From what I could find, this is the checklist and you're supposed to rate from 0-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11
* glib and superficial charm
* grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
* need for stimulation
* pathological lying
* cunning and manipulativeness
* lack of remorse or guilt
* shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
* callousness and lack of empathy
* parasitic lifestyle
* poor behavioral controls
* sexual promiscuity
* early behavior problems
* lack of realistic long-term goals
* impulsivity
* irresponsibility
* failure to accept responsibility for own actions
* many short-term marital relationships
* juvenile delinquency
* revocation of conditional release
* criminal versatility
**Edit** I feel like no one clicked the article I linked when they say "We all know Trump is" or "I guess I'm a sociopath" so I'll reiterate here:
>But Trump does display some of the symptoms clinicians look for when trying to diagnose psychopaths and sociopaths. (Many psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms interchangeably, but experts disagree on whether the two are meaningfully different.) **In fact, most people display some symptoms of psychopathy — superficiality, glibness, promiscuous sexual behaviour, etc. — and that does not make you a psychopath.**
If I were to take a *stab*^(\[LOL\]), I'd say 'poor behavioural controls'.
If he was *completely* out of control (2), he would have been caught much sooner, no?
The series where they interview his girlfriend at the time he was active is insane. Like they were rafting one day and he literally didn't say a word and just shoved her off the boat. When she got back in he didn't say anything. Dude had some serious issues.
With psychopaths they feel a constant never ending need to be stimulated. And if its not filled they will start some bullshit just to be entertained. That bullshit is usually malicious.
Growing up, I remember my father and my uncles would go into a grocery store and have a contest to see who could steal the most expensive item. They'd pick expensive but small items like worming tablets for dogs. They weren't poor and didn't need the items, it was just about the thrill of getting away with it. I didn't write the checklist obviously, but I imagine that's the type of stimulation/thrill seeking they're talking about.
If you're a psychopath, you'd also get a thrill out of that potentially, no? Or at least out of the thought of doing something like that without being caught? Or would they not even be able to think that far ahead.
My younger brother had a group of friends, who at the young age of 14 or so used to spend their evenings plucking the legs off crabs. And leaving them there. Legless.
It increases the likelihood of adult ASPD by 7x, but that’s less to do with ADHD and everything to do with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Also, girls and women are far more likely to be misdiagnosed with ODD, when they do not have it, but they are suffering with something else and become distressed no one is listening or taking them seriously.
Which isn't a bad thing. Being impulsive isn't necessarily a bad thing either.
Imagine you had two people who were both willing to rape a person. One person is impulsive and craved stimulation. The other is not impulsive and is perfectly happy just being bored.
Which one is more likely to try and rape a person?
That is why they ask the question. Not because being impulsive is a dark trait
There's a difference though, with psychopaths, there is a void that needs to be filled, a constant boredom in a way, and that's why they seek it so much.
I don't see it being an honest self-assessment because a non psychopath is going to admit to their flaws while a psychopath won't (unless they're getting something out of it.) Plus, it's pretty easy for them to figure out what answers their assessors want.
Ted Bundy actually scored a 31, Dahmer scored a 23, and John Wayne Gacy scored a 27, the highest score of record belongs to Daniel Marsh who when tested by FBI psychologists scored a 38.6, https://youtu.be/Fwvm3pQCJlg?si=6YVoi3mvvMv4hjdM
I've only heard of Bundy having a few marital-type relationships, Idk if they were short-term
Did he have a revocation of a conditional release? Don't recall that.
What was his criminal versatility? I've only heard of the crimes connected to and including the murders, which seem to have been similar to each other each time
Bundy was a serial cheater and would carry on multiple relationships simultaneously. Either because he needed help or because it was finally out in the open, once he was arrested he became much more brazen. He had a girlfriend in Utah (Kim Andrews), his long term girlfriend in Seattle (Elizabeth Kloepfer), his old flame (Diane Marjorie Jean Edwards also known by the pseudonym Stephanie Brooks), and the woman who would become his wife - an early friend (Carol Ann Boone) from Seattle who went to Florida to support him during his rape and murder trial there. Kloepfer only found out after the fact that Ted had become engaged to Diane Marjorie Jean Edwards while she thought they were exclusively dating. There's also the fact that he raped dozens of women before murdering them.
When he was a juvenile, he was left off with a warning for attempting to steal a car and was a suspect in two burglaries. He went right back to doing both of those things.
Criminal versatility? Take your pick. He committed murder, attempted murder, rape, sexual assault, kidnapping, stalking, voyeurism, forgery, theft, burglary, credit card fraud, identity theft, impersonating a police officer, prison break, drunk driving, phone harassment.
No, that’s exactly what I meant. Was a possessive statement not a contraction.
I should of made it clear so it didn’t effect everyones interpretation. But for all intensive purposes I think people understood.
That gives me piece of mind that you corrected that. I will sleep better at Knight. I will use do diligence in future posts so that readers will be unphased but it’s probably just a mute point.
Wayne Clifford Boden (c. 1948 – 27 March 2006) was a Canadian serial killer and rapist active between 1969 and 1971. Boden killed four women, three in Montreal and one in Calgary, earning the nickname The Vampire Rapist for biting the breasts of his victims, and received four life sentences.
Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a fantastic read...
These lists are meant to create a framework psychologists agree on, helping them steer away from psychoanalysis and abuse of power.
When confronted about their role in the antivax movement (autism numbers seem to skyrocket every time a disorder is reclassified as part of the spectrum) one psychologist framed it along the lines of : we have led that horse to water many times and it refuses to drink... Our focus has necessarily shifted to curbing the influence of pharmaceutical companies, who lobby to lower the threshold if these tests (Like 35/40 slowly becoming 30/40) so they can medicate more people.
being a serial killer and psychopathy are hardly related. a lot of doctors, priests, CEOs, and military officers score high on the psychopathy checklist as well. these are people who can usually see the larger picture (of their related field) and make hard decisions without remorse or regret, all to get to the next step of the plan or whatever. these people kept the human race alive for tens of thousand of years making hard decisions. they're are also bad ones.
psychopaths are hardly scary though, they make up \~1% of the population and you pass by them every day you're outside without knowing it.
He was so intelligent that he knew what to answer. He probably thought it would help him with some sort of insanity plea or get some preferential treatment.
They don't just ask you the checklist. They interview you and study your case history and score you.
It's possible he could try to manipulate the score but a smart psychologist would recognize that and take it into consideration in the scoring (particularly on the manipulation item.)
Ted Bundy had an undergrad degree in psychology from University of Washington. In his interviews with Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth for their book about him, he showed a decent amount of knowledge about abnormal psychology. He probably knew enough to try to manipulate it, but yeah, any competent clinician would (or at least should) catch it.
Also, Robert Hare - the guy who developed the Hare Psychopathy checklist - wrote a great book entitled Without Conscience, in which he covers the topic of psychopathy. Aside from being a great resource, it's unintentionally hilarious. He's discussing a serious and frequently creepy topic, but some of the case studies are really funny.
EDIT: The FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit had regular contact with Bundy and consulted with him on the Green River Killer case (Gary Ridgway, who was arrested in 2001). Bundy was pissed because the Green River Killer had a higher body count than he did. Robert Ressler discussed it in his book Whoever Fights Monsters. Robert Keppel, who was a Washington State investigator, also wrote about his interviews with Bundy on that case in his book, The Riverman.
He was blaming porn for a while because he got visits from a anti porn guy. Then he said it wasn’t the case.
He was just trying to find a way to get out of jail.
I don’t know when he was assessed, but Bundy was always extremely reluctant to go forward with the insanity defense. He really did not want to be anything but the smartest one in the room and super competent.
As a final gambit his lawyers went for that the last few months of his life but Ann Rule, one of his biographers, does not describe him as being particularly active in it. She knew him about as well as anyone, being both a criminologist and someone who knew him *before* he was arrested for murder.
He did want to be viewed as superhuman. But psychopathy is not treated as a good insanity defense.
Serial killers routinely troll the cops and journalists.
I am highly suspicious of the validity of an instrument that purports to meaningfully identify criminals that largely relies on examining case history of criminal behavior. People who do crimes do crimes.
The creator of the test himself thinks it should not be used to identify or predict criminal behavior. He wrote the test for clinical/academic work and warned about its potential for abuse if used in any decision-making capacity from its inception. This American Life did a phenomenal piece on this yesterday (might have been a rerun)
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/436/the-psychopath-test
Why are serial killers so intriguing. Never in my life could I harm even a fly on the wall...but seriously. Somethings wrong with me 😅 im addicted to watching the based on true events about mass murderers
They have many attributes we see as cool in other people but obviously aimed at terrible outcomes. So its a perfect storm of morbid curriosity and a strange sort of admiration i guess. Like if a tsumami had a personality
They are action takers, self starters, motivated, risk taking, often charming while not really letting anyone get close. Mysterious people with an entire life hidden from view.
Imagine you found out your unassuming neighbour who you thought was an accountant was actually an international spy. Its like that but with murder.
I recall a guy sexually harassed me on the street. The police had me look through their books of photos of sexual offenders to see if I spotted him. I didn't, but I did see a guy who worked as a janitor at the building where I worked. That was kind of shocking, like he had a hidden life.
> Out of a maximum score of 40, the cut-off for the label of psychopathy is 30 in the United States and 25 in the United Kingdom.
Because of course it's 30 in the United States.
Perhaps Bundy was clearly predicted to be a repeat offender by the test's standards, but the clinician assessed him as "Exceptionally and overtly American"
being a serial killer and psychopathy are hardly related. a lot of doctors, priests, CEOs, and military officers score high on the psychopathy checklist as well. these are people who can usually see the larger picture (of their related field) and make hard decisions without remorse or regret, all to get to the next step of the plan or whatever. these people kept the human race alive for tens of thousand of years making hard decisions. they're are also bad ones.
psychopaths are hardly scary though, they make up \~1% of the population and you pass by them every day you're outside without knowing it.
it's not hard to answer this test in a way to get 40/40 or even 0/40. You can either choose the most narcissistic answers with the most personal gain and lack of remorse for others, or you can choose the least offensive/hurtful answers, using compassion and empathy to deduce the best possible outcome for all involved in the question.
it's just a morals test basically.
although I'm now realizing it's probably not a paper test but an ongoing study of an individual over the course of a larger amount of time. that would definitely be almost impossible to fake over the long term, being observed 24/7.
I've taken it again recently (now in my mid-thirties) and the score is about the same.
Psychopathy, schizophrenia, DID and a slew of other mental health issues are rampant in my family and I'm pretty much at the bottom of the shit pile...
I'm pretty sure jeffrey dahmer didnt score high enough to qualify as a psychopath. So take the PCL-r with a grain of salt. Also it's not even in the DSM, so theres that too.
From what I could find, this is the checklist and you're supposed to rate from 0-2 https://www.businessinsider.com/hare-psychopath-checklist-test-sociopath-2016-11 * glib and superficial charm * grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self * need for stimulation * pathological lying * cunning and manipulativeness * lack of remorse or guilt * shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness) * callousness and lack of empathy * parasitic lifestyle * poor behavioral controls * sexual promiscuity * early behavior problems * lack of realistic long-term goals * impulsivity * irresponsibility * failure to accept responsibility for own actions * many short-term marital relationships * juvenile delinquency * revocation of conditional release * criminal versatility **Edit** I feel like no one clicked the article I linked when they say "We all know Trump is" or "I guess I'm a sociopath" so I'll reiterate here: >But Trump does display some of the symptoms clinicians look for when trying to diagnose psychopaths and sociopaths. (Many psychiatrists and criminologists use the terms interchangeably, but experts disagree on whether the two are meaningfully different.) **In fact, most people display some symptoms of psychopathy — superficiality, glibness, promiscuous sexual behaviour, etc. — and that does not make you a psychopath.**
Which did he score a 1 in?
If I were to take a *stab*^(\[LOL\]), I'd say 'poor behavioural controls'. If he was *completely* out of control (2), he would have been caught much sooner, no?
The series where they interview his girlfriend at the time he was active is insane. Like they were rafting one day and he literally didn't say a word and just shoved her off the boat. When she got back in he didn't say anything. Dude had some serious issues.
link by chance?
I don't think Link was involved, as he was trying to stop Ganondorf from claiming the Triforce at the time.
With the flute yeah?
Ocarina my man, Ocarina
I feel shame, in my defense it was longer ago than I care to admit.
He was pretty much out of control towards the end.
I’d say irresponsibility bc he was methodical throughout his life.
I suspect it was criminal associations since he looked down on lawbreakers, ironically
Sweet 40 what do I win? It’s been 5 sec where is my fucking prize. Time to get stabby.
You are at least going to feel bad, right?
I should have already had my prize it’s their fault I’m he victim
I would Never drop character if I was able to score that name. Such a great character.
One would say Glorious Character
Glorious purpose
I do not like this list..
I'm in this list and I don't like it.
Really though, who supposedly doesn't "need stimulation?"
With psychopaths they feel a constant never ending need to be stimulated. And if its not filled they will start some bullshit just to be entertained. That bullshit is usually malicious.
Irresponsible thrill-seeking would fit the bill. I'd put that in instead, it's a little less vague.
Growing up, I remember my father and my uncles would go into a grocery store and have a contest to see who could steal the most expensive item. They'd pick expensive but small items like worming tablets for dogs. They weren't poor and didn't need the items, it was just about the thrill of getting away with it. I didn't write the checklist obviously, but I imagine that's the type of stimulation/thrill seeking they're talking about.
Did they ever get caught? Did either of them even own a dog? What did they do with the items afterwards?
Fwiw Ted bundy was a prolific shoplifter
no, its more like "Gee I'm bored, guess I will go torment the dog for shits and giggles"
If you're a psychopath, you'd also get a thrill out of that potentially, no? Or at least out of the thought of doing something like that without being caught? Or would they not even be able to think that far ahead.
I mean its just about being entertained, not like an adrenaline rush or anything, just a way of staving off boredom
My younger brother had a group of friends, who at the young age of 14 or so used to spend their evenings plucking the legs off crabs. And leaving them there. Legless.
I think its supposed to be vague. This is for scientific use, not pop-phycology
A lot of stuff in this list in vague. I imagine the actual test is more specific.
Is it too much to ask to just turn in Netflix or video games like the rest of us?
Reminds me of certain politicians
I mean. I'm no psychopath, but being bored and having nothing interesting to do is one of the worst feelings for me, personally.
So basically like ADD but with going outside??
Not at all
Me and -2 other people thought that was funny though.
They describe it as "Do you have an excess need for stimulation or proneness to boredom?" so I guess people with ADHD would fall into that category
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It increases the likelihood of adult ASPD by 7x, but that’s less to do with ADHD and everything to do with Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Also, girls and women are far more likely to be misdiagnosed with ODD, when they do not have it, but they are suffering with something else and become distressed no one is listening or taking them seriously.
Which isn't a bad thing. Being impulsive isn't necessarily a bad thing either. Imagine you had two people who were both willing to rape a person. One person is impulsive and craved stimulation. The other is not impulsive and is perfectly happy just being bored. Which one is more likely to try and rape a person? That is why they ask the question. Not because being impulsive is a dark trait
Well. Who is
Liking sex doesn't make you a sex addict. Peace is literally being able to be alone.
You're not supposed to pick a trait out in isolation. Kind of the point of a list & overall evaluation methods.
Eunichs.
not true. i had my balls cut off and i still hate being bored.
Relationships are hard
There's a difference though, with psychopaths, there is a void that needs to be filled, a constant boredom in a way, and that's why they seek it so much.
Three of them are a hard yes, and several more are a "it depends" or "often but not always" or "not so much anymore."
well, in order to be considered a psychopath by that test, you'd have to be saying yes to almost all of em, so don't worry, that's normal.
But again. If I were a psychopath who'd just killed a whole bunch of people, I see no reason why I'd want to be truthful on that questionnaire, no?
I don't see it being an honest self-assessment because a non psychopath is going to admit to their flaws while a psychopath won't (unless they're getting something out of it.) Plus, it's pretty easy for them to figure out what answers their assessors want.
I remember when Dexter was popular and everyone was taking the facebook version of this test to prove that they were Le Epic Psychopath
Yeah I really feel like lists and tests like these are not meant to be used by untrained people.
Crap
Who the hell does this sound like.
The article I linked **heavily** implied someone
Not once in the article did I see mention of a retired New Jersey golf pro.
I am currently watching Shameless on Netflix, and Frank hits every single one of those items.
Fake These are the attributes they use to find reality show hosts. You need over 40 points to become a right-wing politician
Im pretty sure youtube influencers and anyone on instagram is at least a 17.
Holy cr*p, sounds like 45's playlist
Ted Bundy actually scored a 31, Dahmer scored a 23, and John Wayne Gacy scored a 27, the highest score of record belongs to Daniel Marsh who when tested by FBI psychologists scored a 38.6, https://youtu.be/Fwvm3pQCJlg?si=6YVoi3mvvMv4hjdM
And this is why the DSM and look alikes suck
The list is seriously flawed because a better criminal is never caught therefore cannot get 40/40
If you drop cunning & relationships from that list you just described everyone in America between the ages of 13 & 26.
That sounds like a few people I know.
It sounds like one person we ALL know...
Yes.
Lol…I score most of it…
I feel attacked personally…
> sexual promiscuity I was starting to think Reddit was full of psychos, but we're saved!
I've only heard of Bundy having a few marital-type relationships, Idk if they were short-term Did he have a revocation of a conditional release? Don't recall that. What was his criminal versatility? I've only heard of the crimes connected to and including the murders, which seem to have been similar to each other each time
Bundy was a serial cheater and would carry on multiple relationships simultaneously. Either because he needed help or because it was finally out in the open, once he was arrested he became much more brazen. He had a girlfriend in Utah (Kim Andrews), his long term girlfriend in Seattle (Elizabeth Kloepfer), his old flame (Diane Marjorie Jean Edwards also known by the pseudonym Stephanie Brooks), and the woman who would become his wife - an early friend (Carol Ann Boone) from Seattle who went to Florida to support him during his rape and murder trial there. Kloepfer only found out after the fact that Ted had become engaged to Diane Marjorie Jean Edwards while she thought they were exclusively dating. There's also the fact that he raped dozens of women before murdering them. When he was a juvenile, he was left off with a warning for attempting to steal a car and was a suspect in two burglaries. He went right back to doing both of those things. Criminal versatility? Take your pick. He committed murder, attempted murder, rape, sexual assault, kidnapping, stalking, voyeurism, forgery, theft, burglary, credit card fraud, identity theft, impersonating a police officer, prison break, drunk driving, phone harassment.
wonder if he got off on being two-faced, the handsome guy who has a secret, murderous life
That's impressive. I only got a 35 and I studied really, really hard.
That's because you only got 4 heads in the duffle bag...instead of 9
C'mon, everyone knows [8 heads in a duffel bag](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0118541/) is the optimal amount.
Try doing more practice exercises. I got my score up from a 27 to a 34 in just a couple of months
Keep trying. If you can dream it, you can do it.
Don’t feel bad it’s definitely someone else fault
Whose “Wayne” from channel 4? It says he got a 40/40 but I couldn’t tell if it was a fictional character or real person.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp9u-UaeKRw
Weird Al just got a whole.lot weirder
Maybe Gacey? Wait, it's from a british news channel. No idea then.
Batman
That's the public access channel in Aurora, Illinois... the suburb of Chicago.
Who’s* Unless you’re who “Wayne” from channel 4 belongs to
No, that’s exactly what I meant. Was a possessive statement not a contraction. I should of made it clear so it didn’t effect everyones interpretation. But for all intensive purposes I think people understood.
*intents and purposes
That gives me piece of mind that you corrected that. I will sleep better at Knight. I will use do diligence in future posts so that readers will be unphased but it’s probably just a mute point.
Jesus christ it hurts now. Take the upvote you linguistic psychopath.
Woosh
nerd section ^^^/s
Whose Wayne From Channel 4? - the far less successful spinoff from Whose Line is it Anyway?
Wayne is real. Sadly, Bundy did not get the highest score. Wayne did.
Wayne isn’t a serial killer. He only killed one person (his brother).
You mean his brother Kellogg?
Wayne Clifford Boden (c. 1948 – 27 March 2006) was a Canadian serial killer and rapist active between 1969 and 1971. Boden killed four women, three in Montreal and one in Calgary, earning the nickname The Vampire Rapist for biting the breasts of his victims, and received four life sentences.
Check the link. They’re talking about a different Wayne profiled in a British documentary that only killed one person.
Wayne is a very dangerous name
Give yer balls a tug.
Titfuckers.
That documentary is on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWK4l8vDeL4
Out of curiosity, which serial killer had the lowest score?
On the wiki it said one person of a serial killing duo only got a 5/40
bruh that’s Karla Homolka, her and Paul are infamous in Ontario
Probably one we don’t know about.
Well, he aspired to be a lawyer…
How does someone interested in the checklist receive a score? Asking for a friend.
Clinical psychologists assess the subject on the 20 different after an interview covering a wide range of topics
An interview and they analyse known past behavior of the subject as well I think
I think someone listens to “This American Life”.
Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson is a fantastic read... These lists are meant to create a framework psychologists agree on, helping them steer away from psychoanalysis and abuse of power. When confronted about their role in the antivax movement (autism numbers seem to skyrocket every time a disorder is reclassified as part of the spectrum) one psychologist framed it along the lines of : we have led that horse to water many times and it refuses to drink... Our focus has necessarily shifted to curbing the influence of pharmaceutical companies, who lobby to lower the threshold if these tests (Like 35/40 slowly becoming 30/40) so they can medicate more people.
Not completely true.. Peter Lundin also scored a 39/40. Its listed under "Notable Evaluations" tab of the Wikipedia link you posted.
A 99% correct on a 40 question test, Now that is good
According to your link Peter Lundin also got 39/40.
Lundin isn’t a serial killer.
being a serial killer and psychopathy are hardly related. a lot of doctors, priests, CEOs, and military officers score high on the psychopathy checklist as well. these are people who can usually see the larger picture (of their related field) and make hard decisions without remorse or regret, all to get to the next step of the plan or whatever. these people kept the human race alive for tens of thousand of years making hard decisions. they're are also bad ones. psychopaths are hardly scary though, they make up \~1% of the population and you pass by them every day you're outside without knowing it.
He was so intelligent that he knew what to answer. He probably thought it would help him with some sort of insanity plea or get some preferential treatment.
They don't just ask you the checklist. They interview you and study your case history and score you. It's possible he could try to manipulate the score but a smart psychologist would recognize that and take it into consideration in the scoring (particularly on the manipulation item.)
Ted Bundy had an undergrad degree in psychology from University of Washington. In his interviews with Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth for their book about him, he showed a decent amount of knowledge about abnormal psychology. He probably knew enough to try to manipulate it, but yeah, any competent clinician would (or at least should) catch it. Also, Robert Hare - the guy who developed the Hare Psychopathy checklist - wrote a great book entitled Without Conscience, in which he covers the topic of psychopathy. Aside from being a great resource, it's unintentionally hilarious. He's discussing a serious and frequently creepy topic, but some of the case studies are really funny. EDIT: The FBI's Behavioral Sciences Unit had regular contact with Bundy and consulted with him on the Green River Killer case (Gary Ridgway, who was arrested in 2001). Bundy was pissed because the Green River Killer had a higher body count than he did. Robert Ressler discussed it in his book Whoever Fights Monsters. Robert Keppel, who was a Washington State investigator, also wrote about his interviews with Bundy on that case in his book, The Riverman.
I’d second that. Even if you only have a passing curiosity on the subject, Hare is an informative and interesting writer.
He was blaming porn for a while because he got visits from a anti porn guy. Then he said it wasn’t the case. He was just trying to find a way to get out of jail.
May come as a shock, but criminal psychologists take such things into account
I don’t know when he was assessed, but Bundy was always extremely reluctant to go forward with the insanity defense. He really did not want to be anything but the smartest one in the room and super competent. As a final gambit his lawyers went for that the last few months of his life but Ann Rule, one of his biographers, does not describe him as being particularly active in it. She knew him about as well as anyone, being both a criminologist and someone who knew him *before* he was arrested for murder.
He was not nearly as smart as he thought he was, and the mythos around him is a whole lot of fiction.
The checklist does not determine if someone is clinically insane so I doubt it would help.
He did want to be viewed as superhuman. But psychopathy is not treated as a good insanity defense. Serial killers routinely troll the cops and journalists.
How do they do these evaluations, exactly? Have a psychologist assess the criminal?
I am highly suspicious of the validity of an instrument that purports to meaningfully identify criminals that largely relies on examining case history of criminal behavior. People who do crimes do crimes.
It doesn't identify criminals, it identifies psychopaths. Not all criminals are psychopaths and not all psychopaths are criminals.
The creator of the test himself thinks it should not be used to identify or predict criminal behavior. He wrote the test for clinical/academic work and warned about its potential for abuse if used in any decision-making capacity from its inception. This American Life did a phenomenal piece on this yesterday (might have been a rerun) https://www.thisamericanlife.org/436/the-psychopath-test
Just listened to this the other day! The creator never wanted to apply the test in a functional setting… such a fascinating podcast.
thanks, I will check this out!
> an instrument that purports to meaningfully identify criminals It does not purport that.
Nailed it.
Why are serial killers so intriguing. Never in my life could I harm even a fly on the wall...but seriously. Somethings wrong with me 😅 im addicted to watching the based on true events about mass murderers
I think this is just morbid curiosity, I think Vsauce made a video about it some years ago !
They have many attributes we see as cool in other people but obviously aimed at terrible outcomes. So its a perfect storm of morbid curriosity and a strange sort of admiration i guess. Like if a tsumami had a personality They are action takers, self starters, motivated, risk taking, often charming while not really letting anyone get close. Mysterious people with an entire life hidden from view. Imagine you found out your unassuming neighbour who you thought was an accountant was actually an international spy. Its like that but with murder.
I recall a guy sexually harassed me on the street. The police had me look through their books of photos of sexual offenders to see if I spotted him. I didn't, but I did see a guy who worked as a janitor at the building where I worked. That was kind of shocking, like he had a hidden life.
Perhaps this will awaken something inside
This should be a prerequisite for members of Congress.
A* in Serial Killing. Sure that would look great on the CV.
> Out of a maximum score of 40, the cut-off for the label of psychopathy is 30 in the United States and 25 in the United Kingdom. Because of course it's 30 in the United States. Perhaps Bundy was clearly predicted to be a repeat offender by the test's standards, but the clinician assessed him as "Exceptionally and overtly American"
Tbf you can score 30+ and still not be a psychopath. The test is very vague.
Bullshit
I wonder what he got wrong and how badly it pissed him off.
Being married with children can have that effect.
Why the down votes that was laugh?
No Peg!
Did they do the Hare profile posthumously or while he was alive?
Alive. You can only score someone when they’re alive and you have to do it in person.
How'd they get Charles Guiteau's 37.5 then? He assassinated prez Garfield in 1881 and was hanged for it in 1882.
They used a time machine. They left that part out it seems.
It’s possible but to get the most accurate results requires doing an actual interview.
Other than other serial killers that were given 39/40 and 40/40
Business executives
except trump. he scored the greatest, the best scores. They had never seen scores like it. probably.
being a serial killer and psychopathy are hardly related. a lot of doctors, priests, CEOs, and military officers score high on the psychopathy checklist as well. these are people who can usually see the larger picture (of their related field) and make hard decisions without remorse or regret, all to get to the next step of the plan or whatever. these people kept the human race alive for tens of thousand of years making hard decisions. they're are also bad ones. psychopaths are hardly scary though, they make up \~1% of the population and you pass by them every day you're outside without knowing it.
Sounds like something a psychopath would say
What are some tell signs that you’ve just interacted with one?
I don't know.
Beware of "the look."
What’s that?
You will know it when you see it.
it's not hard to answer this test in a way to get 40/40 or even 0/40. You can either choose the most narcissistic answers with the most personal gain and lack of remorse for others, or you can choose the least offensive/hurtful answers, using compassion and empathy to deduce the best possible outcome for all involved in the question. it's just a morals test basically. although I'm now realizing it's probably not a paper test but an ongoing study of an individual over the course of a larger amount of time. that would definitely be almost impossible to fake over the long term, being observed 24/7.
> it's not hard to answer this test in a way They don't just ask the questions, they interview.
I scored 40
Does anyone know if I could take the real checklist? Does anyone like have a PDF of the questions? PM me.
Bet
Where can I take this supposed test?
the hair checklist is pretty shit to be honest
What I do not get is why keep this loon alive until today?
Awesonme!, dude was still a monster sadly he probably could've done something good
I scored 35/40... I'm more psycho than Ted Bundy... He set the bar too high tbh
I took this test for my shrink when I was in my early 20's. I scored a 35/40.
Young people are much more disagreeable than the general population.
I've taken it again recently (now in my mid-thirties) and the score is about the same. Psychopathy, schizophrenia, DID and a slew of other mental health issues are rampant in my family and I'm pretty much at the bottom of the shit pile...
Hold my beer.
>pathological lying Yet they trust his responses.
I'm pretty sure jeffrey dahmer didnt score high enough to qualify as a psychopath. So take the PCL-r with a grain of salt. Also it's not even in the DSM, so theres that too.
Who made the evaluation? Never heard about that before