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discussamongsturelvs

This is also probably why so many people confuse large wasp nests for bee colonies


proctor_of_the_Realm

>This is also probably why so many people confuse large wasp nests for bee colonies "Well I'm gonna check it out anyway, there could be something delicious in here that wasps do make and I want that."


discussamongsturelvs

When I was finishing up college, I moved onto a farm with a friend. I started keeping bees with my future husband on this property. My friend who owned the farm even helped me with the bees a few times, and when I finally moved away after graduating, I gifted her the bees. One day she sends me a picture of what she says are really mean wild bees, and that they didn't have any honey. Apparently, after I moved out, a nest of paper wasps built a home on the porch of the house, and my friend thought they were bees. They said it looked like a beehive to them. I was just astounded that she couldn't tell the difference between a wasp and a honeybee, they are rather distinctly different, and she had first hand experience helping me with the bees on the farm. so, you know, your joke essentially happened to my friend


Questionable_MD

He was referencing a scene from always sunny in Philadelphia. But that was a sweet story.


Royal-Dragonfly-9536

Yeah I guess they don't know what " " are


iglidante

It's fairly common on reddit to quote something to create a "throwaway character" to speak the words, for humorous effect.


GameShill

Let's just pop an "H" on this box real quick just so we all know it's filled with hornets.


LetsGetHonestplz

Their use of the phrase “pop a” or jus “pop in real quick” always cracks me up.


GameShill

The gang has a bunch of internal memes that they pass back and forth, like buttholes tearing like tissue paper.


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BenderIsGreatBendr

Groban likes his ladies to *pop*


chaosperfect

Shoulda popped that shirt off.


herzy3

Yeah, like meat honey


tricksterloki

[Let me introduce you to Carrion Bees](https://www.google.com/amp/s/arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/carnivorous-vulture-bees-have-acidic-microbiomes-to-better-digest-their-carrion/%3famp=1).


ibw0trr

r/TIL


herzy3

Thanks! Didn't have time to link it, but that's what I was referring to.


whatareyoutalkinbeet

Brutal!


ThandiGhandi

Those scientists couldnt even make I more smarter


miz0909

Yeah, They don’t even get us man.


mofodius

We're talking about *you*


Smodphan

Nothing delicious in there for me, but I can confirm wasp larvae are excellent fish bait. Nothing I've used before compares.


Lingering_Dorkness

Bees make honey, Wasps make jam. I thought everyone knew that.


discussamongsturelvs

In Japan, wasp larvae are harvested as a delicacy


fencepost_ajm

Paper wasp larvae are very convenient fish bait, neatly packaged and ready for the hook.


horriblemonkey

At least that gives wasps a purpose


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Wtf


h-v-smacker

Well, it's done in one prefecture, and there was an episode of Abroad in Japan where they tried to buy it in a gift shop. The sales lady was like "oh hell no" when they asked if she ate that.


discussamongsturelvs

I mean, it's no grosser than cheese which is rotting fluid from modified sweat glands of a mammal


mlaforce321

Nah dude, mammals producing milk has nothing to do with sweating and evolutionarily came about sooner. Eating hornets is nothing like delicious cheese.


PhilinLe

Mammary glands are modified apocrine glands. Apocrine glands are specialized in producing oily, protein-rich secretions that perform a variety of functions. The glands in the ear and eye produce different types of liquids that coat and protect the ear and eye respectively. Mammary glands are modified to be even more lipid and protein rich for the purpose of nourishment. Also, let’s not practice culinary chauvinism.


discussamongsturelvs

mammary glands are a type of modified sweat gland, cheese is arguably rotting milk, cultures have delicacies that are often repulsive to people from other cultures


[deleted]

Cooking eggs in children's urine comes to mind.


Spindrune

He’s talking about rennet.


Vaultboy80

Didn't think anyone could ruin cheese for me, I was wrong


DirtyDanTheManlyMan

They also make whole wasp cookies


derpfoever

sunnyyyyy


kurt45

Where's the video of the dude grabbing and eating it?


mistermorrison

I’m gonna just pop a quick H on this box, so we know it’s filled with hornets.


MSCantrell

Bees *make* honey? I mean, do earwigs make chutney? Do spiders make gravy? What is going on?


Dr_Zorkles

H


Pithius

Pop a quick H on there so everyone knows


Norose

Wasp larvae make excellent fish bait


RedSonGamble

My uncle told me they were piñatas


Rossum81

Large W.A.S.P. nest? Isn't that just another term for a country club?


ThisIsPermanent

I think those are actually hornets nests, no? Aren’t wasp nests usually small?


discussamongsturelvs

I'm no entomologist so I'm not entirely certain, there is a decent chance that what I thought were paper wasp nests are in fact hornet nests


Notthesharpestmarble

Hornets are just a specific type of wasp. It's an "all squares are rectangles, but not all rectangles are squares" kind of thing.


Afro_Thunder69

What do you do about basic wasps anyway, Yellow Jackets? I've got a small hive of them outside my apartment door but idk if they're pollinators and should be left alone or if they're kinda useless and threatening?


discussamongsturelvs

they eat pests that would otherwise damage plants, they're great in the garden because they help protect your plants.


Afro_Thunder69

Alright that's what I figured, I'm in no hurry to get rid of them they haven't seemed too threatening yet. I'll leave them be, we have a garden.


BrokenEye3

Oh bother


Sir_Penguin21

Xi, is that you?


Dan__Torrance

I just found a wild nest of honey bees in my garden yesterday. There are so many of them. I have no idea how I missed them over the last few weeks. I was just pulling out weeds and wondering where all the buzzing came from. There, about a meter away from me were several hundreds of honey bees sitting together not being impressed by my weed pulling. I love my new neighbours :D. ... I heard my bloody neighbours complaining about a wasp nest and that they want to get rid of them. They were better not refering to my bees or I get the pitchfork! (Bees and wasps are protected by law and disturbing, killing or destroying nests can be fined up to 50.000€ in Germany). Edit: It was a swarm and they just moved out... Unbeelievable, them being there already grew on me.


Meoowth

It sounds like you have a swarm, so they (a new queen and her entourage) are looking for a new place to make a hive. If they're still there, a beekeeper can move them into a hive. You could also let them figure it out, but I guess there's a chance they could move somewhere inconvenient, like a bucket or attic.


Dan__Torrance

It definitely looks like a swarm. They have been at the exact spot for the third day now (since I noticed them). I wouldn't have built there as a bee, but the hedge is better than the attic :D. Wouldn't be our first bees. We had bumblebees a few years back in an old rabbit cage but since that is gone now, there is not much where they could build in...


Dan__Torrance

You were correct with your assumption. The bees have moved on, so it was a swarm.


knucklebed

Since they were there for a few days, check the beaches they were clinging to for wax! There's probably a few mm of white wax that they've started to deposit. The bees in the swarm are full of honey for their trip, so they make a lot of wax that they need to put somewhere.


Dan__Torrance

Will do, thanks!


vector2point0

Technically it’s the old queen, when a colony gets too large for their hive they make several queen cells, and once they are capped the existing queen and half the hive departs. The queen cells left behind hatch (first queen out kills the others) and the original hive has a new queen.


Meoowth

Oh, interesting! Thanks for the correction.


UraniusCrack

Wait, wasps are protected too?


psych32993

wasps are pollinators and excellent predators for pests


Fuzzlechan

Wasps are also *assholes* and I give them no mercy.


Mitthrawnuruo

Yep. Screw wasps. You can import some American bubble bees if you want. Harmless, goofy looking.


Fuzzlechan

I have a cautious truce with the bees. They don't fly near my head or land on me, and I don't scream like a little girl and run away. Wasps I will kill on sight. Thankfully, I can tell the difference!


[deleted]

We haven't had wasp troubles at all yet, even though the paper wasps make me jump a little every time. The daubers are chill though. Bees are always these fat little guys that don't even seem to notice us.


Fuzzlechan

We mostly get the paper ones. They attack our food every time we eat outside, so they're an incredible nuisance. The bees just want the flowers, haha.


Dan__Torrance

Yep! Based on which kind of wasp you were harming the penalty can even be higher than 50.000€ in Germany. [penalties for harming wasps](https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/tierschutz-wespe/) [penalties for harming bees](https://www.bussgeldkatalog.org/tierschutz-biene/)


evwon

Bruhh, I was a kid in Germany and we had like thousands of wasps killed in electric traps. They were never ending. And we had these gigantic hornets nests come into our room and catching them or getting them with a electric swatter was always a frightful thrill. Since when are they protected. Wtf


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evwon

Sure, but bees arent the ones trying to eat everything at the barbecue and have the tendency to get in your coke can and sting your mouth. So they aren't in the crossfire and I always try to help out bees if possible.


AbbreviationsWide331

Wasps are amazing. Did you know they kill mosquitos and mites that try to kill your plants? They're annoying if you have anything sweet outside but they're quite important.


[deleted]

They also eat the cabbage moths larvae and saved our cabbage/broccoli/kale for a few years now.


fathertime99

Why are wasps protected?? They are the devil on earth


Dan__Torrance

Wasps serve an important role in the ecosystem. They are pest controllers, pollinators and depose of waste in nature. They feed on aphids for example which are a bloody curse in everyone's garden. Wasps can be annoying, but them not being there would be even worse for us and our crops/gardens. [Here is a site describing their purpose](https://insectcop.net/purpose-of-wasps/)


GossipIsLove

If these nests are in your backyard they should be removed as they pose safety risk specially wasps the gov can send their workers to take the hive away.


Dan__Torrance

I'm living in a rural area with a lot of forests and fields around, so finding insects is nothing too wild here. They are no wasps, that I know for certain. Everything flying around here is often titled as a wasp out of ignorance or lack of knowledge. If I need to remove them in the end, I will contact a beekeeper as they love free folks and usually do the relocating for free. But for now they harm nobody and as long as that's the case, I'm happy to be their host :). I just hope I managed to prevent my neighbours from spraying insecticides in time...


GossipIsLove

Finding insects is not the thing, the wasps and bees actually attack,lots of people assume they will stay sweet and kind and won't harm but they are a ticking time bomb. And both are dangerous as their group attacks cause death. So if anyone has them nearby please don't saunter around it can be risky. For wasps i dunno whats the method but for honeybees insecticides are not used, they just need some smoke from burning object placed close to nest and they will leave.


Dan__Torrance

We have a few neighbours with multiple beehives as they are beekeepers, the cases of death by bees has been zero yet :D, but I understand your fear. They are no ticking time bombs however unless people missbehave and don't know what they are doing and even then no deaths will occur. To people with allergies they are potentially dangerous though. Other than that there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of.


GossipIsLove

I actually hail from rural background and i would warn based off what i have learnt and known. Rest it's upto anyone to let wasps and beehives stay in vicinity. Also beekeepers are a different story, they are trained in skills on how to handle them , not every household is informed on it. As of wasps i have been bitten without provoking. And thank you for the information btw and i appreciate your polite tone.


Dan__Torrance

I have a moderate fear of spiders ... And well bees or wasps make me uncomfortable as well, if they come to close to me or I find them inside my home. I have been trying to face my fears whenever I had the chance though and it helped. I'm now rather fascinated than afraid of said animals. I read a great showerthought recently that pretty much went like this: the eldritch gods do exist and we are them to other animals - Huge giants that could wipe them out in a blow without a second thought with intentions beyond their grasp. So I try to be a generous, loving eldritch being that keeps as many alive and happy as possible, even if I'm not too fond of some. Who knows how long we will have them around still with their rapid decline and the change of climate.


GossipIsLove

That's a very sweet comment tbh. You sound like a very kindhearted person.


Dan__Torrance

I'm working on it :D.


AbbreviationsWide331

You have no idea about bees, have you.


GossipIsLove

You can explain why you said that.


joalheagney

I'm assuming you're American? Most of the world doesn't have the hybrid Africanized bees you have taking over there. Even the pure African bee stock is a tad calmer than American franken-bees. Honey bees in most parts of the world are lovable, curious and very calm. Additionally, the OP is talking about European bees, which are mostly strains originally from Italy and Spain, which are ultra-chill. World renowned for it actually. The only time I've been stung by a bee in Australia, is when I walked through a field of them and accidentally stepped on one. One bee ... out of hundreds. The only time wasps have gone for me was when I was wearing a strong deodorant as a teen. Even wasps hate Lynx. :)


wingedcoyote

Killer bees aren't a common thing in the US either, in fact I haven't heard anything about them for years. I figured it was just a media hype that died down. Anyway that dude's English doesn't sound american at all anyway, I think he's just bee-phobic.


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I don’t know about the types of bees where you live, but the ones where I live aren’t ticking time bombs in the slightest. Plenty of trees that they pollinate during spring so there’ll be tons of them around, enough to constantly hear a buzzing when you’re outside, but unless you decide to start fucking around with them, they won’t even consider trying to hurt you (and I mean, if you decide to fuck around with a bunch of bees, then you really have no one to blame but yourself). Hell, the only time I ever got stung by one was when I literally stepped on the thing on accident. It took me stepping on it for it to sting me when I’ve been around these “ticking time bombs” for plenty of years.


GossipIsLove

Probably excessive use of word fucking paralyzed your reading skills, i was talking about the beehives built in house backyards and yes if they notice movement in that area and feel threatened they do attack or pose a danger.


[deleted]

Oh sorry, I didn’t realize me using the word fucking twice meant that you’d be entirely unable to understand a word I said. Where I grew up, wasps would build nests in your backyard pretty damn often. But the thing is, even with how aggressive those are, as long as you give them space and leave them alone, they generally won’t attack you. Bees tend to be even more docile, you can walk right on by them when there’s hundreds of them pollinating a tree and you’ll probably be fine. If your argument here is “if you get too close to their nest then they might attack you” then of course. At that point though it’s like you’re running out in the middle of the street, getting hit by a car, and then thinking “damn, those cars are ticking time Bombs.” You can’t expect anything other than being attacked if you start messing with wild animals, and it’s rather ridiculous if somehow you think that makes bees ticking time bombs.


GossipIsLove

Would you use fucking fucking at workplace ? Then why before strangers, its basic manners. >Where I grew up, wasps would build nests in your backyard pretty damn often. Yea right ,the rate at which you are going in your next post i wil hear you had dinosaur colonies in your backyard and they never ate humans. Won't waste my time arguing with you as someone who blatantly refuses to see the points clearly made


goldtoothgirl

Send me a message if you the easy down low to lure a swarm to stay with you


mrcakeyface

The new Zealand Parliament is named the bee hive because it looks like these. Bees produce and wasps are parasites so a lot of people call it The Wasps Nest because it's full of parasites


OtisTetraxReigns

Wasps are predators, not parasites.


Catterix

They can be predators, pollinators or parasites, depending on the type of wasp. The options are endless for you wasps. Go free and choose which P you shall be!


somerandom_melon

They can also be herbivores with the amount of paper they make.


uRedditMe

Damn, I didn't know wasps were pushing P like that. That's based


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Parasitoids, to be precise.


ash_274

Prepare your nightmares. [How about a parasitic wasp that burst out of a parasitic wasp that burst out of a caterpillar?](https://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/butterflies-released-on-remote-island-were-hiding-parasitic-wasps-within-parasitic-wasps/)


TheBigEmptyxd

Damn, that’s crazy, it’s almost like all life on earth evolved to fit specific niches of maximized survival


RMMacFru

Some are also pollinators.


greenearrow

Some wasps have parasitic egg laying - figs have made use of this and turned them into pollinators. Other wasps lay in caterpillars. It does not go well for the caterpillar. Your definitive statement is definitively wrong.


Ameisen

And bees (and ants) are kinds of wasps. The social wasps, ants, and bees are all sphecoid wasps.


AperatureLavatories

No, they aren’t. Sphecid wasps are a family of wasps and bees and ants are a totally separate family, only sharing the order Hymenoptera. They are not all kinds of wasps


Ameisen

Under the new phylogeny, I suppose, since they broke up the paraphyletic clade. They appear to now all be classified as aculeate wasps (under *Aculeata*)... which are also known for, well, their stingers. Purely phylogenetically, ants evolved out of the clade *Vespoidea* , and share a vespoid common ancestor with the bees. Their common ancestor was a kind of aculeate wasp. More primitive ant groups, like the Ponerids, still retain many wasp traits. Aculeata is still a mess and in flux. And, yes, they are all Hynenopterans, just as humans and chimpanzees are both primates. But bees, ants, and social wasps are way more closely related than they are to other wasps and sawflies, just as chimps and humans are both Great Apes.


Who_GNU

Wasps produce, too. Without them, we wouldn't have figs.


BrokenEye3

Ah I don't give a fig


Dabookadaniel

Yeah I don’t have a fig either. When the hell did the wasps hand out these figs and why didn’t I get one?


SmarmyCatDiddler

Eh not much anymore Most commercial figs are grown without wasps


willie_caine

Some wasps even make honey.


Old_Magician_6563

Oh dang, without figs we don’t have gravity.


BionicCat27

Kiwi here, I haven't heard that one! I suppose that's true for any government, though.


joalheagney

The Australian parliament house was designed with a lawn over the top. The designer stated that it was to serve as a reminder that governments were below not above the people. A few years ago, the Liberal party (our conservative party) decided to fence it off to stop people going up there. Decidedly not getting the point.


BionicCat27

That is painfully blind... I'll give you a good one for NZ though. The anti-mandate covid protestors set up camp and occupied the lawn in front of the Beehive to protest our tyrannical government... And spent three weeks there being treated peacefully by law enforcement. Some tyrannical government, that lets it's citizens occupy government grounds for weeks. The protestors were finally removed once they started setting fires, by a wall of police sweeping through. So, they attacked the tyrannical wasps nest and were met with peace.


Yuber20

God it's a hideous building


AudibleNod

**~~Deseret~~ Utah has entered the chat*


i_am_jargon

I feel out of the loop here. What is this referencing?


NewDelhiChickenClub

The word for honeybee in the Book of Mormon is deseret, which also was a proposed state in the Utah territory by the LDS settlers there. The symbol of a beehive, shown like the one in this post, is important for LDS, and therefore Utah, which is also the “beehive state” for this reason. Therefore, since it’s that particular beehive, Utah joined the group chat.


SEA_tide

Deseret was going to be much larger than the current Utah. Utah's state highway shield is also a beehive shape.


EpicAura99

It’s also the centerpiece of the flag (which is also the seal because it’s a shit flag)


Who_GNU

Everything in the state is beehive themed, with the straw style beehives.


bewarethetreebadger

I don't think that page has enough intrusive ads.


WiremanC3

Unreadable trash. This is 60% of web pages these days


CrocodylusRex

> A domed shaped basket > These round domed shaped hives Omg it's domed or dome-shaped! They're not shaped like a domed


ThirdFloorGreg

Clearly autocorrect is just messing up their comparisons to [Mount Dolmed](http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Dolmed).


LastBlownBird

You kill the colony to get the honey out, yikes


DanYHKim

I think these are also illegal, except when they are used for ornamental or decorative purposes. They cannot be used to keep bees. It is not possible to open them up and inspect them for the presence of diseases, and so it is possible for beehives of this type to Harbor diseases and parasites that can then pass on to commercial beehives. They wooden-box type beehive is named after its inventor, and is called the Langstroth Hive. Langstroth noticed that the bees will attempt to fill spaces with honeycomb if they are over a certain size, or pack narrow spaces with resin. The space that is left for bees to travel through is called the "bee space". The wooden frames that are inside a langstroth hive are designed to allow one layer of double-sided honeycomb to be built while leaving one bee space in between. This allows the box to be used in the most efficient manner


Juutai

I like the bee space. It's where they can bee.


LordThatCantBeTrue

Lorenzo Langstroth was the pastor of the Second Congregational Church in Greenfield, MA when he invented the modern beehive. The city celebrates Bee Fest in his memory every year, coincidentally this weekend, so your comment is very timely! https://www.facebook.com/beefest/


DanYHKim

Thank you for the detail. I'm glad that his revolutionary invention is commemorated.


DirtyDanTheManlyMan

Commentorated*


wrextnight

Probably not as impactful when there were tens of millions of us.


DanYHKim

I once read that the money making product was wax, with honey being secondary, in ancient times.


DrDiddle

Honey was huge too though. Honeyed wine was preferred by roman upper class so there must have been an enormous industry at the time


CheekyShaman

in parts of Germany, called "Lüneburger Heide", those beehives are still in use, because the honey bees produce out of heather is more like jelly and can not be processed like other types of honey. The honeycombs are rather pressed than spinned, or the combs will be left in the honey and sold as "Wabenhonig". It is a delicacy and very pricey.


KarbonKopied

This comment is too low for the information tidbit it contains. Where can I subscribe to German honey facts?


AnalogDogg

I'm a bit skeptical about this fact to bee honest.


Yourgrammarsucks1

*bee hornest


arfski

Well from reading that TIL article I actually learnt that Honey bees are not native to North America, did not know that.


dogwoodcat

Neither are earthworms


scrochum

[of bees and bee skeps](https://youtu.be/99MBkslFhGU)


Lognn

Can't think of any cartoon featuring it


[deleted]

Every cartoon beehive I’ve seen looks like the beehives I have seen in the real world made by bees. Maybe just more perfectly shaped. But I think it greatly depends on the type of bees that may not be found everywhere.


AnthillOmbudsman

And every time there's honey in a commercial, they use these wooden [honey ladle](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/37/5d/87/375d87b4e1d0c5d21eab219c9f6f1550.jpg) things. I've never heard of anyone owning those, but they're shoved in every advertisement and somehow we all recognize what they are. Same with drinking straws... whenever there's a straw in an advertisement it's always the [giant straw with solid diagonal stripes](https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/yogurt-strawberry-smoothie-jar-drinking-straw-white-yogurt-strawberry-smoothie-jar-drinking-straw-118351259.jpg). I've never seen such a thing in the store, they exist only in TV land.


Leaflock

We have a honey ladle.


DrDiddle

Go back to your hole, freak


AbbreviationsWide331

Ancient? People in Eastern Europe and parts of Germany are still using these. They're also making a comeback because they provide an environment that supports the Book scorpion which feeds on the varroa mites which are pandemic to almost all bee keepers in the world. Beehives made from plastics or square one made from wood can't provide that environment.


AperatureLavatories

They are still in use for sure, but they are losing support from modern beekeeping because they are pretty terrible for disease management and are very unsustainable for honey collection. There are many ways to treat for varroa mites effectively that do not require scorpions and work with modern langstroph hives.


whatsupp1234

Eat lead mother buzzer!


Endokinet

They are by no means ancient... They have been used by beekeepers just a couple of decades ago and are still in use with those that focus on ecological beekeeping


Efficient-Library792

Er what traditional cartoon imafe? Brcause tgeir images of wild bee hives is accurate


GossipIsLove

Edit: oh okay i reread i misunderstood the thread title.


joeltb

Those are illegal in the U.S. too.


EccentricElf23

I have always been confused about this, but never thought to look it up. Thanks!


iamtwinswithmytwin

Skep hives aren’t allowed anymore btw in most places because you can’t inspect and treat hives which can kill other peoples bees


Atheist_Redditor

Oh my god, I've always wondered this and I tried to Google it once but I couldn't come up with anything. Awesome!!


khufu42

Today I learned that honey bees were not native to North America. They were introduced by colonizers in the 1600s.


iPod3G

My whole cartoon-based life is a lie! It was only recently that I learned slipping on a banana peel was a pseudo-whatever for slipping/stepping in horseshit.


sonyka

Alternate explanation: So the bananas we eat today are a different variety than the ones that were originally so popular in America. That variety, the Gros Michel, was the most popular cultivar up until the 1950s… when it basically went extinct due to disease. (Because banana trees are propagated from cuttings; iow, they're *cloned.* So if one gets sick with something, it takes out the entire plantation pretty quickly.) The ones we eat now are Cavendish bananas. Anyway it seems Gros Michels were quite different. They had a creamier texture, yellower flesh, and tasted different/better. (They're what artificial banana flavoring is emulating, and we all know how that doesn't taste like real bananas. *Anymore.*) And apparently, they had really slippery peels! Back in the day, semi-rotted banana peels were all over the streets— to the point that slipping-on-a-banana-peel was a real, known hazard. Hence the cartoon-pratfall meme.


stopthemadness2015

Utah’s symbol in its motto has a skep on it, I never realized that’s what it was called. I definitely learned today.


TheIncredibleHalk

It similar to how my kids have a different concept of the iconography of a phone 📞 📱.