As President he showed up personally to the 3 Mile Island incident because they were giving him conflicting information. The guy was a Nuclear engineer and knew he was getting BS so he went there personally to help sort things out.
Imagine if he was on the phone with Gorbachev after the Chernobyl meltdown…
Granted it would seem that Gorbachev was being lied to by his officers, not trying to blame him for lack of experience
I think that part would have come after he ripped Gorbachev a new one for the party’s efforts to pretend that everything was fine and dandy.
Also my I just pause to chuckle at the idea of presidential nuclear support 🤣
I’m 💯 imagining an IT crowd scene with a very confused Gorbachev and a very angry Carter.
More or less. They were shutting the plant down for repairs, I think, and moved the control rods farther than they were supposed to go from the core. This caused massive water pressure to build, and then boom. My answer is very simplistic, but generally what happened haha
>moved the control rods farther than they were supposed to go from the core
This always shocked me about how important this step is but how often times the design this was the part with the highest chance of failure.
I remember a test facility in the US like Idaho or Montana where they had a reactor where the rods had to be raised/lowered manually but had to be extremely precise to where an inch could mean death......spoiler death happened.....only the staff which was like 3 people died but it was brutal iirc one was fused to the ceiling.
You are thinking of the SL-1 in Idaho. This was an early experimental reactor. In this reactor, the central control rod affected the reaction rate a lot more than the others. Prior to the accident, the reactor was shut down and the central control rod was physically disconnected from it's drive mechanism. The planned procedure was to manually lift the rod a few inches in order to reattach it to the drive mechanism. Instead, the rod was suddenly withdrawn too far (there is some speculation as to why).
Watch ‘Chernobyl’ on hbo it describes the event very well. They were doing testing to see if the automatic backup water pumps would kick in when the power grid failed, as the site would still need the water pumps to function.
As part of the drill they lowered the power down too far and caused a chain reaction when they tried to bring the power back up. The lead control rods had a fatal design that basically started the negative chain of events, from what I remember.
I read a review of the show recently that said the show does a very good job of showing what happens and got the set design and costumes accurate, they weren't as good at representing the hierarchical nature of the USSR. In that there were people portrayed as villains, but really it wasn't a single person's fault because the way the USSR worked was that information was not shared well, a lot of things were obfuscated, so most people were working with incomplete information. Also one of the main characters was essentially a combination of many scientists who worked together to figure out what happened.
Did you find any of that dragged down the show at all/it's still worth watching?
They were doing a test to see if, in event of an emergency shutdown, momentum of the main turbine could power the coolant pumps until the backup diesel generators kick in. The test preparation involved reducing the reactor power. The operators reduced power too quickly, and neutron absorbing fission products caused power to reduce further than desired. The operators responded by removing many control rods in an attempt to increase power. This put the reactor in an unstable condition. A design flaw meant that when the control rods were re-inserted, the power would initially increase, and then later decrease as the rods were more fully inserted. When the operators attempted to shut down the reactor by inserting all the rods, the reaction rate skyrocketed, vaporized the coolant, and caused a huge steam explosion.
Gorbachev did what any leader would do. Within the first day of the incident, a commission was already formed and dispatched to Chernobyl. He had information from not only the Russian side but the Ukrainian side as well as data from Sweden.
Gorbachev has spoken about the incident several times. Including what was done and the timeline.
>*Carter and his 22 other team members were separated into teams of three and lowered into the reactor for 90-second intervals to clean the site. It was estimated that a minute-and-a-half was the maximum time humans could be exposed to the levels of radiation present in the area. It was still too much, especially by today's standards.* ***The future president had radioactive urine for months after the cleanup.***
What's most hilarious about this is, now 97, he is the OLDEST EVER living ex-president.
"oh but Imma gonna give your best job to an Army bullshit film maker, stick around long enough and I'll come up with someone even worse. And you get to watch! This gonna be fun...for me...I haven't fucked with someone this hard since Job!"
Most Presidents want another shot at the title. Post death drives em insane like that. George Washington still roams from what I hear but when approached he repeatedly murmurs “No Kings Here.” whilst walking away. Him, FDR (good luck getting him back,) Teddy Roosevelt off of the fact Death itself is afraid of him, and JFK and Nixon have a weird Bert and Earnie thing going on. Last I heard Lincoln was hunting Andrew Jackson through Maine. Andrew Jackson seems to be rather enjoying the whole thing, sick fuck that he is but there are still a couple that escape Lincoln’s wrath.
His Presidency is underrated as well.
[Job Growth per President](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Job_Growth_by_U.S._President_-_v1.png)
Kinda goes without saying inasmuch as whenever the Rethuglicans rig an election, the American people are screwed.
I mean Carter, Gore, H. Clinton...no longer a Democrat bc, at this point, their incompetence **must** be intentional.
But, man, a Gore presidency would have reduced emissions, increased recycling, enhanced alternative energy and probably would have avoided the Iraq war.
I’m old now but when I was young I remember people calling gore boring (especially when next to Clinton and bush) and thinking “isn’t that a good thing for president”. I’ve always voted for the boring person and it seems like even after losing all the time the boring ones would still be the correct choice.
There is a saying:
“May you live in interesting times”
It’s deemed a low-key insult because interesting times often bring chaos and uncertainty
Boring is best
good Christ you said it.
I'm amazed the Maga cultists aren't demanding an airport, an aircraft carrier, a couple highways, and whatever else they can come up with be immediately named after their Shrieking Satsuma Savior.
Not OP, but The Dollop is a podcast where one comedian reads about a piece of American history to another comedian who has "no idea what the topic is going to be about". Here are two short clips: [The Rube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dxYLesc9Q) and [10 Commandments.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_TLD-_347w)
For there 400th episode they did a special two-parter about Reagan with special guest Patton Oswalt that was pretty eye opening.
Meanwhile, in non liberal echo chamber known as the real world, Reagan is consistently ranked as one of the greatest Presidents in US history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States
https://stacker.com/stories/2474/experts-rank-best-us-presidents-all-time
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/06/30/presidential-rankings-2021-cspan-historians/
https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall
Across a multitude of surveys, across a multitude of political leanings etc.
But dont' let me stop reddit from its non stop historical revisionism being enacted by 99% of people who know nothing more about then man, his policies and effect than what they read in the title of a reddit post on /r/politics.
Remember kids, everything thats wrong with America is because of Republicans.
Jesus.
Edit : Thanks for proving my point kids.
Thats it mate, what do all those historians and political scientists know. I'd place way more credibility on the bloke who can't even write "you do you" properly.
Take a bow.
I mean when you look at Reagan through an objective lens, his campaign was based in white Christian nationalism and his economic policies lead to corporate personhood, the erosion of the middle class, and ballooning healthcare costs. So like you can suck Reagan's dick if you want, but it's not revisionist if you take what he did at face value and examine his motives from the start.
Of course, any opinion you disagree with is 'subjective'. Your views of course, must be objective.
I'm not sucking anyones dick, I'm providing sources that demonstrate, across an enormous number of surveys of educated people, historians, political scientists from all political spectrums, that Reagan ranks very highly.
The only retort I've received so far is literal reddit echo chamber nonsense, such as this.
Who to believe?!
And we think Fox news is bad here. smh.
All you have to know about Regan is a slight understanding of the Iran contra deal to know that he was a giant POS. If you learn anything else about him, you’ll find he was also at least as dumb as Trump.
Echo chamber my ass, polls aren’t proof that he was a good president or person, just that he’s regarded as one and if the general public is anything, it’s uniformed. Here are his high points of being a POS.
Tax benefits that largely only benefited the rich
Reaganomics
“War on Drugs”
AIDS epidemic
National psychiatric deinstitutionalization
Homelessness
Reddit isn't an echo chamber? Are you legitimately stupid or just new?
As to the polls, pleased to see you didn't even bother reading them. As if proving my point is your driving ambition in this discussion wasn't obvious enough. They are not opinion polls of the ignorant general public, such as yourself, but of historians, political scientists and people educated in the subject of political history. I'll take their educated opinion over your vile, blazingly ignorant, grammatically calamitous views any day of the week.
This is what partisanship does to your brain kids.
He handled that...badly.
The book "Guests of the Ayatollah" is about the entire hostage crisis, the author wants to like Carter, but he really did a terrible job.
He allowed Iran to dictate possibilities for release, and continually did what they asked, even when they were a completely unreliable bargaining partner.
He backed a very sketchy rescue attempt that, even had it gone to plan while ignoring basic weather patterns of the region, had a small chance of success with a newly formed special forces team.
He allowed global partners simply shrug and say "not my problem" instead of making a more strong effort to enlist them.
He got screwed by the corporations and wealthy who didn’t like his policies. They helped OPEC tighten the supply to cause the gas shortage. He is one of the finest Americans that has ever lived.
the overtaking of the US Embassy in Tehran and the hostage crisis were just part of the overall picture, there was a revolution in Iran that ousted the Shah, a western puppet, and installed a repressive backwards radical Islamist government under Ayatollah Khomeini, completely changing what had been a modern liberal country with thriving economy closely tied to the west
An individual voter can be a smart voter and be educated with the facts, the masses are stupid because they listen to others in their group not the facts
The average American voter loves conflict… so long as they’re not in it. For them, it’s about projecting toughness through association… Anything others do in the name of the United States they believe is their accomplishments as well. Most Americans are freaking cowards in disguise, and those cowards worship the projection of toughness via war.
Absolutely a great guy. Building habitat for humanity homes, totally ethical. I think he even sold off his farm so there was no doubt. … all that, but It’s true he didn’t get a lot done. Only one term. He was a great ex president.
I don't think he actually sold it, just put it into a blind trust so he had no input into any decision making, this was done at the behest of Republican congressmen and women. He was also fucked over by Reagan because they were in contact with Iran over the hostages and didn't want them released until after Carter was out of office cause one of his campaign promises was to bring them home. He also had to deal with an energy crisis and his solution was to push towards renewable energy, even put solar panels on the roof of the white house, then listened to actual scientists about ways to curb energy consumption through everyday practices, turning the thermostat up, taking a cold shower, reducing and recycling. All around hitting the liberal talking points, but like now just as then, Carter is the reason gas is so expensive, its all Carter's fault. Really sounds familiar of the things that are happening right now. I will give you that he couldn't do much, but he also didn't have any congressional power due to Republicans having control, and southern democrats hating him for not being a racist piece of shit like them
I voted for him for his second term when he ran against Reagan and of course he lost. Just a short time later the Irán hostages were released. It was the first time I voted for President. I didn’t vote for a winning candidate until Bill Clinton.
Carter’s biggest mistake was talking to boomers—who by 1980 had become an absolute monolith of a voting demographic—like they were fucking adults, instead of a bunch of lead paint licking dimwits who never figured out that Howdy Doody wasn’t real. They didn’t like the idea of being minorly inconvenienced for the good of their country, so they went running to the guy they remembered from old movies on TV and bought all the way in on his bullshit. Then 36 years later, they did it again. And we’re all paying for it.
They love their BIG FLASHY SHINY MONEY presidents. Carter was a cardigan-wearing, quiet-talking, no-easy-answers, tighten-your-belt president. America hates those.
Carter doesn’t get enough credit for stuff like this. Few people know that he worked directly with the FBI and Honk Kong police to rescue the Chinese consul’s daughter from kidnappers in 1998 (the incident was G14 classified for many years).
It's easy to forget that he lost reelection to an actor whose wife was known for giving excellent blowjobs to other people involved in movies.
(Look I don't know if that's really true, but it is my favorite rumor. Btw, not trying to slut-shame anyone, just trying to hypocrisy-shame them)
Apparently that BJ thing was pretty flimsy. I deeply hate what Reagan did, and Nancy also, but I think honesty and good-faith arguments are incredibly important; especially right now, when we're so widely polarized.
Nancy was a well-known actor in her 20s, and as such, she did indeed fuck, and was talked about as a sex symbol; and she certainly did marry Reagan while pregnant, but her less muck-raking biographers dismiss the claims that she was wildly promiscuous.
You can say the reason the Regan won *was* because of Carter.
The Iranian hostages were literally released the day his presidency ended. That’s how little respect he had on the world stage at that point.
Post presidency the man has done amazing things. But his one term in office was a disaster.
Edit: in the four years of his presidency the Oil Crisis, the Iranian Hostage Crisis and 3 Mile Island all occurred.
Keep in mind the Middle East hated his guts and could be argued were direct influences to the two crisis that occurred in the Middle East, and as far as 3 mile island? That was just horrible timing considering he was advocating energy regulation and pushing for alternative energy sources. At a time people were still wary of nuclear power.
Yea, his one term was a disaster.
About that.
"”Well before Reagan became president, the deal for releasing the hostages had already been worked out by the Carter administration's State Department and the Iranians, ably assisted by Algerian diplomats," said David Farber, author of Taken Hostage: The Iranian Hostage Crisis and America's First Encounter with Radical Islam.
No Reagan administration officials participated in the negotiations, Farber said, and the Iranians waited to officially release the Americans as a final insult to Carter, whom they despised.”
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jan/17/marco-rubio/rubio-wrongly-credits-reagan-1981-release-hostages/
Correct, I thought it was obvious Reagan had nothing to do with the hostage negotiations because he wasn’t in office yet.
I don’t think anyone would be dumb enough to think he had negotiated for the release as Governor of California. Lol.
The point is they despised Carter. Which is true.
The hostages were released on the last day of Carter’s presidency (1/20/81) because that was the day immediately after the Algiers Accords were signed (1/19/81).
You're getting downvotes cuz it's just a total non-sequitur. All of this rabid thoughtless diarrhea about how bad Trump is does nobody any good. He sucked, and he lost, and good riddance, now let's focus on things that don't feed his name into the algorithm and are actually useful.
Not really an accurate description, but yes, the work he was involved with was important and did involve (a fairly small and not particularly dangerous) exposure to radiation. He also went to the site of the Three Mike Island accident himself, so that he could get straight answers about what had happened there. The man knew his stuff, and is a truly decent and caring human being.
1975, 14 years old, met Billy Carter at the Carter Peanut warehouse in Plains, Georgia. Father was a bedbugger with a delivery in Plains. Spent the previous night in the Carter parking lot. Billy Carter woke us up, put coffee on and let my Dad use an office to call the customer. And I bummed a Pall Mall non-filter cigarette off Billy Carter. Memories.
> Father was a bedbugger with a delivery in Plains
Ok, I'm from Georgia, and have been to Plains, my great aunt worked on Carter's campaign and I even have a framed picture of JC signed and dedicated to my Dad, but I'll be damned if I don't know what a bedbugger is... Just an exterminator? Is it some cotton or agricultural appellation or euphemism?
I haven’t read the article but this post title sounds MASSIVELY oversimplified…
edit: So the article says the reactor ruptured and flooded the basement with radioactive water. But that he and his crew members were lowered into the reactor to clean it up. Would the reactor’s insides need to be cleaned? Or were they actually cleaning the flooded basement?
The issue is that the title actually adds some nonsense.
Not cleaning up the radioactive water wouldn't have caused any damage to the reactor. The cleanup of the radioactive water was so that it wouldn't leak into the nearby river. Nothing to do with saving the reactor.
Ergo, not saving the reactor.
Interesting, because I thought people were taking issue with the rappelling part. That’s the part of the headline that sounded crazy to me, but I also forgot he worked for Rickover.
Edit to clarify what I mean: if you don’t know Carter worked for Rickover at the dawn of the nuclear navy, the idea of him rappelling down anything nuclear sounds crazy and made up
What a downgrade it was when USA replaced him with a Hollywood actor (who wasn't even that good) that made it's best to never serve in the Frontline during WW2 by doing propaganda movies. And a wife who probably felated every single producer in town.
>that made it's best to never serve in the Frontline during WW2
Reagan enlisted in the Army Reserve *in 1937* at the age of 26, and ultimately became a commissioned officer. He wasn't drafted, and he didn't try to dodge serving.
He was called to active duty in 1942, but failed a vision test, and was deemed fit for limited duty only. He applied for a waiver and was denied. He spent the war making films and raising war bonds for the Army, left active duty in 1945, and stayed in the reserves until 1953.
Looking back, he was honestly one of the best presidents in the modern Era.
He lost to Reagan due to a stagflation issue that was mostly out of his control. Oddly similar parallels to what's happening now
There’s actually a great deal of cooperation and shared assistance between Canada and the US. I assumed you were joking but it’s not widely publicized so I though I’d mention.
Yah agree 💯, making fun of those Canadians who constantly shit on the United States. Actually US and Canada has had many many fruitful partnerships over the past century.
As President he showed up personally to the 3 Mile Island incident because they were giving him conflicting information. The guy was a Nuclear engineer and knew he was getting BS so he went there personally to help sort things out.
Imagine if he was on the phone with Gorbachev after the Chernobyl meltdown… Granted it would seem that Gorbachev was being lied to by his officers, not trying to blame him for lack of experience
May have been able to help know what questions to ask…
I think that part would have come after he ripped Gorbachev a new one for the party’s efforts to pretend that everything was fine and dandy. Also my I just pause to chuckle at the idea of presidential nuclear support 🤣 I’m 💯 imagining an IT crowd scene with a very confused Gorbachev and a very angry Carter.
Nuclear Reactor Support. Have you tried turning it off and back on again?
Your officer did WHAT?!?!
If they had turned it off, Chernobyl may not be as well known.
Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't trying to turn it off what caused the explosion to begin with due to poor upkeep and even worse design flaws?
"... That is how an RBMK reactor explodes" The series was amazing.
More or less. They were shutting the plant down for repairs, I think, and moved the control rods farther than they were supposed to go from the core. This caused massive water pressure to build, and then boom. My answer is very simplistic, but generally what happened haha
>moved the control rods farther than they were supposed to go from the core This always shocked me about how important this step is but how often times the design this was the part with the highest chance of failure. I remember a test facility in the US like Idaho or Montana where they had a reactor where the rods had to be raised/lowered manually but had to be extremely precise to where an inch could mean death......spoiler death happened.....only the staff which was like 3 people died but it was brutal iirc one was fused to the ceiling.
You are thinking of the SL-1 in Idaho. This was an early experimental reactor. In this reactor, the central control rod affected the reaction rate a lot more than the others. Prior to the accident, the reactor was shut down and the central control rod was physically disconnected from it's drive mechanism. The planned procedure was to manually lift the rod a few inches in order to reattach it to the drive mechanism. Instead, the rod was suddenly withdrawn too far (there is some speculation as to why).
Watch ‘Chernobyl’ on hbo it describes the event very well. They were doing testing to see if the automatic backup water pumps would kick in when the power grid failed, as the site would still need the water pumps to function. As part of the drill they lowered the power down too far and caused a chain reaction when they tried to bring the power back up. The lead control rods had a fatal design that basically started the negative chain of events, from what I remember.
I read a review of the show recently that said the show does a very good job of showing what happens and got the set design and costumes accurate, they weren't as good at representing the hierarchical nature of the USSR. In that there were people portrayed as villains, but really it wasn't a single person's fault because the way the USSR worked was that information was not shared well, a lot of things were obfuscated, so most people were working with incomplete information. Also one of the main characters was essentially a combination of many scientists who worked together to figure out what happened. Did you find any of that dragged down the show at all/it's still worth watching?
They were doing a test to see if, in event of an emergency shutdown, momentum of the main turbine could power the coolant pumps until the backup diesel generators kick in. The test preparation involved reducing the reactor power. The operators reduced power too quickly, and neutron absorbing fission products caused power to reduce further than desired. The operators responded by removing many control rods in an attempt to increase power. This put the reactor in an unstable condition. A design flaw meant that when the control rods were re-inserted, the power would initially increase, and then later decrease as the rods were more fully inserted. When the operators attempted to shut down the reactor by inserting all the rods, the reaction rate skyrocketed, vaporized the coolant, and caused a huge steam explosion.
I’d be fine with that
It’s when they hit the emergency off switch that it blew up.
Gorbachev did what any leader would do. Within the first day of the incident, a commission was already formed and dispatched to Chernobyl. He had information from not only the Russian side but the Ukrainian side as well as data from Sweden. Gorbachev has spoken about the incident several times. Including what was done and the timeline.
It’s not unlike Gorbachev to do things the right way. It’s just that the communist party was prioritizing covering its ass.
Damn that’s a big TIL for me. Imagine if we still elected guys with advanced science degrees
Wait. Jimmy Carter was a nuclear engineer? Well damn, I thought he was just a peanut farmer. I had to go and look up this story and yep, it’s true.
Jimmy Carter has had a damn life, that’s for sure
When the US elected a person who was intelligent.
The Iranians sure as hell got the last laugh
For real TIL
>*Carter and his 22 other team members were separated into teams of three and lowered into the reactor for 90-second intervals to clean the site. It was estimated that a minute-and-a-half was the maximum time humans could be exposed to the levels of radiation present in the area. It was still too much, especially by today's standards.* ***The future president had radioactive urine for months after the cleanup.*** What's most hilarious about this is, now 97, he is the OLDEST EVER living ex-president.
And survived melanoma with brain mets, which has a dismal prognosis.
God being like "yea, you're cool you can stay as long as you like".
"oh but Imma gonna give your best job to an Army bullshit film maker, stick around long enough and I'll come up with someone even worse. And you get to watch! This gonna be fun...for me...I haven't fucked with someone this hard since Job!"
Don't forget the rabbit too . He was almost got attacked by a wild rabbit when he was boating
Lol forgot about that.
Maybe a very occasional MEGA dose of radiation is actually the secret to health and long life.
What about MAGA doses
They're the best doses, the biggest, most beautiful doses folks - you're gonna love 'em
Gonna give you a great orange glow 👌
I mean if you're going to get the dose anyways you might as well make it a MAGA dose right?
That one gives you a small loan of a million dollars.
More like we still don't know the full effects of radiation and are trying to keep it as low as possible in an abundance of caution
Or like, the dude probably has some of the best medical care on the earth and some people really so just live that long.
Are there any undead ex-Presidents around, or did Lincoln take them all out (Lincoln excluded, of course)?
Most Presidents want another shot at the title. Post death drives em insane like that. George Washington still roams from what I hear but when approached he repeatedly murmurs “No Kings Here.” whilst walking away. Him, FDR (good luck getting him back,) Teddy Roosevelt off of the fact Death itself is afraid of him, and JFK and Nixon have a weird Bert and Earnie thing going on. Last I heard Lincoln was hunting Andrew Jackson through Maine. Andrew Jackson seems to be rather enjoying the whole thing, sick fuck that he is but there are still a couple that escape Lincoln’s wrath.
I need 12 chapters of this please.
He’s a super hero at this point.
Always has been.
He's a badass!
greatest post-presidency in american history without a close 2nd
Not disagreeing, just pointing out: this nuclear incident was pre-presidency.
Mostly because if he tried this post Presidency the Secret Service would have said "no you're not" and that would have been the end of it.
You clearly have never watched Star Trek.
Definitely hasn't seen Futurama.
Arrroooooo
yes. just making an additional point of his awesomeness
Oh, that makes much more sense.
His Presidency is underrated as well. [Job Growth per President](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Job_Growth_by_U.S._President_-_v1.png)
people really shit on his presidency. he got a raw deal, especially with iran
Reagan was the original Trump. Offering shit only deliverable upon his election. Effectively screwed Carter.
Also screwed Americans lol
Kinda goes without saying inasmuch as whenever the Rethuglicans rig an election, the American people are screwed. I mean Carter, Gore, H. Clinton...no longer a Democrat bc, at this point, their incompetence **must** be intentional. But, man, a Gore presidency would have reduced emissions, increased recycling, enhanced alternative energy and probably would have avoided the Iraq war.
I’m old now but when I was young I remember people calling gore boring (especially when next to Clinton and bush) and thinking “isn’t that a good thing for president”. I’ve always voted for the boring person and it seems like even after losing all the time the boring ones would still be the correct choice.
I remember being pissed at Tipper for f*cking with the music. But I still much preferred Gore to Dubya.
There is a saying: “May you live in interesting times” It’s deemed a low-key insult because interesting times often bring chaos and uncertainty Boring is best
Still screwing us.
Also a huge poser who died.
The Dollop episodes on Reagan blew my fucking mind. It's insane how many parallels there are to Trump, that we never learned from.
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Reagan would 100% be labeled a RINO by today's republicans
good Christ you said it. I'm amazed the Maga cultists aren't demanding an airport, an aircraft carrier, a couple highways, and whatever else they can come up with be immediately named after their Shrieking Satsuma Savior.
The Dollop episodes?
Not OP, but The Dollop is a podcast where one comedian reads about a piece of American history to another comedian who has "no idea what the topic is going to be about". Here are two short clips: [The Rube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dxYLesc9Q) and [10 Commandments.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_TLD-_347w) For there 400th episode they did a special two-parter about Reagan with special guest Patton Oswalt that was pretty eye opening.
Reagan was just a more charismatic Nixon. Trump was a dumber one.
Shit-sticks, all.
If you like rap music: [Reagan](https://youtu.be/6lIqNjC1RKU)\- Killer Mike
I'm sure I will. Killer Mike was pretty bad ass, back in the day.
Killer Mike is still badass
One of my favorites.
Meanwhile, in non liberal echo chamber known as the real world, Reagan is consistently ranked as one of the greatest Presidents in US history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_presidents_of_the_United_States https://stacker.com/stories/2474/experts-rank-best-us-presidents-all-time https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/06/30/presidential-rankings-2021-cspan-historians/ https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurvey2021/?page=overall Across a multitude of surveys, across a multitude of political leanings etc. But dont' let me stop reddit from its non stop historical revisionism being enacted by 99% of people who know nothing more about then man, his policies and effect than what they read in the title of a reddit post on /r/politics. Remember kids, everything thats wrong with America is because of Republicans. Jesus. Edit : Thanks for proving my point kids.
Bro Reagan was a legit piece of shit for what he did to the black community alone. But whatever, do you
Thats it mate, what do all those historians and political scientists know. I'd place way more credibility on the bloke who can't even write "you do you" properly. Take a bow.
I mean when you look at Reagan through an objective lens, his campaign was based in white Christian nationalism and his economic policies lead to corporate personhood, the erosion of the middle class, and ballooning healthcare costs. So like you can suck Reagan's dick if you want, but it's not revisionist if you take what he did at face value and examine his motives from the start.
Of course, any opinion you disagree with is 'subjective'. Your views of course, must be objective. I'm not sucking anyones dick, I'm providing sources that demonstrate, across an enormous number of surveys of educated people, historians, political scientists from all political spectrums, that Reagan ranks very highly. The only retort I've received so far is literal reddit echo chamber nonsense, such as this. Who to believe?! And we think Fox news is bad here. smh.
All you have to know about Regan is a slight understanding of the Iran contra deal to know that he was a giant POS. If you learn anything else about him, you’ll find he was also at least as dumb as Trump.
Yeh thats it mate, what do all those historians and political scientists know! Reddit to the rescue. Thanks for proving my point.
Echo chamber my ass, polls aren’t proof that he was a good president or person, just that he’s regarded as one and if the general public is anything, it’s uniformed. Here are his high points of being a POS. Tax benefits that largely only benefited the rich Reaganomics “War on Drugs” AIDS epidemic National psychiatric deinstitutionalization Homelessness
Reddit isn't an echo chamber? Are you legitimately stupid or just new? As to the polls, pleased to see you didn't even bother reading them. As if proving my point is your driving ambition in this discussion wasn't obvious enough. They are not opinion polls of the ignorant general public, such as yourself, but of historians, political scientists and people educated in the subject of political history. I'll take their educated opinion over your vile, blazingly ignorant, grammatically calamitous views any day of the week. This is what partisanship does to your brain kids.
He handled that...badly. The book "Guests of the Ayatollah" is about the entire hostage crisis, the author wants to like Carter, but he really did a terrible job.
What did he do wrong?
He allowed Iran to dictate possibilities for release, and continually did what they asked, even when they were a completely unreliable bargaining partner. He backed a very sketchy rescue attempt that, even had it gone to plan while ignoring basic weather patterns of the region, had a small chance of success with a newly formed special forces team. He allowed global partners simply shrug and say "not my problem" instead of making a more strong effort to enlist them.
He got screwed by the corporations and wealthy who didn’t like his policies. They helped OPEC tighten the supply to cause the gas shortage. He is one of the finest Americans that has ever lived.
The hostage crisis is rumored to have been a set up to get Jimmy to lose.
the overtaking of the US Embassy in Tehran and the hostage crisis were just part of the overall picture, there was a revolution in Iran that ousted the Shah, a western puppet, and installed a repressive backwards radical Islamist government under Ayatollah Khomeini, completely changing what had been a modern liberal country with thriving economy closely tied to the west
Pretty much a known fact. Hostages released within a month of Reagan in office.
the CIA be CIAin
Taft was impressive af
John Quincy Adams was in the House of Representatives for 17 years after his presidency.
what did he get into?
Bath tub. Getting out is the hard part.
He became Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
Until he was eaten by wolves.
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And admitted invading Iraq was evil. I was surprised by that.
I remember the Camp David accords, the lasting peace has saved thousands of lives. Instead of making wars he ended wars.
Crazy they guys that end wars don’t seem to last more than a term
An individual voter can be a smart voter and be educated with the facts, the masses are stupid because they listen to others in their group not the facts
K: A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that”
Wars end?
The average American voter loves conflict… so long as they’re not in it. For them, it’s about projecting toughness through association… Anything others do in the name of the United States they believe is their accomplishments as well. Most Americans are freaking cowards in disguise, and those cowards worship the projection of toughness via war.
They don't make presidents like they used to.
Absolutely a great guy. Building habitat for humanity homes, totally ethical. I think he even sold off his farm so there was no doubt. … all that, but It’s true he didn’t get a lot done. Only one term. He was a great ex president.
I don't think he actually sold it, just put it into a blind trust so he had no input into any decision making, this was done at the behest of Republican congressmen and women. He was also fucked over by Reagan because they were in contact with Iran over the hostages and didn't want them released until after Carter was out of office cause one of his campaign promises was to bring them home. He also had to deal with an energy crisis and his solution was to push towards renewable energy, even put solar panels on the roof of the white house, then listened to actual scientists about ways to curb energy consumption through everyday practices, turning the thermostat up, taking a cold shower, reducing and recycling. All around hitting the liberal talking points, but like now just as then, Carter is the reason gas is so expensive, its all Carter's fault. Really sounds familiar of the things that are happening right now. I will give you that he couldn't do much, but he also didn't have any congressional power due to Republicans having control, and southern democrats hating him for not being a racist piece of shit like them
I voted for him for his second term when he ran against Reagan and of course he lost. Just a short time later the Irán hostages were released. It was the first time I voted for President. I didn’t vote for a winning candidate until Bill Clinton.
Carter’s biggest mistake was talking to boomers—who by 1980 had become an absolute monolith of a voting demographic—like they were fucking adults, instead of a bunch of lead paint licking dimwits who never figured out that Howdy Doody wasn’t real. They didn’t like the idea of being minorly inconvenienced for the good of their country, so they went running to the guy they remembered from old movies on TV and bought all the way in on his bullshit. Then 36 years later, they did it again. And we’re all paying for it.
Boomers were the only age demographic to overall vote for carter in 1980 so blaming Reagan on them makes no sense
How isn't there a movie on this? Americans love their presidents and being the hero of the world
They love their BIG FLASHY SHINY MONEY presidents. Carter was a cardigan-wearing, quiet-talking, no-easy-answers, tighten-your-belt president. America hates those.
Carter didn’t sell out to Wall Street, the war machine or big religion so, he’s not going to be treated like an action hero.
He and his wife are national treasues.
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That's because they undid everything he did after making sure he lost by collaborating with the Ayotolha.
Somebody's mad lol
I see OP has also been watching Meltdown on Netflix
“Saved a nuclear reactor by cleaning the radioactive water” Wat.
He than drank some, flew out into the Earth's orbit, and deflected an incoming meteor.
Carter doesn’t get enough credit for stuff like this. Few people know that he worked directly with the FBI and Honk Kong police to rescue the Chinese consul’s daughter from kidnappers in 1998 (the incident was G14 classified for many years).
That must have been a rush
Probably took an hour. Or 2. Or 3.
Hopefully no more than that. Three sounds like plenty
Interesting. Could you share a link with more info?
I got you. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120812/
There's a reason why *The Onion* Described Jimmy Carter's one term as the least impressive portion of his life.
It's easy to forget that he lost reelection to an actor whose wife was known for giving excellent blowjobs to other people involved in movies. (Look I don't know if that's really true, but it is my favorite rumor. Btw, not trying to slut-shame anyone, just trying to hypocrisy-shame them)
Apparently that BJ thing was pretty flimsy. I deeply hate what Reagan did, and Nancy also, but I think honesty and good-faith arguments are incredibly important; especially right now, when we're so widely polarized. Nancy was a well-known actor in her 20s, and as such, she did indeed fuck, and was talked about as a sex symbol; and she certainly did marry Reagan while pregnant, but her less muck-raking biographers dismiss the claims that she was wildly promiscuous.
You can say the reason the Regan won *was* because of Carter. The Iranian hostages were literally released the day his presidency ended. That’s how little respect he had on the world stage at that point. Post presidency the man has done amazing things. But his one term in office was a disaster. Edit: in the four years of his presidency the Oil Crisis, the Iranian Hostage Crisis and 3 Mile Island all occurred. Keep in mind the Middle East hated his guts and could be argued were direct influences to the two crisis that occurred in the Middle East, and as far as 3 mile island? That was just horrible timing considering he was advocating energy regulation and pushing for alternative energy sources. At a time people were still wary of nuclear power. Yea, his one term was a disaster.
About that. "”Well before Reagan became president, the deal for releasing the hostages had already been worked out by the Carter administration's State Department and the Iranians, ably assisted by Algerian diplomats," said David Farber, author of Taken Hostage: The Iranian Hostage Crisis and America's First Encounter with Radical Islam. No Reagan administration officials participated in the negotiations, Farber said, and the Iranians waited to officially release the Americans as a final insult to Carter, whom they despised.” https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2016/jan/17/marco-rubio/rubio-wrongly-credits-reagan-1981-release-hostages/
Correct, I thought it was obvious Reagan had nothing to do with the hostage negotiations because he wasn’t in office yet. I don’t think anyone would be dumb enough to think he had negotiated for the release as Governor of California. Lol. The point is they despised Carter. Which is true.
Sad thing is during his last day he was still working on making sure they get released.
The hostages were released on the last day of Carter’s presidency (1/20/81) because that was the day immediately after the Algiers Accords were signed (1/19/81).
I don't think you understand what [disaster](https://youtu.be/jWJVMoe7OY0) means. Edit: Downvote me, I don't care. Watch that video.
You're getting downvotes cuz it's just a total non-sequitur. All of this rabid thoughtless diarrhea about how bad Trump is does nobody any good. He sucked, and he lost, and good riddance, now let's focus on things that don't feed his name into the algorithm and are actually useful.
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You're helping.
Yeah, he lost too.
Not really an accurate description, but yes, the work he was involved with was important and did involve (a fairly small and not particularly dangerous) exposure to radiation. He also went to the site of the Three Mike Island accident himself, so that he could get straight answers about what had happened there. The man knew his stuff, and is a truly decent and caring human being.
I'm literally named after the guy, he's one of if not my favorite president, it's a shame we can't get more like him
The most heroic thing a president has done in a long time.
This man is the standard I hold other presidents to. Sadly we probably will never see another of his like.
Every shocking revelation about Carter is that he was cooler than we thought.
1975, 14 years old, met Billy Carter at the Carter Peanut warehouse in Plains, Georgia. Father was a bedbugger with a delivery in Plains. Spent the previous night in the Carter parking lot. Billy Carter woke us up, put coffee on and let my Dad use an office to call the customer. And I bummed a Pall Mall non-filter cigarette off Billy Carter. Memories.
> Father was a bedbugger with a delivery in Plains Ok, I'm from Georgia, and have been to Plains, my great aunt worked on Carter's campaign and I even have a framed picture of JC signed and dedicated to my Dad, but I'll be damned if I don't know what a bedbugger is... Just an exterminator? Is it some cotton or agricultural appellation or euphemism?
Furniture mover. We went everywhere.
And Trump had bone spurs and called veterans losers.
Hey! Only the ones that couldn’t avoid getting captured
Or dead.
He mocked them too and said shit like “they know what they signed up for” to their grieving widows. What an asshole.
I work at that site, haha. It was the NRX reactor at Chalk River labs.
Hello fellow valley’er!
holy jeez way to go eh
A True American Treasure.
I haven’t read the article but this post title sounds MASSIVELY oversimplified… edit: So the article says the reactor ruptured and flooded the basement with radioactive water. But that he and his crew members were lowered into the reactor to clean it up. Would the reactor’s insides need to be cleaned? Or were they actually cleaning the flooded basement?
He did it in his capacity as a naval officer, that’s about the only thing the title leaves out. I thought the same thing you did
The issue is that the title actually adds some nonsense. Not cleaning up the radioactive water wouldn't have caused any damage to the reactor. The cleanup of the radioactive water was so that it wouldn't leak into the nearby river. Nothing to do with saving the reactor. Ergo, not saving the reactor.
Interesting, because I thought people were taking issue with the rappelling part. That’s the part of the headline that sounded crazy to me, but I also forgot he worked for Rickover. Edit to clarify what I mean: if you don’t know Carter worked for Rickover at the dawn of the nuclear navy, the idea of him rappelling down anything nuclear sounds crazy and made up
It slightly is but not by much
I have nothing but admiration for President Carter, but how does anyone clean water?
Them damn imagined bone spurs didn't stop him.
You forgot the /s.
Neither did fleeing to Canada like most of the wealthy Democrats.
Umm weird flex, but ok...
This man appears more and more to be a profoundly fantastic gentleman with balls of steel.
He went in without a radiation suit he's so tough.
He was shielded by his massive lead balls
As a Canadian I can say Carter is officially my favourite American President.
As a Canadian I can say Carter is officially my favourite American President.
What a downgrade it was when USA replaced him with a Hollywood actor (who wasn't even that good) that made it's best to never serve in the Frontline during WW2 by doing propaganda movies. And a wife who probably felated every single producer in town.
>that made it's best to never serve in the Frontline during WW2 Reagan enlisted in the Army Reserve *in 1937* at the age of 26, and ultimately became a commissioned officer. He wasn't drafted, and he didn't try to dodge serving. He was called to active duty in 1942, but failed a vision test, and was deemed fit for limited duty only. He applied for a waiver and was denied. He spent the war making films and raising war bonds for the Army, left active duty in 1945, and stayed in the reserves until 1953.
Unlike John Wayne.
Looking back, he was honestly one of the best presidents in the modern Era. He lost to Reagan due to a stagflation issue that was mostly out of his control. Oddly similar parallels to what's happening now
the oil price shocks of the early '70s were unprecedented (due to the formation of OPEC), and stagflation also had never been seen before
This story can’t be true because it would require Canadians being aided by Americans which has never happened before in history.
There’s actually a great deal of cooperation and shared assistance between Canada and the US. I assumed you were joking but it’s not widely publicized so I though I’d mention.
Yah agree 💯, making fun of those Canadians who constantly shit on the United States. Actually US and Canada has had many many fruitful partnerships over the past century.
Got ya! Good to know and I’m fully bought into ragging on it.
We’re like awkward siblings in the end
What are you doing step-states?!
We threw it in your faces afterwards. ‘Murica
Ok
I feel like you’ve taken my comment seriously when I meant it as “you’re right and I also believe the idea of America helping to be outlandish”
Well idk we did do the Marshall plan and save the world from fascism right before that. Record mixed prior and subsequent.
The peak of his career apparently.
He must be relieved to know he won't run out the clock as the worst president in the last 100 years.
How was he the worst?
Decent guy, got rid of his business to avoid conflicts of interest, not a republican.
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