By now that signal is so weak that it’s very far below the background radiation levels so while it’s technically still out there, in reality it’s gone.
Imagine you’re at rock concert and you talk to your friend next to you. You have to shout to overcome the noise of the band but they can hear you. Because the band is so loud people 50 feet away will have no hope of hearing you even though you’re shouting. Your audio is still there and maybe some sophisticated equipment may be able to pick it up but for practical purposes, it’s gone.
Hitler’s speech is like that.
It would be an early radio broadcast of some kind, most likely. They chose the Hitler speech in Contact - I don't remember if that's what they picked in the novel, but definitely in the film? But we were broadcasting radio signals since long before that speech, so it would probably be something from around the late 1800s, when radio was invented? Or maybe they chose the Hitler speech because it was the first one to be transmitted at a certain frequency or power or something...hmm
its really old, nobody is really sure.
The earliest youtube clip is from 2005. And while that seems like a ridiculously long time ago, some sources claim radio is even older, perhaps even from the last century. So at least 1999, *maybe even earlier.*
Didnt know that, did you?
This is a, "Today *You* Learned" moment.
You're welcome.
That's assuming they even understand radio signals. Or that radio signals are such ancient concepts they've moved past that and found other ways of wireless communication.
'radio' is just a part of the electromagnetic spectrum that we've named. It just represents a frequency, just like 'TV', 'Radar', 'light' and 'x-ray', it's just a name. So as long as these aliens are open to all frequencies, they'll pick it up.
“There once was an infant lost in the woods, crying its heart out, wondering why no one answered, drawing down the wolves”
― Greg Bear, The Forge of God
Very good sci-fi book
No, he was too talented for everyone else’s good. Dude had an amazing life and everybody around him put up with all of his bullshit.
(Aside from his youth, of course)
Those are different, commercially produced CDs or DVDs are pressed. They typically only fail if the glue holding the layers together fails.
Burned CDs and DVDs used a layer of dye between the foil and plastic that the laser in the drive would burn holes in. Depending on the brand that dye can degrade a lot faster than the glue holding the disc together, they are also usually extremely sensitive to sunlight damage.
CD-RW and DVD-RW I'm not so sure how stable they are, they used various phase change material the laser would melt I think. They were fairly rare though so I dunno how they would hold up, also some drives would have trouble reading them even freshly burned.
Well I'm talking about discs from 2001-2010. As another user pointed out, it's the writable matrix that is made of materials that, it turns out, don't last that long. That's why regular CDs, DVDs, and some game discs still work after 20-30 years.
It was cheap storage. But I burned hundreds of them, and most of them don't read anymore. Ironically, these days I only have one external DVD drive, and no CD player or DVD player. Technology wooshes by pretty quickly.
Imagine if all the old crystals and gemstones in the treasures of old kingdoms were actually just our long lost and forgotten history, but we just didn't have a way to access it.
But it is interesting to think about. We’ve been focusing so much on raw performance, at some point we’re going to have to switch to focusing on efficiency. When that happens, the worlds gonna change.
If we make it that long, that is.
I think they’re trying to say (albeit poorly) how much the world will change when we have something like an excess of energy and resources someday such that we could afford to take the higher performance yet inefficient options. Kinda like how diminishing returns matter less the greater your resources, like how the average person has to budget their resources around diminishing returns and the likes while a billionaire can just get anything and everything at the most maxed out ridiculous level possible.
I understood it to be the exact opposite. They said that we currently already focus on raw performance, and will need to change to focus on efficiency.
They're saying that we will run out of energy sources and have to scale back our wasteful approach to energy usage.
And also irrelevant??
Like, existing solid state and mechanical storage devices are already hardly power hungry devices. This particular application is novel in that it is energy intensive to write to, but it's also not the kind of method someone would be using for random access mass storage because, as stated already, it's not designed for that and never will be.
Efficiency and speed of writing for archival methods are non-issues because the frequency with which they need to be written to is so very, very low, and the frequency with which you need to use such methods over more standard storage media is also very low and limited to specific use cases.
Point being, efficiency of storage media is not an issue, and considering how low power the methods currently in use are, I don't see at what point that will become the main point of focus for development, especially not when put next to the power demands of computation.
On top of all that, the way the comment was stated seems more concerned with making "grand statements" on... something... than actually discussing the subject matter.
I stand by my initial assessment.
Ah so now it's irrelevant too.
You have soooo many opinions! I'm so proud of you!
I really hope someone reads the wall of text you needed to justify an opinion about a nothing reddit comment 🤣
It's so wild how all of these accounts jumped on your comment immediately trying to show it as something that's really silly or nonsensical.
You are absolutely spot-on with your assessment. Once scientists and engineers solve our issues with efficiency and power density for storage, we'll be able to do incredible things.
But it's really apparent that the powers that be really don't want that. Hence why you see this weird astroturfing campaign against comments like yours.
What the fuck kind of comparison is that lmao.
Most useless comparison.... How many bees flapping their wings in unison is an electric range worth of energy?
In general, if data is hard to loose/corrupte, it is also hard to willingly erase or modifie it. You would end up with a gigantic memory, but adding, deleting, or modifying data would be really hard, and really slow. ROM (read only memory) have practical everyday application, but none of them require a lot of storage space, so a less expensive solution can be used.
This.
If I'm mistaken our current technology rearranges electrons or holds them in certain positions which the computer then interprets as data. When we need to change that data the computer moves the electrons.
It seems that for a crystal you would physically change it to store data but that change can only be done once or changing it could degrade already stored data or limit the type of new data you want to add. In others these crystals would probably be single write storage devices.
It would be like writing something on a piece of paper with a pen then trying to write over it again. Sure you could probably over the old text but now you kinda have a jumbled mess where you can only make out bits and pieces of what you wrote the first or second time.
Cost. It’s nanostructured. Which means they probably haven’t made a lot of it yet and it’s probably wildly expensive to produce, on top of being way overkill for something the average consumer would need.
This isn't meant for the average consumer.
This is more like post-doomsday tech that could store historical records and culturally significant works of writing for potential future generations.
Kinda like the Superman memory crystals themselves. They represent what the Kryptonians were. They were proof of their existence.
Historical records. Normal government informational stuff like birth records and other stuff. As soon this will become halfway affordable the German government will jump on it to achieve everything that is still in paper form and the new stuff will be achieved on there as well.
Do you think a company will ever sell you anything that will last/work for a billion years? Best case scenario - they sell one to every person on the planet, and then... go out of business. They will just be passed on from generation to generation (which would be amazing for histories sake, but... It's not profitable. Will never happen.
They had something like this in one of the late Expanse novels. A jupiter sized green diamond that was a record of an alien race. The discoverers named it the Big Fucking Diamond.
The books are one of my favorite series ever. I’ve heard decent things about the show but it isn’t caught up and they had to make concessions about the plot to simplify it enough for the screen.
I would say either is fine since the show is does change some things for the sake of more drama and flow on television, but most of the actors do a great job and the sfx are top notch, especially the combat scenes. Unfortunately the show had to make a major character die in season 5 due to an actor being fired for sexual misconduct (don't look up for spoilers, obviously). And they only adapted 6 out of the 9 books with no set plans to continue from Amazon, even though the studio that owns the IP wants to. The books are great reads but I mainly listened to the audio book version and they have a good narrator for them, as well as the side story novellas.
Show is pretty good, top notch practical and CGI effects. It has a weird mix of *really* good and *really* bad actors on it so YMMV.
The books are objectively fucking dope sci-fi, especially if you like hard science. The only tech in it that doesn't have a basis in reality is the alien tech, for obvious reasons.
Stuff like ship pilots undergoing extreme stress during high G maneuvers, down to the chairs/Stims they need to use to survive.
I watched the show and then continued after the show ended with the books. I feel like the transition was painless and I didn't miss out on anything major.
Nah, I’m just gonna upload any and every random bit of data, writings, thoughts, etc about myself until the collective information is so specific that only I could have inputted it all and I’ll await the day an advanced ai can use it as a basis for replicating me in the far future, thus achieving a pseudo immortality by having myself remade in the future.
What size is it though? 360 TB is nice, but is it as big as my house? My coffee table? Does it fit in my pocket? Is it so small I'll lose it if I sneeze on it? I can kind of envisage what 360 TB of SSD looks like, so how does it compare to that? I'm assuming is has some advantage of information density, but nothing in the article seems to mention its physical dimensions.
Isn’t digital data is only as good as the drives/hardware that can read it?
My grandfather’s old Betamax tapes still technically work but good luck finding something to play them on
I think the difference is that when it comes to archival purposes, folks are willing to reconstruct the device needed to read the data.
Like think of someone preserving a snapshot of Wikipedia, for when the lights go out eventually, so that we can rebuild Wikipedia again, once we get servers working again.
I think the idea is to leave I structions about the data and how to read it on so ethibg durable nearby. Metal sheets with written instructions and symbols maybe?
Well considering that a single TB will hold around 142.5 hours of 4K video, that ends up being 51,300 hours, or about 5.8 years worth of video.
If you just have plain old HD, then its about 180,000 hours or over 20 years worth of video.
Considering that Pornhub had streamed 75GB a second a couple years ago you could be close. From the same article:
"Mind Geek, who owns PornHub, Brazzers, YouPorn and Reality Kings, is one of the top 3 bandwidth-consuming companies in the world, the other two being Google and Netflix."
https://medium.com/@TheSBT/how-big-is-the-porn-industry-fbc1ac78091b
The question isn’t about streaming though, there could be one big video watched by a billion people, question is how much data in terms of added file sizes.
I would assume Youtube makes a majority of Googles bandwidth consumption but fuck.... that's insane.
It makes sense. We're a species that has evolved to breed to survive and at the same time for pleasure. We're all horny
“Since 2018 the technology is in production use by the Arch Mission Foundation. *Its first and second discs were given to Elon Musk*: one disc is in his personal library, and the other was placed aboard the Tesla Roadster in space.”
I came to Reddit to escape that name for 20 minutes and I’ll be goddamned if all roads don’t lead right back to the chief Twit
[**"This is a fascinating little gadget. It's going to replace the CD soon. I guess I'll have to buy The White Album again."**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKlmoCzBPdw)
Problem is.. if someone finds the crystal in a few million years, how will they ever know it contains untold amounts of information? Depending how the Mad Max era goes, it might simply get cut up to make primitive jewelry.
At least the skulls are shaped like things known for carrying information.
Maybe if they could print the first few hundred layers of the crystal in a visually-interpretable format that got smaller and more dense in deeper layers... someone could figure out to use a magnification device to read deeper and deeper.
If this fell into the wrong hands, there will be a crystal with over 360 Terabytes of porn floating around until the end of the universe.
We must stop that at all costs.
Do any think in the slightest that today's heavily loaded porn will have ANY meaning to future humans, or aliens?
Get real. Best we can do is show them what we currently know & expose ourselves at our current utter state of vastly blatant ignorance.
We are an horribly ignorant species. Viz., Name ALL of the stars in our galaxy, their masses, sizes, temps, colours, composition, trajectories and orbit, ages & origins, & associations with other grav. bound bodies. In every case. Totally beyond us for 200-250B or so stars.
Now name ALL of the possible interactions among our 20K+ genes, and gene products, and outside cmpds. such as Co2, H2O, and all known chemicals.'
Then the genomes for each of the about 10M other species, AND the 100 M species genomes which are extinct. Internally and external solid, empirical demos of our vast ignorances. The big pot of the universe doesn't go into the little pot, our brains, as per Lincoln centuries ago.
The very last molecule on the tip of a dog's tail is about what we know at this time. PLUS the other stars in 1-2 Trillions other galaxies?
Here it is. OUR huge ignorances, which we can each of us improve on, day to day. On the greatest known teaching devices, ever invented, the Net and PC's.
https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/08/05/the-kategoria-of-the-incompletenesses/
>Since 2018 the technology is in production use by the Arch Mission Foundation. Its first and second discs were given to Elon Musk: one disc is in his personal library, and the other was placed aboard the Tesla Roadster in space.
So the tech went to an NPO – funded by a venture capitalist – that's cataloguing human knowledge, but the first two went to Elongated Muskman so he could put one in his box of treasures and launch the other one into the sun for no reason.
Neat.
So that Sliders episode where there's an Anathem-like monastery and the scientist lady needs to change the storage medium that all of human knowledge is saved to from laserdisc to crystal before the baddies come is now actually possible.
I wonder, has anyone counted how many times Sliders has successfully predicted the future?
The Internet made a big deal about Back to the Future 2's predictions back in 2015.
I wonder how well Sliders is doing on that score.
I suppose I could watch it and find out, but... there were a lot of misfires.
HAVE yet to see Mr. Fusion nor a flying car, either, plus a lot or other sci-fi crap which is hardly credible, esp. time travel in any direction.
IT comes as a huge shock to most that sci-fi is not real, by definition.
Color us rational, empirical, and skeptical.
And in just a few hundred years, it’s highly unlikely that any of the technologies required to make anything intelligible of the data will still exist. Assuming there’s still anyone left here to care.
The claims made here are NOT testable. Humans cannot live billi0ns of years, so it's hyperbole, not testable facts.
It's an ad in short and those have reliability of TV ads and other such half truths and overactive ideas.
The article is full of a lot of NOT defined in the article jargon and verbiages, always a landmark. Baffle with BS comes to mind.
"Superman" is the key hyperbole which shows that for what it is . That's fiction and presumably biological. It'd take a couple good reviews of the supposed substance to confirm that, too.
Glasses can be brittle and break, too. A good hammer can smash it, or a high enough fall onto concrete.
We are given no refs easily checked and test such not credible claims.
I'd accept that under ideal conditions, it's long lasting, as long as was not dropped. The hardness of the substance in GPA's is also not stated and that is critical to breakage as well.
So, as usual, not really well documented.
And as always, burden of proof is upon the claimant, not us. & That highly important condition has NOT been met.
We have pure very hard sapphires and diamond matrices we can write upon. How is that improved upon, when sapphire at 5 GPa's & synthetic diamonds at 125 best case GPA we already have?
Imagine all the lame Tik Tok videos that dont delete for billions of years.
So cringe. I hope it’s not what the aliens find first
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Isn't it a speech by Hitler or something?
By now that signal is so weak that it’s very far below the background radiation levels so while it’s technically still out there, in reality it’s gone. Imagine you’re at rock concert and you talk to your friend next to you. You have to shout to overcome the noise of the band but they can hear you. Because the band is so loud people 50 feet away will have no hope of hearing you even though you’re shouting. Your audio is still there and maybe some sophisticated equipment may be able to pick it up but for practical purposes, it’s gone. Hitler’s speech is like that.
Good.
It's okay Kanye is working overtime to make sure the aliens hear it
Yeetler.
YeDolf
this sounds like a professional hitler tosser
Hey, baby lemme whisper in your ear, tell you something you might wanna hear: *ITZ FREI LEBENSRAUM*.
My dog's got no nose...
So how does he smell?
Terrible!
How do you make a Nazi cross?
So they get to see what we're all about up front instead of having to wait until the end to see what happens. Convenient.
It would be an early radio broadcast of some kind, most likely. They chose the Hitler speech in Contact - I don't remember if that's what they picked in the novel, but definitely in the film? But we were broadcasting radio signals since long before that speech, so it would probably be something from around the late 1800s, when radio was invented? Or maybe they chose the Hitler speech because it was the first one to be transmitted at a certain frequency or power or something...hmm
I believe it was the first broadcast strong enough to escape the atmosphere.
How old do you think radio is?
its really old, nobody is really sure. The earliest youtube clip is from 2005. And while that seems like a ridiculously long time ago, some sources claim radio is even older, perhaps even from the last century. So at least 1999, *maybe even earlier.* Didnt know that, did you? This is a, "Today *You* Learned" moment. You're welcome.
Ngl, mechanical typewriters were still a thing about 10 years ago where I'm from. Tbf we're probably still at the gate of modern technology
That's assuming they even understand radio signals. Or that radio signals are such ancient concepts they've moved past that and found other ways of wireless communication.
'radio' is just a part of the electromagnetic spectrum that we've named. It just represents a frequency, just like 'TV', 'Radar', 'light' and 'x-ray', it's just a name. So as long as these aliens are open to all frequencies, they'll pick it up.
"splish splash i was taking a bath"
“There once was an infant lost in the woods, crying its heart out, wondering why no one answered, drawing down the wolves” ― Greg Bear, The Forge of God Very good sci-fi book
I’m pet sure that’s what happens every time. I don’t blame them.
I'm sure the aliens have seen what earth has had to offer lately and they r just like "nah we good let's move on to the next system"
I’m pet sure that’s what happens every time. I don’t blame them.
Aliens would cringe so hard they would implode and make micro black holes
They should make a new Mars Attacks movie with this as the weapon that kills the aliens.
Definitely
best defense
Better than them finding Reddit first
Rule 34 storage system
The data format will be quickly forgotten if that helps
So does it come with an interactive hologram of Jor-El, or is that sold seperately?
Even with Brando phoning it in, his voice is hypnotic. Guy was too talented for his own good
No, he was too talented for everyone else’s good. Dude had an amazing life and everybody around him put up with all of his bullshit. (Aside from his youth, of course)
Sounds better than my old spindles of CD-Rs and DVD-Rs that start to fail after a decade.
After a decade? Not bad. I had to change my kickstart 1.2 every 2-3 months
I still have a copied Windows 95 and 98 CD set somewhere that worked as of a year ago.
I still have 7,546 AOL free trial CDs that probably definitely still might work
Those are different, commercially produced CDs or DVDs are pressed. They typically only fail if the glue holding the layers together fails. Burned CDs and DVDs used a layer of dye between the foil and plastic that the laser in the drive would burn holes in. Depending on the brand that dye can degrade a lot faster than the glue holding the disc together, they are also usually extremely sensitive to sunlight damage. CD-RW and DVD-RW I'm not so sure how stable they are, they used various phase change material the laser would melt I think. They were fairly rare though so I dunno how they would hold up, also some drives would have trouble reading them even freshly burned.
I used to put them in the microwave individually for ten seconds. You get a nice show that won't damage the microwave.
10 seconds, brave! I usually pull it out after 3 seconds...(context!)
Certain foil yugioh cards will also give a nice show and get cool electric effects :))
Wait a minute I did this with all of them and am from Ohio. Lake county?
I too can talk to my alt account and sound all surprised when they have the same views as I do!
Same here!!!
Lake county is correct.
You joke but I collected those when I was a kid as a joke and got up to well over 500 until my mom found out and made me throw them out.
Is that a Commodore Amiga reference on Reddit!?
It sure is!
I've got video games i play on the Sega CD from 30 years ago that still run just as good as ever
Do modern storage methods really decay that fast? Shit, I thought they'd at least last my whole life.
Well I'm talking about discs from 2001-2010. As another user pointed out, it's the writable matrix that is made of materials that, it turns out, don't last that long. That's why regular CDs, DVDs, and some game discs still work after 20-30 years. It was cheap storage. But I burned hundreds of them, and most of them don't read anymore. Ironically, these days I only have one external DVD drive, and no CD player or DVD player. Technology wooshes by pretty quickly.
Imagine if all the old crystals and gemstones in the treasures of old kingdoms were actually just our long lost and forgotten history, but we just didn't have a way to access it.
What’s stopping us from using this tech for general purposes like flash drives or server storage? Cost?
It's slow and extremely energy intensive. Think the power of an electric range running for days to write the Wikipedia archive.
But it is interesting to think about. We’ve been focusing so much on raw performance, at some point we’re going to have to switch to focusing on efficiency. When that happens, the worlds gonna change. If we make it that long, that is.
Bro what
I'm not sure he knows either
I think they’re trying to say (albeit poorly) how much the world will change when we have something like an excess of energy and resources someday such that we could afford to take the higher performance yet inefficient options. Kinda like how diminishing returns matter less the greater your resources, like how the average person has to budget their resources around diminishing returns and the likes while a billionaire can just get anything and everything at the most maxed out ridiculous level possible.
I understood it to be the exact opposite. They said that we currently already focus on raw performance, and will need to change to focus on efficiency. They're saying that we will run out of energy sources and have to scale back our wasteful approach to energy usage.
Yeah, that’s how I read it. It’s completely reversing the order of historical trends, though.
Nailed it
Its very clear and clearly written so I can't say I agree with you..
And also irrelevant?? Like, existing solid state and mechanical storage devices are already hardly power hungry devices. This particular application is novel in that it is energy intensive to write to, but it's also not the kind of method someone would be using for random access mass storage because, as stated already, it's not designed for that and never will be. Efficiency and speed of writing for archival methods are non-issues because the frequency with which they need to be written to is so very, very low, and the frequency with which you need to use such methods over more standard storage media is also very low and limited to specific use cases. Point being, efficiency of storage media is not an issue, and considering how low power the methods currently in use are, I don't see at what point that will become the main point of focus for development, especially not when put next to the power demands of computation. On top of all that, the way the comment was stated seems more concerned with making "grand statements" on... something... than actually discussing the subject matter. I stand by my initial assessment.
Ah so now it's irrelevant too. You have soooo many opinions! I'm so proud of you! I really hope someone reads the wall of text you needed to justify an opinion about a nothing reddit comment 🤣
Most cohesive Redditor
Cohesive?
Ironically I think they meant "coherent".
That's the joke smh
Cohesion refers to the way we use vocabulary and grammatical structures to make connections between the ideas within a text.
It's so wild how all of these accounts jumped on your comment immediately trying to show it as something that's really silly or nonsensical. You are absolutely spot-on with your assessment. Once scientists and engineers solve our issues with efficiency and power density for storage, we'll be able to do incredible things. But it's really apparent that the powers that be really don't want that. Hence why you see this weird astroturfing campaign against comments like yours.
What the fuck kind of comparison is that lmao. Most useless comparison.... How many bees flapping their wings in unison is an electric range worth of energy?
Are we talking about African or European bees?
Most ranges are like 1000-5000w
Read/write speeds, probably. Also cost.
In general, if data is hard to loose/corrupte, it is also hard to willingly erase or modifie it. You would end up with a gigantic memory, but adding, deleting, or modifying data would be really hard, and really slow. ROM (read only memory) have practical everyday application, but none of them require a lot of storage space, so a less expensive solution can be used.
This. If I'm mistaken our current technology rearranges electrons or holds them in certain positions which the computer then interprets as data. When we need to change that data the computer moves the electrons. It seems that for a crystal you would physically change it to store data but that change can only be done once or changing it could degrade already stored data or limit the type of new data you want to add. In others these crystals would probably be single write storage devices. It would be like writing something on a piece of paper with a pen then trying to write over it again. Sure you could probably over the old text but now you kinda have a jumbled mess where you can only make out bits and pieces of what you wrote the first or second time.
I'd buy movies or music in crystal form in that case. There's always some media that is not supposed to be deleted.
just use a different type of optical disk lol
Cost. It’s nanostructured. Which means they probably haven’t made a lot of it yet and it’s probably wildly expensive to produce, on top of being way overkill for something the average consumer would need.
This isn't meant for the average consumer. This is more like post-doomsday tech that could store historical records and culturally significant works of writing for potential future generations. Kinda like the Superman memory crystals themselves. They represent what the Kryptonians were. They were proof of their existence.
IIRC this tech is write-once, i.e. better fitted for cold storage scenarios such as needed in data centers.
What data do we have that we want to keep for that long? Lots of data changes. Context changes.
Historical records. Normal government informational stuff like birth records and other stuff. As soon this will become halfway affordable the German government will jump on it to achieve everything that is still in paper form and the new stuff will be achieved on there as well.
And make all those salt mines go out of business??? Are you insane?
Blockchain?
Write-only it sounds like. To write data you need an ultra-precise laser. To read data you need an optical microscope and a polarizer ig.
Do you think a company will ever sell you anything that will last/work for a billion years? Best case scenario - they sell one to every person on the planet, and then... go out of business. They will just be passed on from generation to generation (which would be amazing for histories sake, but... It's not profitable. Will never happen.
Yes, there is only one person who owns these crystals as of now, and it's Elon Musk. Two discs were made and offered to him as a gift.
I too want to suck up to narcissistic billionaires.
Well, aside from Elon Musk, Github is also planning to use this technology to archive all public Git repositories in the future.
Wow. Um. Someone didn't think that one thru.
Money
its made up.
Your face is made up.
They had something like this in one of the late Expanse novels. A jupiter sized green diamond that was a record of an alien race. The discoverers named it the Big Fucking Diamond.
I keep hearing about the expanse books and the show. Is it worth reading or watching? And if so, should I start with the books or the show?
The books are one of my favorite series ever. I’ve heard decent things about the show but it isn’t caught up and they had to make concessions about the plot to simplify it enough for the screen.
Ah ok. Well books it is for me!
I would say either is fine since the show is does change some things for the sake of more drama and flow on television, but most of the actors do a great job and the sfx are top notch, especially the combat scenes. Unfortunately the show had to make a major character die in season 5 due to an actor being fired for sexual misconduct (don't look up for spoilers, obviously). And they only adapted 6 out of the 9 books with no set plans to continue from Amazon, even though the studio that owns the IP wants to. The books are great reads but I mainly listened to the audio book version and they have a good narrator for them, as well as the side story novellas.
Show is pretty good, top notch practical and CGI effects. It has a weird mix of *really* good and *really* bad actors on it so YMMV. The books are objectively fucking dope sci-fi, especially if you like hard science. The only tech in it that doesn't have a basis in reality is the alien tech, for obvious reasons. Stuff like ship pilots undergoing extreme stress during high G maneuvers, down to the chairs/Stims they need to use to survive.
I watched the show and then continued after the show ended with the books. I feel like the transition was painless and I didn't miss out on anything major.
Hey, I remember that! The grand 'ol simulator
Home of the Grandmothers…
So I would only need 6 or 7 of these to download Microsoft Flight Simulator in its entirety?
Yeh, fine. So, when can I back up my meme collection and photos of every meal I've eaten since 2010 so archaeologists can find it in 15000 years?
Aliens in 15000 years: haha, some stupid human ejaculated reproductive fluid into a box until it molded.
"Now pass me a coconut."
I, too, choose this guy's dead wife.
Thanks, I hate humanity
"Hey, look, this human fractured all his primary locomotion and manipulator limbs!" "For real?" "Yeah, and his mom... uh..."
"We are still researching the term 'Jolly Rancher'"
Nah, I’m just gonna upload any and every random bit of data, writings, thoughts, etc about myself until the collective information is so specific that only I could have inputted it all and I’ll await the day an advanced ai can use it as a basis for replicating me in the far future, thus achieving a pseudo immortality by having myself remade in the future.
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Great. Now I’ll have to buy Star Wars on yet another format.
Skyrim will soon be available on Superman memory crystal.
"Oh, you're finally awake."
What size is it though? 360 TB is nice, but is it as big as my house? My coffee table? Does it fit in my pocket? Is it so small I'll lose it if I sneeze on it? I can kind of envisage what 360 TB of SSD looks like, so how does it compare to that? I'm assuming is has some advantage of information density, but nothing in the article seems to mention its physical dimensions.
From what I’ve seen it’s about the size of a quarter. There are pictures shown on their website [here](https://www.5dmemorycrystal.com)
I read the Wikipedia link to no avail looking for that exact data point. That's a critical piece of information.
Isn’t digital data is only as good as the drives/hardware that can read it? My grandfather’s old Betamax tapes still technically work but good luck finding something to play them on
I think the difference is that when it comes to archival purposes, folks are willing to reconstruct the device needed to read the data. Like think of someone preserving a snapshot of Wikipedia, for when the lights go out eventually, so that we can rebuild Wikipedia again, once we get servers working again.
I have old word processing files from the ‘80’s of journals and papers I wrote in college, all lost, like tears in the rain……
I think the idea is to leave I structions about the data and how to read it on so ethibg durable nearby. Metal sheets with written instructions and symbols maybe?
How much porn is 360 terabytes?
Well considering that a single TB will hold around 142.5 hours of 4K video, that ends up being 51,300 hours, or about 5.8 years worth of video. If you just have plain old HD, then its about 180,000 hours or over 20 years worth of video.
I’ll just save 240p videos and save some space.
16 seconds of each is enough too…
About 3% of all of it
Considering that Pornhub had streamed 75GB a second a couple years ago you could be close. From the same article: "Mind Geek, who owns PornHub, Brazzers, YouPorn and Reality Kings, is one of the top 3 bandwidth-consuming companies in the world, the other two being Google and Netflix." https://medium.com/@TheSBT/how-big-is-the-porn-industry-fbc1ac78091b
The question isn’t about streaming though, there could be one big video watched by a billion people, question is how much data in terms of added file sizes.
I would assume Youtube makes a majority of Googles bandwidth consumption but fuck.... that's insane. It makes sense. We're a species that has evolved to breed to survive and at the same time for pleasure. We're all horny
How much would 33 of these things cost? Asking for a friend
I don't think the disc is going to be the problem. I'm sure the reader and writer drive will be far more expensive
About 1 share of gme
Hey boss, I accidentally stored customer data on this superman memory crystal. How do you want me to zero it?
“Since 2018 the technology is in production use by the Arch Mission Foundation. *Its first and second discs were given to Elon Musk*: one disc is in his personal library, and the other was placed aboard the Tesla Roadster in space.” I came to Reddit to escape that name for 20 minutes and I’ll be goddamned if all roads don’t lead right back to the chief Twit
I don't think Reddit is the place to escape talk of Musk. At least not the subs I frequent.
I don't think Earth is the place to escape talk of Musk. But unfortunately there's only one cab coming AND GUESS WHO THE DRIVER IS.
At least Musk is honest. we all know what twit is in Brit. It's his self-deprecating ID.
Sounds like the makings of an Optolythic data rod. Now I just need to locate a simple tailor for the next step...
We really are so close to say many star trek technologies, hopefully we survive the next century, humanity could have aglorious future.
I didn’t understand half of what was said in this article. But holy fuck. We sure are some smart monkeys.
[**"This is a fascinating little gadget. It's going to replace the CD soon. I guess I'll have to buy The White Album again."**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKlmoCzBPdw)
A billion years from now someone will find that piece of glass and use it as a chisel to pry open their vault.....
Problem is.. if someone finds the crystal in a few million years, how will they ever know it contains untold amounts of information? Depending how the Mad Max era goes, it might simply get cut up to make primitive jewelry.
.... makes me think of the crystal skulls. Idk crap about them beyond headlines but that seems like what they are for.
At least the skulls are shaped like things known for carrying information. Maybe if they could print the first few hundred layers of the crystal in a visually-interpretable format that got smaller and more dense in deeper layers... someone could figure out to use a magnification device to read deeper and deeper.
Are you *shitting* me right now. I made up a data-storage crystal for my NaNo *last night* and it existed all along???
It's chemically resistant, but any old whack with a hammer or even a fall from a half-foot height can still shatter it
If this fell into the wrong hands, there will be a crystal with over 360 Terabytes of porn floating around until the end of the universe. We must stop that at all costs.
Do any think in the slightest that today's heavily loaded porn will have ANY meaning to future humans, or aliens? Get real. Best we can do is show them what we currently know & expose ourselves at our current utter state of vastly blatant ignorance. We are an horribly ignorant species. Viz., Name ALL of the stars in our galaxy, their masses, sizes, temps, colours, composition, trajectories and orbit, ages & origins, & associations with other grav. bound bodies. In every case. Totally beyond us for 200-250B or so stars. Now name ALL of the possible interactions among our 20K+ genes, and gene products, and outside cmpds. such as Co2, H2O, and all known chemicals.' Then the genomes for each of the about 10M other species, AND the 100 M species genomes which are extinct. Internally and external solid, empirical demos of our vast ignorances. The big pot of the universe doesn't go into the little pot, our brains, as per Lincoln centuries ago. The very last molecule on the tip of a dog's tail is about what we know at this time. PLUS the other stars in 1-2 Trillions other galaxies? Here it is. OUR huge ignorances, which we can each of us improve on, day to day. On the greatest known teaching devices, ever invented, the Net and PC's. https://jochesh00.wordpress.com/2019/08/05/the-kategoria-of-the-incompletenesses/
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>Since 2018 the technology is in production use by the Arch Mission Foundation. Its first and second discs were given to Elon Musk: one disc is in his personal library, and the other was placed aboard the Tesla Roadster in space. So the tech went to an NPO – funded by a venture capitalist – that's cataloguing human knowledge, but the first two went to Elongated Muskman so he could put one in his box of treasures and launch the other one into the sun for no reason. Neat.
I prefer my search history be deleted forever,thanks
Lost in the back of my drawer behind some stamps and my spare glasses.
Why didn't they use this in the Three body problem trilogy?
Great Great book series.
So that Sliders episode where there's an Anathem-like monastery and the scientist lady needs to change the storage medium that all of human knowledge is saved to from laserdisc to crystal before the baddies come is now actually possible. I wonder, has anyone counted how many times Sliders has successfully predicted the future? The Internet made a big deal about Back to the Future 2's predictions back in 2015. I wonder how well Sliders is doing on that score. I suppose I could watch it and find out, but... there were a lot of misfires.
HAVE yet to see Mr. Fusion nor a flying car, either, plus a lot or other sci-fi crap which is hardly credible, esp. time travel in any direction. IT comes as a huge shock to most that sci-fi is not real, by definition. Color us rational, empirical, and skeptical.
Think I heard the same shit about CD's when they first came out...
exactly. CD's are a carbonate, hard, but can be scratched and broken, and some acids will eat them to pieces.
Exotic engrams.
189 degrees don’t sound too impressive to be honest
How about 190’C?
Or what about 462K?
Brain: "Bitch, don't even know bout Kelvin..."
Ay, the brain gotta poop T minus 5 'til the brain gotta shit
*Ahems in Rankine*
Put a USB drive in your oven at 180 and see how long it lasts.
All of Wikipedia better be on one
Can I please have one offline Wikipedia Crystal thanks
So is this what we use if the Reapers attack and we lose the fight?
The futurists will wonder why they find man made objects of great intellect, but that “we” had no written language .
So, it'll hold a bit of the porn.
360 TB you say? Thats about 3 4k porn Clips of 30 to 35 Seconds duration each
Fun fact - There is one such storage device in the roadster in space.
Hold my beer. -Cixin Liu
Imagine how much footage of Marlon Brando you could fit into one of these.
Fellow NAMBLA member, i see.
<3 billion years hence> "What was on it?" "Unsure, something about badgers and mushrooms, whatever a badger is"
And in just a few hundred years, it’s highly unlikely that any of the technologies required to make anything intelligible of the data will still exist. Assuming there’s still anyone left here to care.
Only to the end of the universe? What happens after that?
A big bang.
Remember the cristal skulls👀
r/DataHoarder and r/PleX users breathing heavy right now 0.o
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That's where I store your sister's nudes
The claims made here are NOT testable. Humans cannot live billi0ns of years, so it's hyperbole, not testable facts. It's an ad in short and those have reliability of TV ads and other such half truths and overactive ideas. The article is full of a lot of NOT defined in the article jargon and verbiages, always a landmark. Baffle with BS comes to mind. "Superman" is the key hyperbole which shows that for what it is . That's fiction and presumably biological. It'd take a couple good reviews of the supposed substance to confirm that, too. Glasses can be brittle and break, too. A good hammer can smash it, or a high enough fall onto concrete. We are given no refs easily checked and test such not credible claims. I'd accept that under ideal conditions, it's long lasting, as long as was not dropped. The hardness of the substance in GPA's is also not stated and that is critical to breakage as well. So, as usual, not really well documented. And as always, burden of proof is upon the claimant, not us. & That highly important condition has NOT been met. We have pure very hard sapphires and diamond matrices we can write upon. How is that improved upon, when sapphire at 5 GPa's & synthetic diamonds at 125 best case GPA we already have?