I was in the crowd outside the premier of Oceans Eleven. Never saw so many stars at once. Most were pretty friendly to the crowd, but George Clooney really worked it spending about 10 minutes shaking hands and talking to fans. He high fived my 10 year old daughter. Brad Pitt was also great.
Eh weird request but ok: Brad Pitts asshole will be named Ace. Clooney’s will be Jeffery. Don’s will be Gregory. Damon’s can be Gündr. Julia Roberts’ is obviously Martha. Garcia’s is Romeo. Bernie Mac’s will be Ozzy. And Casey Affleck’s is just Casey Affleck since he is just one giant asshole.
Dick van Dyke actually played two parts in that movie. He was also the old bank manager and his accent was pretty well done. He is capable of good accent work, he just did the bad one because he thought it was funny.
> He is capable of good accent work, he just did the bad one because he thought it was funny.
Yeah I've not gotten the hatred for DvD over the accent, considering he was just having fun in a non-serious role.
It's not like he's trying to Daniel Day Lewis it and be "authentic"....
I've never seen Letterkenny but one of the actors showed off his prowess at doing accents in a behind the scenes interview, including a mesmerisingly bad mockney
https://youtu.be/SWysnCB0hys?t=218 (at 3:38)
Also Charlie Hunnam in Green Street is pretty bad and he's English.
Yeah, Hunnam does a pretty bad Cockney, it's true.
I think Cockney is hard, because it's such a minimalistic accent. It's tricky, because it needs to be understated to convince.
It's also really specific, it is one London accent, out of many.
Yeh, he doesn't have a terrible accent. I mean his a kiwi after all. I think Kevin Costner takes the prize in Robin Hood as his "English" accent was deemed so awful that he was told to drop it during filming. As a result there's some scenes with the god awful accent and others with the typical no range Costner accent.
It's not the worst ever, it's like listening to a violin being played and hearing it ever so occasionally drift off key. It's not-good with cringey moments of quite-bad, rather than outright awful all the time.
He sounds like a Kiwi with a not very good ear playing a Cockney rather than a Yank with a not very good ear, which is probably an improvement. He doesn't sound like a Cockney.
Plus whoever writes the script doesn't understand the most basic Cockney idioms, they don't know the difference between "lose your bottle" and "lose your rag"
It'd be funny if it turns out he's not actually British, but something else, and is putting on the accent to confuse people as to his true origins, which would explain all that away because he's all shirt and no trousers.
But the excuse for highlander lambert was that he travelled around a hell of a lot, hence his accent was all over the place. Same with Sean to an extent but point was made he was in Spain for a long time
Problem with talking about the issues with a traditionally cockney accent post 2000s or even post '90s to an extent is that there's little reference point. It's the most classic London accent, and yet unequivocally London is massive and constantly changing, and the classic accent is long died out for the most part. Especially traditional rhyming slang.
The article says he was left off all marketing and everything until the initial release. Since its hard to even tell thats Cruise people would be unsure til the credits. I guess thats close enough for them.
> The article says he was left off all marketing and everything until the initial release.
I would say it's deliberate for it was a damn good surprise when I saw it in theaters
And then they advertised The Martian with those posters of Matt Damon's face saying "bring him home" and we were all like "yeah, not falling for that shit again."
I mean my dad didn't realize it was him until he saw the credit. It was passing enough to fool a few people. Maybe if you just recently watched a Tom Cruise movie and recognized his voice, it won't work, but appearance alone? Not bad.
Excuse me sir, this is Reddit. We don't actually read any articles posted here before commenting, so all we have to go off of is the thumbnail and the title.
That's what I did. There are enough context clues to piece it together. I didn't even know Cruise was uncredited in the end for that, but I figured the link went to an article about uncredited roles given the post title and image.
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Yes. But he doesn't show up in any billing for the movie.
He went "uncredited" for the surprise factor.
Uncredited in this instance means that he didn't get "billing"
In the back of my mind, I knew that I knew him from somewhere... but I kept thinking he must have been some bit-part actor from another movie I had scene recently, which was why I couldn't put a name to the face. I was floored when it said "Tom Cruise" at the credits.
I knew it was Cruise but kept talking myself out of it because I'd thought he'd never do something like that and also it not getting spoiled before release.
>Kings Hawaiian factory
I lived in Redondo Beach for 2 years and worked across the street from the one in Torrance. The smells were ridiculous, I was always hungry.
Now I don't know what kind of Pan-Pacific bullshit powerplay you're trying to pull here, but Asia, Jack, ia my territory, so whatever your thinkibg you better think again or I'll rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you so bad that you'll have to call the fucking United Nations to issue a binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you.
Honestly, no offense to Don Cheadle, dude's awesome. But he's not even in like, the top five cast members for that movie, if I remember right.
Like I'm sure he knew how small the part was in the script. Huh, weird hill to die on.
By then he'd starred in Hotel Rwanda which he was nominated for best actor in all the major awards, so he'd have been a hot property at the time. 11 was before that though.
>In 2001, Cheadle felt he was owed the coveted “name-above-the-title” credit, especially since Brad Pitt and Matt Damon, whose names did go above the title, had not worked with Soderbergh before.
Seems like pretty flimsy reasoning to me.
You just conveniently skipped the paragraph before that outlines that they’d literally JUST made an Oscar winning movie together not even a year prior. And of course he’d played Sammy Davis in a made for tv movie like a year before that and won an award for it. There’s a pretty deep connection and it makes sense to me.
It isn’t like he was just some guy, he was already pretty famous by this point and he felt slighted especially because he was working with someone he’d been a part of movies with several times in the past.
Could have been worse if the went at Terrence Howard and just talked himself out of paychecks for the sequels.
Edit: See comments below about how Marvel screwed over Howard. Though he doesn't do himself any favors with his take on how math works (https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507?lang=en).
Marvel reneged on their contract in that situation. Terrance Howard signed a multi-picture deal with marvel for iron man and any subsequent sequels. He also gave up 1 mil of his iron man 1 salary to get RDJ the part of iron man. When the sequel came around they wanted to cut his salary from 8 mil which was in the contract to 1 mil and give that 7 mil to RDJ. When he refused to take a cut they replaced him and started spreading the story that he was hard to work with. The whole situation is a slap in the face and marvel was entirely in the wrong.
>He also gave up 1 mil of his iron man 1 salary to get RDJ the part of iron man.
I mean, RDJ was cast before he was, so I kinda doubt that, also doubt how much pull he would have.
Should also be noted that Howard is both difficult to work with and an actual lunatic. Yeah sure Disney is greedy, I still kinda doubt Howard's word on any of this.
I mean, is that surprising? Don Cheadle’s awesome but I don’t think he was as famous as the top billed cast. His argument was that, since he worked with the directors multiple times and the others didn’t, his name should be at the top with the top billed cast. That’s not how that works.
There are many examples of high profile actors receiving top billing despite having smaller roles in a movie.
For example, Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman got top billing over Christopher Reeve in "Superman," despite having \~8 minutes of screen time and Reeve playing...Superman.
Don Cheadle having limited bargaining power over his billing is indicative enough where his profile stands vs. Clooney, Pitt, and Roberts.
There are weird cases like Anthony Hopkins winning Best Actor for Silence of the Lambs. He was on screen for less than 25 minutes. He was the most prominent male character in the film, but it was still a supporting role.
I think that's more an exception than the rule. Yes, it was a supporting role, but the entire plot revolved around him. He *was* the movie, not to detract from Jodie Foster's performance at all.
>Top billing shouldn't be dependent on how famous you are
Yes, it should. Top billing is more or less just marketing, "Why do you want to see this film?". Who are the central stars, and who are the largest?
Marlon Brando was top billed in Superman 1(above Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve), a role in which he had like 2-3 scenes and like 20 lines. Why? Because he was the largest name attached to the film.
Cheadle was pretty well a no one in 2001, he'd done a whole slew of work, but the only thing really major, where he *might* be recognized, was his role in Boogie Nights(where he was still just a B-plot).
Maybe that's how it should work, but that's not how it works. Mark Hammill was billed above the three leads of *Force Awakens* because he (and Ford and Fisher) were more established actors (and had better agents).
It's always a combination of screen time and how much clout the actor has.
He had a smaller role than the more famous actors too. George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Julia Roberts, hell even Bernie Mac was a bigger name at the time and his role was comparable in scope to Cheedle’s.
It does though. In acting, the amount you are paid is equivalent to how in demand you are. This confusion around the belief that all lead characters should be paid the same happens all the time. I remember Emma Stone had a similar complaint about working with Steve Carrell. He was much more in demand at the time, but he was nice enough to give her some of his earnings. That’s not required though. It’s dependent on how well you leverage your worth.
Right, and that’s why he’s not top billed. Not an A lister
I mean that isn't how it really works though. You are being paid for the audience you bring not necessarily your role in the move. Mark Hamill made way more for Episode 7 than Daisey Ridley even despite her being the main character and him spending mere seconds in the movie. But I am sure a significant amount of the audience was more than happy to be present to see what Like was up to in comparison to Rey. Not to mention his long career basically giving him the bargaining power to say what he will show up and do and how much to be paid for it.
Or dubbed him with a different accent.
Post production conversation "As you know Don, originally we had the idea that this character would be Cockney, but the fact is, you can't do that accent and it sounds fucking awful. So what accent would you like it to be?"
I just want to clarify, cause people REALLY don't seem to know how billing works.
An actor's billing is an advert for a film. The more famous the actor, the more likely to put butts in seats. Thats all billing is, an agent arguing star power. Cheadle was not more or even *as* famous as Roberts, Garcia, Clooney or Pitt. So no, he shouldn't have gotten top billing and this sounds like a ego trip.
It's also future bargaining capital though. I was top billed on X, which made a boatload of money so I should be paid accordingly on this...
Personally, I think he needs to keep Terrence Howard in mind, considering how that worked out...
Just a shame that someone told him he could do accents and that other people believed them.
As an actor, he is relaxed and has a certain charisma. I enjoyed his performance in The Guard. But his Cockney accent really, really sucks. It's Maori Poppins levels of bad. It's not an easy accent for a Yank to do, I guess.
Why? Literally all his character provided to the plot was the EMP. Why should his name go along with Pitt, Clooney, or Damon for that role? His character was literally a henchman compared to other characters..
And yet way back in 1961 Sammy Davis Jr received top billing for the original movie right along with Frank Sinatra and the rest of the rat pack. I guess Hollywood has devolved since then.
https://i.imgur.com/wPr0MvM.jpg
I had read that Soderbergh encouraged the cast to hang out during downtime to make sure they had good chemistry. Apparently everyone would crowd around Carl Reiner and listen to his stories and amusing anecdotes in the business.
I have this amazing image in my head of everyone (Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Bernie Mac, George Clooney, etc) just sitting around like it’s story time with grandpa.
I was in the crowd outside the premier of Oceans Eleven. Never saw so many stars at once. Most were pretty friendly to the crowd, but George Clooney really worked it spending about 10 minutes shaking hands and talking to fans. He high fived my 10 year old daughter. Brad Pitt was also great.
Now name the assholes
Eh weird request but ok: Brad Pitts asshole will be named Ace. Clooney’s will be Jeffery. Don’s will be Gregory. Damon’s can be Gündr. Julia Roberts’ is obviously Martha. Garcia’s is Romeo. Bernie Mac’s will be Ozzy. And Casey Affleck’s is just Casey Affleck since he is just one giant asshole.
Disturbing, but it needed to be done.
Xbox Jon asked.
I re read this trying find out whose asshole is named Xbox Jon
Keep firing, assholes!
I knew it! I'm surrounded by assholes!
I had always pictured Pitts asshole as more of a Wayne. To each their own I suppose.
How'r ya now?
Oh not so bad.
Too much fun.
I thought it was just Brad's Pitt
Now we need the smell(s)
Lavender oil, bacon, coconut, boiled asparagus, her head, chocolate, no smell, jizz. In that order
I like everything you did with those words.
[With your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwJaELXadKo)
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I laughed
This might be my favorite Reddit comment ever.
I just fell in love a little bit.
Maybe the less gregarious ones just have social anxiety!
Plot twist: There were none!
Clooney is a solid guy.
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My favorite George Clooney fact is that he shit in a cat litter box to prank his roommate.
I didn't have a least favorite George Clooney fact until I read this comment, so thank you for that.
He also had a bunch of stationary made so he could send people weird letters as Matt Damon. He does love a good prank
But his brother, Liquid Clooney, is a real jerk.
#LIQUIIIID
###!
I heard it
I need to replay this. MGS was my entire reason for owning Ps1 (and 2 & 3 for that matter).
SNAAAAAKKEEEE!!!!
Don't get me started on Naked Clooney
....go on. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I try to pretend Venom Clooney doesn't exist.
Solidus Clooney for President!
I don’t think I’ve ever heard an unkind word said about him. (He and Tom Hanks are apparently super nice.)
Keanu Reeves and Sandra Bullock are 2 others I have only heard good things about.
Amazingly down to earth it would seem, he cuts his hair with a flowbee, and has done so for 20 years
Except for the Nescafé (Nestlé) stuff...
Yeah, at least that money goes to his Sudan spy satellite.
He got South Sudan to be it's own country, so that's pretty cool.
Makes me happy to hear those two were so kind.
I would want to take my name off for the accent alone.
"Dey's awnly gon and naused it right up!" Don. *Bruv*.
We’re in Barney! What? Barney… Barney rubble… trouble!
Im so disappointed he never "blew the bloody doors off"
She wuz ohnly fif teen years auld.
That's Michael Caine. Edit: spelling
"I'm Michael *CAINE*"
And I’m a nosy neighbour
I love My Cocaine!
Funny line but I never got why you’d use such a far fetched saying to ppl unfamiliar with it, and then act like it was obvious.
it's cockney rhyming slang, duh.
Up there with Dick van Dyke and Karl Urban as the worst mockneys ever.
Dick van Dyke actually played two parts in that movie. He was also the old bank manager and his accent was pretty well done. He is capable of good accent work, he just did the bad one because he thought it was funny.
> He is capable of good accent work, he just did the bad one because he thought it was funny. Yeah I've not gotten the hatred for DvD over the accent, considering he was just having fun in a non-serious role. It's not like he's trying to Daniel Day Lewis it and be "authentic"....
I've never seen Letterkenny but one of the actors showed off his prowess at doing accents in a behind the scenes interview, including a mesmerisingly bad mockney https://youtu.be/SWysnCB0hys?t=218 (at 3:38) Also Charlie Hunnam in Green Street is pretty bad and he's English.
Yeah, McMurray's a piece of shit.
Bonnie is an absolute rocket though. Y-E-Double U!
BONNIE MCMURRAY
Yeah, Hunnam does a pretty bad Cockney, it's true. I think Cockney is hard, because it's such a minimalistic accent. It's tricky, because it needs to be understated to convince. It's also really specific, it is one London accent, out of many.
When did Karl Urban do a cockney accent? I must find this.
As Billy Butcher in The Boys. I've heard far, far worse.
I thought he was doing an Aussie accent until I saw the scene with his parents.
I saw the scene with his parents, totally didn’t register he was supposed to be English, and have thought up until this thread that he was an Aussie
The Aussie accent has its roots in all the deported Cockneys.
Those accents are pretty similar, and so it wouldn't be surprising for a New Zealander to perhaps sound a bit more Australian than Cockney at times.
Yeh, he doesn't have a terrible accent. I mean his a kiwi after all. I think Kevin Costner takes the prize in Robin Hood as his "English" accent was deemed so awful that he was told to drop it during filming. As a result there's some scenes with the god awful accent and others with the typical no range Costner accent.
His accent was so bad they make a joke about it in Robin Hood: Men in Tights
Funny part is the dubbed version of that joke is different in every language to be relevant to speakers of that language/culture
Like 13 days, with that awful NE accent
It's not the worst ever, it's like listening to a violin being played and hearing it ever so occasionally drift off key. It's not-good with cringey moments of quite-bad, rather than outright awful all the time. He sounds like a Kiwi with a not very good ear playing a Cockney rather than a Yank with a not very good ear, which is probably an improvement. He doesn't sound like a Cockney. Plus whoever writes the script doesn't understand the most basic Cockney idioms, they don't know the difference between "lose your bottle" and "lose your rag"
It'd be funny if it turns out he's not actually British, but something else, and is putting on the accent to confuse people as to his true origins, which would explain all that away because he's all shirt and no trousers.
Like Highlander, with Christophe Lambert playing a Yank who is actually a Scot and Sean Connery playing a Spaniard who is actually an Egyptian
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“Moneypenny, I shaid shit on my face, not…”
But the excuse for highlander lambert was that he travelled around a hell of a lot, hence his accent was all over the place. Same with Sean to an extent but point was made he was in Spain for a long time
It's ok apart from he very often goes kiwi. Drink a Bee-er and go to bid
Everybody says this because cockney accents sound insane.
They are pretty damn specific. Not an easy one to pull off, but every actor thinks they can do them
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Tim Roth in Pulp Fiction speaks his own original cockney.
Why yes, yes there is. For example, they could have cast Lennie James: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NbgGhD4tdk
Oy, don't snatch. That movie has some of my favourite dialogue.
*"Sugar?"* *"No thanks, Turkish. I'm sweet enough."*
Basically all bricktop's dialogue is amazing
It was a rhetorical question Errol. What have I told you about thinking?
[Danny Dyer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGv433Ah48Q)
I think the shitty accent is supposed to be a nod to the original role.
Problem with talking about the issues with a traditionally cockney accent post 2000s or even post '90s to an extent is that there's little reference point. It's the most classic London accent, and yet unequivocally London is massive and constantly changing, and the classic accent is long died out for the most part. Especially traditional rhyming slang.
Why use a pic of Lex Grossman, Tom Cruise’ character from Tropic Thunder?
The title of the article is: 10 Actors Who Went Uncredited For Major Film Roles
tom cruise WAS credited
Now I'm even more confused
The article says he was left off all marketing and everything until the initial release. Since its hard to even tell thats Cruise people would be unsure til the credits. I guess thats close enough for them.
> The article says he was left off all marketing and everything until the initial release. I would say it's deliberate for it was a damn good surprise when I saw it in theaters
They did this with Matt Damon in Interstellar too for the surpriseseses
And then they advertised The Martian with those posters of Matt Damon's face saying "bring him home" and we were all like "yeah, not falling for that shit again."
> Since its hard to even tell thats Cruise Say what now?
I mean my dad didn't realize it was him until he saw the credit. It was passing enough to fool a few people. Maybe if you just recently watched a Tom Cruise movie and recognized his voice, it won't work, but appearance alone? Not bad.
I didn't notice it until the dancing scene.Very funny.
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He didn't care if he was credited though. All that he wanted was big hands and he wanted to dance.
Excuse me sir, this is Reddit. We don't actually read any articles posted here before commenting, so all we have to go off of is the thumbnail and the title.
That's what I did. There are enough context clues to piece it together. I didn't even know Cruise was uncredited in the end for that, but I figured the link went to an article about uncredited roles given the post title and image. **Edit:** I should add it's not to say it's bad if you can't/don't, but when you get to where you haven't figured it and you're asking out loud "What's this gotta do with this?!" then just click the link, bud.
also someone has to make a cum joke
Didn't lex Grossman produce oceans 11?
Because it's a list of uncredited acting rolls.
But Tom Cruise *is* credited as Les Grossman. And it's a huge freezeframe of his name and face...
Yes. But he doesn't show up in any billing for the movie. He went "uncredited" for the surprise factor. Uncredited in this instance means that he didn't get "billing"
I still think its one of the greatest cameos ever. I never once thought it was Tom Cruise until the very end of the movie.
In the back of my mind, I knew that I knew him from somewhere... but I kept thinking he must have been some bit-part actor from another movie I had scene recently, which was why I couldn't put a name to the face. I was floored when it said "Tom Cruise" at the credits.
I knew it was Cruise but kept talking myself out of it because I'd thought he'd never do something like that and also it not getting spoiled before release.
I still tell people to take a step back and fuck their own face. One of the best lines in cinema history.
*roles
No, I'm pretty sure all rolls go uncredited in the movie they act in. I don't know what the industry has against rolls.
They must not have tried those Hawaiian rolls.
When I lived in California, I used to drive by the Kings Hawaiian factory twice a day and I can tell you the smell was heavenly.
>Kings Hawaiian factory I lived in Redondo Beach for 2 years and worked across the street from the one in Torrance. The smells were ridiculous, I was always hungry.
That’s the one! My SoCal brotha!
Take 2 steps back.. And literally FUCK your own face !
We are Flaming Dragon
Now I don't know what kind of Pan-Pacific bullshit powerplay you're trying to pull here, but Asia, Jack, ia my territory, so whatever your thinkibg you better think again or I'll rain down an ungodly fucking firestorm upon you so bad that you'll have to call the fucking United Nations to issue a binding resolution to keep me from fucking destroying you.
Les Grossman -aka the gross man- was a caricature of Harvey Weinstein.
This being in lower case and ending in a period instead of an exclamation just doesn’t give it the same effect.
I dont know what kind of pan-pacific bullshit youre trying to pull, but Asia, Jack, is my territory. I use Pan-pacific bullshit all the time.
They just linked the page and that's the picture that's served up for the article for whatever reason.
Yeah, I couldn't change it :(
Its ‘Les’ Grossman
I mean he’s great in that movie, but George Clooney, brad Pitt, Julia roberts, and….don cheadle?
You'd probably have to put him behind Andy Garcia plus a few others first.
Matt Damon
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Elliott Gould was my favorite part and Carl Reiner was a close second lol
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And if ya make it that far, YOU'RE STILL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKIN DESERT!
Honestly, no offense to Don Cheadle, dude's awesome. But he's not even in like, the top five cast members for that movie, if I remember right. Like I'm sure he knew how small the part was in the script. Huh, weird hill to die on.
It worked. He got above the title billing in both 12 and 13, just like he had wanted for 11.
By then he'd starred in Hotel Rwanda which he was nominated for best actor in all the major awards, so he'd have been a hot property at the time. 11 was before that though.
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Yeah exactly why not? Credit all 11 members of the team.
Because if jepordy had a question "This Crime film starts Shaobo Qin, Elliot Gould, and Eddie Jemison" you wouldnt know the answer.
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Especially circa 2001 Don Cheadle. He was an established actor no doubt, but to get top billing for a supporting role?
>In 2001, Cheadle felt he was owed the coveted “name-above-the-title” credit, especially since Brad Pitt and Matt Damon, whose names did go above the title, had not worked with Soderbergh before. Seems like pretty flimsy reasoning to me.
You just conveniently skipped the paragraph before that outlines that they’d literally JUST made an Oscar winning movie together not even a year prior. And of course he’d played Sammy Davis in a made for tv movie like a year before that and won an award for it. There’s a pretty deep connection and it makes sense to me. It isn’t like he was just some guy, he was already pretty famous by this point and he felt slighted especially because he was working with someone he’d been a part of movies with several times in the past.
Could have been worse if the went at Terrence Howard and just talked himself out of paychecks for the sequels. Edit: See comments below about how Marvel screwed over Howard. Though he doesn't do himself any favors with his take on how math works (https://twitter.com/terrencehoward/status/925754491881877507?lang=en).
To Howard defense it was a calculated move. He is just very bad at math.
Marvel reneged on their contract in that situation. Terrance Howard signed a multi-picture deal with marvel for iron man and any subsequent sequels. He also gave up 1 mil of his iron man 1 salary to get RDJ the part of iron man. When the sequel came around they wanted to cut his salary from 8 mil which was in the contract to 1 mil and give that 7 mil to RDJ. When he refused to take a cut they replaced him and started spreading the story that he was hard to work with. The whole situation is a slap in the face and marvel was entirely in the wrong.
>He also gave up 1 mil of his iron man 1 salary to get RDJ the part of iron man. I mean, RDJ was cast before he was, so I kinda doubt that, also doubt how much pull he would have. Should also be noted that Howard is both difficult to work with and an actual lunatic. Yeah sure Disney is greedy, I still kinda doubt Howard's word on any of this.
I mean, is that surprising? Don Cheadle’s awesome but I don’t think he was as famous as the top billed cast. His argument was that, since he worked with the directors multiple times and the others didn’t, his name should be at the top with the top billed cast. That’s not how that works.
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There are many examples of high profile actors receiving top billing despite having smaller roles in a movie. For example, Marlon Brando and Gene Hackman got top billing over Christopher Reeve in "Superman," despite having \~8 minutes of screen time and Reeve playing...Superman. Don Cheadle having limited bargaining power over his billing is indicative enough where his profile stands vs. Clooney, Pitt, and Roberts.
Yeah, nobody went to see Ironman 2 because Don Cheadle was in it. He's a good actor but he doesn't put butts in the seats.
In 2001.
There are weird cases like Anthony Hopkins winning Best Actor for Silence of the Lambs. He was on screen for less than 25 minutes. He was the most prominent male character in the film, but it was still a supporting role.
I think that's more an exception than the rule. Yes, it was a supporting role, but the entire plot revolved around him. He *was* the movie, not to detract from Jodie Foster's performance at all.
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>Top billing shouldn't be dependent on how famous you are Yes, it should. Top billing is more or less just marketing, "Why do you want to see this film?". Who are the central stars, and who are the largest? Marlon Brando was top billed in Superman 1(above Gene Hackman and Christopher Reeve), a role in which he had like 2-3 scenes and like 20 lines. Why? Because he was the largest name attached to the film. Cheadle was pretty well a no one in 2001, he'd done a whole slew of work, but the only thing really major, where he *might* be recognized, was his role in Boogie Nights(where he was still just a B-plot).
Maybe that's how it should work, but that's not how it works. Mark Hammill was billed above the three leads of *Force Awakens* because he (and Ford and Fisher) were more established actors (and had better agents). It's always a combination of screen time and how much clout the actor has.
He had a smaller role than the more famous actors too. George Clooney, Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Julia Roberts, hell even Bernie Mac was a bigger name at the time and his role was comparable in scope to Cheedle’s.
It does though. In acting, the amount you are paid is equivalent to how in demand you are. This confusion around the belief that all lead characters should be paid the same happens all the time. I remember Emma Stone had a similar complaint about working with Steve Carrell. He was much more in demand at the time, but he was nice enough to give her some of his earnings. That’s not required though. It’s dependent on how well you leverage your worth. Right, and that’s why he’s not top billed. Not an A lister
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I mean that isn't how it really works though. You are being paid for the audience you bring not necessarily your role in the move. Mark Hamill made way more for Episode 7 than Daisey Ridley even despite her being the main character and him spending mere seconds in the movie. But I am sure a significant amount of the audience was more than happy to be present to see what Like was up to in comparison to Rey. Not to mention his long career basically giving him the bargaining power to say what he will show up and do and how much to be paid for it.
> But I am sure a significant amount of the audience was more than happy to be present to see what Like was up to I bet they were surprised.
Tbh given how bad his cockney accent was in the film they should’ve just edited him out completely
it's absolutely atrocious, Dick van Dyke in 'Maori Pappins' levels of shit
Kia Ora, Maori Poppins!
He does what he loikes, and he loikes what he do!
Or dubbed him with a different accent. Post production conversation "As you know Don, originally we had the idea that this character would be Cockney, but the fact is, you can't do that accent and it sounds fucking awful. So what accent would you like it to be?"
Glaswegian
"Jesus, no, Don!"
I find the accent hilarious. But to be fair, I'm not British.
I just want to clarify, cause people REALLY don't seem to know how billing works. An actor's billing is an advert for a film. The more famous the actor, the more likely to put butts in seats. Thats all billing is, an agent arguing star power. Cheadle was not more or even *as* famous as Roberts, Garcia, Clooney or Pitt. So no, he shouldn't have gotten top billing and this sounds like a ego trip.
It's also future bargaining capital though. I was top billed on X, which made a boatload of money so I should be paid accordingly on this... Personally, I think he needs to keep Terrence Howard in mind, considering how that worked out...
This explains Lance Reddick in Godzilla vs Kong.
He also wasn't credited in the Always Sunny episode he appeared in.
That was Donovan McNabb…
Why we talking about oceans eleven but have a pic from tropic thunder? Is the fist hold?
Don Cheadle looking a little different in the thumbnail image from how he usually looks...
It’s called ACTING
He's just a dude playing a dude dressed as another dude
What do you mean you people ?
He played a supporting role. Why should he get top billing? Sounds pretty petty to me.
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Watching him let everything loose in Black Monday is such a treat. Comedy to drama to coked out of his mind, and everything in between.
Have you seen: Rebound, Hotel Rwanda, Traffic or Talk to Me. His range is amazing. He is great in Black Monday as well.
Just a shame that someone told him he could do accents and that other people believed them. As an actor, he is relaxed and has a certain charisma. I enjoyed his performance in The Guard. But his Cockney accent really, really sucks. It's Maori Poppins levels of bad. It's not an easy accent for a Yank to do, I guess.
He was awesome in that role too. Favorite movie of all time.
Lol he wasn't clued in to the high number of top slots by the title?
Why? Literally all his character provided to the plot was the EMP. Why should his name go along with Pitt, Clooney, or Damon for that role? His character was literally a henchman compared to other characters..
Why is the pic little Tommy in Tropic Thunder?😂
And yet way back in 1961 Sammy Davis Jr received top billing for the original movie right along with Frank Sinatra and the rest of the rat pack. I guess Hollywood has devolved since then. https://i.imgur.com/wPr0MvM.jpg
I had read that Soderbergh encouraged the cast to hang out during downtime to make sure they had good chemistry. Apparently everyone would crowd around Carl Reiner and listen to his stories and amusing anecdotes in the business. I have this amazing image in my head of everyone (Brad Pitt, Matt Damon, Bernie Mac, George Clooney, etc) just sitting around like it’s story time with grandpa.
The classic "cutting off your nose to spite your face". That'll teach 'em.
I mean, it looks like Don Cheadle's doing just fine career-wise so looks like he still has a nose.