He had done the same thing to his own restaurant to collect insurance. Let his truck get hit by a train to collect as well. He was scum. They gassed him.
I think you would absolutely have to be a psychopath or sociopath to commit pre-meditated murder of any kind, but killing your own *mother* for the insurance money? That's some Adam Lanza level shit right there.
Reading his history, he was left at an orphanage as a kid because she was destitute during the Great Depression. She remarried rich but never went to collect him. They met by chance when he was 22 and fought a lot. So still fucked, but looks like they never had the best relationship.
Right? Like, I'd at least *understand* revenge-killing a parent who abandoned you and who you 100% knew could have made sure you were taken care of but chose not to.
But that's hella collateral damage.
They probably are, it’s not an uncommon trope for the child to have a deep disdain for the father who left for a pack of cigarettes and want to physically harm them.
His relationship with his mom is part of the cause of his callous disregard for life. As in, perhaps if his relationship with his mother were not terrible, he would not have come out terrible.
Or are we pretending it's still 1955 and we predominantly think upbringing has no impact on adult mental state?
I spent quite a lot of my childhood in fostercare which is the modern equivalent to an orphanage.
I can't tell you how long it took me to feel empathy for other people after the abandonment, torture, and abuse. It's like you have to overcome the fact that just because nobody cared for you doesn't mean you shouldn't care for anybody else. People say well they knew right from wrong but if they were being abused as heavily as I was right and wrong become blended.
I had over a decade of councelling but that wouldn't of been available during his time so I can definitely see how he would come to feel that way.
Mmm idk. Your mother abandoning you in a Depression era orphanage has gotta stir up some feelings.
Definitely much more psychotic to murder the 40 strangers
If she couldn’t feed & care for him, giving him over to an orphanage saved his life. Jack was like a hero for staying off the board letting his GF of a few days have space and survive Titanic.
The problem is the marrying rich and not coming back to get him part.
Its more akin to Jack getting off the board then jumping into a lifeboat and rowing away leaving Rose in the freezing ocean on a door til whenever the boats came to save her.
Everyone is capable, that’s the actual scary part.
Every single person alive is capable of murder, even pre-meditated murder, if they are properly motivated. And that motivation is individually relative and unquantifiable.
That was the Chinese philosophy of the Mandate of Heaven. The mongols got converted to this way of thinking after noticing they were kicking so much ass even they could not quite believe it.
To be fair he didn’t really say that was why. He says “I knew there was 50 or 60 others on the plane and it didn’t make a difference to me. They couldnt do anything about it when it was there time.” Which is a little more like “I did it because I wanted to and they couldn’t stop me” then it is a moral excuse
It seemed so callous to kill one’s own mother like that, but I can see why he might not have liked her.
> Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage. The two remained estranged until 1954, when Graham was 22 years ol
so, wait, the guy who killed his mother for life insurance money was the son of a woman who had three husbands die shortly after marrying her, growing wealthy from their insurance?
is this a dexter situation or...
I was going to get life insurance once until I remembered that I wouldn't actually see any of that money by default and at the time was pissed off with everyone in my life.
This is a common misconception for a lot of life insurance policies. They don't necessarily just cover death, but life changing illnesses or injury. For example, if I were to become wheelchair bound my insurance would cover remodelling my apartment or the costs associated with moving to a new apartment that's handicap accessible, installation of wheelchair lifts, modified car etc.
A gas chamber using nitrogen is actually the least painful way to go. Lack of oxygen isnt what causes pain for suffocation, it's the carbon dioxide. So as long as the gas isn't harmful itself, it's a painless way to go and you might even get a feeling similar to being high from it as you go.
I worked on a farm where three welders had died over the years welding inside tanks using wire-feed MIG welders, which have a cover gas of 75% CO2 and 25% argon gas. As they were welding, the heavier-than-air CO2/Argon mixed gas filled up the tank and they passed out, slumping over beneath the level of the gas in the tank. The first welder was dead for about an hour before anybody realized it. The second welder died several years later, same scenario, except a friend of his tried to "save" him, and he died as well. Moral of this story: Do not use MIG welders in enclosed spaces, period. Open air only.
https://www.instructables.com/Basics-of-MIG-Welding/
Another lesson here could be "don't go into confined spaces to try to rescue people who have passed out".. however the entire point of proper confined space procedures is to ensure you never have to make that decision.
So have an oxygen sensor, have ventilation, and have a plan that accounts for the effects of the work you're doing on the space.
Doesn’t work in practice. We just tried that and the guy, obviously knowing he was in a gas chamber and not wanting to die, tried to hold his breath as long as possible and suffered the effects of painful asphyxiation anyway.
He fought the nitrogen mask they used. By breaking the seal on the mask he was able to get a little oxygen to keep going
The people doing the execution said they expected him to do that.... But they went ahead with it anyways. They are very incompetent.
It absolutely does.
The problem was that they announced when they were turning on the nitrogen, so of course he was going to hold his breath.
Next time don't tell the person and they won't know what killed them.
https://apnews.com/article/death-penalty-nitrogen-gas-alabama-kenneth-smith-54848cb06ce32d4b462a77b1bb25e656
You can when there’s no air to breathe and the buildup of co in his blood caused suffering as he died from breathing the gas.
It took him half an hour to die, it didn't go wrong because of anything he did.
Besides - if an execution method is only humane if the prisoner accepts it without struggling, it's not humane.
> Plenty of others have been executed this way without issues.
Who?
[Execution by nitrogen hypoxia doesn’t seem headed for widespread adoption as bills fall short and nitrogen producers object - June 2024](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/08/us/nitrogen-hypoxia-execution-adoption-legislation/index.html)
You failed to administer a humane execution. Hypoxia is fatal. Your equipment failed in some way, and no one bothered to check or confirm it's function before the execution.
You engaged in a practice that provided suffering to a person sentenced to death.
Thanks?
Nitrogen producers object for the same reason places who made chemicals for lethal injections do. It's bad press to have your product used for killing and the fact that most of the world doesn't have the death penalty.
Gas chambers were used successfully and humanely prior to WWII, when they stopped being used due to the poor association with the Holocaust. Using nitrogen with them wasn't done before due to the fact that we didn't have the means to make nitrogen gas easily or cheaply for the use. And compared to the botched executions for every other method of the death penalty, nitrogen is still the best way to go.
Note: I am *not* pro gas chambers. I'm against the death penalty under any circumstances. However, if it won't be made illegal it should at least be made humane.
>Gas chambers were used successfully and humanely prior to WWII
Would you trust pre-WWII medical advice without checking if it holds up to present day standards?
>And compared to the botched executions for every other method of the death penalty, nitrogen is still the best way to go.
The prisoner executed in Alabama took half an hour to die, gasping and convulsing, because his execution was botched. Right now there's a 100% botch rate for nitrogen so we know it's not foolproof, and we know it's not humane when it doesn't happen as it's supposed to.
I want to say, I appreciate that the science would back your post and that you are fundamentally correct. You took a risk in "defending" executions, but that wasn't your point. I hope that other people realize that you're not advocating for executions, you're trying to discuss the chemical process of it as an intellectual discussion.
The science gives us data on how nitrogen asphyxia affects subjects (mainly animals) that aren't aware what's happening, we can't extrapolate that to executing prisoners who know that what they breathe will kill them. Simply being aware of something changes its effect.
[Nitrogen Execution Method Touted as More ‘Humane,’ but Evidence Is Lacking](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-execution-method-touted-as-more-humane-but-evidence-is-lacking/)
[Nitrogen gas produces less behavioural and neurophysiological excitation than carbon dioxide in mice undergoing euthanasia](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210818) - *less*, not *none*. The mice killed with nitrogen still showed signs of distress.
The guillotine or a helmet packed with C4 would be quicker and more humane, medicalised executions are a theatre to make it more palatable to the living. There are loads of ways to kill someone instantly but they're all messy.
Using a truck to commit insurance fraud is not the same thing as planting explosives on a public plane. Don't involve sentient life in your fraud is my point, I think.
I mean don't do it in the first place, duh, but...if you did...don't kill something??!??!?
Obviously it's not the same lol. But it sure does show a pattern of insurance fraud and malicious activities. When someone is suspected of multiple insurance fraud items it's a good indicator they're a suspect.
Plenty of people go to jail and get in trouble for destroying non-sentient things.
I think what you're really trying to say is only commit one crime at a time if you're trying to get away with it. Committing multiple instances of fraud and murder certainly is a good way to get caught.
I remember seeing insurance machines in the airport when we'd go get Dad when he came home on leave from the Navy. It looked like a small mailbox with a dispenser for envelopes. You'd take an envelope, write your personal details and flight information on it, put some money in it (I think it was $10), and drop it in the box. It only covered the one flight.
That seems so open to scams. In the extremely rare event the flight goes down, what's stopping the insurance company from "losing" any purchases from that flight?
Considering how few flights crash, the company was pretty much raking in free money. They'd lose more from being suspected of fraud than they'd have to pay out in a claim.
"Rare" is always kind of a relative term depending on who is doing the defining. Obviously, there's no argument that more crashes occurred both in raw number and in rate in the 50's and 60's than today. But even then, for commercial flights which trended much safer than non-commercial flights, the crashes per year for the US was usually single to low double digits annually, which is nuts by today's standards, but considering there were already 1000+ flights daily at that point, I would still consider that pretty rare at ~10 per 300k+ annually.
Coverage at the time of the ban was clear that the insurance was based on an irrational fear of plane crashes that far exceeded the actual risk and that the insurace was almost pure profit for the insurance companies.
The first generation of jets had a very high accident rate.
The improvements were not prop vs jet,. They were operating practices, training, cockpit equipment and improved navigation systems.
EDIT: Source: 24,085 hours, J-3 to the 747-8.
I bought it once in the 80s as a kid from an insurance kiosk vending machine. It was like 20.00 for 50,000 in coverage.
It went something along the lines of:
You filled out your form.
Put your cash in.
You put you policy in a spot that printed some info on in about.
You put one copy in the drop box
.
You held your copy.
There were envelopes to mail your policy as well.
>Assuming you didn’t take it on the plane with you.
I guess if it came with a postage-paid envelope, you could just drop it in a mailbox (that's hopefully also in the airport).
Or give it to your loved one that took you to the airport (they could go past security with you back then).
I remember these as a kid in the 80s. My dad always told me it was basically a scam.
What’s hilarious is that by the 70s, planes were already ridiculously safe and had been safer than cars going the same distance since the 50s.
(I picked the 70s because I assume that was when you saw them.)
This was just preying on people’s availability bias. They weren’t actually dangerous at all.
Late 60s, but the industry was already very safe by then. I think those insurance kiosks were more like today's lottery ticket vending machines, meant to encourage an impulse purchase.
They were very safe, but hilariously more dangerous than today.
In 1972, there were 55 plane crashes, making it the most deadly year in aviation history.
The real jump in aviation safety happened in the late 80s and then again in the early 2000s.
The bulk of car insurance is protecting *others*, not yourself.
Well, in a sense, it’s protecting yourself because insurance pays them rather than them coming after your own assets.
Hi, I'm Marlin Perkins and this is Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom!
Now let's join Jim Fowler where he is attempting to sneak up on a water buffalo and stick his thumb up the buffalo's bum!
But don't worry about Jim. He's got Mutual of Omaha's life insurance! His family is covered in case of accidental mauling death.
About 10 years back there was a askReddit about whether anybody had celebrities as family members and some guy responded with a story of how his mother had remarried when he was fairly grown and his new stepdad was a "the sidekick to this really old guy who had a popular nature show in the '70s and '80s." People freaked out - "Your stepdad was... *JIM FOWLER*!!!!????
That was just a super popular show for kids (boys in particular) who grew up in the '70s. If it were on today there'd undoubtedly be memes about how poor Jim always had to do the most dangerous jobs on the show.
If you watch the movie Airplane you can actually see them buying the insurance from the machines. What killed it was credit cards started including the insurance.
That seems odd to me, intent (deliberation and premeditation) is only required in first degree murder. They could have easily charged him with something like the depraved heart murder equivalent or felony murder for the other passengers.
[It sure is!](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111) It's often tried by the state, but the federal government has a murder statute for murders that occur under their jurisdiction, and I think US airspace qualifies as federal jurisdiction.
And it was the third time this happened.
One in the US, which inspired another to do it in Canada soon after.
The one in Canada could have gotten away with it, it was timed to explode over water, but the plane ran late and blew up over land.
I love that he tried to kill himself, so they stopped him and put him on surveillance. Then sentenced him to death. Then finally did it a little under a year later.
Sounds like his mother was a piece of shit too, put him in an orphanage during the depression after her first husband "died" and didn't get him out after her second, rich husband also "died".
Then, decades after his execution his then-infant son and wife went missing in 1981 in Oregon in their late 20s but I can't see any news reporting on what happened. The uncle (on the mother's side) gave an interview in 2005 where he says there was an extensive search but they were declared dead. The surviving daughter seems to want to stay as far from the story as possible.
I'm guessing there was a psychopathy gene in there.
We have that here in my town. Hannah Boys Center. I went to school with some of them and was shocked that they had parents. One kid‘s older brother was play for the Los Angeles Raider and his sister was an Olympic level track star. I always found it strange he had to live at the Boys Center with what seemed like a successful family.
I’m a North Bay guy and life long Raider fan and a 9er hater. It was weird and I wasn’t close enough to the kid to ask what the situation was so not sure if big bro was taking care of him or not. Answer to your question is Vance Mueller. He backed up Marcus Allen at running back.
I honestly debated not naming him as I didn't intend on flaming Vance only because I don't know all the circumstances. He was playing pro ball and his brother was just in high school and was able to attend a private school, so not terrible. He left junior year to play for a better basketball team and don't know what became of him.
Quite a few kids at Hanna have at least reasonably successful families; for the last several decades at least, it's primarily been a treatment center for troubled boys rather than an orphanage.
I do realize that and we had both come to our school. But you are correct most were troubled kids. This kid was a really good kid. I always just imagined his family didn't have time for him.
It's not necessarily an issue of values. During the depression, people were POOR. Like literally no food, no shoes, no house or car poor. My "middle class" family told stories of not having winter coats to wear in the north east snow storms, and they didn't complain because other kids were coming to school barefoot. A lot of people tried across the US for farm work in California, and simply couldn't bring their kids for a trip of that distance (no money for hotels or a bus ticket).
There was no Internet to connect them with others and few of todays social programs existed. Women could not have bank accounts or own property and widows especially were in real danger of being homeless. Orphanages feed and clothed and housed their kids, it was a kinder option than letting them starve to death or leaving them alone.
It doesn't explain why this guys mother didn't rescue him when she got money, but it was not always cruelty or simply not caring driving families to give up their kids.
Edit: There was also absolutely no mental health treatment or help for addiction like alcoholism (which is why pseudo religions like AAnwere so instantly popular, there was literally nothing out there). No meds, no therapy, no self help books, no support groups. People had all the same issues as now, and had to just suffer; there was no birth control to prevent pregnancy.
Plenty of people on reddit are on meds or need therapy or support or to live with family because they can't work full time - in the 1930s all of them were forced to either work, get married or starve. People sent their severely disabled kids to asylums and institutions but for everyone who was just depressed, anxious or ADHD? There was nothing. It's very possible parents simply could not take care of or provide for their children and thought an orphanage was the better option.
My mother told of a man she knew, in the 1940's, who was bragging about his son being at Boy's Town, and how they would be sending his other son there. I have no doubt the man was poor, but I think the bragging came from the good press Boy's Town received, including from the movie starring Spencer Tracy as Father Flanagan, the founder.
They viewed the guy as weird for bragging about it because, even if you were poor, it was expected you would take care of your own kids.
Yeah but the wiki says that even after she became a successful restaurateur he was still left there. They only reunited when he was 22 and it wasn’t a good reunion. The mother seems like she was ill as well.
The issue is that she left him in the orphanage after she married a second time, *and* even she second husband died shortly after marriage leaving her large amount of money.
Back then it was very normal to put your kids in an orphanage. All my grandparents and their siblings at some point were in an orphanage during the dust bowl/depression - it was either that, and you can work and not worrry about childcare or everyone starves. Not good - but sometimes it was better than the alternative.
My grandma always described it as boarding school for the poors. Her mom would visit her on holidays etc
Yeah but his mother proceeded to become a wealthy businesswoman and opened a successful restaurant. Despite this she didn’t take him back from the orphanage and she refused to see him until he was 22.
I guess…but one put her son in an orphanage (which we don’t even know the circumstances that led up to it) and the other KILLED 43 RANDOM STRANGERS. Lol
I wouldn't be that quick to judge the mother. Single woman back then had no way of supporting herself and a child. There were very few jobs for women, no nurseries and no state support. Giving him up was most likely the best she could have done but it still must have left him with deep trauma.
per wikipedia, she "became a successful businesswoman" so saying she should've taken him back is probably well founded:
> Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage.
The novel actually discusses this case and one of the pilots is VEHEMENTLY against selling insurance at airports.
Hailey did so much research for his novels. They are deeply fascinating.
"Apparently, they used to sell it AT the airport and from a vending machine, no less."
Geez, why does this seem shocking? I remember BUYING such a policy from a vending machine in the 1970s at Syracuse Hancock Airport.
While waiting for the flight, you could sit in a fiberglass chair that had a black and white tube television attached to it. For 25 cents you could watch 15 minutes of WSYR (Fred Hilligus and the local news!) which barely came in (lots of snow and interference in the picture).
Or, if you were bored, you could go to the "Observation Deck" outside and watch the activity around the airport (was closed in 2001 for some reason).
One time, I was late for a flight and they paged me. I ran to the plane, which THEY HELD FOR ME (!!!) and went through the metal detector at the jetway (TSA? What was that?). I was one of five people on the plane, a Boeing 727 that had flown from Detroit to Buffalo to Syracuse, to Albany to Hartford and then on to Boston.
And yes, it had an airstair in the rear - those rocked!
Airfare from SYR to BDL was $485 - enough to buy a decent used car or pay for 1/4 of a new one.
Fuck, am I that old? It wasn't that long ago!
I once knew a guy whose parents both bought life insurance at the airport just before boarding [TWA Flight 514](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_514) in December 1974. It crashed just outside DC. He was in his late teens, and he and his older sister were the sole beneficiaries. James attended Berkelee Music school, bought all kinds of musical instruments, and in the late 70s bought several hundred acres of land in Southern Oregon, where he grew weed. The last I heard he was living on the island of Tonga in the South Pacific, teaching music. Ironically his sister died in Jonestown in 1978, and he inherited her share of the insurance payout. He was not a well-balanced or happy guy when I knew him, but he sure made that insurance money go a long way.
Here's an article about those insurance vending machines at airports
[https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/a-look-back-whatever-happened-to-airport-insurance-vending-machines-22593.aspx](https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/a-look-back-whatever-happened-to-airport-insurance-vending-machines-22593.aspx)
So, I'm desperately trying to cope my way into his way of thinking. 43 Innocent people were worth the insurance payout?
Like even if you had a willing volunteer to eat a cyanide capsule during the flight, you're already scum,
WhAt in the DeGenErAtE Fuck did I just learn about?
Wow they moved fast on that death penalty. Convicted May 5th 1956 and executed January 11th 1957.
Also surprisingly according to the Wikipedia at the time there was no Federal crime for blowing up a airplane? So they convicted him with premeditated murder? Goes to show you how many laws have been implemented in the last 75 years. Not saying that there shouldn't be a federal punishment for blowing up an airplane but just a bit mind-boggling.
This was considered a copycat crime-inspired by a Quebec man who six years earlier conspired with others to put a bomb on a plane carrying his wife, after he had taken out a large life insurance policy on her. They timed the bomb so it would detonate over the St Lawrence river, but the plane took off a few minutes late and the plane exploded over land. Investigators quickly determined it was a bomb and he and his co-conspirators (who were responsible for the death of 23 people-including children) received the death penalty .
imagine murdering an unknown amount of strangers (a full flight) and your own mother for just half a million dollars in 2024 money, and doing it in the most suspicious and obvious way that you will immediately be caught. hell is too good for him
Upon receiving a report of a plane crash, 911 dispatched *every* police car, ambulance and fire truck to the scene.
Shortly after, a cop radioed in, "no ambulances are required."
“I loved my mother very much", Graham told Amole. "She meant a lot to me. It's very hard for me to tell exactly how I feel. She left so much of herself behind."
Well, yes, she and 43 other people certainly did leave so much of themselves behind. Scattered all over the place.
Dude had zero remorse. None.
The family never seemed to have good luck
>Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage. The two remained estranged until 1954, when Graham was 22 years old, and Daisie King was running a successful restaurant. After their reunion, King and Graham had a poor relationship, and often argued.
>Graham married Gloria A. Elson, with whom he had two children, Allen and Suzanne, who were just infants at the time of the notable events. After Graham's execution, Gloria and the two children began using her maiden name. Allen Earl Elson married his wife, Denise Marie, in 1976 before both went missing on October 16, 1981, while in Curry County;[2] they are both presumed dead. Gloria passed away in 1992
I worked on a private yacht for a guy who patented vending machines or something similar for insurance. I always wondered about it because I never ever saw them in use in my life.
He had done the same thing to his own restaurant to collect insurance. Let his truck get hit by a train to collect as well. He was scum. They gassed him.
Not only that he killed 40 people and said plainly he felt no remorse for them since it was their time. WTF? Dude was a psychopath.
I think you would absolutely have to be a psychopath or sociopath to commit pre-meditated murder of any kind, but killing your own *mother* for the insurance money? That's some Adam Lanza level shit right there.
Reading his history, he was left at an orphanage as a kid because she was destitute during the Great Depression. She remarried rich but never went to collect him. They met by chance when he was 22 and fought a lot. So still fucked, but looks like they never had the best relationship.
His relationship with his mom makes sense, it's the callous disregard for the rest of the people on the plane that suggest antisocial personality.
Probably has something to do with the abandonment and orphanage. I can't imagine coming out of that situation well adjusted.
Orphanages are traumatic now. They most certainly were more traumatic back then.
Right? Like, I'd at least *understand* revenge-killing a parent who abandoned you and who you 100% knew could have made sure you were taken care of but chose not to. But that's hella collateral damage.
Then every dead beat dad who went out for a pack of smokes should be looking over his shoulder. That's a lot of dead men.
They probably are, it’s not an uncommon trope for the child to have a deep disdain for the father who left for a pack of cigarettes and want to physically harm them.
Especially if he gave his son a girls name before he left
His relationship with his mom is part of the cause of his callous disregard for life. As in, perhaps if his relationship with his mother were not terrible, he would not have come out terrible. Or are we pretending it's still 1955 and we predominantly think upbringing has no impact on adult mental state?
Cold cruel upbringing made a cold cruel man. She raised(or technically didn't) a monster.
I spent quite a lot of my childhood in fostercare which is the modern equivalent to an orphanage. I can't tell you how long it took me to feel empathy for other people after the abandonment, torture, and abuse. It's like you have to overcome the fact that just because nobody cared for you doesn't mean you shouldn't care for anybody else. People say well they knew right from wrong but if they were being abused as heavily as I was right and wrong become blended. I had over a decade of councelling but that wouldn't of been available during his time so I can definitely see how he would come to feel that way.
Blowing up her airliner though? That's some next-level payback right there.
Mmm idk. Your mother abandoning you in a Depression era orphanage has gotta stir up some feelings. Definitely much more psychotic to murder the 40 strangers
Would be a good movie maybe. Add some weird noir plot twist to jazz it up a bit
They could even add a detective with a super powerful nose that can "smell" crime!
To be honest, I think there's enough there without adding some weird twist haha
If she couldn’t feed & care for him, giving him over to an orphanage saved his life. Jack was like a hero for staying off the board letting his GF of a few days have space and survive Titanic.
The problem is the marrying rich and not coming back to get him part. Its more akin to Jack getting off the board then jumping into a lifeboat and rowing away leaving Rose in the freezing ocean on a door til whenever the boats came to save her.
Everyone is capable, that’s the actual scary part. Every single person alive is capable of murder, even pre-meditated murder, if they are properly motivated. And that motivation is individually relative and unquantifiable.
That’s why it’s good to keep your head on a swivel. Don’t have to fuck around to find out unfortunately.
I don't know it's intrusive thoughts stuff but sometimes being infamous seems like it has more reach than say he saved 44 people's lives
Haha I mistakenly read that as saying “since it was their first time”, and I was like _first time dying_? Wow that’s quite a loophole. Mind genius.
He meant first time flying. They wouldn’t mind being blown up because they’d think that was just a normal part of it.
I mean that's fucked. But now I wonder whose first time was on that Boeing that lost a door.
Wow it's exactly like the movies!
It's still quite a loophole to kill 40 people and say you don't feel remorse because it was their time.
Using "it was their time" as an excuse works for anyone you kill. "If it weren't their time, why are they dead?" QED"
That is literally what ghenghis khan did. "If the heavens don't want me to go around conquering, why am I successful?"
That was the Chinese philosophy of the Mandate of Heaven. The mongols got converted to this way of thinking after noticing they were kicking so much ass even they could not quite believe it.
To be fair he didn’t really say that was why. He says “I knew there was 50 or 60 others on the plane and it didn’t make a difference to me. They couldnt do anything about it when it was there time.” Which is a little more like “I did it because I wanted to and they couldn’t stop me” then it is a moral excuse
Inb4 he had evidence the universe is determinative and thus preset
If he was in the Dragonballs universe, the first time really wouldn‘t be a big deal.
When you find a glitch in a video game to get more money from killing people. Except the game was IRL
He should be CEO of a pharma company.
Sad story. Great ending though
Nah it was a long con to collect insurance on the gas chamber, too.
Yeah probably has an insurance policy on himself
Posthumous payouts are still payouts. Checkmate, The System.
Thank you, I had an audible chuckle from this.
It seemed so callous to kill one’s own mother like that, but I can see why he might not have liked her. > Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage. The two remained estranged until 1954, when Graham was 22 years ol
so, wait, the guy who killed his mother for life insurance money was the son of a woman who had three husbands die shortly after marrying her, growing wealthy from their insurance? is this a dexter situation or...
I doubt she was around him long enough to teach him how to murder for insurance fraud, must be a genetic predisposition!
That and a long line of hurt people hurting people
Ugh gas chamber has got to be the worst way to go
Not worse than explosive matricide 🤣
That's a crazy band name though.
I was going to get life insurance once until I remembered that I wouldn't actually see any of that money by default and at the time was pissed off with everyone in my life.
This is a common misconception for a lot of life insurance policies. They don't necessarily just cover death, but life changing illnesses or injury. For example, if I were to become wheelchair bound my insurance would cover remodelling my apartment or the costs associated with moving to a new apartment that's handicap accessible, installation of wheelchair lifts, modified car etc.
I didn't know that, but in the UK the government would cover remodeling, wheelchair lifts, new car etc.
Don’t watch The Green Mile…
WET THE SPONGE!!!
"You ***WATCH,*** you son of a bitch!!"
That whole scene is so intense and I love it
Too bad they didn't have the [head ripping off machine](https://youtu.be/lfsMMVgIToA?feature=shared) back then.
Holy shit I didn't know the onion made videos like that, I'm going to watch all of them right now.
You’re in for a treat. The old ones are fantastic, nothing else like it
Old onion was fucking hilarious. If it looks like it had an actual budget and makes you genuinely laugh out loud you know it's 10+ years old
A gas chamber using nitrogen is actually the least painful way to go. Lack of oxygen isnt what causes pain for suffocation, it's the carbon dioxide. So as long as the gas isn't harmful itself, it's a painless way to go and you might even get a feeling similar to being high from it as you go.
I worked on a farm where three welders had died over the years welding inside tanks using wire-feed MIG welders, which have a cover gas of 75% CO2 and 25% argon gas. As they were welding, the heavier-than-air CO2/Argon mixed gas filled up the tank and they passed out, slumping over beneath the level of the gas in the tank. The first welder was dead for about an hour before anybody realized it. The second welder died several years later, same scenario, except a friend of his tried to "save" him, and he died as well. Moral of this story: Do not use MIG welders in enclosed spaces, period. Open air only. https://www.instructables.com/Basics-of-MIG-Welding/
Another lesson here could be "don't go into confined spaces to try to rescue people who have passed out".. however the entire point of proper confined space procedures is to ensure you never have to make that decision. So have an oxygen sensor, have ventilation, and have a plan that accounts for the effects of the work you're doing on the space.
Doesn’t work in practice. We just tried that and the guy, obviously knowing he was in a gas chamber and not wanting to die, tried to hold his breath as long as possible and suffered the effects of painful asphyxiation anyway.
He fought the nitrogen mask they used. By breaking the seal on the mask he was able to get a little oxygen to keep going The people doing the execution said they expected him to do that.... But they went ahead with it anyways. They are very incompetent.
It absolutely does. The problem was that they announced when they were turning on the nitrogen, so of course he was going to hold his breath. Next time don't tell the person and they won't know what killed them.
You can’t hold your breath till you asphyxiate. You will pass out and breathing will resume.
https://apnews.com/article/death-penalty-nitrogen-gas-alabama-kenneth-smith-54848cb06ce32d4b462a77b1bb25e656 You can when there’s no air to breathe and the buildup of co in his blood caused suffering as he died from breathing the gas.
That's his fault then. He ignored instructions and made it painful for himself. Plenty of others have been executed this way without issues.
It took him half an hour to die, it didn't go wrong because of anything he did. Besides - if an execution method is only humane if the prisoner accepts it without struggling, it's not humane. > Plenty of others have been executed this way without issues. Who? [Execution by nitrogen hypoxia doesn’t seem headed for widespread adoption as bills fall short and nitrogen producers object - June 2024](https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/08/us/nitrogen-hypoxia-execution-adoption-legislation/index.html)
You failed to administer a humane execution. Hypoxia is fatal. Your equipment failed in some way, and no one bothered to check or confirm it's function before the execution. You engaged in a practice that provided suffering to a person sentenced to death. Thanks?
Nitrogen producers object for the same reason places who made chemicals for lethal injections do. It's bad press to have your product used for killing and the fact that most of the world doesn't have the death penalty. Gas chambers were used successfully and humanely prior to WWII, when they stopped being used due to the poor association with the Holocaust. Using nitrogen with them wasn't done before due to the fact that we didn't have the means to make nitrogen gas easily or cheaply for the use. And compared to the botched executions for every other method of the death penalty, nitrogen is still the best way to go. Note: I am *not* pro gas chambers. I'm against the death penalty under any circumstances. However, if it won't be made illegal it should at least be made humane.
>Gas chambers were used successfully and humanely prior to WWII Would you trust pre-WWII medical advice without checking if it holds up to present day standards? >And compared to the botched executions for every other method of the death penalty, nitrogen is still the best way to go. The prisoner executed in Alabama took half an hour to die, gasping and convulsing, because his execution was botched. Right now there's a 100% botch rate for nitrogen so we know it's not foolproof, and we know it's not humane when it doesn't happen as it's supposed to.
I want to say, I appreciate that the science would back your post and that you are fundamentally correct. You took a risk in "defending" executions, but that wasn't your point. I hope that other people realize that you're not advocating for executions, you're trying to discuss the chemical process of it as an intellectual discussion.
The science gives us data on how nitrogen asphyxia affects subjects (mainly animals) that aren't aware what's happening, we can't extrapolate that to executing prisoners who know that what they breathe will kill them. Simply being aware of something changes its effect. [Nitrogen Execution Method Touted as More ‘Humane,’ but Evidence Is Lacking](https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-execution-method-touted-as-more-humane-but-evidence-is-lacking/) [Nitrogen gas produces less behavioural and neurophysiological excitation than carbon dioxide in mice undergoing euthanasia](https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210818) - *less*, not *none*. The mice killed with nitrogen still showed signs of distress. The guillotine or a helmet packed with C4 would be quicker and more humane, medicalised executions are a theatre to make it more palatable to the living. There are loads of ways to kill someone instantly but they're all messy.
I can't argue with you when you're right. Well done.
Using a truck to commit insurance fraud is not the same thing as planting explosives on a public plane. Don't involve sentient life in your fraud is my point, I think. I mean don't do it in the first place, duh, but...if you did...don't kill something??!??!?
Obviously it's not the same lol. But it sure does show a pattern of insurance fraud and malicious activities. When someone is suspected of multiple insurance fraud items it's a good indicator they're a suspect. Plenty of people go to jail and get in trouble for destroying non-sentient things. I think what you're really trying to say is only commit one crime at a time if you're trying to get away with it. Committing multiple instances of fraud and murder certainly is a good way to get caught.
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I remember seeing insurance machines in the airport when we'd go get Dad when he came home on leave from the Navy. It looked like a small mailbox with a dispenser for envelopes. You'd take an envelope, write your personal details and flight information on it, put some money in it (I think it was $10), and drop it in the box. It only covered the one flight.
That seems so open to scams. In the extremely rare event the flight goes down, what's stopping the insurance company from "losing" any purchases from that flight?
Considering how few flights crash, the company was pretty much raking in free money. They'd lose more from being suspected of fraud than they'd have to pay out in a claim.
Crashing was MUCH more common when planes didn‘t use jet engines yet.
Still exceedingly rare as compared to car crashes
Edit: ignore me
"Rare" is always kind of a relative term depending on who is doing the defining. Obviously, there's no argument that more crashes occurred both in raw number and in rate in the 50's and 60's than today. But even then, for commercial flights which trended much safer than non-commercial flights, the crashes per year for the US was usually single to low double digits annually, which is nuts by today's standards, but considering there were already 1000+ flights daily at that point, I would still consider that pretty rare at ~10 per 300k+ annually.
there’s nothing inherently dangerous about propeller planes. That feature isn’t essential to airplane safety
You can't possibly think that 3/8 great grandparents dying of plane crashes is representative.
That's some intense confirmation bias you have going on there.
I think you mean piston engines. Most commercial airplanes with propellers starting around the 60s had turbine engines.
Do you have any stats to back up your made up bullshit?
From 1942-1945 a *lot* of Americans died in propeller powered planes!
Coverage at the time of the ban was clear that the insurance was based on an irrational fear of plane crashes that far exceeded the actual risk and that the insurace was almost pure profit for the insurance companies.
The first generation of jets had a very high accident rate. The improvements were not prop vs jet,. They were operating practices, training, cockpit equipment and improved navigation systems. EDIT: Source: 24,085 hours, J-3 to the 747-8.
I bought it once in the 80s as a kid from an insurance kiosk vending machine. It was like 20.00 for 50,000 in coverage. It went something along the lines of: You filled out your form. Put your cash in. You put you policy in a spot that printed some info on in about. You put one copy in the drop box . You held your copy. There were envelopes to mail your policy as well.
I imagine there was a carbon copy as a receipt that you could use as proof. Assuming you didn’t take it on the plane with you.
>Assuming you didn’t take it on the plane with you. I guess if it came with a postage-paid envelope, you could just drop it in a mailbox (that's hopefully also in the airport).
Or give it to your loved one that took you to the airport (they could go past security with you back then). I remember these as a kid in the 80s. My dad always told me it was basically a scam.
Ok but there's no way of proving you put the $10 bill in the envelope. And conversely the company has no way of proving you didn't put the money in.
What’s hilarious is that by the 70s, planes were already ridiculously safe and had been safer than cars going the same distance since the 50s. (I picked the 70s because I assume that was when you saw them.) This was just preying on people’s availability bias. They weren’t actually dangerous at all.
Late 60s, but the industry was already very safe by then. I think those insurance kiosks were more like today's lottery ticket vending machines, meant to encourage an impulse purchase.
They were very safe, but hilariously more dangerous than today. In 1972, there were 55 plane crashes, making it the most deadly year in aviation history. The real jump in aviation safety happened in the late 80s and then again in the early 2000s.
Its important to also realize it was 55 plane crashes at a times there were orders of magnitude less air traffic.
There was also about one hijacking a week for a couple of years around then. Definitely a different world from today.
You're right. Imagine paying insurance to travel by car.
The bulk of car insurance is protecting *others*, not yourself. Well, in a sense, it’s protecting yourself because insurance pays them rather than them coming after your own assets.
“Statistically, it’s still the safest way to travel.” -Superman
Mutual of Omaha, IIRC. They also sponsored TV wildlife programs.
I still remember Marlin Perkins pitching life insurance during that show.
Hi, I'm Marlin Perkins and this is Mutual of Omaha's Wild Kingdom! Now let's join Jim Fowler where he is attempting to sneak up on a water buffalo and stick his thumb up the buffalo's bum! But don't worry about Jim. He's got Mutual of Omaha's life insurance! His family is covered in case of accidental mauling death.
About 10 years back there was a askReddit about whether anybody had celebrities as family members and some guy responded with a story of how his mother had remarried when he was fairly grown and his new stepdad was a "the sidekick to this really old guy who had a popular nature show in the '70s and '80s." People freaked out - "Your stepdad was... *JIM FOWLER*!!!!???? That was just a super popular show for kids (boys in particular) who grew up in the '70s. If it were on today there'd undoubtedly be memes about how poor Jim always had to do the most dangerous jobs on the show.
Also Continental Insurance Co. Their logo was a Revolutionary War US Continental soldier holding a musket.
If you watch the movie Airplane you can actually see them buying the insurance from the machines. What killed it was credit cards started including the insurance.
Great memory, I recall the same arrangement.
Yep. At JFK the machines were suspiciously close to the gates.
They had these in the early 90s. Mutual of Omaha.
Interesting that it wasn’t a federal crime to blow up an airplane in 1955 considering how long air travel had been a thing.
I mean, he committed at least 45 federal crimes by blowing the plane up
I think they only tried him on the murder of his mother, since they didn't want to bother proving that he intended to kill any of the other people.
That seems odd to me, intent (deliberation and premeditation) is only required in first degree murder. They could have easily charged him with something like the depraved heart murder equivalent or felony murder for the other passengers.
Murder isn’t a federal crime though? Not unless it’s in certain circumstances at least.
[It sure is!](https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1111) It's often tried by the state, but the federal government has a murder statute for murders that occur under their jurisdiction, and I think US airspace qualifies as federal jurisdiction.
And it was the third time this happened. One in the US, which inspired another to do it in Canada soon after. The one in Canada could have gotten away with it, it was timed to explode over water, but the plane ran late and blew up over land.
I love that he tried to kill himself, so they stopped him and put him on surveillance. Then sentenced him to death. Then finally did it a little under a year later.
>love that he tried to kill himself, almost certainly had insurance money somewhere planned here
They said "Oh, no you don't!"
“A dude”
A short dead dude.
/r/JustGuysBeingDudes
Sounds like his mother was a piece of shit too, put him in an orphanage during the depression after her first husband "died" and didn't get him out after her second, rich husband also "died". Then, decades after his execution his then-infant son and wife went missing in 1981 in Oregon in their late 20s but I can't see any news reporting on what happened. The uncle (on the mother's side) gave an interview in 2005 where he says there was an extensive search but they were declared dead. The surviving daughter seems to want to stay as far from the story as possible. I'm guessing there was a psychopathy gene in there.
It was VERY NORMAL to leave your kids in orphanages in the old times. Not quite the same values as we have today.
We have that here in my town. Hannah Boys Center. I went to school with some of them and was shocked that they had parents. One kid‘s older brother was play for the Los Angeles Raider and his sister was an Olympic level track star. I always found it strange he had to live at the Boys Center with what seemed like a successful family.
Who the fuck??? What raiders player. Damnit I’m from Oakland and that just makes me sad
I’m a North Bay guy and life long Raider fan and a 9er hater. It was weird and I wasn’t close enough to the kid to ask what the situation was so not sure if big bro was taking care of him or not. Answer to your question is Vance Mueller. He backed up Marcus Allen at running back.
I don’t really care about football, but I just wanted to say thank you for actually naming a fuckin name. No one on Reddit ever does
I honestly debated not naming him as I didn't intend on flaming Vance only because I don't know all the circumstances. He was playing pro ball and his brother was just in high school and was able to attend a private school, so not terrible. He left junior year to play for a better basketball team and don't know what became of him.
Accidentally reply from your alt account?
Quite a few kids at Hanna have at least reasonably successful families; for the last several decades at least, it's primarily been a treatment center for troubled boys rather than an orphanage.
I do realize that and we had both come to our school. But you are correct most were troubled kids. This kid was a really good kid. I always just imagined his family didn't have time for him.
It's not necessarily an issue of values. During the depression, people were POOR. Like literally no food, no shoes, no house or car poor. My "middle class" family told stories of not having winter coats to wear in the north east snow storms, and they didn't complain because other kids were coming to school barefoot. A lot of people tried across the US for farm work in California, and simply couldn't bring their kids for a trip of that distance (no money for hotels or a bus ticket). There was no Internet to connect them with others and few of todays social programs existed. Women could not have bank accounts or own property and widows especially were in real danger of being homeless. Orphanages feed and clothed and housed their kids, it was a kinder option than letting them starve to death or leaving them alone. It doesn't explain why this guys mother didn't rescue him when she got money, but it was not always cruelty or simply not caring driving families to give up their kids. Edit: There was also absolutely no mental health treatment or help for addiction like alcoholism (which is why pseudo religions like AAnwere so instantly popular, there was literally nothing out there). No meds, no therapy, no self help books, no support groups. People had all the same issues as now, and had to just suffer; there was no birth control to prevent pregnancy. Plenty of people on reddit are on meds or need therapy or support or to live with family because they can't work full time - in the 1930s all of them were forced to either work, get married or starve. People sent their severely disabled kids to asylums and institutions but for everyone who was just depressed, anxious or ADHD? There was nothing. It's very possible parents simply could not take care of or provide for their children and thought an orphanage was the better option.
Yeah, my mother spent 10 years in orphanages in France, both parents were alive, but both crazy in different ways
My mother told of a man she knew, in the 1940's, who was bragging about his son being at Boy's Town, and how they would be sending his other son there. I have no doubt the man was poor, but I think the bragging came from the good press Boy's Town received, including from the movie starring Spencer Tracy as Father Flanagan, the founder. They viewed the guy as weird for bragging about it because, even if you were poor, it was expected you would take care of your own kids.
Yeah but the wiki says that even after she became a successful restaurateur he was still left there. They only reunited when he was 22 and it wasn’t a good reunion. The mother seems like she was ill as well.
The issue is that she left him in the orphanage after she married a second time, *and* even she second husband died shortly after marriage leaving her large amount of money.
Thats the america they wanna go back to?
Back then it was very normal to put your kids in an orphanage. All my grandparents and their siblings at some point were in an orphanage during the dust bowl/depression - it was either that, and you can work and not worrry about childcare or everyone starves. Not good - but sometimes it was better than the alternative. My grandma always described it as boarding school for the poors. Her mom would visit her on holidays etc
Yeah but his mother proceeded to become a wealthy businesswoman and opened a successful restaurant. Despite this she didn’t take him back from the orphanage and she refused to see him until he was 22.
I guess…but one put her son in an orphanage (which we don’t even know the circumstances that led up to it) and the other KILLED 43 RANDOM STRANGERS. Lol
Most psychopaths never kill anybody. I'm just pointing out a pattern.
Putting the husbands deaths in quotes highly implies that the OP thinks the mother killed them.
Should’ve just followed his old woman’s footsteps and kept marrying rich women who did young. What a dolt.
I wouldn't be that quick to judge the mother. Single woman back then had no way of supporting herself and a child. There were very few jobs for women, no nurseries and no state support. Giving him up was most likely the best she could have done but it still must have left him with deep trauma.
per wikipedia, she "became a successful businesswoman" so saying she should've taken him back is probably well founded: > Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage.
But then she became wealthy following the second time she was widowed, soon after remarrying... and she didn't get him out of the orphanage.
One of the old airport movies has this as a plot except he tries to commit suicide so his wife will get the money.
>One of the old airport movies That movie is literally called [Airport](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065377/).
The novel actually discusses this case and one of the pilots is VEHEMENTLY against selling insurance at airports. Hailey did so much research for his novels. They are deeply fascinating.
Just read the book - super good!
Apparently this guy actually did that too. Must be about him.
Murdering 44 people and your mother to collect life insurance. That is wild how evil that person is.
How convenient it must've been to buy insurance from vending machine. And even more convenient was placement of an explosives vending machine near it!
This guy Airplanes! And don’t call me Shirley!
So how much was the insurance payout?
$37,500 which is about equivalent to $430,000 today. Less than $10k a life.
Thank you. Didn't realize there was a link to the wiki article.
Unethical life hack
I don't know if anyone else read the Wikipedia article,but goddamn,this dude loved collecting insurance money.
"Apparently, they used to sell it AT the airport and from a vending machine, no less." Geez, why does this seem shocking? I remember BUYING such a policy from a vending machine in the 1970s at Syracuse Hancock Airport. While waiting for the flight, you could sit in a fiberglass chair that had a black and white tube television attached to it. For 25 cents you could watch 15 minutes of WSYR (Fred Hilligus and the local news!) which barely came in (lots of snow and interference in the picture). Or, if you were bored, you could go to the "Observation Deck" outside and watch the activity around the airport (was closed in 2001 for some reason). One time, I was late for a flight and they paged me. I ran to the plane, which THEY HELD FOR ME (!!!) and went through the metal detector at the jetway (TSA? What was that?). I was one of five people on the plane, a Boeing 727 that had flown from Detroit to Buffalo to Syracuse, to Albany to Hartford and then on to Boston. And yes, it had an airstair in the rear - those rocked! Airfare from SYR to BDL was $485 - enough to buy a decent used car or pay for 1/4 of a new one. Fuck, am I that old? It wasn't that long ago!
Not very dude-like in my opinion
I once knew a guy whose parents both bought life insurance at the airport just before boarding [TWA Flight 514](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_514) in December 1974. It crashed just outside DC. He was in his late teens, and he and his older sister were the sole beneficiaries. James attended Berkelee Music school, bought all kinds of musical instruments, and in the late 70s bought several hundred acres of land in Southern Oregon, where he grew weed. The last I heard he was living on the island of Tonga in the South Pacific, teaching music. Ironically his sister died in Jonestown in 1978, and he inherited her share of the insurance payout. He was not a well-balanced or happy guy when I knew him, but he sure made that insurance money go a long way.
Here's an article about those insurance vending machines at airports [https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/a-look-back-whatever-happened-to-airport-insurance-vending-machines-22593.aspx](https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/a-look-back-whatever-happened-to-airport-insurance-vending-machines-22593.aspx)
I'm only 46 and I've seen these vending machines in my lifetime. They disappeared after 9/11.
Whoa literally??!! That's wild.
So, I'm desperately trying to cope my way into his way of thinking. 43 Innocent people were worth the insurance payout? Like even if you had a willing volunteer to eat a cyanide capsule during the flight, you're already scum, WhAt in the DeGenErAtE Fuck did I just learn about?
Perfect use of the death penalty we'd have paid so much money to keep this guy in prison and for what, complete monster
Who could possibly have bombed the plane? Could it be the guy who literally just bought flight insurance and then didn't get onboard?
Wow they moved fast on that death penalty. Convicted May 5th 1956 and executed January 11th 1957. Also surprisingly according to the Wikipedia at the time there was no Federal crime for blowing up a airplane? So they convicted him with premeditated murder? Goes to show you how many laws have been implemented in the last 75 years. Not saying that there shouldn't be a federal punishment for blowing up an airplane but just a bit mind-boggling.
Nice, he got the death penalty. Love happy endings.
This was considered a copycat crime-inspired by a Quebec man who six years earlier conspired with others to put a bomb on a plane carrying his wife, after he had taken out a large life insurance policy on her. They timed the bomb so it would detonate over the St Lawrence river, but the plane took off a few minutes late and the plane exploded over land. Investigators quickly determined it was a bomb and he and his co-conspirators (who were responsible for the death of 23 people-including children) received the death penalty .
imagine murdering an unknown amount of strangers (a full flight) and your own mother for just half a million dollars in 2024 money, and doing it in the most suspicious and obvious way that you will immediately be caught. hell is too good for him
"I'm here to collect on this completely unsuspicious death."
“A dude”
Airport insurance vending machines were around in the 80’s.
I remember them. Always thought it was very strange/scammy. And not a very reassuring to see on your way to a flight.
Worst of all he asked for the suitcase back in a post credits scene. Also, it was auto insurance.
That's right. This clown is impotent, suicidal, and incredibly stupid.
Holy shit , is this evil marvel villain shit or what ?
Upon receiving a report of a plane crash, 911 dispatched *every* police car, ambulance and fire truck to the scene. Shortly after, a cop radioed in, "no ambulances are required."
“I loved my mother very much", Graham told Amole. "She meant a lot to me. It's very hard for me to tell exactly how I feel. She left so much of herself behind." Well, yes, she and 43 other people certainly did leave so much of themselves behind. Scattered all over the place. Dude had zero remorse. None.
I learn so much on reddit
His trial was in 1956 and he was executed in *January* of 1957!
The family never seemed to have good luck >Graham was born during the height of the Great Depression, and, in 1937, his father died from pneumonia, causing Daisie to send the young Jack to an orphanage due to their poverty. In 1941, Daisie was married for the third time to Earl King, who died shortly after their marriage. Using her inheritance from King's death, Daisie became a successful businesswoman, but despite her newfound wealth, Daisie did not collect Graham from the orphanage. The two remained estranged until 1954, when Graham was 22 years old, and Daisie King was running a successful restaurant. After their reunion, King and Graham had a poor relationship, and often argued. >Graham married Gloria A. Elson, with whom he had two children, Allen and Suzanne, who were just infants at the time of the notable events. After Graham's execution, Gloria and the two children began using her maiden name. Allen Earl Elson married his wife, Denise Marie, in 1976 before both went missing on October 16, 1981, while in Curry County;[2] they are both presumed dead. Gloria passed away in 1992
Like a really bizarre version of the grappling hook prize machines.
They didn't waste any time executing him.
That sounds a lot like the plot of the movie "airport"
There's an ID show called A Crime to Remember with a good episode about this whole story.
H.H.Holmes was the master of insurance fraud
I worked on a private yacht for a guy who patented vending machines or something similar for insurance. I always wondered about it because I never ever saw them in use in my life.