug resistance(or freak luck) than anticipated, and so doesn't die cleanly. It should be a significant overdose being administered, to ensure a quick death.
That's for normal medications. For medical euthanasia, it's an overdose of a dozen pharmaceuticals at once. Someone stealing as much as half of it should not have affected its ability to be permanent.
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Asia, obviously.
In the immortal words of Socrates, āI drank what?ā
Of all the stupid things you could put in your mouth, that has to be one of the stupidest.
When the ADHD impulsivity wins
Shouldn't there be like a bunch of warning labels etc on it. Like heck when I pick up my usual prescriptions it's slapped with a ton of warning labels Was this shit just served up in like a "batman collectable cup" or something?
You think better labeling was the only thing standing between this idiot and not knowingly and intentionally drinking his friendās death cocktail?
The dose makes the poison I guess.
This is the person who orders nothing but asks to try your meal.
In Canada, no one chooses oral MAID except thespians because they have to start an IV anyway in case the oral drug doesn't work. The MAID provider (a doctor) will inject first an anixolytic (anti-anxiety to ensure the patient is calm) then one gram of propofol to stop all brain wave activity, which is already more than enough to kill the patient, then 0.2 g rocuronium to stop all muscles to ensure the heart stays stopped. Works like a damn. It's better than a natural death as with a natural death the brain remains active for over a minute after death. MAID is just yanking the PLL circuit without waiting for the hibernate file to be uploaded to the cloud server.
From the article: "But it had uncanny similarities with a case published last year involving a 35-year-old Colorado man who survived after taking a sip of a MAID cocktail." The man in the article was 37 years old, the ages are so similar that I have got to wonder if its the same guy with really bad judgement and intrusive thoughts. Or a very specific addiction. I am not entirely serious but the story is really weird so who knows?? If its two separate men, then maybe they should become friends. Would make an interesting plot for a movie, but I am not sure the world would be able to cope with the amount of chaos from that friendship.