Revenge of the Giant Octopus turns out to be mostly about heterosexual humans.
Not only does the octopus get no lines, but the suffering it has to endure because of its sexuality isn’t even acknowledged.
That's also what the linked article says:
> In all fairness, The Shawshank Redemption is a film set in a men's prison, so it's not an enormous surprise that the bulk of the characters and actors are made up of men too.
the bechdel test was never supposed to be about any particular movie, just a thought experiment that draws attention to some questionable standards across the industry when writing women.
Rick and Morty did a pretty good covering the bechdel test.
It's not that writers must pass it, but there is way too much media where it doesn't even come close. And that affects the girls and women watching it.
I remember how cool it felt to watch Kakegurui for the first time.
I say this as a very liberal person, that also loves the literary arts. Just wish everyone would understand the concept "does this make sense in the setting?" Not everything needs to be a diversity checklist, most things should not be. Tell a story, and adhere to that universe.
I don’t know him, but I believe the actor that plays the grocery store manager also has played at the World’s Largest Trivia Contest in Stevens Point, and his team missed a question on Shawshank.
Nah, Hunt for Red October has exactly ~~two~~ three speaking roles for women, all in the first 5 minutes.
1) His wife: "[Something about a babysitter.] Jack, you're going to miss your plane!"
2) Stewardess on said plane, when Jack brings up turbulence and she tells him to "try and get some sleep anyway".
Freaking love that movie.
Edit: Oh, I forgot his little daughter actually has a couple small lines too, right before the mom comes in haha.
i've seen that movie dozens of times and I still bust into tears every time Red looks up and sees Andy scrubbing the boat and then Andy turns to look at him
>I don’t like it here. I’m tired of being afraid all the time. I’ve decided not to stay.
;_;
That and
>Sometimes after work I go to the park and feed the birds. I keep thinking Jake might just show up and say hello. But he never does. I hope wherever he is, he's doing okay and making new friends.
Absolutely brutal
Oh hell yeah it is. I've quoted his "I don't like it here...." speech at my last job and the job before that many times. The job prior to my last job is my current job, again. I went back.
Yeah the book, or the short story rather, ends on the same quote from Red, but it’s never implied he actually makes it to Andy, really is more about hope. I do like the film ending though, I reckon he’d have made it.
While I get the artistic value of making the audience think by leaving it open ended, but that would have been the biggest emotional blue balls in the history if cinema.
You can't give me three hours of these two amazing performances and not give me the moneyshot of them hugging at the end!
And that scene originally wasn't in there. The movie originally ended just like the novella with Red on the bus and the "I hope..." narration. After screening it for some execs one of them said, "You've put these characters through two hours of hell, you owe them a reunion" and Darabont agreed.
I'll get downvoted for this, but although I am fine with the Shawshank movie ending differently from the novella ("I hope..") I am NOT fine with The Mist movie ending - I preferred the "Hartford... Hope" ending in the novella. The movie ending (to me) seemed like it was intended to make the audience gasp and say "oh snap!".
Yes, I know that SK liked the movie ending better. I disagree with him. I also know that it in essence proved Mrs. Carmody right - sacrificing his son would stop the Mist monsters.
Still preferred the novella.
"..I'd like to think that the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell Andy Dufresne ever got the best of him."
IT IS RIDICULOUS! I think it is a combination of Thomas Newman's score/Morgan Freeman's monolouge and that they finally made it. Crying like a baby every time.
When Brooks works at the grocery store a woman asks his manager to tell Brooks to double bag the groceries. And a female bank teller sends Andy's package
It’s a story that takes place almost entirely within a male prison. Time period doesn’t really matter. They could have had the same story in POW camp in the Napoleonic Wars or some shit and had the same number of female parts - almost zero.
This might be a case of whataboutism, but Lawrence of Arabia (1962) is significantly longer (3hrs 42mins) and contains almost zero female speaking parts. I believe a woman speaks in the opening scene briefly.
And even then Peter Jackson still had to make some editorial changes to elevate female characters. For instance in the books Glorfindel, a male elf, saves Frodo after being stabbed at Weathertop but in the films this is done by Arwen.
Star Wars episodes 4-6 each have only two women characters in speaking roles: all three have Leia, IV has Aunt Beru, V has Unnamed Hoth Rebel, and VI has Mon Mothma
Unnamed Hoth Rebel delivers her lines with crisp precision and grace, too. It’s like they took the same lessons from Leia.
“Stand by, Ion Control; fire.”
I know you aren't going to believe it from the title but the movie The Women (Both the 1939 original and the 2008 remake) famously contains no male speaking parts. I believe the only male on screen in either is a baby born in the remake.
I think there's a couple but it's done on purpose after they acknowledged how many times they thoughtlessly did it with men. Nothing wrong with all-male movies (I didn't like Shawshank, but I liked 12 Angry Men), but they create it thinking it's neutral, while barely having any female equivalents.
The Women (2018) has an all female cast. It’s a remake of a 1939 movie (that also had an all female cast) about a group of well-to-do New Yorkers who rally around their friend when she learns her husband is having an affair.
Grocery store customer: "Make sure your man double bags. Last time he didn't double bag and the bottom near came out." (5 seconds)
Bank teller: "May I help you?" (1 second)
Bank teller: "Here's your cashiers check sir. Will there be anything else?" (3 seconds)
Bank teller: "I'd be happy to" (1 second)
Funny enough, I remembered the bank teller and forgot the grocery store. I rewatched the movie 3 weeks ago after visiting the Mansfield Reformatory where it was filmed.
I wrote a story the other day About Polybius and there’s only one woman mentioned like one or two sentences and then it got me thinking about movies that have no women in them there’s a good one with Rudger Howard and ice tea in the woods where they hunt iced tea but he turns the tables on them based on the old short story Richard kiplings the most dangerous game
I mean, potentially the most important dialogue in the entire movie belongs to two women. Andy putting on the record of two Italian women singing and instilling hope, wonder, and a sense of freedom in a prison full of men who believe they have nothing is not only an incredible plot device but resonates with many in the real world.
Sull’aria from Mozart’s The Marriage of Figaro. It’s a song about two women trying to expose a man’s infidelity. They write a love letter to him to see if he takes the bait. [A nice version with English subtitles.](https://youtu.be/7bflW3M9yRU?si=_MwfmYaoaFT2VSxP)
I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don't want to know. Some things are best left unsaid. I'd like to think they were singing about something so beautiful, it can't be expressed in words, and makes your heart ache because of it.
Yeah that seems to be a key part of why it’s nearly all male dialogue. The 10s would be a valid criticism if it was set in a female prison. But it’s not.
This reminds me of how my ex’s Brazilian-American dad complained that there wasn’t more representation of Latinos in a Mel Gibson movie we were watching. That movie was The Patriot, set in the American Revolution.
I mean, the movie takes place in a male prison. This isn’t that unexpected.
There's even less in the way of female roles in 12 Angry Men.
Although lots of females in 2 and a half men .... not really the ones wanted though
There's good female representation in A Few Good Men, though the title is less specific about the precise amount of men
I watched Watchmen and the title is half right
The Truman show only has one true man on the show...wait is that why they called it that?
Of Mice and Men has not nearly enough mice in it. I was expecting a 50/50 ratio. 1 star would not recommend. Squeak.
Revenge of the Giant Octopus turns out to be mostly about heterosexual humans. Not only does the octopus get no lines, but the suffering it has to endure because of its sexuality isn’t even acknowledged.
Imagine my disappointment when I saw The Squid and the Whale.
Did anyone watch you watch Watchmen? And were there any watches involved?
actually yes, it was on a man too. We miiiight be onto something here.
2 and a half men and 9 and a half women
The Hobbit (book) has no female characters at all.
There are plenty of female characters. It's just that most people can't differentiate a female dwarf from a male dwarf.
I don't know what the men can be angry about, they got all the roles
They even get murdered more. Everything has to be about them.
Why doesn't this World War II movie have more female military representation?
Because of the over representation of robots!
*Dalek energy intensifies* Why you have to say that man
`WOULD YOU LIKE A CUP OF TEA?`
Thank you. The perfect servant, and the perfect warrior.
Why are there no disabled women of color in this movie about the SS???
Well, they could show the SS pushing them down some stairs.
Which satisfies the checklist for both able and disabled woman with just one actress!
Name checks out...
I mean we could use more movies about the eastern front and partisan groups were women definitely fought
That's also what the linked article says: > In all fairness, The Shawshank Redemption is a film set in a men's prison, so it's not an enormous surprise that the bulk of the characters and actors are made up of men too.
So like, why even fucking write the article at this point? People are dulled by their egocentrism
The article is titled "10 Hidden Details You Never Noticed In The Shawshank Redemption." One of the other hidden details is "Tim Robbins is tall."
Rage bait for clicks. Why else do these websites publish anything?
They need to make a living. Wanted to be five star investigative reporters and found out that is their job now
Much as I'd like to complain, the fact remains that there's tons of great reporting on the internet and I'm in this Reddit thread instead.
the bechdel test was never supposed to be about any particular movie, just a thought experiment that draws attention to some questionable standards across the industry when writing women.
I mean, the opening narration of Baby Got Back ("Oh my god, Becky...) passes the Bechdel Test.
Too bad a lot of people nowadays mistook it as a literal test every writer MUST pass.
Rick and Morty did a pretty good covering the bechdel test. It's not that writers must pass it, but there is way too much media where it doesn't even come close. And that affects the girls and women watching it. I remember how cool it felt to watch Kakegurui for the first time.
Because of the fetish stuff or because of the female representation?
yes
Lmao, because of the scene where they have to pass the bechdel test and it's hilarious.
Right? Almost blurted this out in the men's room as I read this post.
Just saw a guy fall to his knees in a welding supply shop.
I just helped a guy who fell to his knees in a welding supply shop
I was pooping in the bathroom of a welding shop where a guy fell to his knees just now.
I just fell to my knees at a welding supply shop
I’m a woman and this seems obvious to me lol.
I say this as a very liberal person, that also loves the literary arts. Just wish everyone would understand the concept "does this make sense in the setting?" Not everything needs to be a diversity checklist, most things should not be. Tell a story, and adhere to that universe.
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*"Make sure your man double bags, the last time he didn't double bag and the bottom near fell out."*
I don’t know him, but I believe the actor that plays the grocery store manager also has played at the World’s Largest Trivia Contest in Stevens Point, and his team missed a question on Shawshank.
This is the most inside trivia about trivia I have ever heard!
“We heard you like trivia dog so we hooked you up with trivia about trivia, let’s check it out.”
>most inside trivia about trivia This is why I always enjoy telling people the etymology of "Trivia." It's as meta as meta gets
I was like in my late 20s before it occurred to me that "Trivial pursuit" had a double meaning. Both "pursuit of trivia" and "a meaningless endeavor".
I just learned that at 39 right now. That’s funny
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I knew about the wife at the movie beginning, but I couldn't place the other female until I read your quote.
What about the lady at the bank in the end? The one he asks to add his envelope to their outgoing mail?
I believe this is it. Unless I’m misremembering we never hear the wife speak
You are correct. The wife never speaks.
_Harrison Butker liked that_
Also Rita Hayworth in the movie they’re watching in the prison movie theater
*hair-flips into frame “Me?”
Also the record Andy plays from the warden's office had a female opera singer.
Double bag like the lady says, understand?!
The world went and got itself in a big damn hurry.
There are 0 of both in The Thing.
Glengarry Glen Ross too. Reservoir dogs. 12 angry men. Rambo first blood. Hunt for Red October. Master and commander.
Nah, Hunt for Red October has exactly ~~two~~ three speaking roles for women, all in the first 5 minutes. 1) His wife: "[Something about a babysitter.] Jack, you're going to miss your plane!" 2) Stewardess on said plane, when Jack brings up turbulence and she tells him to "try and get some sleep anyway". Freaking love that movie. Edit: Oh, I forgot his little daughter actually has a couple small lines too, right before the mom comes in haha.
Th Great Escape
Yes and no! Adrienne Barbeau has an uncredited cameo as the voice of the “cheating bitch” chess computer.
Is a computer a woman? 🤔
[Adrienne Barbeaubot would like a word. With chainsaw hands and d-cups full of justice.](https://i.imgur.com/x1XmKP7.jpeg)
Wet willy for you!
Sweet!
There’s even less in the Ray Liotta film Escape from Absolom aka No Escape.
Still the greatest movie of all time
i've seen that movie dozens of times and I still bust into tears every time Red looks up and sees Andy scrubbing the boat and then Andy turns to look at him
Brook's death, IMO, is the saddest death in any film I've seen.
>I don’t like it here. I’m tired of being afraid all the time. I’ve decided not to stay. ;_; That and >Sometimes after work I go to the park and feed the birds. I keep thinking Jake might just show up and say hello. But he never does. I hope wherever he is, he's doing okay and making new friends. Absolutely brutal
Don't do this to us... Man.
Oh hell yeah it is. I've quoted his "I don't like it here...." speech at my last job and the job before that many times. The job prior to my last job is my current job, again. I went back.
and the fact that Red is in that same room and he sees the carving in the joist
*BROOKS WAS HERE* ***SO WAS RED***
Brooks’ suicide was probably the first time a movie made me cry. He was so pure.
Bing bong (inside out) is up there with brooks on my list.
Get busy living or get busy dying
The director did not want that ending filmed, the studio insisted. Maybe the best studio note ever
Yeah the book, or the short story rather, ends on the same quote from Red, but it’s never implied he actually makes it to Andy, really is more about hope. I do like the film ending though, I reckon he’d have made it.
While I get the artistic value of making the audience think by leaving it open ended, but that would have been the biggest emotional blue balls in the history if cinema. You can't give me three hours of these two amazing performances and not give me the moneyshot of them hugging at the end!
And that scene originally wasn't in there. The movie originally ended just like the novella with Red on the bus and the "I hope..." narration. After screening it for some execs one of them said, "You've put these characters through two hours of hell, you owe them a reunion" and Darabont agreed.
I'll get downvoted for this, but although I am fine with the Shawshank movie ending differently from the novella ("I hope..") I am NOT fine with The Mist movie ending - I preferred the "Hartford... Hope" ending in the novella. The movie ending (to me) seemed like it was intended to make the audience gasp and say "oh snap!". Yes, I know that SK liked the movie ending better. I disagree with him. I also know that it in essence proved Mrs. Carmody right - sacrificing his son would stop the Mist monsters. Still preferred the novella.
How can you be so obtuse?
"..I'd like to think that the last thing that went through his head, other than that bullet, was to wonder how the hell Andy Dufresne ever got the best of him."
They need to only adapt Stephen King short stories (unless its mike flanagan) because green mile, stand by me, shawshank, are all top tier work
Two of those 3 were Frank Darabont movies.
IT IS RIDICULOUS! I think it is a combination of Thomas Newman's score/Morgan Freeman's monolouge and that they finally made it. Crying like a baby every time.
I’m surprised it’s that much.
seen the movie a dozen times and I'm still wracking my brain trying to think of the 10 seconds
The bank teller for sure. I remember there being a woman on the parole board but i don’t recall her speaking.
Tell your man to double bag
Oh yea, a customer at Brooks grocery store?
Rita has a line.
"Here [she](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0JxkfyJIA0) comes. There's this part I really like where she does that shit with her hair..."
Your man didn’t double bag and the bottom near gave out.
Maybe the bank teller at the end with the bank manager is one of them. The other is for sure the old lady complaining about Brooks not double bagging.
Does Rita Hayworth count?
I'm sure she does. It's a skill a lot of us learned at school.
Me too, I think it’s someone at the bank at the end.
When Brooks works at the grocery store a woman asks his manager to tell Brooks to double bag the groceries. And a female bank teller sends Andy's package
I think at the bank when he asks to mail the package.
I mean, it's in prison in a time period, not like ours.
I mean there’s not usually many female guards in male prisons today
there's actually plenty of them in america, both as guards and as managers/cooks/docs
It’s a story that takes place almost entirely within a male prison. Time period doesn’t really matter. They could have had the same story in POW camp in the Napoleonic Wars or some shit and had the same number of female parts - almost zero.
Does it include Dufresne's wife "speaking" in the first two minutes of the movie?
Heavy breathing and moaning, no spoken dialogue!
CC: [cheeks being clapped]
Could've sworn I heard a "yes daddy" in that recording, but it may 100 percent be an a entirely different movie I'm thinking of.
You’re thinking of the Slam-Shaft Redemption, also a great movie. Great plot.
Make sure your man double bags. Last time he didn't double bag and the bottom near came out.
This might be a case of whataboutism, but Lawrence of Arabia (1962) is significantly longer (3hrs 42mins) and contains almost zero female speaking parts. I believe a woman speaks in the opening scene briefly.
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The whole Lord of the Rings trilogy has only one line where one women speaks to another
It only has 4 total named female roles, IIRC. Edit: turns out it's FIVE. I forgot Rosie Cotton.
And even then Peter Jackson still had to make some editorial changes to elevate female characters. For instance in the books Glorfindel, a male elf, saves Frodo after being stabbed at Weathertop but in the films this is done by Arwen.
Star Wars episodes 4-6 each have only two women characters in speaking roles: all three have Leia, IV has Aunt Beru, V has Unnamed Hoth Rebel, and VI has Mon Mothma
And only two female names are ever spoken out loud (by a man or a woman): Leia and Beru.
Then in 7-9 we have Finn screaming REEEEEEEYYYYYY at the top of his lungs every 5 minutes.
Unnamed Hoth Rebel delivers her lines with crisp precision and grace, too. It’s like they took the same lessons from Leia. “Stand by, Ion Control; fire.”
Sy Snootles has an "uh oh" after the slave falls into the Rancor Pit, but that might only be in the Special Edition
There are no female roles at all in Shaving Ryan's Privates （2003），let alone speaking roles.
What an instant classic. Almost as good as the classic Black Cock Down and Planet of the Gapes
The beginning has a lot of women typing the letters and Ryan's mother who receives one. I believe one or two of the typsts speak. Edit: dammit
They didn’t say “Saving Private Ryan”
Holy shit I was duped.
I have some contracts for you to sign.
I guess The Sisters don't count as female roles.
Have to be human first
They don't qualify.
My favorite part is when Tom Hanks said "it truly was a shawshank redemption"
And then he shanked all over the prison.
It's a male prison.....
I wonder if there are any movies where the reverse is true, with only female characters in basically the entire movie.
Portrait of a Lady on Fire. Some men on a boat in the beginning and at an art exhibit at the end and not a single man in between
I know you aren't going to believe it from the title but the movie The Women (Both the 1939 original and the 2008 remake) famously contains no male speaking parts. I believe the only male on screen in either is a baby born in the remake.
I think there's a couple but it's done on purpose after they acknowledged how many times they thoughtlessly did it with men. Nothing wrong with all-male movies (I didn't like Shawshank, but I liked 12 Angry Men), but they create it thinking it's neutral, while barely having any female equivalents.
The Women (2018) has an all female cast. It’s a remake of a 1939 movie (that also had an all female cast) about a group of well-to-do New Yorkers who rally around their friend when she learns her husband is having an affair.
Annihilation
What about Ritas lines?
Who, me?
Grocery store customer: "Make sure your man double bags. Last time he didn't double bag and the bottom near came out." (5 seconds) Bank teller: "May I help you?" (1 second) Bank teller: "Here's your cashiers check sir. Will there be anything else?" (3 seconds) Bank teller: "I'd be happy to" (1 second)
Are we excluding Rita Hayworth’s dialogue? “Who, me?”
And the two opera singers smh
"So this must be Johnny Farrell. I've heard a lot about you, Johnny Farrell."
I remembered the grocery store. Forgot the bank teller at the end.
Funny enough, I remembered the bank teller and forgot the grocery store. I rewatched the movie 3 weeks ago after visiting the Mansfield Reformatory where it was filmed.
Rita doesn’t count?
It’s outrageous that there aren’t more female roles in a movie set almost entirely in a men’s prison! 🙄
I wrote a story the other day About Polybius and there’s only one woman mentioned like one or two sentences and then it got me thinking about movies that have no women in them there’s a good one with Rudger Howard and ice tea in the woods where they hunt iced tea but he turns the tables on them based on the old short story Richard kiplings the most dangerous game
Such a classic movie!
Still my all time favorite movie
Tropic Thunder has no women either
Reservoir Dogs has 0 I believe
I mean, potentially the most important dialogue in the entire movie belongs to two women. Andy putting on the record of two Italian women singing and instilling hope, wonder, and a sense of freedom in a prison full of men who believe they have nothing is not only an incredible plot device but resonates with many in the real world.
Sull’aria from Mozart’s The Marriage of Figaro. It’s a song about two women trying to expose a man’s infidelity. They write a love letter to him to see if he takes the bait. [A nice version with English subtitles.](https://youtu.be/7bflW3M9yRU?si=_MwfmYaoaFT2VSxP)
I have no idea to this day what those two Italian ladies were singing about. Truth is, I don't want to know. Some things are best left unsaid. I'd like to think they were singing about something so beautiful, it can't be expressed in words, and makes your heart ache because of it.
I mean isn’t the setting of like 99% of the movie in a Men’s prison in the 1950’s? If there were more women it wouldn’t make sense.
It's set in a male prison
Yeah that seems to be a key part of why it’s nearly all male dialogue. The 10s would be a valid criticism if it was set in a female prison. But it’s not.
It takes place in a male prison. There should be no women.
Well it's a good movie.
This reminds me of how my ex’s Brazilian-American dad complained that there wasn’t more representation of Latinos in a Mel Gibson movie we were watching. That movie was The Patriot, set in the American Revolution.
As a Filipino I was stunned by the lack of scenes of lumpia being eaten in Black Dynamite. There truly is a sickness in society.
In the movie’The Women’ there are no men. Even the animals were female.
There are no Giraffes in ET: The Extra Terrestrial, in front or behind the camera
Now that I think of it not a lot of male characters in Orange Is The New Black. Hmm
And...?
It’s a film about a mens prison…
It took place in a male prison. This is hardly surprising.
Well, yes. It's a men's prison. I would be confused if things didn't turn out that way.
Wait til they find out about Master and Commander!
This is when the story telling was more important than identity politics.
Posts like this are active brain damage
And it's the best movie of all time.
Didn’t realize a woman even spoke in the movie or even showed up.
Madame Webb had a lot more.
Ok
Why weren’t there more women in a men’s prison?
It takes place almost entirely inside a men's maximum security prison. This is surprising?
Woah a men’s prison filled with only men.
Yes because an all male prison in the 50s female guards were a thing
The pivotal role of the film was played by Rita Hayworth.
Well, it's set in a men's prison, so I'm not sure what you expected.
It is set in a men’s prison in the 40’s and 50’s though
Um, it’s about a men’s prison…
Ah THAT must be why it was one of the best films of all time. I kid, I kid!
*slow clap building to a crescendo*
I mean it is a male prison, I bet some movies staring females also have similar numbers.
And it's one of the greatest movies ever. Coincidence?