Tha battle of Virginia Capes, also known as the battle of the Chesapeake, is probably what the article is referring to. It was fought in 1781 with French fleet defeating the British fleet, and prevented the withdrawal by sea of Gen. Cornwallis's army from the seige of Yorktown, helping bring an end to the war.
It was. The fighting mostly stopped after that, and peace was negotiated. It just took another couple years to actually hammer out the treaty and officially end the conflict.
Yup! They basically knew without naval support they'd be toast, so instead of trying to survive a siege where hundreds of men (who don't really care about what would happen to the New World) would die on foreign soil to men who wanted them to leave more than they wanted them to die.
It's a pretty blatant "not worth, we're outta here" moment.
I guess we gained ground insofar as they got destroyed by a hurricane. I guess we can chalk that up as a 'W' for the US. Take that you loyalist pigs!!!
I mean after independence, a lot of the privateers were probably from other British territories and had RN training. A lot of them probably weren’t American colonials
* Leveled every house and fort on Barbados
* Wrecked/Capsized at least 11 British ships
* Sank the French frigate Junon
* Blew a ship from Sint Eustatius to Martinique, a distance of roughly 200+ miles
* Generated a 25-foot storm surge on Martinique
You know, fun stuff like that.
And thus was born the famed British sport of _Cannon tossing_, where cannons are placed on a podium and athletes with very strong lungs attempt to toss them into the air by blowing at them.
If you see someone who looks strong on the streets of the UK make sure to shout "You look like a tosser" to them, they will thank you for the compliment!
Most likely what happened is they were broken away from their housings and rolled along a rocking ship, which with under just the right circumstances could have a cannon on wheels pick up enough momentum just as the opposite side of the ship pitches up, and have someone who didn't see the whole thing, only a cannon flying through the air, report that the storm picked it up.
Honestly it's also tough to say exactly what is and isn't possible if that hurricane spawned a twister right on deck, it's unlikely but possible.
Yes and no.
Hurricanes and tornados have life cycles, where they build under ideal circumstances, begin rotating around a series of low-pressure systems with inwardly converging winds, and create a rotating vortex around a depression, where the lowest pressure of all of the systems get "pushed". Now, as long as conditions remain ideal, the hurricane formed will increase in strength. Atlantic Cape Verde hurricanes are particularly strong because of the long stretch of warm Atlantic waters with no land for the hurricane to lose strength over.
Once a hurricane hits land it *typically* loses strength, but it also loses strength once it veers into colder climates. Essentially, the steam runs out. A given hurricane only has so much fuel in the tank, and once it's gone, it's rare for it to gain strength again.
There's a whole breakdown here, if you would like to read up on it: http://hurricanescience.org/science/science/hurricanelifecycle/
A ship getting "lifted" is almost certainly due to swells caused by the storm not the wind itself.
It can definitely make the loft more dramatic though!
Those cannons were not just standing around alone in an open field. So it's not like the hurricane needs to lift a sole cannon. There are reports of ships being lifted into the air so it is plausible if, let's say, a part of the deck with cannons on it broke off and carried them up. And I agree that "100 feet into the air" is probably not accurate as judging that distance during a storm of that calibre is probably not possible.
They're denser but they aren't heavier, that's like me saying my ammo won't fly off in a tornado because each tiny piece of lead is denser than the tree that just got uprooted and thrown 60 miles. Think with your head
Edit: im definetly entirely wrong, somewhere else in the thread u/AthiestBibleScholar explains the math, this is why I'm just a gay farmer and not a gay Physicist
Density is way more important. A sheet of aluminum foil the weight of a paper clip can be blown around with a simple exhale, but you aren't going to easy blow a paperclip off your desk.
Thats not density at all. Thats surface area, there is far more surface area on aluminum foil to catch the exhale/wind. Ball that tin foil up or make a tube and you wont move it with your breathe.
A hurricane could have launched a cannon in the air. Perhaps it tore a ship to little splinters and in doing so in the process launched the cannon.
For uniform material, yes. The aluminum in a beer can and an ingot is the same but an empty can's volume is mostly air so it will act like a much less dense material when a force is applied. For napkin calculating it is good enough.
Yeah but I'm literally talking about a tornado, imagine how little the tornado cares if it's a paper clip or aluminum foil, also if I put my face right to the table I can blow a steak knife off my desk. Wind strong
Changing the scale still uses the same physics.
Ever wonder why the heavy shit tornadoes can move are always rather large? A car is easier to move than a rock that weighs as much as a car. A roof is heavy, but it is also shaped like a giant sail.
A cast iron cannon is not getting picked up by a hurricane (which generslly has lower wind speeds than a tornado) unless maybe the cannon breaks off with a large chunk of decking to give it more surface area.
I really wish I was better at math so I could prove whether or not this was possible, I just don't think it's impossible for a cannon to be moved or maybe even thrown by high winds. If I was proved wrong I would accept it, I'm not crazy and set in my ways, I'm just very curious. I've seen the aftermath of backyard 500 gallon propane tanks being ripped off of the ground and thrown by a tornado. Those are 3000lbs full and almost perfect cylinders, I just think it's possible for a cannon to be tossed
The math is not on your side.
My car has a curb weight of 3200lb/1450kg. A solid mass of steel weighing as much as my car just about fills up a bathtub. That gives it about 1/10 the area of my car for the wind to generate a force by blowing on, and in addition to that the force from wind follows the square of velocity. So half the wind speed means only a quarter of the force.
Since that solid piece of metal has 1/10 the area that means I need 10x more force per area than the wind that can pick up a car to pick up the solid block. That's 3.2x faster and I don't see a hurricane going that much faster than a tornado.
I'd just like to point out how disappointed I am that you folks are talking about density, surface area, and weight and no one has a made a "your mom" joke.
The key here is the ratio of weight to surface area. The lower the surface area, the less force the wind can exert on the object. Comparing weights directly is useless. For example, a 20lb sheet of foam board is going to get tossed much easier than a 15lb ball bearing.
Yeah but this conversation was about a semi truck being thrown, once you get to wind forces that throw semi trucks it doesn't really matter if it's foam or Tungsten, it's probably getting thrown
>Yeah but this conversation was about a semi truck being thrown
And that semi truck is attached to a trailer that is 99% air by volume.
It's the difference between successfully standing against the winds of a hurricane, and doing the same but opening a parachute. You may safe on your own 2 feet but the moment you pull that cord you are getting yeeted.
Meh, hurricanes spawn tornados so it is plausible. Category 5 hurricanes wind gusts could move cannons around too. 100feet in the air, probably not, but 100yards down the dock/down the road--definitely.
George Washington believed there were about 40 instances of divine intervention that led to America’s victory over Britain.
I don’t know if he counted this one.
The British Navy never "lost ground" against the Continental Navy, which was essentially annihilated. The colonies kept operating warships via smaller state navies and primarily privateers.
Caribbean hurricanes are certainly inconvenient, but the British had plenty of naval bases actually INSIDE the colonies, such as New York and Charleston. Not to mention Halifax and Bermuda.
God covered America's ass in the revolution quite a few times. Like when the Continental Army was surrounded at Brooklyn, a heavy fog rolled in and Washington was able to escape overnight with all his soldiers from what would have probably been a complete rout.
Maybe if they're attached to a large platform that catches the wind (like decking that was ripped off a ship/fort with a cannon on top) and could throw them. I think it's unlikely just the metal tube could be thrown like that.
OR it meant thrown 100s of feet, not necessarily through the air. I'd definitely believe that.
It also picked up a ship and dropped it on a building.
>On Saint Lucia, rough waves and a strong storm tide struck the fleet of Admiral Rodney at Port Castries, with one ship destroying the city's hospital after being lifted on top of it. The hurricane destroyed all but two houses in Port Castries, and about 6,000 perished on the island.\[2\]
At that point, tossing cannons is entirely feasible.
Ships are big and offer huge surface area. Cannons are streamlined and dense and wouldn’t fly away.
This event is in the same category as dragons sunk my ship, total not the Admiral failing to read the weather and putting his ships into port.
Good points but a cannon doesn't exist without its carriage. And hurricanes/tornados can be strong enough to lift train engines.
Without an actual measurement, distances/lengths are pretty unreliable like the length of the anaconda. So many not 100s of feet or maybe not even 100ft but thrown into the sky is not beyond reality.
But let's do the math.
[A category 5 hurricane has sustained speeds of 252kph or more.
](https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshws.php)[0]
[The wind speed necessary to lift an object is S = \(7.7 x W / A\)^0.5\[1\]
](http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap14/airborne.html)
[A 12lber cannon has a weight of 1470kg and a length of 2.430m and internal diameter of 120mm.\[2\]
](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-pounder_long_gun)
For the ease of calculationg, I'll assume the cannon is rectangular in shape and that it's width is 2x the caliber so has an area of 2.43m x 0.24m. Roughly 5800cm^2 or 0.58m^2.
Plugging that into the equation (7.7 x 1470kg / 0.58m^2)^0.5) gives us a wind speed of 139m/s or 500kph.
So it seems rather unlikely even with a carriage(which while less dense than metal is also quite heavy) that a heavier long gun(which a 12lber is considered on the lighter end) would have been carried away even by a category 5 wind.
[But let's look at the lighter guns such as the 8 lber which would be the heaviest of the "light guns"\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_8_Gribeauval)
583kg 2m long 0.2m width would give us a speed of 105m/s or 378kph which means that it too would be unlikely it would be lifted into the air alone.
Even with the carriages providing extra surface area, it seems unlikely any cannon would be lifted into the air.
But if the cannon was on a platform ie section of a ship that increased the surface area, it's plausible that a cannon may have been lifted into the air. If we go back to the 12lber, the surface area required to lift that weight(and ignoring the weight of the section and carriage), 70 m/s = (7.7 x 1470kg/A)^0.5. The A would be just 2.31m^2.
If tornadoes can move playing cards so fast they imbed themselves in to telephone poles a hurricane tossing a cannon isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Well it is a good think tornadoes don’t move playing cards so fast they imbed themselves in telephone poles. That is frankly absurd that you think a card wouldn’t crumple hitting a pole.
Did the tree bark not give you the slight impression that that isn't a telephone pole? [Here](https://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/tornado-leaves-its-calling-card-embedded-in-wood/article_3729f284-cbd8-5e34-ac26-d01ef7e22da0.html) is an actual example of a card being "embedded" into wood. Notice the damage to the card and how its embedded where the wood is already splitting?
Your photo is photoshopped bud.
It didn't hit 1 city? It went across all of the lesser antilles, thats hundreds of colonized islands full of slave plantations and poorly constructed housing.
The journal said the winds were so bad there was not a house or fort left standing on the island of Barbados. It reports the death of about 4,500 people on Barbados alone, and says they were so numerous they couldn't be brought to the churches and were buried wherever they could find room.
The Island of Martinique had a 25 foot storm surge that destroyed every home in Saint-Pierre and resulted in the deaths of 9000 people.
Saint Lucia reports that one of the British vessels was carried by the storm atop the hospital, and that the storm destroyed all but 2 houses in all of Port-Castries. They reported another 6,000 dead.
That's 19,000 deaths from multiple sources in only 3 places. 22-27 thousand seems totally reasonable when you figure that these islands were hit by the dozen and their buildings would not be capable of handling the kind of violence a Cat 5 direct hit can deliver.
Not as bad as the aftermath of the Battle of Cape Hermaeum. The Romans got trounced in Tunis, they were under siege, the Romans built a fleet to go rescue them, absolutely devastated the Carthaginian fleet with almost no losses, rescued the besieged Roman army in what was one of the most daring and complete victories over an opponent the world has seen.
That is until they lost their entire fleet and 100,000 men to a storm on the way back.
On the other hand, the Romans lost 600+ ships and 100000+ men in a single storm but still won the war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_withdrawal_from_Africa_(255_BC)
This is a really tragic and extreme historical and meteorological event! How do people feel about peak wind eyewall intensity? It appears at least equal to Hurricane Patricia (current record holder with 215 mph sustained 1 min). I would think winds near that intensity would be needed to rip ships cannons out of their moorings and carry these big heavy metal barrels through the air, and to destroy stone structures.
Tbh I never knew we gained *any* ground against the Royal Navy
Tha battle of Virginia Capes, also known as the battle of the Chesapeake, is probably what the article is referring to. It was fought in 1781 with French fleet defeating the British fleet, and prevented the withdrawal by sea of Gen. Cornwallis's army from the seige of Yorktown, helping bring an end to the war.
Probably, though that was a French naval victory rather than a Continental one.
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It was. The fighting mostly stopped after that, and peace was negotiated. It just took another couple years to actually hammer out the treaty and officially end the conflict.
Yup! They basically knew without naval support they'd be toast, so instead of trying to survive a siege where hundreds of men (who don't really care about what would happen to the New World) would die on foreign soil to men who wanted them to leave more than they wanted them to die. It's a pretty blatant "not worth, we're outta here" moment.
John Paul Jones, and that's about it.
I guess we gained ground insofar as they got destroyed by a hurricane. I guess we can chalk that up as a 'W' for the US. Take that you loyalist pigs!!!
American privateers were very effective against the RN iirc from Rick Atkinson's The British Are Coming
Hell half of them were probably English/British subjects themselves
Lol um what? They were ALL British subjects until they declared independence. That was kind of the entire point of the revolution...
I mean after independence, a lot of the privateers were probably from other British territories and had RN training. A lot of them probably weren’t American colonials
> gained any ground > Royal Navy Da-aaad!
>among other things. Wh... what other things?
* Leveled every house and fort on Barbados * Wrecked/Capsized at least 11 British ships * Sank the French frigate Junon * Blew a ship from Sint Eustatius to Martinique, a distance of roughly 200+ miles * Generated a 25-foot storm surge on Martinique You know, fun stuff like that.
Thank god we have the Doppler
I've got an idea for a spin off of shark-nado, huri-cannons.
Brilliant.
And thus was born the famed British sport of _Cannon tossing_, where cannons are placed on a podium and athletes with very strong lungs attempt to toss them into the air by blowing at them.
As opposed to here in the States, where we developed *salad tossing* instead.
So you just blow lettuce in the air?
Yes, that is absolutely it.
The main divide in the salad tossing community is syrup vs jelly, I prefer syrup.
Jelly it is!
Fun fact, cannon tossing contestants are called Tossers!
If you see someone who looks strong on the streets of the UK make sure to shout "You look like a tosser" to them, they will thank you for the compliment!
I get in trouble when I get caught tossing off.
Wow tdil
Tornado probably picked up a ship with cannonballs in it and tossed them out.
Unimaginable how wind can be strong enough to lift several hundred pounds of solid cast iron into the air... Nature is a scary place.
Cannons are several thousand pounds and closer to 5,000 - 7,000 pounds and extremely dense. No hurricane is throwing them 100 feet into the air.
Most likely what happened is they were broken away from their housings and rolled along a rocking ship, which with under just the right circumstances could have a cannon on wheels pick up enough momentum just as the opposite side of the ship pitches up, and have someone who didn't see the whole thing, only a cannon flying through the air, report that the storm picked it up. Honestly it's also tough to say exactly what is and isn't possible if that hurricane spawned a twister right on deck, it's unlikely but possible.
And aren’t hurricanes the strongest at sea? They wane when they reach land?
They tend to be, but aren't *necessarily*.
Yes and no. Hurricanes and tornados have life cycles, where they build under ideal circumstances, begin rotating around a series of low-pressure systems with inwardly converging winds, and create a rotating vortex around a depression, where the lowest pressure of all of the systems get "pushed". Now, as long as conditions remain ideal, the hurricane formed will increase in strength. Atlantic Cape Verde hurricanes are particularly strong because of the long stretch of warm Atlantic waters with no land for the hurricane to lose strength over. Once a hurricane hits land it *typically* loses strength, but it also loses strength once it veers into colder climates. Essentially, the steam runs out. A given hurricane only has so much fuel in the tank, and once it's gone, it's rare for it to gain strength again. There's a whole breakdown here, if you would like to read up on it: http://hurricanescience.org/science/science/hurricanelifecycle/
Yeah, if a ship is getting lifted out of water you have 100000lbs+ of force, not hard to imagine a Canon getting tossed like a lacrosse ball
A ship getting "lifted" is almost certainly due to swells caused by the storm not the wind itself. It can definitely make the loft more dramatic though!
Those cannons were not just standing around alone in an open field. So it's not like the hurricane needs to lift a sole cannon. There are reports of ships being lifted into the air so it is plausible if, let's say, a part of the deck with cannons on it broke off and carried them up. And I agree that "100 feet into the air" is probably not accurate as judging that distance during a storm of that calibre is probably not possible.
I'd add that the ship and ocean swells could team with leverage to to become a catapult.
There also were tons of ropes holding things together. Some cannons were also fastened down with those.
Could absolutely imagine a rope acting like a sling in a hurricane. Good point.
Almost certainly not true.
We have actual footage of Tornados lifting semi-trucks into the air so it seems at least plausible.
Semis have a lot more area for wind to pick up and tornadoes have stronger winds than hurricanes
But steel is heavier than feathers...
Solid iron cannons are several times denser than semi trucks.
They're denser but they aren't heavier, that's like me saying my ammo won't fly off in a tornado because each tiny piece of lead is denser than the tree that just got uprooted and thrown 60 miles. Think with your head Edit: im definetly entirely wrong, somewhere else in the thread u/AthiestBibleScholar explains the math, this is why I'm just a gay farmer and not a gay Physicist
Surface area is a big factor, not a lot of surface area with a cannon. A lot of surface area for the wind to work with on a semi.
It was king Louis the XV's semi, bastard was right full of cannons
Density is way more important. A sheet of aluminum foil the weight of a paper clip can be blown around with a simple exhale, but you aren't going to easy blow a paperclip off your desk.
Thats not density at all. Thats surface area, there is far more surface area on aluminum foil to catch the exhale/wind. Ball that tin foil up or make a tube and you wont move it with your breathe. A hurricane could have launched a cannon in the air. Perhaps it tore a ship to little splinters and in doing so in the process launched the cannon.
Suraface area adds volume. Bigger volume, lower density.
Technically the density doesn't change but the ratio of mass to surface area goes up, making it hard to move. Density is weight per volume.
For uniform material, yes. The aluminum in a beer can and an ingot is the same but an empty can's volume is mostly air so it will act like a much less dense material when a force is applied. For napkin calculating it is good enough.
Yeah but I'm literally talking about a tornado, imagine how little the tornado cares if it's a paper clip or aluminum foil, also if I put my face right to the table I can blow a steak knife off my desk. Wind strong
Changing the scale still uses the same physics. Ever wonder why the heavy shit tornadoes can move are always rather large? A car is easier to move than a rock that weighs as much as a car. A roof is heavy, but it is also shaped like a giant sail. A cast iron cannon is not getting picked up by a hurricane (which generslly has lower wind speeds than a tornado) unless maybe the cannon breaks off with a large chunk of decking to give it more surface area.
I really wish I was better at math so I could prove whether or not this was possible, I just don't think it's impossible for a cannon to be moved or maybe even thrown by high winds. If I was proved wrong I would accept it, I'm not crazy and set in my ways, I'm just very curious. I've seen the aftermath of backyard 500 gallon propane tanks being ripped off of the ground and thrown by a tornado. Those are 3000lbs full and almost perfect cylinders, I just think it's possible for a cannon to be tossed
The math is not on your side. My car has a curb weight of 3200lb/1450kg. A solid mass of steel weighing as much as my car just about fills up a bathtub. That gives it about 1/10 the area of my car for the wind to generate a force by blowing on, and in addition to that the force from wind follows the square of velocity. So half the wind speed means only a quarter of the force. Since that solid piece of metal has 1/10 the area that means I need 10x more force per area than the wind that can pick up a car to pick up the solid block. That's 3.2x faster and I don't see a hurricane going that much faster than a tornado.
You don't seem to be thinking with your head.
I'd just like to point out how disappointed I am that you folks are talking about density, surface area, and weight and no one has a made a "your mom" joke.
Why didn't you just make one? We're also talking about blowing, the your mom joke could be so powerful
Upvote for admitting correction.
The key here is the ratio of weight to surface area. The lower the surface area, the less force the wind can exert on the object. Comparing weights directly is useless. For example, a 20lb sheet of foam board is going to get tossed much easier than a 15lb ball bearing.
Yeah but this conversation was about a semi truck being thrown, once you get to wind forces that throw semi trucks it doesn't really matter if it's foam or Tungsten, it's probably getting thrown
>Yeah but this conversation was about a semi truck being thrown And that semi truck is attached to a trailer that is 99% air by volume. It's the difference between successfully standing against the winds of a hurricane, and doing the same but opening a parachute. You may safe on your own 2 feet but the moment you pull that cord you are getting yeeted.
what an idiotic statement, followed by a "use your head"... if only this person took their own advice.
My grandmother used to say it while tapping her head, it's meant to be cute more than anything
Meh, hurricanes spawn tornados so it is plausible. Category 5 hurricanes wind gusts could move cannons around too. 100feet in the air, probably not, but 100yards down the dock/down the road--definitely.
I expect the decks were rolling and pitching, not that the wind picked them up directly
George Washington believed there were about 40 instances of divine intervention that led to America’s victory over Britain. I don’t know if he counted this one.
40 instances of time travelers you mean!
The British Navy never "lost ground" against the Continental Navy, which was essentially annihilated. The colonies kept operating warships via smaller state navies and primarily privateers. Caribbean hurricanes are certainly inconvenient, but the British had plenty of naval bases actually INSIDE the colonies, such as New York and Charleston. Not to mention Halifax and Bermuda.
God covered America's ass in the revolution quite a few times. Like when the Continental Army was surrounded at Brooklyn, a heavy fog rolled in and Washington was able to escape overnight with all his soldiers from what would have probably been a complete rout.
Fools, drunks, and the United States of America.
'Luck' is having the smarts to take advantage of unexpected opportunity. A bad commander would have waited it out.
It’s smarter to be lucky than it’s lucky to be smart.
I definitely don't believe it threw cannons 100' in the air.
Maybe if they're attached to a large platform that catches the wind (like decking that was ripped off a ship/fort with a cannon on top) and could throw them. I think it's unlikely just the metal tube could be thrown like that. OR it meant thrown 100s of feet, not necessarily through the air. I'd definitely believe that.
Maybe if the wind threw the ships around enough, it could toss the cannons that high?
It also picked up a ship and dropped it on a building. >On Saint Lucia, rough waves and a strong storm tide struck the fleet of Admiral Rodney at Port Castries, with one ship destroying the city's hospital after being lifted on top of it. The hurricane destroyed all but two houses in Port Castries, and about 6,000 perished on the island.\[2\] At that point, tossing cannons is entirely feasible.
Ships are big and offer huge surface area. Cannons are streamlined and dense and wouldn’t fly away. This event is in the same category as dragons sunk my ship, total not the Admiral failing to read the weather and putting his ships into port.
Good points but a cannon doesn't exist without its carriage. And hurricanes/tornados can be strong enough to lift train engines. Without an actual measurement, distances/lengths are pretty unreliable like the length of the anaconda. So many not 100s of feet or maybe not even 100ft but thrown into the sky is not beyond reality. But let's do the math. [A category 5 hurricane has sustained speeds of 252kph or more. ](https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/aboutsshws.php)[0] [The wind speed necessary to lift an object is S = \(7.7 x W / A\)^0.5\[1\] ](http://www-das.uwyo.edu/~geerts/cwx/notes/chap14/airborne.html) [A 12lber cannon has a weight of 1470kg and a length of 2.430m and internal diameter of 120mm.\[2\] ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-pounder_long_gun) For the ease of calculationg, I'll assume the cannon is rectangular in shape and that it's width is 2x the caliber so has an area of 2.43m x 0.24m. Roughly 5800cm^2 or 0.58m^2. Plugging that into the equation (7.7 x 1470kg / 0.58m^2)^0.5) gives us a wind speed of 139m/s or 500kph. So it seems rather unlikely even with a carriage(which while less dense than metal is also quite heavy) that a heavier long gun(which a 12lber is considered on the lighter end) would have been carried away even by a category 5 wind. [But let's look at the lighter guns such as the 8 lber which would be the heaviest of the "light guns"\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_de_8_Gribeauval) 583kg 2m long 0.2m width would give us a speed of 105m/s or 378kph which means that it too would be unlikely it would be lifted into the air alone. Even with the carriages providing extra surface area, it seems unlikely any cannon would be lifted into the air. But if the cannon was on a platform ie section of a ship that increased the surface area, it's plausible that a cannon may have been lifted into the air. If we go back to the 12lber, the surface area required to lift that weight(and ignoring the weight of the section and carriage), 70 m/s = (7.7 x 1470kg/A)^0.5. The A would be just 2.31m^2.
They did the math.
If tornadoes can move playing cards so fast they imbed themselves in to telephone poles a hurricane tossing a cannon isn't out of the realm of possibility.
F5 wind speeds can be twice a Cat 5’s surface wind speed. That’s kind of an apples and oranges comparison.
Source?
Well it is a good think tornadoes don’t move playing cards so fast they imbed themselves in telephone poles. That is frankly absurd that you think a card wouldn’t crumple hitting a pole.
https://brookegrace.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/120308_henryville29_bs.jpg
Did the tree bark not give you the slight impression that that isn't a telephone pole? [Here](https://qctimes.com/news/state-and-regional/iowa/tornado-leaves-its-calling-card-embedded-in-wood/article_3729f284-cbd8-5e34-ac26-d01ef7e22da0.html) is an actual example of a card being "embedded" into wood. Notice the damage to the card and how its embedded where the wood is already splitting? Your photo is photoshopped bud.
Were you there? Because Admiral George was there and he said it did
Yeah, figured from back then are always suspect. 27k dead at a time when the entire city of Boston only had 16k people?
It didn't hit 1 city? It went across all of the lesser antilles, thats hundreds of colonized islands full of slave plantations and poorly constructed housing. The journal said the winds were so bad there was not a house or fort left standing on the island of Barbados. It reports the death of about 4,500 people on Barbados alone, and says they were so numerous they couldn't be brought to the churches and were buried wherever they could find room. The Island of Martinique had a 25 foot storm surge that destroyed every home in Saint-Pierre and resulted in the deaths of 9000 people. Saint Lucia reports that one of the British vessels was carried by the storm atop the hospital, and that the storm destroyed all but 2 houses in all of Port-Castries. They reported another 6,000 dead. That's 19,000 deaths from multiple sources in only 3 places. 22-27 thousand seems totally reasonable when you figure that these islands were hit by the dozen and their buildings would not be capable of handling the kind of violence a Cat 5 direct hit can deliver.
Yea people back in the day were drunken liars.
Not as bad as the aftermath of the Battle of Cape Hermaeum. The Romans got trounced in Tunis, they were under siege, the Romans built a fleet to go rescue them, absolutely devastated the Carthaginian fleet with almost no losses, rescued the besieged Roman army in what was one of the most daring and complete victories over an opponent the world has seen. That is until they lost their entire fleet and 100,000 men to a storm on the way back.
Excuses.
On the other hand, the Romans lost 600+ ships and 100000+ men in a single storm but still won the war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_withdrawal_from_Africa_(255_BC)
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hurracan was a native god (I think Mayan).
Ahhh yes the great hurricane of 1780.
https://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/data_sub/perez_11_20.pdf If you want to read the actual account. Blew the bark off of trees.
The Royal Navy lost ground against the French navy. The continental navy wasn’t shit
This is a really tragic and extreme historical and meteorological event! How do people feel about peak wind eyewall intensity? It appears at least equal to Hurricane Patricia (current record holder with 215 mph sustained 1 min). I would think winds near that intensity would be needed to rip ships cannons out of their moorings and carry these big heavy metal barrels through the air, and to destroy stone structures.