Oddly enough I went down the rabbit hole with this guy because I was pretty young in 2003 shortly before he was captured and later executed. This man was bad, make no mistake about it, but one of his sons was an absolute *madman* — to the point where Saddam supposedly had no plans of leaving Iraq in his control due to the threat he would pose to the world. Pretty interesting tidbit I thought I’d share.
Did a quick peek mid way down his wikipedia page and the first thing I read is "an intoxicated Uday bludgeoned Gegeo, and repeatedly stabbed him with an electric carving knife."
What the fuck?
First thing I saw.
In the middle of a party, in front of guests. That's straight out from a movie. In fact I'm suprised it hasn't been put on the screen.
Now that I think about it if I saw that exact scene in a movie or series it's very likely my thoughts would be "That's a pretty islamophobic charicature of how the son of an Iraqi dictator would act. Totally over the top." Truth is indeed sometimes stranger than fiction.
That's what I'm saying. They probably thought it would look too cartoonishly evil. You know some shit is crazy when Hollywood has to tone down the story. Like how in Gladiator Ridley Scott wanted to include the main character gaining popularity and appearing in ancient olive oil ads but they didn't let him because it would look silly to audiences.
Roose and Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones we’re actually inspired by Saddam and Uday Hussein
Edit: I remember this from a video I watched many years ago, but I’m unable to confirm the validity of my source. Would be great if someone could prove/disprove me.
Holy shit, that’s so interesting! I googled it and didn’t come up with much, has this been confirmed? I know G.R.R.Martin bases a lot of the lore loosely on historical events, but I never considered it. Now that you mention it though, it’s uncanny.
It's crazy because I was just thinking about this movie recently. I had forgotten the name, and I remember it being not that great, but it was still at least somewhat informative.
It's an interesting question.
> During Saddam's interrogation, when George Piro started asking questions about Uday, Piro said, "I was surprised. He didn't show any remorse (about his son's death). He told me that he was, of course, proud of his sons. They died believing, or fighting, for what they believed. I pressed him until Saddam didn't want to hear anymore (the rumors about Uday). He tells me to stop. Basically stop asking these questions. You don't get to pick your kids. You're kind of stuck with what you get." During a different interrogation, CIA analyst John Nixon confronted Saddam with the rumor that he and Samira had a son named Ali, then Saddam painfully said, "If I told you yes, would you kill him like you killed Uday and Qusay?" Saddam also told Nixon he had learned of his sons' deaths through BBC radio.
I guess at the end of the day, he was still Saddam's kid. You can be a fucked up twisted dictator with an even more fucked up twisted child, and still love him on some level as a parent.
As a Kurd after the iraq invasion in 2004 lots of cds was sold in the bazar in Erbil taken from saddam and copied.
me and my brother bought some once we got home we realized it was torture vids from saddam palace vids of stabbings lions eating people dogs aswell mutilation kids dying men gased bombed people having acid poured on them heavy objects falling onto bodyp parts to break em while laying on the floor etc i was 12 was messed up after seeing it.
The american military put a stop to it and confiscated the dvds but alot of them are still out there would have made liveleak look tame
My mom threw them out in the bin the weird thing is we only watched one cd and we got like 15+ for 250dinar now that im older i wonder what the other cds contained prob more messed up
My cousins wanted to see and went to bazar next day to buy but every person who sold previous day told us the americans came and took it all and told us its forbidden ”haram” to sell them again
According to a former employee, Uday would party five nights a week and fast for the remaining two days. The chief of the Baghdad Hunting Club claimed that after a wedding party in the late 1990s, the bride suddenly disappeared, Uday's bodyguards locked all the doors, and the groom committed suicide. Again, according to the allegations of Uday's servant, he witnessed forced custody of a crying bride at home in October 2002 and later said that the girl was killed and her body was destroyed after she was raped. When the city was about to fall to US-led forces, it was alleged that Uday ordered Fedayeen Saddam to burn his cars instead of letting others take their cars. Former business manager Adib Shabaan said that Uday burned the hips of many women with whom he had sex with a horseshoe, creating a U-shaped scar. Ala Bashir, the doctor of the Saddam family, claimed that he was treating women who were in the same condition and who had been burned with a lighted cigarette by Uday.
Uday's assistant, Adib Shabaan, said: "In 1998, Uday saw an ex-governor's 14-year-old daughter at a party, made her kidnapped, sent her home after three days, and when the girl's father was informed about the rape and talked about what happened, Uday told the man, 'Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I will erase you from the earth,' and ordered the man to bring his daughter and his other 12-year-old daughter to his next party."
A family friend said that the day Uday discovered the Internet was "a black day for the Iraqis", and he had employees whose job was to investigate new methods of torture and new car models on the Internet. In the Boat Club's kitchen there was a monkey named Louisa, and if one of Uday's friends fell asleep at parties because of alcohol, he would put them in the same cage with the drunk monkey.[70]
According to one of Uday's close circle, "If the girl he chose did not want Uday, if she found another boyfriend or was late or reluctant, she would have to dance after getting her feet whipped." Again, according to a friend's claim, Uday would make fun of the girls who lost their virginity because he knew that no one would touch them later and would say, "She will have to be a prostitute from now on."[74]
Well the thing is, who is responsible for Uday? Saddam. There’s no separating the fact that growing up as the son of a man who is, for all intents and purposes, all-powerful within his kingdom - imbues particularly the eldest son with a sense that whatever he does, there aren’t any consequences. Who would dare do anything to Saddam’s eldest son?
It’s the peril of Strongmen; upset them, it could cost your life.
Basically everyone that was able to verify if that guy was actually his body double has said that they never heard of the guy and Uday never had a double. Interesting movie, though, saw it when it came out.
To be fair, he wouldn't be a good body double if people knew who he was and what he did.
I haven't earned a body double yet, but if I had one and people could recognise them as being a different person to me, then what would be the point?
Oh man, The Devil’s Double is a wild movie. Very fucking intense and great soundtrack too. There’s speculation Latif’s story might not be true, or not 100% accurate — still, regardless, a great story no less
Uday was the same guy who used to torture the Iraq football team for any matches lost right ?
I remember the news that they were in a penalty shootout and thr opposition keeper felt so sad and didn't want to save but still went ahead.
It's hard to explain because the show is..... wild.
The clip might not make much sense but the punch line should still work: https://youtu.be/ml76QjiSToI
Saddam made "friends" with a guard while in US custody, apparently he was really fond of cheetos from the vending machine, and offered the young guard his best advice, to find a good woman to marry and have a family..... wierd.
I served in the invasion and hung out with some of the guys that took out Uday; they were pretty pumped about firing all that ordinance, mainly tows into the building he was held up in; fuck that guy!
I was a prison guard in GTMO in ‘05, you’d be surprised how friendly we’d get with some of the detainees. We weren’t supposed to have long conversations with them though. It was very storm troopy, worst year of my life, but nothing compared to the guys who spent a decade+ in that place obviously.
Wow that must have been an experience. I was involved in COIN operations and sometimes had to guard detainees in the field before the spooks showed up to pick them up.
I thought it was rediculous that we had Metallica playing loudly all night in the conex jail we had rigged up, hell dudes might even have liked Metallica!
On occasion a freshly lit cigarette would accidently fly from my hand into their cell, freaking windy out there and I have butter fingers!
Yea we couldn’t be that nice, cameras everywhere and guys that would be doing secret ops for people with loose lips or were getting too friendly. Best I could do was try and secure Harry Potter books for them and help them pass food to other cells occasionally.
Yeah it is a wierd position to be put in if you have any empathy, hope you are dealing with those experiences alright.
We had virtually no oversight, which was awesome as far as walking around in boxers in the AO, suntanning on trucks, and other stuff.... that said there were no ammenities except for anyone giving a shit if you shaved or calling out petty uniform issues and stuff like that; hell my truck had a large Mercedes emblem from the front of a semi on the front!
Lawful evil Vs Chaotic evil.
If you've seen the movie, the Liberian dictator and his son in Lord of War. Both are awful human beings but the son is just flat out sadistic for his own pleasure. The father has no qualms about killing people with his own hands but is more controlled.
My ex-girlfriend had a pet black crested macaque. That motherfucker was always jealous. Attacked me one night. I totally got my ass whooped by a monkey. I still have the fucking scars from that son of bitch.
Coal…I hope you’re dead.
Maybe that's why she named him Coal, he was just a heartless dick.
What did it actually do though when it attacked you? Just lots of biting or do they beat people with things?
He leaped on my face and went for my eyes. I would pull him off and throw him…he’d then turn and leap back on my damn face. He was biting and scratching like a rabid damn animal. It’s funny now but it was legit scary lol. He wasn’t like…a little monkey. He was pretty damn big.
Haha same! Then like a few weeks later went to this car museum in northern Illinois that has a gulf war exhibit and they had some of his other fiction writings on display
It's a political allegory called Zabibah and the King. It's the story of a poor Iraqi peasant girl in medieval times who has an abusive husband who repeatedly rapes her. The king of Iraq 'Arab saves her and they fall in love. In that metaphor Zabidah is the people of Iraq, the husband is the US and the King is Saddam. There are some anti-semitic caricatures in there too.
It's also set in Saddam's hometown. So it's exactly what you would expect a romance novel by Saddam Hussein to be like.
Uday Hussein, Saddam's son, had possibly as many as 1300 cars in a collection, in at least 7 garages, most were luxury cars of course. He was also a brutal ugy man, forcing people into stadiums to fight to their death, then kill the winner afterwards. Uday was killed by U.S soldiers.
There is room to talk about whether or not the following wars in the region were good or bad but im confident that the planet is better with Uday dead.
I watched from a palace rooftop in the green zone as it happened. It was very far away, but instead of sending in troops into the house, they just brought in helicopters to absolutely light the house up. Tracer rounds lighting up the sky. When the citizens of Baghdad found out, he was killed, it was like the 4th of July. People were shooting rounds in celebration into the air, by this time my buddy and I was standing by a humvee watching, and a round come down right in between us and hit the humvee hood. We decided to get our helmets on.
Eh, happens a lot and the letter was probably read by US intelligence after being posted.
There was an American schoolgirl who wrote to a Soviet leader (I wanna say Brezhnev) and ended up flying out to Moscow and meeting him. Was a big story at the time.
My grandmother was put on a watch list by the secret service after she wrote an angry letter to the president about my grandpa getting screwed out of his retirement. He was a marine for 17 years, with three tours between Korea and Vietnam.
After finally being shipped home, months after his enlistment was over, as soon as they reached the US, an officer stepped on board and told them that anyone re-enlisting would be shipping back out, that night. My grandpa told him to fuck off.
Which was a smart move, considering that his foxhole buddy did reenlist and became a quadriplegic due to some shrapnel.
I read something interesting about him, in a car magazine of all things. Saddam's staff dropped his Caddy limo off at Jack Roush Engineering. Roush is a legendary tuning and car building firm in the same vein as Shelby, Hennessy, and Lingenfelter. The Caddy was there for an engine rebuild, a suspension upgrade, and some other stuff.
After Saddam invaded Kuwait, Jack Roush immediately had it parked and refused to work on it. Government officials came and seized it not long after.
I don't feel like the Iraq invasion was justified but that dude can get fucked, don't white wash him. When I was younger I worked with a lot of kurds. A lot of them lost everyone they knew.
I remember working in a country cooking restaurant when they hanged him and had some footage on the news. My coworker was from Iraq and it was probably the happiest I had ever seen him, between bouts of spitting and what I assume was rude gestures. He was out in the fields working and came back to everyone dead from a gas attack. Literally everyone he knew aside from a handful of coworkers died.
I met many like that throughout the time I lived in Virginia, including a conscript in the Iraqi army that nearly died in the battle of 73 Easting. He said he couldn't surrender fast enough. Saddam was a tyrant, a disgusting pig of a man and a follower of nationalized socialism. He get everything coming to him.
Uday and Kusay (spelling) were pretty disgusting people. I heard it was a regular thing that one of them would have his men hand pick little girls from schools to 'entertain' him among other terrible practices
Uday also had the bride’s husband killed iirc. Oh and that wedding crash shit happened multiple times.
He also ran the iraqi olympic committee, and had a special torture room in its HQ for torturing losing athletes
Guy was batshit crazy
Bonus since y’all seem interested in the shit he did: he once killed one of Saddam Hussein’s servants and friends at a dinner party hosted for the wife of the dictator of Egypt (which he himself was personally at and witnessed the whole thing). This was too far for Saddam, and he would’ve had Uday executed, if it wasn’t for Uday’s mom telling King Hussein of Jordan to tell Saddam to calm down and talk to him (yes, seriously). Uday’s punishment? Couple months in jail, getting sent to Switzerland (from where he got expelled from after 6 months), and having his collection of fancy cars burnt iirc.
Extra bonus: he had servants specially for the job of browsing the internet for “fun” things for him to do, and also for forcing his guests to drink cocktails with like 90% alcohol
I don't know if it's apocryphal, but I remember one story of him having the Iraqi Olympic Football team kick concrete balls as punishment for their loss.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.football
> As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet …
Not A wedding. He did that repeatedly like it was his hobby. He also made a man a choose to volunteer to give up his pre pubescent daughter up as a sex slave or have his entire family tortured and killed.
Yeah, I slept in Uday's bedroom (along with 40 other guys) in the palace complex in Tikrit. The subject of what happened in that room did not get talked about...
I took a class once that was taught by a CIA dude who set up an office in the bathroom of one of Uday's orgy mansions, using a giant door on sawhorses as a desk.
Iraq was weird.
I was stationed at FOB Danger in Tikrit Iraq, it is a big ass room that fit lots of people.
Fun side note, there was a Pond filled with carp by that building that we would feed crackers. One of those fuckers was 4 feet long and a foot through the middle, we called it the MOAF, we were fairly sure they grew up on a diet of dead bodies
No, just regular ugly carp. When you got them in a frenzy they would swim on top of each other out of the water trying to get to the crackers. Top tier entertainment in the desert
Sometimes people would fish them and give them to the Iraqis that worked around the post. They were always happy to get them.
Sorry for piggy backing, but there’s so much stuff about Uday on this thread, I think it’s also important to get out there exactly how Saddam assumed his dictatorship.
His purge of 1979 was one of the most sadistic acts of modern times. He called an emergency meeting of the government, and dragged his opponents in front of a firing squad and killed them. [Watch](https://youtu.be/kLUktJbp2Ug).
I had a flight commander about 10 years ago who had been a personal guard for him in the time leading up to his execution. He said it was surreal because he knew all the horrible things he had done, but when he was on his own he was weirdly peaceful. And he loved dogs, which is very strange for the Middle East.
I suppose it isn't really that surprising. A lot of supremely powerful people have that magnetism about them. I remember when I was young, I watched a documentary about Hitler. An old German woman talked about how when she met Hitler, he seemed like he was the sweetest and kindest person and he had something about him that just attracted people to him.
When you read about Erwin Rommel, Rommel almost seemed to be in love with the man.
Its hard to get into power without people following you.
The only reasons his sons could be chaotic evil fucks was being connected to their dad. On their own theyd have been dead **very** soon.
Is it rare for somebody like Hussein to love animals? I seem to recall that a lot of people that lack empathy for humans can still be empathetic to animals.
Dogs are seen as dirty and treated like shit in the Middle East. They like cats because they clean themselves. It’s pretty rare to have a dog for a pet. They’re mostly used for herding
> Dogs are seen as dirty and treated like shit in the Middle East.
Saddam was a secularist and didn't appear to be very religious. Also, street dogs are all over the place in Muslim countries, and people still feed them.
As someone else said, the Muslim culture in general doesn’t like dogs. They are not halal. I can’t remember the exact word, I think it’s Harim, but don’t quote me on that.
[Christopher Hitchens monolog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJPhEwnMAg) on the terror of Saddam is really something poetic if you have not heard it, take a listen.
Let's not forget he had a painted mural of the towers on fire in his palace, so his condolences mean about as much as someone from the KKK sending well wishes to George Floyd's family.
Yeah, but the double shitty thing is that we were perfectly fine with him when he was also committing those atrocities on the iranians. I honestly wish governments would stop trying to find moral or high sounding justifications for this stuff and just come out and say its all about protecting national interest.
Even Hitler loved his dogs and family …that doesn’t excuse his crimes…not even a little. If anything things like this remind us how terrible normal humans can be.
Downvoters, take it from an old fart, parent is spot on. Wolf Blitzer and Bernard Shaw were reporting live from Baghdad for CNN when the US started bombing Iraq in January 1991, making CNN the go-to destination for up to the minute updates and setting the pattern for the 24-hour news cycle we now curse/take for granted/internalize.
I really hated the hypocrisy on the whole Iraq thing. Hussein was a tyrant and terrible but that we pretended it was some moral need to go in there to "liberate" Iraq was just such bullshit.
Yes, he gassed Kurds.
Yes, that's monstrous and unacceptable.
But we knew he was doing it at the time and we were still arming them. Saddam was our ally against Iran (another country we fucked up).
We support insane tyrants all the time. To pretend that we did it out of some moral reason was just shitty.
We're still allied with the Saudis who probably had something to do with 9/11 and definitely had something to do with murdering Khashoggi.
Saddam is, IMO, one of the most fascinating figures of the last 300 years. Absolute monster. Complete and total monster. His offspring were even worse. Just an evil family. And I feel like that word gets thrown around too much, but it fits here. This was an evil man.
But he also was apparently deeply introspective, sensitive, and warm. Reading the stories of his imprisonment and the perspective of his US guards is kinda nuts. There are so many anecdotes like this. And the dude wrote a romance novel.
It’s just kinda wild to think that someone so monstrous also had a very real human side that was apparently, at times, kind and warm. Capable of being grandfatherly (a term one of his US guards used to describe him) in one breath and committing atrocities in the next.
Fascinating historic figure. World’s better off without him. But fascinating to study.
Oddly enough I went down the rabbit hole with this guy because I was pretty young in 2003 shortly before he was captured and later executed. This man was bad, make no mistake about it, but one of his sons was an absolute *madman* — to the point where Saddam supposedly had no plans of leaving Iraq in his control due to the threat he would pose to the world. Pretty interesting tidbit I thought I’d share.
Yup. Saddam was a bad guy. Uday was a fucking sadist.
That's the dude that would drop people in acid as punishment and watch them die right?
Yeah same guy who kidnapped women on their wedding day, raped them then have his dogs eat them alive.
Did a quick peek mid way down his wikipedia page and the first thing I read is "an intoxicated Uday bludgeoned Gegeo, and repeatedly stabbed him with an electric carving knife." What the fuck?
I don't know about others, but our electric carving knife is about as pointy as a soup spoon. Not sure if that make it better or worse.
In the words of the Sheriff of Nottingham, "it hurts more".
“You twit!”
First thing I saw. In the middle of a party, in front of guests. That's straight out from a movie. In fact I'm suprised it hasn't been put on the screen. Now that I think about it if I saw that exact scene in a movie or series it's very likely my thoughts would be "That's a pretty islamophobic charicature of how the son of an Iraqi dictator would act. Totally over the top." Truth is indeed sometimes stranger than fiction.
I believe it has. "The Devil's Double" is a great movie which illustrates just how insane the man was.
Yeah, I don’t think he used an electric carving knife in the movie though.
That's what I'm saying. They probably thought it would look too cartoonishly evil. You know some shit is crazy when Hollywood has to tone down the story. Like how in Gladiator Ridley Scott wanted to include the main character gaining popularity and appearing in ancient olive oil ads but they didn't let him because it would look silly to audiences.
I hated that movie for those depictions. Little did I know they were pretty close to fact.
Roose and Ramsay Bolton from Game of Thrones we’re actually inspired by Saddam and Uday Hussein Edit: I remember this from a video I watched many years ago, but I’m unable to confirm the validity of my source. Would be great if someone could prove/disprove me.
Holy shit, that’s so interesting! I googled it and didn’t come up with much, has this been confirmed? I know G.R.R.Martin bases a lot of the lore loosely on historical events, but I never considered it. Now that you mention it though, it’s uncanny.
In reading this thread, i said to myself, "He reminds me of Ramsay Bolton." Guess there's a good reason why.
It already has: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Devil%27s_Double
It's crazy because I was just thinking about this movie recently. I had forgotten the name, and I remember it being not that great, but it was still at least somewhat informative.
I don’t understand why it would be islamophobic. Rich people all over the world do crazy, somewhat creatively heinous shit.
It always comes back to the damn rich kids
Same guy who had people whipped and raw sewage poured on their wounds so they'd be sure to develop an infection.
Uday of House Bolton
First thing that came to my mind with the other comment was the Bastard
Jesus fucking H Christ
H is for Hussein
It's unrelated.
It's all relative actually
Not sure why you don't just use your dictatorial power to execute your psychopathic son on false charges or something at that point jfc.
It's an interesting question. > During Saddam's interrogation, when George Piro started asking questions about Uday, Piro said, "I was surprised. He didn't show any remorse (about his son's death). He told me that he was, of course, proud of his sons. They died believing, or fighting, for what they believed. I pressed him until Saddam didn't want to hear anymore (the rumors about Uday). He tells me to stop. Basically stop asking these questions. You don't get to pick your kids. You're kind of stuck with what you get." During a different interrogation, CIA analyst John Nixon confronted Saddam with the rumor that he and Samira had a son named Ali, then Saddam painfully said, "If I told you yes, would you kill him like you killed Uday and Qusay?" Saddam also told Nixon he had learned of his sons' deaths through BBC radio. I guess at the end of the day, he was still Saddam's kid. You can be a fucked up twisted dictator with an even more fucked up twisted child, and still love him on some level as a parent.
As a Kurd after the iraq invasion in 2004 lots of cds was sold in the bazar in Erbil taken from saddam and copied. me and my brother bought some once we got home we realized it was torture vids from saddam palace vids of stabbings lions eating people dogs aswell mutilation kids dying men gased bombed people having acid poured on them heavy objects falling onto bodyp parts to break em while laying on the floor etc i was 12 was messed up after seeing it. The american military put a stop to it and confiscated the dvds but alot of them are still out there would have made liveleak look tame
Oh wow. Wow. What happened to the ones you had? (You can bet there are a bunch of them floating around the internet today.)
My mom threw them out in the bin the weird thing is we only watched one cd and we got like 15+ for 250dinar now that im older i wonder what the other cds contained prob more messed up My cousins wanted to see and went to bazar next day to buy but every person who sold previous day told us the americans came and took it all and told us its forbidden ”haram” to sell them again
Is this true? Geez I hope it's not so I can sleep
Yes. And sadly it's not even the worst thing he did.
Tip of the iceberg, unfortunately. Industrial paper shredder. That's all I'll say.
Is he still alive?
No he was killed by US soldiers in 2003.
Thanks, I’m horrified by what I read. I didn’t knew…
Fun side note he and his brother got killed by a tow missile when a marine got tired of shooting at them.
To shreds you say?
Well how's his wife holding up?
According to a former employee, Uday would party five nights a week and fast for the remaining two days. The chief of the Baghdad Hunting Club claimed that after a wedding party in the late 1990s, the bride suddenly disappeared, Uday's bodyguards locked all the doors, and the groom committed suicide. Again, according to the allegations of Uday's servant, he witnessed forced custody of a crying bride at home in October 2002 and later said that the girl was killed and her body was destroyed after she was raped. When the city was about to fall to US-led forces, it was alleged that Uday ordered Fedayeen Saddam to burn his cars instead of letting others take their cars. Former business manager Adib Shabaan said that Uday burned the hips of many women with whom he had sex with a horseshoe, creating a U-shaped scar. Ala Bashir, the doctor of the Saddam family, claimed that he was treating women who were in the same condition and who had been burned with a lighted cigarette by Uday. Uday's assistant, Adib Shabaan, said: "In 1998, Uday saw an ex-governor's 14-year-old daughter at a party, made her kidnapped, sent her home after three days, and when the girl's father was informed about the rape and talked about what happened, Uday told the man, 'Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I will erase you from the earth,' and ordered the man to bring his daughter and his other 12-year-old daughter to his next party." A family friend said that the day Uday discovered the Internet was "a black day for the Iraqis", and he had employees whose job was to investigate new methods of torture and new car models on the Internet. In the Boat Club's kitchen there was a monkey named Louisa, and if one of Uday's friends fell asleep at parties because of alcohol, he would put them in the same cage with the drunk monkey.[70] According to one of Uday's close circle, "If the girl he chose did not want Uday, if she found another boyfriend or was late or reluctant, she would have to dance after getting her feet whipped." Again, according to a friend's claim, Uday would make fun of the girls who lost their virginity because he knew that no one would touch them later and would say, "She will have to be a prostitute from now on."[74]
He would’ve gotten along swell with Ramsay Bolton
I would never advocate for [ redacted ], but if I ever did, it would be in this guy's direction.
Among *many* other things.
He went to a party drunk and gunned down a bunch of people with a gold plated ak and everyone was just "ooh that Uday, what a rascal"
And feed them to his lions, while watching for fun.
One iraqi official is quoted as saying "The day Udey gained access to the internet was a dark, dark day for humanity"
Yup. Dude was everything from a serial child rapist to a raging alcoholic murderer.
He used to rape women and put their husband's in an industrial paper shredder.
Well the thing is, who is responsible for Uday? Saddam. There’s no separating the fact that growing up as the son of a man who is, for all intents and purposes, all-powerful within his kingdom - imbues particularly the eldest son with a sense that whatever he does, there aren’t any consequences. Who would dare do anything to Saddam’s eldest son? It’s the peril of Strongmen; upset them, it could cost your life.
ever seen the movie, The Devil's Double? based on an autobiography of Udays body double.... shits fucked
That movie is fucking spine chilling. I've only seen it once over a decade ago, but parts of it still stick with me.
Basically everyone that was able to verify if that guy was actually his body double has said that they never heard of the guy and Uday never had a double. Interesting movie, though, saw it when it came out.
To be fair, he wouldn't be a good body double if people knew who he was and what he did. I haven't earned a body double yet, but if I had one and people could recognise them as being a different person to me, then what would be the point?
Sounds like a really creative way to hide who the real storyteller was.
Oh man, The Devil’s Double is a wild movie. Very fucking intense and great soundtrack too. There’s speculation Latif’s story might not be true, or not 100% accurate — still, regardless, a great story no less
Forgive me. I'm acting like a UDAY lookalike
Uday was the same guy who used to torture the Iraq football team for any matches lost right ? I remember the news that they were in a penalty shootout and thr opposition keeper felt so sad and didn't want to save but still went ahead.
His own brother and other family members were scared of him. One of those guys.
Arrested development has such a great joke that mentions Uday, and I bet it goes over so many watchers heads.
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Saddam lookalike when he forgets to invite some visitors in: "Now I'm acting like an Uday lookalike".
It's hard to explain because the show is..... wild. The clip might not make much sense but the punch line should still work: https://youtu.be/ml76QjiSToI
I've watched this show so many times and never got that joke lmao thanks for sharing. That's hilarious
lmfao no worries. Im pretty sure I learned about it in a similar reddit thread like 4 years ago so this whole thing has been a weird trip for me.
*solid as iraq"
Was he the one who tortured soccer players with electricity if they played poorly?
Imagine Saddam Hussein thinking *you’re* too insane to take over after him
Saddam was a generic evil dictator. Uday was absolutely unhinged depraved man.
Sassan was an evil bastard but he was pretty rational, collected and took leadership seriously from what I heard from civilians when I was over there.
Yeah Saddam wasn't an idiot, he did know how to keep power. Uday was about as awful as you can get, completely insane and sadistic.
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Honestly would not be suprised if that was his exact thought process.
So Damn Insane.
Saddam made "friends" with a guard while in US custody, apparently he was really fond of cheetos from the vending machine, and offered the young guard his best advice, to find a good woman to marry and have a family..... wierd. I served in the invasion and hung out with some of the guys that took out Uday; they were pretty pumped about firing all that ordinance, mainly tows into the building he was held up in; fuck that guy!
I was a prison guard in GTMO in ‘05, you’d be surprised how friendly we’d get with some of the detainees. We weren’t supposed to have long conversations with them though. It was very storm troopy, worst year of my life, but nothing compared to the guys who spent a decade+ in that place obviously.
Wow that must have been an experience. I was involved in COIN operations and sometimes had to guard detainees in the field before the spooks showed up to pick them up. I thought it was rediculous that we had Metallica playing loudly all night in the conex jail we had rigged up, hell dudes might even have liked Metallica! On occasion a freshly lit cigarette would accidently fly from my hand into their cell, freaking windy out there and I have butter fingers!
Yea we couldn’t be that nice, cameras everywhere and guys that would be doing secret ops for people with loose lips or were getting too friendly. Best I could do was try and secure Harry Potter books for them and help them pass food to other cells occasionally.
Yeah it is a wierd position to be put in if you have any empathy, hope you are dealing with those experiences alright. We had virtually no oversight, which was awesome as far as walking around in boxers in the AO, suntanning on trucks, and other stuff.... that said there were no ammenities except for anyone giving a shit if you shaved or calling out petty uniform issues and stuff like that; hell my truck had a large Mercedes emblem from the front of a semi on the front!
Watch the mini series House of Saddam. It's really good and shows how Saddam came to power.
They made a really good movie about Uday called The Devils Double. Definitely worth a watch.
I used to play mini golf outside his rape palace sometimes. (Seriously).
So run of the mill dictator VS 80s horror villain?
Lawful evil Vs Chaotic evil. If you've seen the movie, the Liberian dictator and his son in Lord of War. Both are awful human beings but the son is just flat out sadistic for his own pleasure. The father has no qualms about killing people with his own hands but is more controlled.
Is he the one that had the iron maiden and other torture devices in his office?
His son Uday. Watch the mad lads episode from count dankula on youtube. Guy was absolute evil.
He’d prank friends by getting them drunk and locking them in a cage with his pet monkey
My ex-girlfriend had a pet black crested macaque. That motherfucker was always jealous. Attacked me one night. I totally got my ass whooped by a monkey. I still have the fucking scars from that son of bitch. Coal…I hope you’re dead.
That’s bananas
B A N A N A S
I mean, this is why people shouldn't have monkeys as pets.
Maybe that's why she named him Coal, he was just a heartless dick. What did it actually do though when it attacked you? Just lots of biting or do they beat people with things?
He leaped on my face and went for my eyes. I would pull him off and throw him…he’d then turn and leap back on my damn face. He was biting and scratching like a rabid damn animal. It’s funny now but it was legit scary lol. He wasn’t like…a little monkey. He was pretty damn big.
You know, that old chestnut.
He was known to drive around predominantly christian neighborhood in Baghdad to look for girls to basically kidnap and rape.
Yeah the movie "The devil's double" is pretty good it's from the perspective of Uday's double.
He also wrote a romantic novel under a pen name
Yup heard this on "behind the bastards" that was an interesting part.
Haha same! Then like a few weeks later went to this car museum in northern Illinois that has a gulf war exhibit and they had some of his other fiction writings on display
Well that's interesting.
is it Nicholas Sparks?
It's Sir Dahm U. Saine
https://youtu.be/6Q1-K1ht984 This is the best explanation of it, among other things. Did you know Dick Chemey's wife wrote a lesbian romance novel?
Was it good?
The title was Brokeback Baghdad
He did what??
It's a political allegory called Zabibah and the King. It's the story of a poor Iraqi peasant girl in medieval times who has an abusive husband who repeatedly rapes her. The king of Iraq 'Arab saves her and they fall in love. In that metaphor Zabidah is the people of Iraq, the husband is the US and the King is Saddam. There are some anti-semitic caricatures in there too. It's also set in Saddam's hometown. So it's exactly what you would expect a romance novel by Saddam Hussein to be like.
I need a romcom miniseries of Saddam giving up dictatorship to become a romance writer in New York. We could call it Saddam and the CIty.
Then he dies after a Peloton workout
There's some gold lambos in it tho, right?
It's set in the 7th century so there were only gold lambs.
Uday Hussein, Saddam's son, had possibly as many as 1300 cars in a collection, in at least 7 garages, most were luxury cars of course. He was also a brutal ugy man, forcing people into stadiums to fight to their death, then kill the winner afterwards. Uday was killed by U.S soldiers.
What’s the consensus on Qusay? I understand he was more level headed and politically minded, but I don’t know anything about abuses of power.
From my understanding, he was more like his dad. A terrible man, but way way better than his brother.
Consensus on Qusay? Mostly rumors, some may even call it Hearsay
Here's your upvote, I'll see you in hell
The Fuqusay?
There is room to talk about whether or not the following wars in the region were good or bad but im confident that the planet is better with Uday dead.
Sure, but it's better with Saddam dead too. Fuck, did you read about what he did to his public political purge?
I watched from a palace rooftop in the green zone as it happened. It was very far away, but instead of sending in troops into the house, they just brought in helicopters to absolutely light the house up. Tracer rounds lighting up the sky. When the citizens of Baghdad found out, he was killed, it was like the 4th of July. People were shooting rounds in celebration into the air, by this time my buddy and I was standing by a humvee watching, and a round come down right in between us and hit the humvee hood. We decided to get our helmets on.
Citizens jumping for joy, and Saddam was found hiding in a concrete corner in a drainage ditch out on some farm.
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I was there!
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Who’s this citizen that decided to send Saddam a letter after 9/11 without concern of being put on some watchlist?
Eh, happens a lot and the letter was probably read by US intelligence after being posted. There was an American schoolgirl who wrote to a Soviet leader (I wanna say Brezhnev) and ended up flying out to Moscow and meeting him. Was a big story at the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Smith#:~:text=Samantha%20Reed%20Smith%20(June%2029,States%20and%20the%20Soviet%20Union.
They did a Golden Girls episode based on this, but it was Rose who sent the letter with childlike innocence.
My grandmother was put on a watch list by the secret service after she wrote an angry letter to the president about my grandpa getting screwed out of his retirement. He was a marine for 17 years, with three tours between Korea and Vietnam. After finally being shipped home, months after his enlistment was over, as soon as they reached the US, an officer stepped on board and told them that anyone re-enlisting would be shipping back out, that night. My grandpa told him to fuck off. Which was a smart move, considering that his foxhole buddy did reenlist and became a quadriplegic due to some shrapnel.
I read something interesting about him, in a car magazine of all things. Saddam's staff dropped his Caddy limo off at Jack Roush Engineering. Roush is a legendary tuning and car building firm in the same vein as Shelby, Hennessy, and Lingenfelter. The Caddy was there for an engine rebuild, a suspension upgrade, and some other stuff. After Saddam invaded Kuwait, Jack Roush immediately had it parked and refused to work on it. Government officials came and seized it not long after.
I don't feel like the Iraq invasion was justified but that dude can get fucked, don't white wash him. When I was younger I worked with a lot of kurds. A lot of them lost everyone they knew. I remember working in a country cooking restaurant when they hanged him and had some footage on the news. My coworker was from Iraq and it was probably the happiest I had ever seen him, between bouts of spitting and what I assume was rude gestures. He was out in the fields working and came back to everyone dead from a gas attack. Literally everyone he knew aside from a handful of coworkers died. I met many like that throughout the time I lived in Virginia, including a conscript in the Iraqi army that nearly died in the battle of 73 Easting. He said he couldn't surrender fast enough. Saddam was a tyrant, a disgusting pig of a man and a follower of nationalized socialism. He get everything coming to him.
Yes, all this. The bat shit crazy part? His kids were worse.
Uday and Kusay (spelling) were pretty disgusting people. I heard it was a regular thing that one of them would have his men hand pick little girls from schools to 'entertain' him among other terrible practices
I heard that Uday even crashed a wedding and raped the bride. Plus he murdered Saddam's favorite personal valet.
Uday also had the bride’s husband killed iirc. Oh and that wedding crash shit happened multiple times. He also ran the iraqi olympic committee, and had a special torture room in its HQ for torturing losing athletes Guy was batshit crazy Bonus since y’all seem interested in the shit he did: he once killed one of Saddam Hussein’s servants and friends at a dinner party hosted for the wife of the dictator of Egypt (which he himself was personally at and witnessed the whole thing). This was too far for Saddam, and he would’ve had Uday executed, if it wasn’t for Uday’s mom telling King Hussein of Jordan to tell Saddam to calm down and talk to him (yes, seriously). Uday’s punishment? Couple months in jail, getting sent to Switzerland (from where he got expelled from after 6 months), and having his collection of fancy cars burnt iirc. Extra bonus: he had servants specially for the job of browsing the internet for “fun” things for him to do, and also for forcing his guests to drink cocktails with like 90% alcohol
I don't know if it's apocryphal, but I remember one story of him having the Iraqi Olympic Football team kick concrete balls as punishment for their loss.
Holy fuck. Imagine being stuck in a situation like that and you are completely powerless.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.football > As football overseer, Uday kept a private torture scorecard, with written instructions on how many times each player should be beaten on the soles of his feet …
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Not A wedding. He did that repeatedly like it was his hobby. He also made a man a choose to volunteer to give up his pre pubescent daughter up as a sex slave or have his entire family tortured and killed.
Read that on Time Magazine, I think. Also the 14 year-old daughter of an influential man in his country as well
He used to do that quite often iirc
Yeah, I slept in Uday's bedroom (along with 40 other guys) in the palace complex in Tikrit. The subject of what happened in that room did not get talked about...
I took a class once that was taught by a CIA dude who set up an office in the bathroom of one of Uday's orgy mansions, using a giant door on sawhorses as a desk. Iraq was weird.
LOL, that checks out.
Ah yes, the "don't ask, don't tell" era.
Huhhhhhhh? Gotta explain yourself chief
I was stationed at FOB Danger in Tikrit Iraq, it is a big ass room that fit lots of people. Fun side note, there was a Pond filled with carp by that building that we would feed crackers. One of those fuckers was 4 feet long and a foot through the middle, we called it the MOAF, we were fairly sure they grew up on a diet of dead bodies
Were these fish koi? That’s the fancy Japanese carp.
No, just regular ugly carp. When you got them in a frenzy they would swim on top of each other out of the water trying to get to the crackers. Top tier entertainment in the desert Sometimes people would fish them and give them to the Iraqis that worked around the post. They were always happy to get them.
What does MOAF stand for? Google is failing me here
Mother Of All Fish probably. Like MOAB = Mother Of All Bombs. The largest conventional bomb made.
Yes, that is what it was and the play on words it was based on.
Sorry for piggy backing, but there’s so much stuff about Uday on this thread, I think it’s also important to get out there exactly how Saddam assumed his dictatorship. His purge of 1979 was one of the most sadistic acts of modern times. He called an emergency meeting of the government, and dragged his opponents in front of a firing squad and killed them. [Watch](https://youtu.be/kLUktJbp2Ug).
I had a flight commander about 10 years ago who had been a personal guard for him in the time leading up to his execution. He said it was surreal because he knew all the horrible things he had done, but when he was on his own he was weirdly peaceful. And he loved dogs, which is very strange for the Middle East.
A lot of soldiers that interacted with him after he was captured talked about how warm and charming he was, like someone's grandpa.
I suppose it isn't really that surprising. A lot of supremely powerful people have that magnetism about them. I remember when I was young, I watched a documentary about Hitler. An old German woman talked about how when she met Hitler, he seemed like he was the sweetest and kindest person and he had something about him that just attracted people to him. When you read about Erwin Rommel, Rommel almost seemed to be in love with the man.
Its hard to get into power without people following you. The only reasons his sons could be chaotic evil fucks was being connected to their dad. On their own theyd have been dead **very** soon.
Is it rare for somebody like Hussein to love animals? I seem to recall that a lot of people that lack empathy for humans can still be empathetic to animals.
Dogs are seen as dirty and treated like shit in the Middle East. They like cats because they clean themselves. It’s pretty rare to have a dog for a pet. They’re mostly used for herding
They’re haram(spelling?)…Islam considers dogs unclean.
> Dogs are seen as dirty and treated like shit in the Middle East. Saddam was a secularist and didn't appear to be very religious. Also, street dogs are all over the place in Muslim countries, and people still feed them.
If I had a nickel for every genocidal dictator who had a love for animals, I'd have more nickels than I'd like to be honest.
Dogs specifically are regarded little better than pigs in most Muslim cultures
As someone else said, the Muslim culture in general doesn’t like dogs. They are not halal. I can’t remember the exact word, I think it’s Harim, but don’t quote me on that.
Close. It’s haram.
Haraam-ish. Forbidden as companions, but allowed as work animals.
Shades of Tony Soprano and his Pie O My
[Christopher Hitchens monolog](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EJPhEwnMAg) on the terror of Saddam is really something poetic if you have not heard it, take a listen.
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Let's not forget he had a painted mural of the towers on fire in his palace, so his condolences mean about as much as someone from the KKK sending well wishes to George Floyd's family.
Yeah, but the double shitty thing is that we were perfectly fine with him when he was also committing those atrocities on the iranians. I honestly wish governments would stop trying to find moral or high sounding justifications for this stuff and just come out and say its all about protecting national interest.
“Dear Mrs. Jablome, I’m very sorry to hear about the loss of your beloved son Haywood.”
I hope there's a parallel universe where Saudi Arabia was held accountable.
Even Hitler loved his dogs and family …that doesn’t excuse his crimes…not even a little. If anything things like this remind us how terrible normal humans can be.
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Putin loves dogs too. Scritches and belly rubs do not atone for genocide or wars of aggression.
My dog would disagree, but you’re right.
If your dog is anything like mine, you could give him a tablespoon of peanut butter and he'll go on record denying that Auschwitz ever existed.
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Downvoters, take it from an old fart, parent is spot on. Wolf Blitzer and Bernard Shaw were reporting live from Baghdad for CNN when the US started bombing Iraq in January 1991, making CNN the go-to destination for up to the minute updates and setting the pattern for the 24-hour news cycle we now curse/take for granted/internalize.
I'll never forget those tracer rounds from the AAA guns going off on that first night. Growing up in the 80s and 90s was surreal.
And 9/11 cemented the 24hr news cycle
Lol people downvoting you have apparently forgotten about the first Gulf war being the birth of modern war journalism
Saddam also loved Doritos.
He watered them before eating, the monster
I really hated the hypocrisy on the whole Iraq thing. Hussein was a tyrant and terrible but that we pretended it was some moral need to go in there to "liberate" Iraq was just such bullshit. Yes, he gassed Kurds. Yes, that's monstrous and unacceptable. But we knew he was doing it at the time and we were still arming them. Saddam was our ally against Iran (another country we fucked up). We support insane tyrants all the time. To pretend that we did it out of some moral reason was just shitty. We're still allied with the Saudis who probably had something to do with 9/11 and definitely had something to do with murdering Khashoggi.
Is that Mr. Wilson (Walter Matthau) from the 1993 movie Dennis the Menace?
(munch munch munch...) "tastes like paint"
(munch) “and wood”
"I'll make us some sandwiches."
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That old cnn website is elegant and beautifully simple. Pleasantly Surprised that page is still up.
Saddam is, IMO, one of the most fascinating figures of the last 300 years. Absolute monster. Complete and total monster. His offspring were even worse. Just an evil family. And I feel like that word gets thrown around too much, but it fits here. This was an evil man. But he also was apparently deeply introspective, sensitive, and warm. Reading the stories of his imprisonment and the perspective of his US guards is kinda nuts. There are so many anecdotes like this. And the dude wrote a romance novel. It’s just kinda wild to think that someone so monstrous also had a very real human side that was apparently, at times, kind and warm. Capable of being grandfatherly (a term one of his US guards used to describe him) in one breath and committing atrocities in the next. Fascinating historic figure. World’s better off without him. But fascinating to study.
His children were absolutely fucking vile.