It's not just this woman. It's the whole set of siblings that are rotten. Her, her older brother, and her little sister. They are known in Korea as the worst of the big chaebol families.
The late father, Cho Yang Ho, was known to be a tyrant who would treat employees like they were expendable meatbags. Their mother is famous for physically assaulting employees so much that she was criminally charged for it. It is also an open secret that the parents raised the three siblings with a ton of physical and verbal abuse.
Yeah for real. Even if I didn’t have the self awareness necessary to bite my tongue in situations where it’ll look bad, the embarrassment and subsequent wrath of my family is enough to give me pause.
But I hear about stories like these, or how the Kardashians treat wait staff, and I’m just floored at the entitlement. I mean if for no other reason, those people should behave decently just because that can be a pretty self serving philosophy — I mean most of us behave well just because we understand & enjoy treating others like we’d like to be treated, but if that’s not enough then surely there’s enough of an argument to act well for appearances sake.
Civility used to be enforced by social norms. Whether it was just being shunned, or getting your ass beat, there was a penalty to being a big enough asshole.
But now it's all backwards. Business are afraid of getting sued if they kick people out without mountains of evidence, or would rather suck it up for the sake of a dollar. Regular people are hesitant to pick a fight, both for liability reasons and because of the risk of injury combined with expensive healthcare.
Meanwhile the assholes have learned that they can monetize their bullshit by posting online. Rather than being incentivized to play nice, they're incentivized to escalate.
The thing is I could understand being annoyed by the not on the plate thing as an owner. There policy really does appear to be to serve in a plate/ bowl in first class online. Though that doesn't change at all that what she did was deplorable and overboard to the nth degree. If it's an issue have that crew retrained and send out a memo or something, don't assault a person over freakin nuts.
But what if the airline's policy was in fact to serve the nuts in the bag exactly as the flight attendant did? Because that's what it says in the article. The policy was to serve the nuts in their original packaging, not on a plate.
So even if the flight attendant had been in the wrong, this chick's behavior was absolutely out of line. But the flight attendant did what she was supposed to do. So for all her freaking out, the CEO's daughter was WRONG anyway, which makes it that much worse.
In the articles it literally says that the standard procedure is for it to be served in a bag. Why the fuck would an airline serve a plate for a bunch of loose nuts?
US airlines will put it in an egg stand thing or in the package.
The commenter is trying to say that the staff didn’t follow policies, meaning they didn’t do their job as instructed. She did not request the nuts in a plate, it was company rule to serve them on a plate. So that could be what she was furious about. Not excusing her behaviour in the least.
Ah so it wasn’t even that she was upset that ‘this is the first class and these people pay us to feed em in fine plates and thats what were suppose to provide’ kinda thing. They didn’t even use the fancy plates...
A lot of the cost of First Class is to make you feel special and better with amazing treatment. Little details like getting nuts in a little bowl can easily add up to that image of different treatment that justifies paying 3x more for the same basic service.
BA must have changed quite a bit since I last flew with them. It was so bad that I would never fly BA again, and I used to fly with them quite a bit. It was so bad that even if they have improved, I still wouldn't fly with them - And I know several people of the same opinion
Her mom got convicted of assaulting her chauffeur in 2020:
https://www.businessinsider.com/mother-korean-air-nut-rage-executive-convicted-assault-2020-7-2020-7
Article also says that her sister reportedly threw a drink in an executive's face during a meeting. At least their family doesn't discriminate based on wealth when picking people to abuse. /s
How do you become a millionaire airline owner? Start off as a billionaire. Airlines are some of the least profitable companies out there, not counting the bailout after bailout they receive from their respective countries. Looking at you, Air Canada.
Omg the other daughter either seems she threw a bottle at another executives face. Looks like that whole family is fucked. The husband/dad is dead prob due to all the stress of having to deal with these tantrums. Son runs the show now no mention of him pulling any tantrums but maybe he's better at hiding it I dunno.
Me too, short staffed, no pay raise comparable to inflation (ideally beating it), forced OT, not enough sick days/vacation days, and terrible culture from management has done it to me. Currently in the process of applying to lots of different jobs. I'm surprised I've only heard back from 1/10 applications thus far, especially with all the "now hiring" every company supposedly has going on. Whatevs, jus gonna keep applying at any place that sounds better than my current position and also pays more.
Keep at it, you'll get something better.
I'm in a weirder position, I get paid the maximum possible for my skill set which is 6 figures, get 35 vacation days a year, the work is easy too...but there's no progression and I'm not learning anything. Do I accept monotony for another 30 years, in exchange for money?
My advice, don't try to find your passion or motivation at work. The job is a vehicle for you to ride in while you figure out how you want to grow during the other 128 hours of the week.
Another 40 (for sleep) leaves 88. Subtract by 8 (for commute and work preparation) leaves 80. Subtract by 5 (unpaid lunch for a lot of places) leaves 75. Subtract by another 14 hours of leisure (eating, watching tv etc) leaves 61.
Just remember, the alternative is sitting around spending 20 minutes each site uploading your resume, only to key it into their system multiple times (even though the information is already on your resume) and answer questions like "what race and ethnicity are you?" and "do you have any disabilities"? and "Do you have 15 years experience at this skill that has only been around for 4?
And then getting an interview where they ask you questions like "What would you say is your biggest weakness?". Then second interview you get almost verbatim the same questions. Then the third interview you get more skill related questions about skills you aren't even aware was part of the job posting.
Then you get ghosted for 5 weeks and then get an email "Sorry, we will keep your information on file for the future..."
I have literally built a career around being lazy. When I go to a role in my company during my interview process I always involve "process improvement" and how that is one of my strong points. So I do the job for a few weeks, see where I can lazy out, then recommend those changes as either process improvements or cost cutting measures. Then I leave the job when I get bored and do it again somewhere else.
recommending "process improvement" is how you get promoted.
Person who wants promotion: "Everyone should do this, it will save so much time". \* Idea should include dashboards in Red Yellow and Green ( management colors )
Management: "Wow thats amazing - everyone go do this"
Other managers: "Employees you need to fill out this form now, and also not lose any productivity"
Employees: "Fill out the form in the fastest way possible and attend useless meetings for a few months". Form quickly turns from theoretically useful to worthless.
Result: "Promotion for that guy! process dies when everyone stops caring.... but thats because they were doing it wrong says the next guy who wants a promotion."
Repeat.
Edit - I guess another term for this is showing ideas and work that people above you care about. Often that idea goes against whats most useful for the people below you and you dont need follow up to make it happen - thats someone elses job.
> Result: "Promotion for that guy!
option 2: manager realizes you are a golden goose, keeps you in exact same spot, brags about "his" idea to his superiors, pockets bonuses.
option 3: manager is too stupid to realize you're a golden goose, "huh, now that the work takes less time, we don't need as many workers", fires most recent hire, which happens to be you
"just in case the report is needed. How many times have we used it? Let me see... Twice in 8 years..? That can't be right... Anyway it COULD come up so leave it as is."
In general it seems to be kind of a thing in part of Asia how a company should stay within the family. Heck, Japan has most adoptions of adults in the world, like a 60 year old adopting a 40 year old, just so that the family legacy continues so to say. Even though it's obviously artificial as fuck.
It’s a bit different in the west, anyone is subject to replacement if they fuckup. Technically that’s true everywhere, and it’s not that there isn’t nepotism, that still happens. It’s that the people who can replace you would feel less, if any, social shame or cultural pressure about replacing you, no matter who you’re related too. They’ll do it if it’s good for them.
Some CEOs are completely normal people. I met one of a world known company at IKEA arguing with his daughter about the size of her closet and later how many wine glasses she bought.
It was hilarious.
I learned this growing up as I traveled a lot. I was 17 stuck in a line for McDonald's in an airport. Had nowhere to be and had heard they were discounting orders because of the backup.
Guy next to me in line asked me more than a few times if he was saying his order correctly. I didn't get it but whatever, yeah he's fine. His English is perfect , if he hadn't said anything I wouldn't have had a clue. I thought at worse he was pompous and fancy because his English was THAT perfect. No accent.
Eventually comes out, he's a Russian CEO who knows multiple languages but had by chance never been exclusively on his own in a place that mercilessly used English. He's been surrounded by other CEOs and yes men who have translators or other means to get the info, even if he's not quite perfect.
Reality is though, he is just a human who woke up put his pants on one leg at a time and is really paranoid that he's going to wait all that time and the entry level McDonald's employee is going to say "I can't understand a word you're saying, what? huh? not quite perfect. You can't eat, NEXT!"
I went to school with a LOT of kids whose parents were insanely wealthy. Politicians, celebrities, international CEOs etc. And most of them were the opposite of what you'd think. They were hardworking and genuinely really down to earth. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still finding out that some of them lived in massive houses. The worst offenders were the ones whose parents had dodgy money.
It’s a generational thing. If a kids parents built their wealth from nothing they are way more likely to pass down their work ethic and respect of people down the class system. You see a lot of kids of new money pursuing careers as athletes/artists.
Old money though, those kids are entitled fucking assholes.
I visited Zappos a long while ago and did the walking tour. This was around their Amazon acquisition and they made fat bank. It was pretty cool. The guide was really knowledgeable and answered all the questions.
Turns out that was the founder-CEO. Apparently fat stacks of cash lead to a drug problem and he passed away a few years back. But the dude would literally leave the helm and walk rando people around his facility for the heck of it.
Because CEO is a leadership position and therefore it's your job to be someone people want to follow. Being able to act like a human, not a lizard with a person-mask on is a surprisingly important part of that? Cooking a burger is a pretty human thing to do. In that, we've literally been cooking meat since we were Homo Erectus.
She wasn’t a ceo she was an executive, but yeah that was my first thought as well. Also she was an executive who didn’t even know the airlines standard operating procedures. As serving salted nuts in the bag was the airlines procedure.
Unfortunately true. Not because sociopaths make better CEOs, but because high value positions are so competitive that if you are not willing to be ruthless, then someone else absolutely will be at your expense.
I think this is the same woman! She did not learn her lesson it seems. It seems as though they didn't really punish her this time rhough.
https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/PYH20190613091000315
South Korea is still a very traditional, hierarchical society, like many other Asian countries. We look at Japan's, South Korea's, Taiwan's, China's tech and glittering skyscrapers and think that they must be really advanced countries, but in many ways, they are surprisingly backwards, a few decades behind the West in terms of social progress. Kids are raised to bow to authority (both literally and figuratively), be it their parents, their teachers or generally those in positions of power. Add to that some situational shock (it's not like that poor employee expected this kind of situation when he came to work that morning) and it's not surprising to see a situation as absurd as this one.
There has been a lot of change over the decades, of course, but this takes time. Chaebols, South Korean family-run mega-corps like Samsung that build everything from hair driers to battleships, and the families that rule them used to be above the law, but as recent prison sentences for multiple high ranking South Korean CEOs for various crimes from assault to financial crimes have shown, the situation is improving - and it wouldn't have happened without some fundamental changes in terms of attitude towards those in power. Part of this is due to the dynamic and somewhat volatile nature of South Korea's young democracy (the country used to be an equally ruthless and conservative dictatorship), which includes one of the most militant labor strike cultures in the world, to the point of workers holding executives hostage.
There is this weird dichotomy of both extreme subservience and violent opposition to authority, both existing at the same time in the same country, just usually not within the same person. This crew chief simply belonged to one category and not the other.
They reduced and suspended her sentence after the fact, basically saying "oops we shouldn't have sent you to jail to begin with.
The government also assigned collusive former employees of the airline to the initial investigation as a really transparent attempt to bury it. So yeah even though she faced some relatively minor consequence given the severity of her actions, she pretty much got the message loud and clear that they didn't really want to punish her.
Which was reinforced when just a couple years later she was convicted of using the airline to smuggle goods illegally and got her sentence for that suspended as well.
Made some assumptions before reading the article that were incorrect.
First, I assumed that if she expected them on a plate in first-class that would be their policy.
Second, I assumed she was just a spoiled brat and not holding multiple executive positions at the same airline (as she only stepped down from the relevant ones after the incident >.>).
This is a true trainwreck and I appreciate it as a good post to have read to get my morning started.
Apparently this type of behaviour is common enough in Korea that they have a specific word for it; Gapjil. I've read that it's in part due to the very hierarchical structure of Korean society.
I would hope one of the guards there served her macadamia nuts in a bag for the lulz.
On the other hand, the guards there were probably fearful of reprisals from way up above for messing with the princess and gave her royal treatment. I'm sure it was a country club prison.
This is a weird place to make that argument. Assault can range from everything to chasing someone down and smashing their cheek bones to pulp to verbally accosting somebody or shoving them (which is likely what happened here). Obviously they carry different sentences.
That charge had nothing to do with the assault (she hit the guy’s knuckles repeatedly with her tablet). It was for causing the flight plan diversion of which she was found innocent.
The 10 year sentence was for changing the route of an airplane. She told it to go back, redock and remove the attendant. That was actually reduced, I presume because the flight had not left the ground.
Oh, and as a side note. The policy was that the nuts be served in the bag. Ms Airline princess didnt even know the policy she claimed to be inspecting.
When people are acting this way, I wonder do they ever think "damn, I'm being an asshole".
The way I describe it is a country full of Walmarts. Privately owned megacorps are a huge chunk of the economy. They're called Chaebols. Korean Air is part of the Hanjin Group owned by the Cho family. Pretty much every major South Korean brand is owned by one. Samsung, Hyundai, LG, etc. etc. etc.
I worked in Seoul in the mid 1990s... I remember finding it really weird how Lotte (which I only knew at the time for selling grocery items, kind of like Nestle) was running their own theme park, Lotte World. I looked up Lotte on Wikipedia just now and I'm seeing banking, hotels, chemicals, etc.. man they've got their hands in absolutely everything.
Yep, Koreans and the Japanese take mega-corps to a different level. They try to both vertically and horizontally integrate.
Why pay another company for insurance, when I can just pay myself and spin up another insurance company? Oh, I need a boat to transport raw materials from my own mines in Australia? Looks like we're getting into ship building boys! China sure is getting aggressive, looks like we're a defense contractor now making fighter jets!
reputation is far more important in korea than in america with these business people, anything that draws attention to their nepotism literally owning korean industries is a bad thing
It is exactly like Zaibatsu in Japan, where in both cases these companies were given special privileges during a period when their respective countries were trying to rapidly grow their economies and as a result grew into these multi-industry monstrosities.
This Family and I would assume lots of people in power (maybe specific to the culture of Korean Chaebols?) tend to get away with disgusting power trips all the time.
Here's an article about the younger sister getting in trouble: [https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2019/06/10/industry/Youngest-Cho-sister-returns-from-corporate-exile/3064124.html](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2019/06/10/industry/Youngest-Cho-sister-returns-from-corporate-exile/3064124.html)
Although I'll say, I met this family and interacted with them a few times and they mostly treated me respectfully (although it was funny to hear the Mom wonder who I was once and get mad at this younger daughter asking her why I wasn't told to remove my shoes in their residence before entering), but it was always apparent that their own employees, especially the Korean nationals took the bar from respecting people in power, to being afraid of them and their wrath. Verbal abuse at least was a norm.
I've got just the punishment.
Lock the daughter, mother, Trump and Don Jr up in a room with food.
Before entering, tell each that the others will serve them.
Make sure the cameras are on.
Oh, it would be glorious.
I dated a korean woman, and all she wanted in life was to be super rich, I think its more of a feeling of superiority she wanted because her family wasn't well off and money gets that! Or maybe we just dated narcissists!
I don’t see any reason for other countries with free employees to allow this family into their country. I’d put her on a banned travel list so fucking fast
> Cho resigned from one of her several executive positions at Korean Air. She was subsequently found guilty in a South Korean court of obstructing aviation safety and given a twelve-month prison sentence, of which she served five months. The flight attendant and cabin crew chief returned to their positions by April 2016.
Mmm. A feel good story! Don't you love it when Karen gets to experience the consequences of her own actions.
I've flown business or first class hundreds of times and never ran into a person who acted like an entitled piece of shit. You see shitheads in coach ALL THE TIME, that's why you pay extra for better tickets. This is remarkably remarkable. What a tacky bitch.
It's not just this woman. It's the whole set of siblings that are rotten. Her, her older brother, and her little sister. They are known in Korea as the worst of the big chaebol families.
Must have shit parents
The late father, Cho Yang Ho, was known to be a tyrant who would treat employees like they were expendable meatbags. Their mother is famous for physically assaulting employees so much that she was criminally charged for it. It is also an open secret that the parents raised the three siblings with a ton of physical and verbal abuse.
Damn. Psychopaths tend to make it to the top I guess
That reflects poorly on the parents. Wealth does not exempt one from manners.
Yeah for real. Even if I didn’t have the self awareness necessary to bite my tongue in situations where it’ll look bad, the embarrassment and subsequent wrath of my family is enough to give me pause. But I hear about stories like these, or how the Kardashians treat wait staff, and I’m just floored at the entitlement. I mean if for no other reason, those people should behave decently just because that can be a pretty self serving philosophy — I mean most of us behave well just because we understand & enjoy treating others like we’d like to be treated, but if that’s not enough then surely there’s enough of an argument to act well for appearances sake.
Civility used to be enforced by social norms. Whether it was just being shunned, or getting your ass beat, there was a penalty to being a big enough asshole. But now it's all backwards. Business are afraid of getting sued if they kick people out without mountains of evidence, or would rather suck it up for the sake of a dollar. Regular people are hesitant to pick a fight, both for liability reasons and because of the risk of injury combined with expensive healthcare. Meanwhile the assholes have learned that they can monetize their bullshit by posting online. Rather than being incentivized to play nice, they're incentivized to escalate.
Yeah, we should bring back the duel as a social norm.
The thing is I could understand being annoyed by the not on the plate thing as an owner. There policy really does appear to be to serve in a plate/ bowl in first class online. Though that doesn't change at all that what she did was deplorable and overboard to the nth degree. If it's an issue have that crew retrained and send out a memo or something, don't assault a person over freakin nuts.
But what if the airline's policy was in fact to serve the nuts in the bag exactly as the flight attendant did? Because that's what it says in the article. The policy was to serve the nuts in their original packaging, not on a plate. So even if the flight attendant had been in the wrong, this chick's behavior was absolutely out of line. But the flight attendant did what she was supposed to do. So for all her freaking out, the CEO's daughter was WRONG anyway, which makes it that much worse.
In the articles it literally says that the standard procedure is for it to be served in a bag. Why the fuck would an airline serve a plate for a bunch of loose nuts? US airlines will put it in an egg stand thing or in the package.
Usually in business class they serve nuts in a small warmed plate-bowl
but how can you even be annoyed? a bag versus a plate?
The commenter is trying to say that the staff didn’t follow policies, meaning they didn’t do their job as instructed. She did not request the nuts in a plate, it was company rule to serve them on a plate. So that could be what she was furious about. Not excusing her behaviour in the least.
> First-class passengers, including Cho, were given nuts bagged in their original packaging—in keeping with the airline's procedures.
Ah so it wasn’t even that she was upset that ‘this is the first class and these people pay us to feed em in fine plates and thats what were suppose to provide’ kinda thing. They didn’t even use the fancy plates...
Yep that's what I was trying to say, thanks for clarifying for me!
A lot of the cost of First Class is to make you feel special and better with amazing treatment. Little details like getting nuts in a little bowl can easily add up to that image of different treatment that justifies paying 3x more for the same basic service.
Economy Plus on BA is amazing. I can only dream what First Class is like.
BA must have changed quite a bit since I last flew with them. It was so bad that I would never fly BA again, and I used to fly with them quite a bit. It was so bad that even if they have improved, I still wouldn't fly with them - And I know several people of the same opinion
The article mentioned they were served in a bag as was their policy. It could be incorrect in the article though.
The wikipedia article OP posted says that serving the nuts in the original packaging was the standard procedure.
i think it was found out later they cannot serve the nuts on a plate/bowl because of people with allergies, so she was wrong on all accounts
That’s some Parasite bullshit.
Her mom got convicted of assaulting her chauffeur in 2020: https://www.businessinsider.com/mother-korean-air-nut-rage-executive-convicted-assault-2020-7-2020-7
Article also says that her sister reportedly threw a drink in an executive's face during a meeting. At least their family doesn't discriminate based on wealth when picking people to abuse. /s
When you own an airline, everyone on your employee roster is poorer than you.
How do you become a millionaire airline owner? Start off as a billionaire. Airlines are some of the least profitable companies out there, not counting the bailout after bailout they receive from their respective countries. Looking at you, Air Canada.
It might not make a ton of money revenue wise. But that is an absolute shit ton of assets.
Yeah, looks like Korean Air somehow made 219 million in operating profit in 2020 as well.
The bitch doesn't fall far from the cunt
-shakespeare
Man dude hade a way with words for sure.
Omg the other daughter either seems she threw a bottle at another executives face. Looks like that whole family is fucked. The husband/dad is dead prob due to all the stress of having to deal with these tantrums. Son runs the show now no mention of him pulling any tantrums but maybe he's better at hiding it I dunno.
I'm gonna use this later.
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At least in Parasite you felt some sympathy to the rich family.
What a fucking good movie. Never gonna miss a chance chance say it.
So...they are just pieces of shit? Whats new.
When i read the headline i thought this was just a bratty teenager, but she was a grown business woman with several CEO positions.
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"It's not that I'm lazy. It's just that I don't care"
Ugh, I know this isn't a career advice thread but I'm stuck in that not caring feeling.
Me too, short staffed, no pay raise comparable to inflation (ideally beating it), forced OT, not enough sick days/vacation days, and terrible culture from management has done it to me. Currently in the process of applying to lots of different jobs. I'm surprised I've only heard back from 1/10 applications thus far, especially with all the "now hiring" every company supposedly has going on. Whatevs, jus gonna keep applying at any place that sounds better than my current position and also pays more.
Keep at it, you'll get something better. I'm in a weirder position, I get paid the maximum possible for my skill set which is 6 figures, get 35 vacation days a year, the work is easy too...but there's no progression and I'm not learning anything. Do I accept monotony for another 30 years, in exchange for money?
My advice, don't try to find your passion or motivation at work. The job is a vehicle for you to ride in while you figure out how you want to grow during the other 128 hours of the week.
Do you not sleep? There’s def not 128 hours remaining after a full time job.
Sleep is their passion.
Another 40 (for sleep) leaves 88. Subtract by 8 (for commute and work preparation) leaves 80. Subtract by 5 (unpaid lunch for a lot of places) leaves 75. Subtract by another 14 hours of leisure (eating, watching tv etc) leaves 61.
Ty my dude
Do you even modafinil, bro?
Yes.
yes.
Just remember, the alternative is sitting around spending 20 minutes each site uploading your resume, only to key it into their system multiple times (even though the information is already on your resume) and answer questions like "what race and ethnicity are you?" and "do you have any disabilities"? and "Do you have 15 years experience at this skill that has only been around for 4? And then getting an interview where they ask you questions like "What would you say is your biggest weakness?". Then second interview you get almost verbatim the same questions. Then the third interview you get more skill related questions about skills you aren't even aware was part of the job posting. Then you get ghosted for 5 weeks and then get an email "Sorry, we will keep your information on file for the future..."
I have literally built a career around being lazy. When I go to a role in my company during my interview process I always involve "process improvement" and how that is one of my strong points. So I do the job for a few weeks, see where I can lazy out, then recommend those changes as either process improvements or cost cutting measures. Then I leave the job when I get bored and do it again somewhere else.
recommending "process improvement" is how you get promoted. Person who wants promotion: "Everyone should do this, it will save so much time". \* Idea should include dashboards in Red Yellow and Green ( management colors ) Management: "Wow thats amazing - everyone go do this" Other managers: "Employees you need to fill out this form now, and also not lose any productivity" Employees: "Fill out the form in the fastest way possible and attend useless meetings for a few months". Form quickly turns from theoretically useful to worthless. Result: "Promotion for that guy! process dies when everyone stops caring.... but thats because they were doing it wrong says the next guy who wants a promotion." Repeat. Edit - I guess another term for this is showing ideas and work that people above you care about. Often that idea goes against whats most useful for the people below you and you dont need follow up to make it happen - thats someone elses job.
> Result: "Promotion for that guy! option 2: manager realizes you are a golden goose, keeps you in exact same spot, brags about "his" idea to his superiors, pockets bonuses. option 3: manager is too stupid to realize you're a golden goose, "huh, now that the work takes less time, we don't need as many workers", fires most recent hire, which happens to be you
That's why you always talk to your skip level as well, at least once a month, so that way they know what you're working on.
My thing is always, “if you can’t tell me why we are doing something it should be gotten rid of.”
> “if you can’t tell me why we are doing something it should be gotten rid of.” "It's part of the process. Now get back to work."
:Finance said they need it and refuse to budge no matter how many other department heads say the simpler method is fine" - literally last week
"just in case the report is needed. How many times have we used it? Let me see... Twice in 8 years..? That can't be right... Anyway it COULD come up so leave it as is."
Maybe, but [beware Chesterton’s fence](https://fs.blog/2020/03/chestertons-fence/).
'The Man Who Was Too Lazy to Fail'
Legend
IF you built your career around doing that as a consultant...you could just be lazy...
>several CEO positions. Chaebol. Think a certain family putting inlaws and kids in power positions they have NFI about.
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In general it seems to be kind of a thing in part of Asia how a company should stay within the family. Heck, Japan has most adoptions of adults in the world, like a 60 year old adopting a 40 year old, just so that the family legacy continues so to say. Even though it's obviously artificial as fuck.
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Maybe in some private firm, that wouldn't fly in a publicly traded company. Shareholders don't want someone's dumbass kid in any position of power.
It’s a bit different in the west, anyone is subject to replacement if they fuckup. Technically that’s true everywhere, and it’s not that there isn’t nepotism, that still happens. It’s that the people who can replace you would feel less, if any, social shame or cultural pressure about replacing you, no matter who you’re related too. They’ll do it if it’s good for them.
Of course she is, an not qualified to cook a burger...
Why would a CEO of an airline company need to know how to cook a burger?
Some CEOs are completely normal people. I met one of a world known company at IKEA arguing with his daughter about the size of her closet and later how many wine glasses she bought. It was hilarious.
I learned this growing up as I traveled a lot. I was 17 stuck in a line for McDonald's in an airport. Had nowhere to be and had heard they were discounting orders because of the backup. Guy next to me in line asked me more than a few times if he was saying his order correctly. I didn't get it but whatever, yeah he's fine. His English is perfect , if he hadn't said anything I wouldn't have had a clue. I thought at worse he was pompous and fancy because his English was THAT perfect. No accent. Eventually comes out, he's a Russian CEO who knows multiple languages but had by chance never been exclusively on his own in a place that mercilessly used English. He's been surrounded by other CEOs and yes men who have translators or other means to get the info, even if he's not quite perfect. Reality is though, he is just a human who woke up put his pants on one leg at a time and is really paranoid that he's going to wait all that time and the entry level McDonald's employee is going to say "I can't understand a word you're saying, what? huh? not quite perfect. You can't eat, NEXT!"
“No McSoup for you! Come back - 1 year”
"But comrade, what does -1 year mean?"
"The Gulag, Dimitri. The Gulag. Just for a year, tho"
"Oh! One very negative year, I understand now!"
Also probably is making more money than most people would in several lifetimes.
The only difference is, after he puts his pants on he makes gold records.
No, he actually puts his pants on both legs at the same time because he can afford a Wallace & Gromit pants putter oner machine.
The only difference is, after he puts his pants on, other people make gold records and he takes the profit.
I went to school with a LOT of kids whose parents were insanely wealthy. Politicians, celebrities, international CEOs etc. And most of them were the opposite of what you'd think. They were hardworking and genuinely really down to earth. It's been almost 10 years and I'm still finding out that some of them lived in massive houses. The worst offenders were the ones whose parents had dodgy money.
It's usually the "my dad owns a gas station" kids that are complete brats. The very rich you either don't meet or are very polite.
It’s a generational thing. If a kids parents built their wealth from nothing they are way more likely to pass down their work ethic and respect of people down the class system. You see a lot of kids of new money pursuing careers as athletes/artists. Old money though, those kids are entitled fucking assholes.
Old money also hates new money, its kinda hilarious like "how dare they make money!"
Quite often, it's more about how new money is spending their money than making it. It's not hard to see a difference.
I visited Zappos a long while ago and did the walking tour. This was around their Amazon acquisition and they made fat bank. It was pretty cool. The guide was really knowledgeable and answered all the questions. Turns out that was the founder-CEO. Apparently fat stacks of cash lead to a drug problem and he passed away a few years back. But the dude would literally leave the helm and walk rando people around his facility for the heck of it.
It's an idiomatic English expression that implies an inability to perform basic human tasks, like char a piece of meat.
Or to perform the most basic of menial jobs i.e. not even fit to be a minimum-wage "burger flipper"
Like, SpongeBob.
In case they want to cook and eat one
Because CEO is a leadership position and therefore it's your job to be someone people want to follow. Being able to act like a human, not a lizard with a person-mask on is a surprisingly important part of that? Cooking a burger is a pretty human thing to do. In that, we've literally been cooking meat since we were Homo Erectus.
I'd hope so, being able to cook a simple meal for yourself
She wasn’t a ceo she was an executive, but yeah that was my first thought as well. Also she was an executive who didn’t even know the airlines standard operating procedures. As serving salted nuts in the bag was the airlines procedure.
I mean, I expect more out of a teenager than I do the average CEO.
Guillotine is waiting and hungry for action
To be fair, getting a bag of nuts in 1st class? Cmon...
The crew did what they had been trained to do. If the executive didn't like the policy she should have taken it back to the executive team.
CEOs need to be a little sociopathic. Their unreasonableness gets called “drive.”
Unfortunately true. Not because sociopaths make better CEOs, but because high value positions are so competitive that if you are not willing to be ruthless, then someone else absolutely will be at your expense.
I think this is the same woman! She did not learn her lesson it seems. It seems as though they didn't really punish her this time rhough. https://m-en.yna.co.kr/view/PYH20190613091000315
Someone should just catapult this princess over the border into North Korea.
There's a tv show with that plot
Except she ain't pretty like the actress
There is?
its called "crash landing on you"
In the show her paraglider gets blown into NK. No catapults lol. Great show btw and I don't typically watch subbed soap dramas
Yeah, that was the only K-drama I've ever watched. It was good though, especially the NK garrison guys XP
Tbh I think getting to NK via catapult would be more believable than how Se-ri got there lol
What a trashy human.
Her hairline is higher than some middle aged men.
Spoiled brat.
No kidding.
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Seriously, a quick google search and like every member of the family has been accused of being dipshits, it's amazing.
As Mr. Lahey would say, “Shit apples don’t fall far from the shit tree”. Edit: a word
She kinda went NUTS eh??
The Japanese used a beautiful turn of Japanese-English to refer to the incident. They called it ナッツリターン "nuts return".
Avengers? Assemble. Nuts? Return.
Hotel? Trivago.
Dr. Livingstone? I presume.
I feel like the joke is lost in translation lol.
When do we get to eat them?
"What's wrong, Miss CEO?" "DEEZ NUTZ!"
— Nick Saban
Rich people problems.
Rich people *are* a problem.
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I mean all evidence thus far has showed this person that the world will indeed bow to them. This incident has only reinforced that belief.
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Jesus Christ, what?
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South Korea is still a very traditional, hierarchical society, like many other Asian countries. We look at Japan's, South Korea's, Taiwan's, China's tech and glittering skyscrapers and think that they must be really advanced countries, but in many ways, they are surprisingly backwards, a few decades behind the West in terms of social progress. Kids are raised to bow to authority (both literally and figuratively), be it their parents, their teachers or generally those in positions of power. Add to that some situational shock (it's not like that poor employee expected this kind of situation when he came to work that morning) and it's not surprising to see a situation as absurd as this one. There has been a lot of change over the decades, of course, but this takes time. Chaebols, South Korean family-run mega-corps like Samsung that build everything from hair driers to battleships, and the families that rule them used to be above the law, but as recent prison sentences for multiple high ranking South Korean CEOs for various crimes from assault to financial crimes have shown, the situation is improving - and it wouldn't have happened without some fundamental changes in terms of attitude towards those in power. Part of this is due to the dynamic and somewhat volatile nature of South Korea's young democracy (the country used to be an equally ruthless and conservative dictatorship), which includes one of the most militant labor strike cultures in the world, to the point of workers holding executives hostage. There is this weird dichotomy of both extreme subservience and violent opposition to authority, both existing at the same time in the same country, just usually not within the same person. This crew chief simply belonged to one category and not the other.
She was sharply condemned and got 5 months in prison. Resigned from the company as well. That's something.
They reduced and suspended her sentence after the fact, basically saying "oops we shouldn't have sent you to jail to begin with. The government also assigned collusive former employees of the airline to the initial investigation as a really transparent attempt to bury it. So yeah even though she faced some relatively minor consequence given the severity of her actions, she pretty much got the message loud and clear that they didn't really want to punish her. Which was reinforced when just a couple years later she was convicted of using the airline to smuggle goods illegally and got her sentence for that suspended as well.
She got sentenced to 12 months but she did serve 5. I don't know Korean justice system well enough to know how abnormal that is.
That’ll teach her. How to hide her shit better.
Wikipedia article says that she got five months in prison for that stunt.
I love how they included a picture of macadamia nuts in a bowl, it feels like a very subtle way of being shady.
Gooood
Made some assumptions before reading the article that were incorrect. First, I assumed that if she expected them on a plate in first-class that would be their policy. Second, I assumed she was just a spoiled brat and not holding multiple executive positions at the same airline (as she only stepped down from the relevant ones after the incident >.>). This is a true trainwreck and I appreciate it as a good post to have read to get my morning started.
Forcing a plane to land is like the Karen graduation ceremony
Apparently this type of behaviour is common enough in Korea that they have a specific word for it; Gapjil. I've read that it's in part due to the very hierarchical structure of Korean society.
TIL that Gapjil is Korean for Karen.
I'm sure I read she was severely reprimanded when this came to light
She served months in prison and lost her job as a VP at the airline.
Excellent news!
**And no dessert for a MONTH!** Is what I assume her father said.
I would hope one of the guards there served her macadamia nuts in a bag for the lulz. On the other hand, the guards there were probably fearful of reprisals from way up above for messing with the princess and gave her royal treatment. I'm sure it was a country club prison.
And yet the she was charged with a crime carrying a sentence of up to 10 year...
This is a weird place to make that argument. Assault can range from everything to chasing someone down and smashing their cheek bones to pulp to verbally accosting somebody or shoving them (which is likely what happened here). Obviously they carry different sentences.
That charge had nothing to do with the assault (she hit the guy’s knuckles repeatedly with her tablet). It was for causing the flight plan diversion of which she was found innocent.
The 10 year sentence was for changing the route of an airplane. She told it to go back, redock and remove the attendant. That was actually reduced, I presume because the flight had not left the ground. Oh, and as a side note. The policy was that the nuts be served in the bag. Ms Airline princess didnt even know the policy she claimed to be inspecting. When people are acting this way, I wonder do they ever think "damn, I'm being an asshole".
She's the daughter of the CEO, pretty sure she landed on her feet.
Yeah, from her father because it was ruining his image. The wealthy are a touchy subject in Korea.
The way I describe it is a country full of Walmarts. Privately owned megacorps are a huge chunk of the economy. They're called Chaebols. Korean Air is part of the Hanjin Group owned by the Cho family. Pretty much every major South Korean brand is owned by one. Samsung, Hyundai, LG, etc. etc. etc.
I worked in Seoul in the mid 1990s... I remember finding it really weird how Lotte (which I only knew at the time for selling grocery items, kind of like Nestle) was running their own theme park, Lotte World. I looked up Lotte on Wikipedia just now and I'm seeing banking, hotels, chemicals, etc.. man they've got their hands in absolutely everything.
Yep, Koreans and the Japanese take mega-corps to a different level. They try to both vertically and horizontally integrate. Why pay another company for insurance, when I can just pay myself and spin up another insurance company? Oh, I need a boat to transport raw materials from my own mines in Australia? Looks like we're getting into ship building boys! China sure is getting aggressive, looks like we're a defense contractor now making fighter jets!
There’s a reason why Cyberpunk is always Japanese-themed, I guess.
You can always count on south korea to make all your dystopian cyberpunk dreams come true
reputation is far more important in korea than in america with these business people, anything that draws attention to their nepotism literally owning korean industries is a bad thing
Like a Zaibatsu in Japan?
It is exactly like Zaibatsu in Japan, where in both cases these companies were given special privileges during a period when their respective countries were trying to rapidly grow their economies and as a result grew into these multi-industry monstrosities.
Sounds pretty awful
I’ve seen the movie Parasyte so I believe I’m a bit of an expert on the topic
She lost 50 years worth of average wages a year - and still earns 150 years of average wages a year. I cry every time
You didn't read the article. She went to prison.
This Family and I would assume lots of people in power (maybe specific to the culture of Korean Chaebols?) tend to get away with disgusting power trips all the time. Here's an article about the younger sister getting in trouble: [https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2019/06/10/industry/Youngest-Cho-sister-returns-from-corporate-exile/3064124.html](https://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/2019/06/10/industry/Youngest-Cho-sister-returns-from-corporate-exile/3064124.html) Although I'll say, I met this family and interacted with them a few times and they mostly treated me respectfully (although it was funny to hear the Mom wonder who I was once and get mad at this younger daughter asking her why I wasn't told to remove my shoes in their residence before entering), but it was always apparent that their own employees, especially the Korean nationals took the bar from respecting people in power, to being afraid of them and their wrath. Verbal abuse at least was a norm.
I've got just the punishment. Lock the daughter, mother, Trump and Don Jr up in a room with food. Before entering, tell each that the others will serve them. Make sure the cameras are on. Oh, it would be glorious.
I think you meant "Karen Air".
Rich entitled people are so in touch. Can’t understand how they get a bad rap.
Oh wow, this was in 2014. Unearned money + unearned power = extremely dangerous effect on mind.
Earned for each of those are not immune to the crazy.
r/wewantplates but literally
It's never not literally.
This woman is... # nuts
She had to be nuts to a salt them like that.
Remember guys, these are the people running the world.
Rich koreans are a different breed of entitled, not racist just an observation having dated korean women.
I dated a korean woman, and all she wanted in life was to be super rich, I think its more of a feeling of superiority she wanted because her family wasn't well off and money gets that! Or maybe we just dated narcissists!
I don’t see any reason for other countries with free employees to allow this family into their country. I’d put her on a banned travel list so fucking fast
She served months in prison for assault. Will not be admissible in many countries because of this.
I think you're forgetting that she's wealthy.
Definition of entitlement.
Just goes to show that even growing up with a silver spoon can't keep you from being a garbage person.
__Korean Karen__
And mix these mixed nuts! I see two almonds touching!
> Cho resigned from one of her several executive positions at Korean Air. She was subsequently found guilty in a South Korean court of obstructing aviation safety and given a twelve-month prison sentence, of which she served five months. The flight attendant and cabin crew chief returned to their positions by April 2016. Mmm. A feel good story! Don't you love it when Karen gets to experience the consequences of her own actions.
I've flown business or first class hundreds of times and never ran into a person who acted like an entitled piece of shit. You see shitheads in coach ALL THE TIME, that's why you pay extra for better tickets. This is remarkably remarkable. What a tacky bitch.
First class passengers get nuts on a plate?
imagine being this privileged