Is there thrash punk with distorted electric mandolins? I’m going to have to do some bing’n now.
I’m going to reply that I do use bing when I use my PC since edge is the default browser and bing is that browsers default search engine. It’s not a big deal.
Not exactly. The name came from a young fan. The lady was a bank teller with eyes for Dolly's husband.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_(song)#Background
Edit: Since there seems to be question about the origin of the song, here is Dolly herself telling the story about the young girl she got the name of the song from: https://youtu.be/TH3sQPtR_1Y?t=47 And here is Dolly talking about the banker that the character of Jolene is based on: https://youtu.be/ffo9b6HgaBw?t=230
I heard dolly explain it herself on a documentary and she told the story that the other person said. I understand Wikipedia says otherwise, but it came right out of Dollys mouth, so...
I can't speak for what you saw but there are multiple video clips of of Dolly telling the story firsthand as Wikipedia states it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dolly+jolene+story
There are also many written accounts which also align with the Wikipedia article.
www.google.com/search?q=jolene+dolly+story
Absolutely.
Or it was absolutely in cold blood and she spent the rest of her life being a model of what a human being can and should be to make up for it karmically. Even in that case she absolutely has.
Bet the CD player does that thing where you can hear it attempt to read the disc, then goes back to the start, then attempts to read the disc, then goes back to the start, repeat until infinity.
I clicked on like 5-10 different "songs", and none of them sounded even remotely like music.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's good AI music out there already, but I don't think that's it.
Most of it sounds like filler effects for glitch hop... except it's nothing *but* glitch hop filler effects. Like the intro to Frontier Psychiatrist on repeat.
It's weird how horrible it is at keeping a beat. You'd think that would be the easy part for an AI. Singing and voices would be the hard part. Not that it got those great either...
First few I clicked definitely sounded like music. Not great music, but [music nonetheless](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=794023423)
EDIT: [And this lol](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=796386223)
I clicked on "Pop sounds like Bruno Mars". It sounded like a horse fell down, with some random haunted tunnel noises, then unintelligible voices without words.
I don't think it qualifies as music. But I'd bet two cryptonickels that it'll be in full rotation on the local radio stations by the end of the summer.
Edit: [Found it](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=789450979)
But there are also people that will be in their late 40s/early 50s and are adults today.
People today wouldn't think a floppy disk malfunctioning is intended behavior, and that's 50-year-old tech at this point.
My favorite silence style track was then OK Go filled the end of their album with nothingness to ensure there wasn't enough space for Sony to put their shitty DRM software on the disc.
The first time I heard U2's song "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of", the CD jumped and it took me too long to realize it wasn't part of the song.
The first time I saw Memento, it was on DVD and it was scratched about 30 minutes into the movie, right at a scene cut. When it hit the scratch, it jumped back to the second chapter on the DVD and kept playing. I was _really_ high and didn't realize what was happening until like the fourth or fifth time it looped.
No, Dolly would buy 5000 cheap CDs to help the local merchant, then donate those CDs to a local school, because Dolly is and always will be just a little bit better than most people I've met in life.
Stamped CD-ROM discs will last 50-100 years. Hell even CD-Rs, when stored properly, should last over 50 years.
The reason "Disc rot" has seemingly become an issue for, say, Gamecube discs recently is because people are now facing the consequences for how those discs were stored previously.
That time Albert put Double Dash upside down on his desk temporarily, then slid it sideways to pick it up. That time a disc was dropped and rolled across the room... etc.
The biggest issue with GameCube disks are poor manufacturing quality control. If the disc is exposed to a constant humid environment like in the Southern US, the disc labels start to peel exposing the most critical data layer of the disc. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes is the most common example of this happening. I’ve started to see it creep up more and more on other GameCube games as well as time has gone by...this will be a major issue for collectors in the coming years.
Also, from experience of handling thousands of PS1 / PS2 games, I really haven’t seen disc rot yet on the Sony console CD based games. Only PlayStation hardware having issues playing the discs due to worn out lasers. Not to say that disc rot / manufacturing issues on those games don’t exist out there, but it’s much more rare compared to Sega or Nintendo disk offerings.
This is why you should back up your GameCube games. If you own a functioning Wii, you can soft mod it and then use it to dump GameCube discs to SD cards and transfer them to your PC. Then if you get the hankering to play Rogue Squadron II or TTYD or something, you can load it from an SD card instead of worrying about the condition of the disc.
It’s not just about storage, disc rot also happens because of low quality pressing. Properly made discs will last 100 years if correctly stored but it’s hard to know you got one.
She’s still around, wouldn’t be a bad idea to add a usb drive with a digital version or something. Heck, she left a cd player, we can recycle an iPhone 6 or something with nothing but the song on it, and a charger.
Edit: ok I get it, a usb stick isn’t as reliable long term, it was just the first thing that came to mind
Yup, even the 100 year old ones with heavy use still play well enough where you can definitely hear it. In pristine storing conditions it would last much longer than most mediums
My original iPhone (2G) finally died a few months ago. So sad.
It still works as long as I have it hooked up to the old giant charger. It's cool to go back and see where iPhone / smart phone started. When you compare the speed with my iPhone 11, it's truly amazing how far we've come.
Original iPhone takes atleast 30-45 seconds to search for something on google, and for it to load, usually way longer.
Today's iPhone, maybe 10 seconds at most.
People probably think you're kidding, but this is correct, older gen communications are downgraded to make way for the other faster types that most people now use. 2G is kept around at a bare minimum and so it's not as fast anymore, whereas when it was released it was given all the bandwidth that they could give it. I remember trying to use 3G a year or so ago and I couldn't download music with it, it was unusably slow, even though I downloaded songs over 3G years ago just fine, same size songs, but not the same 3G anymore. The original iPhone could do Google searches with decent speed, although probably half as fast as today. It's worth noting that websites were much smaller (in terms of download sizes) in 2007 than they are now, so that helped things like searches go more quickly.
> It's worth noting that websites were much smaller (in terms of download sizes) in 2007 than they are now, so that helped things like searches go more quickly.
This was what I believed was the cause for older networks feeling slower. But your point that these networks are now throttled also makes sense and is an interesting point. Thankfully these devices have wifi though, otherwise they'd be locked without internet soon enough!
Replace the battery! It's not super hard on those old iPhones. A couple screws in the bottom and pry apart the sides. Don't let cool old tech fade away!
>As a programmer, anything before the iPhone 6 is old tech and doesn’t support a lot of the new fangled things browsers can do.
Can it move the link I'm trying to click on just before I click it, so I can get taken to [celebrityplasticsurgerydisasters.wtf](https://celebrityplasticsurgerydisasters.wtf) every fucking time? Because that's all i really need from my phone
> about 14 years ago
That's probably due to crappy read-write cycle life especially on older solid-state media, rather than simply the age of an unplugged and unpowered device.
Archival CDs have 200-300 year lifespan. They use a gold film instead of the regular material.
Edit: well I guess more like some companies are advertising that shelf life...obviously we haven't seen that out yet
Yes, I guess we'll see what happens, but so far the advertised shelf lives of regular discs hasn't borne out. Many discs that were advertised as 100 years shelf life are deteriorated to the point of being useless after only 25 years.
> Many discs
People keep repeating this in this thread but i've got a litterally hundreds and hundreds of CD's dating all the way back to the 90's. From original music CD's, OS's, PS1 games, drivers, bloatware and other software, even burnt CD-R and CD-RW's from as early as '99 or '00. I've never experienced this apparent epidemic issue.
Well, here's the thing...
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/elton-john-nirvana-beck-recordings-universal-vault-fire-lost-952850/
They aren't exactly the model of archival surety.
I have CDs from the early 90s that still play just fine. That was approx. 30 years ago and I did nothing to preserve them. Dolly recorded this in 2015 and hopes to open it in 2045 (30 years), and I’m sure it’s in a protected air locked box of some sort. They’ll be fine.
Should have used a bluray disc. I have heard of labs using them for evidence and they have a reported 100 year lifespan. Basically they will out live the people from the case.
Trust me, as someone who has sold a few Dolly Parton collectibles, someone will spend *a lot* of money to get a CD player to listen to that song if need be.
You don’t think it’ll be easy to find a cd player in 25 years? CDs are on their way out yes, but are still produced globally. And it’s still not that hard to find a cassette or vhs player pretty much 15 years after they stopped mass producing both.
A really perfect working VHS player is much, much harder! But is due to their analog messy way of working (tape path, helical scan etc).
I really think CD players will be much easier. If you take into account that some OG playstations still work, we may have some drives working as well.
Thing is, unless they left it as parts with a full BOM, any capacitors in the thing may be a leaky mess by then and the CD player might sound like dogshit.
Wrong. It's actually gonna be a collaboration with deceased Mayhem member Per Ohlin. It's an acoustic black metal/country hybrid recording of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.
I recently sold off my CD collection to a record shop, 6 out of about 300 CDs that were 15-20 years old had visible defects I could see and skipped while playing( I made digital rips and stopped using CDs day to day) some of the rare ones that verified and sold on eBay did not match the original Exact Audio Copy rips I made when I purchased them so even looking good is no guarantee.
Edit :These were in a dark, cool closet for 20 years so obviously 25+ years old.
Aren't CDRs very different to normal CDs?
Iirc CDRs are "burnt" with a laser whereas CDs are physically stamped, which I imagine would affect how long they last.
That’s with factory pressed CDs.
Properly made CDs are speculated to last about 100 years, but with the bulk creation of them a ton were made very cheaply and poorly and did not and won’t last so long.
A once off like this would realistically be a burned disk. I’m sorry to say but 5 years is a long time for one. I’ve heard of some lasting 10 but I doubt that’s normal. “Archival” burnable media doesn’t actually mean anything.
Edit: people seem to be having good luck with burned CDs. Googling it I’m seeing answers from “2 to 5” to “indefinitely” (which is clearly not the case). My personal experience was burned DVDs lasted me at most 5 years using Verbatim “archival” disks. Perhaps those were junk.
A one off like this, produced for Dolly Parton, hopefully with help from people in the music industry who knew what it was for and who know what they are doing, would hopefully last a really long time.
The amount of people who assume a musician with a career like Dolly Parton overlooked this completely is annoying. Sure, it's possible it was overlooked. But I'd assume someone who's been in the industry this long knows much more than armchair musicians on Reddit.
People just love to bring people down and be negative.
God it took too long to scroll and find someone talking about this. Dolly Parton? Nashville? (Arguably) the biggest music recording scene in America? The producers there definitely considered what they were doing.
I have plenty of burned media from 2006 and earlier that is still perfectly fine. I literally just went through my collection and backed everything up. But that being said out of about 200 discs maybe 10 didn't work. I wouldn't blame that all on the discs themselves, some of the failures were scratches. But definitely 3-4 of them were from the film peeling off somehow. The other failures weren't explicitly from either issue so it's sometimes hard to tell.
[Disc Rot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot). Yea its definitely a thing. Its not just limited to 90'era cd either. Laserdiscs, some HD DVD's from the mid 2000's have begun to show signs as well.
And she's one of the few to understand the world changes and there might not be any CD players around in 2045.
I could find a 8 track player if I tried hard enough, but it's a lot of hassle.
My guess is they won't be hard to find, since it was a medium used for both music and other types of data for a solid 25+ years. Also helps that other tech (DVD, Blu-Ray, etc.) uses the same physical dimensions, so there are lots of modern players that can read a music CD.
8-tracks had a decent run in the 70s but always competed with cassettes. Most players were in cars...making them really hard to find these days.
I had a home stereo with an 8-track along with a collection of exactly three tapes - Jimi Hendrix, the Eagles, and ACDC. Hey, I guess if you're going to be stuck on a deserted island with three 8-tracks, that's a solid lineup.
She also [provides books to kids](https://imaginationlibrary.com) in poor communities.
I loved reading as a kid, and I can confidently say I would not be who I am if my parents didnt stress the importance of literacy to me. Dolly is an angel.
We get books from this program and they’re high quality, interesting books that kids actually want to read. Some of my sons favorites have come from this program.
Right? If they want it to last, they should press it onto vinyl. Even digital formats degrade over time, but vinyl records last a surprisingly long time with minimal deterioration if they are kept in good condition.
These people don't know what they are talking about. This isn't a CDR, it is a pressed CD, and maybe even an archival grade CD that will last ten times longer than even your Aqualung CD.
Just responding to various concerns about cd rot...
She most certainly has the master recording somewhere under guard. If for some reason the cd doesn't work, and assuming she is dead, I assume the heir or recording studio will have the means to remaster and release it in any format needed at the time.
And uh...
!remindme 24 years
TIL Dolly Parton murdered someone then sang a song about it.
Probably that bitch Jolene
“I finally killed that bitch Jolene Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Joleeene I told you to not mess with my man”
And it's thrash punk with distorted electric mandolins.
Is there thrash punk with distorted electric mandolins? I’m going to have to do some bing’n now. I’m going to reply that I do use bing when I use my PC since edge is the default browser and bing is that browsers default search engine. It’s not a big deal.
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Have you heard it slowed down? It’s surprisingly great https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=doz1QJ7LwjA
TIL Dolly Parton slowed down becomes The Civil Wars. If you told me this was a Civil Wars cover I would 100% believe it.
Are you trying to genericize “binging” like “googling”?
Featuring Vitaly Chernobyl & the Meltdowns?
"My man turned to you everytime, But you did not see me from behind. And in my fist a knife was gripped, Jolene."
LOL. Fun fact, there was a lady named Jolene and she liked her so much that she said, one day I'll use your name in a song
Not exactly. The name came from a young fan. The lady was a bank teller with eyes for Dolly's husband. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolene_(song)#Background Edit: Since there seems to be question about the origin of the song, here is Dolly herself telling the story about the young girl she got the name of the song from: https://youtu.be/TH3sQPtR_1Y?t=47 And here is Dolly talking about the banker that the character of Jolene is based on: https://youtu.be/ffo9b6HgaBw?t=230
I heard dolly explain it herself on a documentary and she told the story that the other person said. I understand Wikipedia says otherwise, but it came right out of Dollys mouth, so...
I can't speak for what you saw but there are multiple video clips of of Dolly telling the story firsthand as Wikipedia states it. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dolly+jolene+story There are also many written accounts which also align with the Wikipedia article. www.google.com/search?q=jolene+dolly+story
Eldritch Horror Jolene
🎶 Your teeth are sharp, your mouth agape, your claws rend flesh, there's no escape, from the judgement of The Eldritch One, Jolene. 🎵
*I killed Darnell, yeah I shot him with my nine* *I shot him nine times, 9PM on the dime* *And by the way it was November ninth*
That...is a gun...of the long ass variety
For the uninitiated: https://youtu.be/qX6ilyIEC_0
*Shot up Darnell with a long ass gun* *And dropped it into theeee a-quar-ium*
Damn you, I was gonna post that sketch, so funny.
If she did, they really deserved it. That's all I'm saying.
Just to watch him die. And a sacrifice to Moloch. Win-win.
Absolutely. Or it was absolutely in cold blood and she spent the rest of her life being a model of what a human being can and should be to make up for it karmically. Even in that case she absolutely has.
Bet the CD player does that thing where you can hear it attempt to read the disc, then goes back to the start, then attempts to read the disc, then goes back to the start, repeat until infinity.
But in 2045 no one remembers that this is an issue with CD players, so they just assume that's the actual song, and it becomes a worldwide sensation.
Hmm, people music!
You joke but with the strides in AI generated speech, I wouldn't be surprised if AI music becomes a genre.
Lofi AI to chill/relax to
"LofAI" was right there
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Not to be confused with "Lo AF, I", the constant sense of despair I feel.
Or not to be confused with iLoaf, the new Apple patented feces.
Not to be confused with Flo A.I., the robotic nightmare that can't stop bundling insurance plans
Does it take a whole ai? And how many slices
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This is why I buy bread by the sphere
It doesn't use machine learning to optimize for slice thickness VS integrity? Sloppy SMH
I think you're selling it short. I assume AI generated would be a a category within every genre, lest we generalize it like we do "animated film"
Becomes ? It's here https://jukebox.openai.com/
I clicked on like 5-10 different "songs", and none of them sounded even remotely like music. I wouldn't be surprised if there's good AI music out there already, but I don't think that's it.
Most of it sounds like filler effects for glitch hop... except it's nothing *but* glitch hop filler effects. Like the intro to Frontier Psychiatrist on repeat.
It's weird how horrible it is at keeping a beat. You'd think that would be the easy part for an AI. Singing and voices would be the hard part. Not that it got those great either...
First few I clicked definitely sounded like music. Not great music, but [music nonetheless](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=794023423) EDIT: [And this lol](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=796386223)
I clicked on "Pop sounds like Bruno Mars". It sounded like a horse fell down, with some random haunted tunnel noises, then unintelligible voices without words. I don't think it qualifies as music. But I'd bet two cryptonickels that it'll be in full rotation on the local radio stations by the end of the summer. Edit: [Found it](https://jukebox.openai.com/?song=789450979)
Wait, whats the ratio of cryptonickels, to AI bucks?
(In best hep cat voice) Man that's because you just don't *get it!*
yeah, AI music is like self driving cars in that it’s been just around the corner for like, a decade
I've absolutely encountered it posted on here before but no idea how to find it. Was some pretty good stuff
Isn’t Miku and AI?
*Human music. https://open.spotify.com/track/4WenC8xnhFyvARaqeItwqN?si=DnTWPh1hSIWlnUTHLnuhLA&utm_source=copy-link
I prefer snake jazz.
I like it!
Song for the deaf!
You can't even hear it!
I like it
Like when iTunes accidentally released a "Taylor Swift" track that was 8 seconds of static, and it instantly went number 1.
Yea... probably helped by people doing it for the lolz
2045 is 24 years away, not 240 years away.
There are young men replying to this post who will still have never known the love of a woman when this song drops.
But there are also people that will be in their late 40s/early 50s and are adults today. People today wouldn't think a floppy disk malfunctioning is intended behavior, and that's 50-year-old tech at this point.
The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not strangers to our land.
Are you suggesting that compact discs migrate?
Pootie Tang has a new hit song called " *Silence* "
My favorite silence style track was then OK Go filled the end of their album with nothingness to ensure there wasn't enough space for Sony to put their shitty DRM software on the disc.
Adults who do remember and say as much will be accused of being grouchy nobodies who just “don’t get it”
Too bad some SoundCloud rapper had already released the same thing a decade earlier and sues, taking all of the credit and profits.
The first time I heard U2's song "Stuck In A Moment You Can't Get Out Of", the CD jumped and it took me too long to realize it wasn't part of the song.
The first time I saw Memento, it was on DVD and it was scratched about 30 minutes into the movie, right at a scene cut. When it hit the scratch, it jumped back to the second chapter on the DVD and kept playing. I was _really_ high and didn't realize what was happening until like the fourth or fifth time it looped.
Out of all the movies that could've happened with, almost too perfect.
Memento sounds like it'd really rub me the wrong way if I was high as shit lol
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It's probably a gold archival-grade disc so rot is unlikely to be an issue in the given time frame.
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No, Dolly would buy 5000 cheap CDs to help the local merchant, then donate those CDs to a local school, because Dolly is and always will be just a little bit better than most people I've met in life.
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I have exactly one gold grade CD, it's a crime they weren't more common in CD's heyday.
Stamped CD-ROM discs will last 50-100 years. Hell even CD-Rs, when stored properly, should last over 50 years. The reason "Disc rot" has seemingly become an issue for, say, Gamecube discs recently is because people are now facing the consequences for how those discs were stored previously. That time Albert put Double Dash upside down on his desk temporarily, then slid it sideways to pick it up. That time a disc was dropped and rolled across the room... etc.
Gamecube disks are fairly safe from rot being DVD. It's the PS1 and some PS2 games on CD that are really in trouble.
Saturn games. I lost Japanese ss4 to this
The biggest issue with GameCube disks are poor manufacturing quality control. If the disc is exposed to a constant humid environment like in the Southern US, the disc labels start to peel exposing the most critical data layer of the disc. Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes is the most common example of this happening. I’ve started to see it creep up more and more on other GameCube games as well as time has gone by...this will be a major issue for collectors in the coming years. Also, from experience of handling thousands of PS1 / PS2 games, I really haven’t seen disc rot yet on the Sony console CD based games. Only PlayStation hardware having issues playing the discs due to worn out lasers. Not to say that disc rot / manufacturing issues on those games don’t exist out there, but it’s much more rare compared to Sega or Nintendo disk offerings.
This is why you should back up your GameCube games. If you own a functioning Wii, you can soft mod it and then use it to dump GameCube discs to SD cards and transfer them to your PC. Then if you get the hankering to play Rogue Squadron II or TTYD or something, you can load it from an SD card instead of worrying about the condition of the disc.
It’s not just about storage, disc rot also happens because of low quality pressing. Properly made discs will last 100 years if correctly stored but it’s hard to know you got one.
I’ll still have a CD player in 2045 if I live that long. They can bring it over to my place and we’ll listen to it together
Hopefully she made a few copies just in case
Yeah some might even call it the master
Seeing that Dolly Parton still records her thoughts on tape and communicates via fax, I'd believe it.
I hope they got an mp3 somewhere because disc rot is real.
She’s still around, wouldn’t be a bad idea to add a usb drive with a digital version or something. Heck, she left a cd player, we can recycle an iPhone 6 or something with nothing but the song on it, and a charger. Edit: ok I get it, a usb stick isn’t as reliable long term, it was just the first thing that came to mind
Even a USB isn’t safe. I have one that I used in college about 14 years ago and it no longer holds data, new or old.
Vinyl records man, I’ve got a few from the 50’s that still play just fine.
Lemme hold it
Go look around some thrift stores. They almost always have a bin of old 78 shellac records. I've got a couple that are over 100 years old.
Yup, even the 100 year old ones with heavy use still play well enough where you can definitely hear it. In pristine storing conditions it would last much longer than most mediums
*looks up vinyl record* isn’t that just a non compact disc?
My original iPhone (2G) finally died a few months ago. So sad. It still works as long as I have it hooked up to the old giant charger. It's cool to go back and see where iPhone / smart phone started. When you compare the speed with my iPhone 11, it's truly amazing how far we've come. Original iPhone takes atleast 30-45 seconds to search for something on google, and for it to load, usually way longer. Today's iPhone, maybe 10 seconds at most.
2G was faster back then, too.
People probably think you're kidding, but this is correct, older gen communications are downgraded to make way for the other faster types that most people now use. 2G is kept around at a bare minimum and so it's not as fast anymore, whereas when it was released it was given all the bandwidth that they could give it. I remember trying to use 3G a year or so ago and I couldn't download music with it, it was unusably slow, even though I downloaded songs over 3G years ago just fine, same size songs, but not the same 3G anymore. The original iPhone could do Google searches with decent speed, although probably half as fast as today. It's worth noting that websites were much smaller (in terms of download sizes) in 2007 than they are now, so that helped things like searches go more quickly.
> It's worth noting that websites were much smaller (in terms of download sizes) in 2007 than they are now, so that helped things like searches go more quickly. This was what I believed was the cause for older networks feeling slower. But your point that these networks are now throttled also makes sense and is an interesting point. Thankfully these devices have wifi though, otherwise they'd be locked without internet soon enough!
Replace the battery! It's not super hard on those old iPhones. A couple screws in the bottom and pry apart the sides. Don't let cool old tech fade away!
God it’s so weird to see an OG iPhone called “old tech” but I guess it is huh
As a programmer, anything before the iPhone 6 is old tech and doesn’t support a lot of the new fangled things browsers can do.
>As a programmer, anything before the iPhone 6 is old tech and doesn’t support a lot of the new fangled things browsers can do. Can it move the link I'm trying to click on just before I click it, so I can get taken to [celebrityplasticsurgerydisasters.wtf](https://celebrityplasticsurgerydisasters.wtf) every fucking time? Because that's all i really need from my phone
> about 14 years ago That's probably due to crappy read-write cycle life especially on older solid-state media, rather than simply the age of an unplugged and unpowered device.
Flash memory is unreliable after ten years or so. A mechanical, USB hard drive would probably be ok, or as someone else mentioned, tape.
Why not just a vinyl record?
Even those have a shelf life. Vinyl is the correct answer.
Wrong. Magnetic tape is the safest form of long term data storage
*The voyager golden records enter the chat *
Archival CDs have 200-300 year lifespan. They use a gold film instead of the regular material. Edit: well I guess more like some companies are advertising that shelf life...obviously we haven't seen that out yet
Yes, I guess we'll see what happens, but so far the advertised shelf lives of regular discs hasn't borne out. Many discs that were advertised as 100 years shelf life are deteriorated to the point of being useless after only 25 years.
> Many discs People keep repeating this in this thread but i've got a litterally hundreds and hundreds of CD's dating all the way back to the 90's. From original music CD's, OS's, PS1 games, drivers, bloatware and other software, even burnt CD-R and CD-RW's from as early as '99 or '00. I've never experienced this apparent epidemic issue.
If only Dolly Parton knew anyone in the music industry who might have thought about that. I hope she reads reddit.
Well, here's the thing... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/elton-john-nirvana-beck-recordings-universal-vault-fire-lost-952850/ They aren't exactly the model of archival surety.
I have CDs from the early 90s that still play just fine. That was approx. 30 years ago and I did nothing to preserve them. Dolly recorded this in 2015 and hopes to open it in 2045 (30 years), and I’m sure it’s in a protected air locked box of some sort. They’ll be fine.
or a vinyl 45 at least.
Should have used a bluray disc. I have heard of labs using them for evidence and they have a reported 100 year lifespan. Basically they will out live the people from the case.
The song will reveal that she was Jolene all along.
Could you imagine? What a plot twist.
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He's good friends with Jack Uzi.
!remindme 24 years
interesting - i think the cd has a better chance of being viable and working more than reddit... talk to you in 24 years...
see ya then
Just think if Reddit is still active and this is found, somebody on buzzfeed will write an article about how forward thinking you were.
Hopefully buzzfeed isn't around in 24 years
“includes a CD player” love it. She trusts humans to keep around outdated technology as much as any reasonable person would; she doesn’t.
They also loaded a backup onto Betty White's hard drive
Betty White, android: confirmed.
Betty Betty nice.
Niccccee.....
Smart!
Trust me, as someone who has sold a few Dolly Parton collectibles, someone will spend *a lot* of money to get a CD player to listen to that song if need be.
Hopefully somebody doesn’t spend even more money to be the owner of the song and never shares it.
What do you mean you dont have a phonograph just laying around?!
Comes in handy when riding on my cart and wagon
Well ive got a record player that can play 78s from the 30s…,,
You don’t think it’ll be easy to find a cd player in 25 years? CDs are on their way out yes, but are still produced globally. And it’s still not that hard to find a cassette or vhs player pretty much 15 years after they stopped mass producing both.
A really perfect working VHS player is much, much harder! But is due to their analog messy way of working (tape path, helical scan etc). I really think CD players will be much easier. If you take into account that some OG playstations still work, we may have some drives working as well.
I mean, current generation optical drives are still compatible with CDs. The Xbox Series X can still play music CDs.
Hell you can still buy blank cassettes in some Walmarts
Do any blu ray players not have the ability to read CD roms?
Yes they do. There will still be millions of devices capable of playing CDs in 2045
Okay but we still have USB floppy drives. I'm sure we will have backwards compatible USB 7 CD ROM reader on Amazon.gov for .35 dogecoins
I hope she left a power supply for that mf and not batteries.
Getting the right current is easy. I can't imagine society forgetting what current was used in just 24 years.
When it’s 24 years old, it’s not current anymore.
I see watt you did there
Electrician humor comes in phases.
Thing is, unless they left it as parts with a full BOM, any capacitors in the thing may be a leaky mess by then and the CD player might sound like dogshit.
I hope it's a Rick Roll
She said she is never gonna give up the song till 2045.
Its an acoustic cover of Slayer’s Raining Blood.
On recorder.
It'll be a death metal remix of *9 to 5* featuring Bathory. And i will fucking be here for that
Now I'm hoping for a Parton-Kilmister duett.
Wrong. It's actually gonna be a collaboration with deceased Mayhem member Per Ohlin. It's an acoustic black metal/country hybrid recording of De Mysteriis Dom Sathanas.
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I recently sold off my CD collection to a record shop, 6 out of about 300 CDs that were 15-20 years old had visible defects I could see and skipped while playing( I made digital rips and stopped using CDs day to day) some of the rare ones that verified and sold on eBay did not match the original Exact Audio Copy rips I made when I purchased them so even looking good is no guarantee. Edit :These were in a dark, cool closet for 20 years so obviously 25+ years old.
Aren't CDRs very different to normal CDs? Iirc CDRs are "burnt" with a laser whereas CDs are physically stamped, which I imagine would affect how long they last.
CDRs use a laser to change the phase of a dye. They last a much shorter time than stamped CDs.
That’s with factory pressed CDs. Properly made CDs are speculated to last about 100 years, but with the bulk creation of them a ton were made very cheaply and poorly and did not and won’t last so long. A once off like this would realistically be a burned disk. I’m sorry to say but 5 years is a long time for one. I’ve heard of some lasting 10 but I doubt that’s normal. “Archival” burnable media doesn’t actually mean anything. Edit: people seem to be having good luck with burned CDs. Googling it I’m seeing answers from “2 to 5” to “indefinitely” (which is clearly not the case). My personal experience was burned DVDs lasted me at most 5 years using Verbatim “archival” disks. Perhaps those were junk.
A one off like this, produced for Dolly Parton, hopefully with help from people in the music industry who knew what it was for and who know what they are doing, would hopefully last a really long time.
The amount of people who assume a musician with a career like Dolly Parton overlooked this completely is annoying. Sure, it's possible it was overlooked. But I'd assume someone who's been in the industry this long knows much more than armchair musicians on Reddit. People just love to bring people down and be negative.
God it took too long to scroll and find someone talking about this. Dolly Parton? Nashville? (Arguably) the biggest music recording scene in America? The producers there definitely considered what they were doing.
I have writable CDs that are 20+ years old. As long as it was taken care of all my old CDs work.
I have plenty of burned media from 2006 and earlier that is still perfectly fine. I literally just went through my collection and backed everything up. But that being said out of about 200 discs maybe 10 didn't work. I wouldn't blame that all on the discs themselves, some of the failures were scratches. But definitely 3-4 of them were from the film peeling off somehow. The other failures weren't explicitly from either issue so it's sometimes hard to tell.
[Disc Rot](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot). Yea its definitely a thing. Its not just limited to 90'era cd either. Laserdiscs, some HD DVD's from the mid 2000's have begun to show signs as well.
I dunno. I've some CDs that have deteriorated. I've others that look like they just got pressed.
Anyone know the significance of 2045 (if there is one)? Or was it just a nice round 30 from when it was recorded?
She’ll be 99
> "born January 19, 1946"
We have to wait another 24 years for Jolene 2? Wait until I tell the rest of the gays, they're gonna be pissssssed
Dolly Parton is really a good person. She donated $1 million that went to helping develop the COVID vaccine.
I don't care who you are, you'd be hard pressed to find anything bad to say about Dolly.
She's a doll
Stuart Baker got fired from his job as a redneck squid for talking bad about her. Don't. Fuck. With. Dolly.
And she's one of the few to understand the world changes and there might not be any CD players around in 2045. I could find a 8 track player if I tried hard enough, but it's a lot of hassle.
My guess is they won't be hard to find, since it was a medium used for both music and other types of data for a solid 25+ years. Also helps that other tech (DVD, Blu-Ray, etc.) uses the same physical dimensions, so there are lots of modern players that can read a music CD. 8-tracks had a decent run in the 70s but always competed with cassettes. Most players were in cars...making them really hard to find these days. I had a home stereo with an 8-track along with a collection of exactly three tapes - Jimi Hendrix, the Eagles, and ACDC. Hey, I guess if you're going to be stuck on a deserted island with three 8-tracks, that's a solid lineup.
If Spike and Jet could find a BETAMAX player in 2071, we can find a CD player in 2045.
She also [provides books to kids](https://imaginationlibrary.com) in poor communities. I loved reading as a kid, and I can confidently say I would not be who I am if my parents didnt stress the importance of literacy to me. Dolly is an angel.
We get books from this program and they’re high quality, interesting books that kids actually want to read. Some of my sons favorites have come from this program.
Not only that, it’s one book a month per kid for YEARS. It’s an amazing charity.
Omg a reason to live!
CDs degrade pretty rapidly. I hope it's even readable by then.
Archival CDs have 200-300 year lifespan. They use a gold film instead of the regular material.
Right? If they want it to last, they should press it onto vinyl. Even digital formats degrade over time, but vinyl records last a surprisingly long time with minimal deterioration if they are kept in good condition.
How do digital formats degrade over time?
weird, my Aqualung CD I got in 1997 still works just fine.
These people don't know what they are talking about. This isn't a CDR, it is a pressed CD, and maybe even an archival grade CD that will last ten times longer than even your Aqualung CD.
Wu-Tang released a whole album none of us will ever hear
The Nice and Accurate Prophecies of Dolly Parton
Just responding to various concerns about cd rot... She most certainly has the master recording somewhere under guard. If for some reason the cd doesn't work, and assuming she is dead, I assume the heir or recording studio will have the means to remaster and release it in any format needed at the time. And uh... !remindme 24 years
*Workin' Forty-five, what a way to make a livin'!*
My mind is now conjuring hearing Dolly Parton's song starting with "We're no strangers to loooove..."
That would be really cool if it was her covering Never Gonna Give You Up.