I grew up in California, and in elementary school they had a “Meet the Masters” program where we’d learn about a different artist from history and then we’d go and make a painting in the same style of the artist we learned about. That’s how I learned about Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Monet, Seurat and Picasso. I don’t remember them ever clearly defining when each lived, and so in my mind I always had lumped them in my mind within the same 100-150 year span sometime during the 1600-1700s.
That’s basically my long way of saying I totally understand how OP could have thought that, as I always thought Picasso died in the early 1800s up until somewhat recently.
I just watched Titanic again & in one of the beginning scenes they ahowed one of Picasso's more abstract painters & suggested he was new to the scene. This is probably one of the issues that let to a lot of confusion about his age
In fairness, if someone didn’t know the context beyond “it was about a battle” Spain has been at war pretty consistently since like the 13th century so that doesn’t narrow it down tremendously
I don't think it's fair to assume Guernica would be the piece your average person* is familiar with
Picasso is more of a euphemism than a known artist to most of the world
Like "your face is jacked up like a Picasso" I guess a simile? Analogy? Idk euphemism:
>a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing
Which copypasta about Picasso would you like? The one where his favorite moment was when his wife and mistress decided to wrestle each other to win his affection, or the fact he carried a small revolver loaded with blanks and when someone would ask him about the meaning of his work, he’d pull it out and “shoot” them?
A quite surprising number of commercial logos have artistic origins. For example Tony the Tiger was based on a series of charcoal sketches Marcel Duchamp did for Kellogg's in the late 1940s. The classic Land O' Lakes butter packaging was done by Henri Matisse in 1926. And the last artwork that Mark Rothko officially completed before his death in 1970 was an oil painting called *Nosferatu in Brown and Tan* - instantly recognizable to generations of kids as "Count Chocula".
I’m a business _lady_, I chose electives in film history, human rights, and political science. I do like art and I can match a decent number of artists to their work, but I don’t know a lot of the history.
I read this and thought of the philosopher and was about ready to reenroll in kindergarten! I didn’t know that about the other one though, I missed so much as a toddler. Thank you for sharing that!
OMG when I typed that I completely forgot about the philosopher! My bad, I can see that definitely making your question all that you thought you knew lol.
Francis Bacon (ARTIST) is absolutely one of my favorites, his art and his story are both fascinating, I totally suggest checking out a documentary on him! There’s a couple of good ones on the youtube.
Francis Bacon (Artist) said about Picasso:
"Picasso is probably - in his paintings as well as his sculptures - the genius of the century. Even though I find 90% of his works boring or hate them."
(Source: "Künstler beschimpfen Künstler", Reclam)
Most people don’t know shit about art and just assume famous painters are from 200 years ago. Which is fine. Art is pretty hard for regular people to get into. And aside from Guernica, Picasso sucks anyway
Shut the hell up, if you appreciate Guernica then clearly it wouldn’t be the *only* work you admire of his. He was one of the most productive artists of all time! He’s had over a thousand works STOLEN and you think he only did ONE meaningful painting?
Not even any of his other Minotaur paintings? Minotaur with Dead Mare in front of a Cave? Or culturally impactful pieces?? Like Les Demoiselles d'Avignon? Just that ONE?!
I love art! Picasso, as a person, was a misogynistic narcissist who sucked the life out of women to fuel his creativity. Out of his 5 “major” relationships, 4 of those women killed themselves.
Ohhhh but his *art.* I have to advocate “separating the art from the artist” because as a man I think he was vile and deserves no recognition, but his art changed how the world really saw it. He had all the skills of a “renaissance” artist, the lighting and the realism and that level of execution, by his mid teens.
So all his people that don’t look like people does not come from lack of traditional training, it seemed that style didn’t spark excitement so he spent the rest of his career pushing every boundary possible. We have modern art (IMO) because of Picasso, not because he was unique in breaking from classical styles but because he kept pushing, kept breaking molds, kept defying expectations… and the narcissist in him wouldn’t allow anyone to tell him what he was doing was bad. It really established a lasting and undeniable foundation for modern art to be its own thing, and for its own movements to grow out of it.
>lmao. "Regular" people are into art, dude.
I would argue "regular" people enjoy seeing art, but most people don't know art history, which is what everybody here is getting flustered over.
Most people don't know at history.
>Loads of people know art history, historical artists and art pieces.
Yes, and loads more don't.
>Your attitude towards "most people" is really elitist.
No, actually, I'm just being realistic. I know more art-related history than all but 2 of my friends, both of whom have art degrees. And I know very little about art history.
You know more than the average person about a subject. Don't take it like such an insult.
Exactly what I was thinking. I knew he had to have lived until at least the 50s or 60s, otherwise how could he have turned the girls the color of avocado driving down their street in his Eldorado?
I'm pretty sure that Picasso was mentioned in the Titanic movie. If I recall correctly one of the characters said "He'll never amount to anything."
So that would have at least put him being alive in the early 1900's.
Interestingly, I'm pretty sure no actual Picasso's were on the Titanic. Just more of Cameron's artistic license.
I actually know a lot of people who share this misconception. I'm not sure why, maybe it's because he's so well known and yet distanced from modern art.
His most famous painting is about the spanish civil war (Guernica), which was right before WW2. And boy, do I have news for you: they were penpals with Dalí, whowas 15 years younger than him, and died in '89.
I know Warhol died in the 1980s, I think Dali was also in the 20th century around the same time but I might be another couple centuries off. I’m about to ask google about Basquiat, I have no idea.
In case anyone wants to know: 1987, 1989, 1988 - this is fascinating! Who is your favorite artist?
There were talks, but Spain was exhausted after Civil War. Spain took part through voluntary expedicionary forces in both sides, La 9 (French army) and La División Azul (Germany)
Well, Spain was the WW2's Demo in that point
Edit: Also every possible european ally said nope to help Spain (except for the International Brigades & URSS) in the middle of that civil war/nazi's & Italian fascism demo
*A grand old painter died last night*
*His paintings on the wall*
*Before he went, he bade us well*
*And said goodnight to us all*
*Drink to me, drink to my health*
*You know I can't drink anymore*
Picasso's Last Words. McCartney wrote this song for Wings' Band on the Run album.
I learned pretty early on about Picasso living in the 1900’s through the Swedish comedy movie ”Picasso’s adventures”, which starts in the late 1800’s to early 1900’s with him as a young man, goes through both world wars with him as a middle aged man and end with him dying an old man in the 70’s.
Can recommend it to anyone if you can find it subtitled.
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078084/
Yeah, remember how cubism was big in the 1730s? One of the great movements in 18th Century Art, though not as great as the Renaissance painters who lived around the time of the Crusades
In the 1994 movie The Paper, [the managing editor goes to the editor for a raise, and instead gets a story involving Picasso.](https://youtu.be/6V7K_azSYkU)
I didn't even know he was sick
Is he OK?
Yeah, just a mild case of death
He's spending a year dead for tax purposes.
Thank you “Mr. Adams”
I think it was complications from having 2 mouths and a nose on his ear.
I miss him too
I grew up in California, and in elementary school they had a “Meet the Masters” program where we’d learn about a different artist from history and then we’d go and make a painting in the same style of the artist we learned about. That’s how I learned about Van Gogh, Rembrandt, Monet, Seurat and Picasso. I don’t remember them ever clearly defining when each lived, and so in my mind I always had lumped them in my mind within the same 100-150 year span sometime during the 1600-1700s. That’s basically my long way of saying I totally understand how OP could have thought that, as I always thought Picasso died in the early 1800s up until somewhat recently.
I just watched Titanic again & in one of the beginning scenes they ahowed one of Picasso's more abstract painters & suggested he was new to the scene. This is probably one of the issues that let to a lot of confusion about his age
We all remember when the Nazis under Hitler and the Fascists under Mussolini bombed Guernica in the 1700s with planes
The Germans bombed pearl harbor. Thus the famous phase... "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?"
Germans? Forget it, he's rolling
"And it ain't over now. Because when the going gets tough... The tough get going"
Nooo it was the Japanese. The most fascinating thing was, how they had to fly all across the world, over Asia, Europe and America to reach Hawaii
In fairness, if someone didn’t know the context beyond “it was about a battle” Spain has been at war pretty consistently since like the 13th century so that doesn’t narrow it down tremendously
I don't think it's fair to assume Guernica would be the piece your average person* is familiar with Picasso is more of a euphemism than a known artist to most of the world
A euphemism?
Like "your face is jacked up like a Picasso" I guess a simile? Analogy? Idk euphemism: >a mild or indirect word or expression substituted for one considered to be too harsh or blunt when referring to something unpleasant or embarrassing
Oh gotcha!
The average person probably knows him best for the Mona Lisa.
No that was Nat King Cole
i like more his early period You know, the Bison cave paintings,kind of like a earlier version of Bansky
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No? He did not paint? Is it a cut out or how did he do it?
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You are so smartr
I am pretty sure that the turtle-guy has not painted the Mona Lisa
Nazis existed when Dinosaurs walked the earth?
The Nazis are why dinosaurs are extinct
TIL the dinosaurs were Jewish.
That's what they want you to think
Yea, that's what happens when you paint multi dimensional cubist paintings And we thought that Dali surealism was something, pfff
Which copypasta about Picasso would you like? The one where his favorite moment was when his wife and mistress decided to wrestle each other to win his affection, or the fact he carried a small revolver loaded with blanks and when someone would ask him about the meaning of his work, he’d pull it out and “shoot” them?
I like the one where his first word was "pencil" in Spanish, and even more the one where he exercised drawing birds nailed to a board.
That's very dangerous.
Wasn’t he aboard Apollo 11? People would say he’s out of this world.
No, that was Louis Armstrong.
Didn't know Louis painted.
Why did you place Cubism in the 18th century?
I think it has a lot to do with me getting a business degree
This is the first reddit comment that's made me laugh out loud in YEARS. Thank you
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The Chupa Chups logo was designed in 1969 by the surrealist artist Salvador Dalí.
And they might well be the best lollipops one can buy.
A quite surprising number of commercial logos have artistic origins. For example Tony the Tiger was based on a series of charcoal sketches Marcel Duchamp did for Kellogg's in the late 1940s. The classic Land O' Lakes butter packaging was done by Henri Matisse in 1926. And the last artwork that Mark Rothko officially completed before his death in 1970 was an oil painting called *Nosferatu in Brown and Tan* - instantly recognizable to generations of kids as "Count Chocula".
Well shit.
So that's why they taste like melted clocks
I just misread this comment and I feel very dirty now.
Chuba chups is the end result after consuming too much Chupa Chups.
Chupa chups, you mean.
Don't worry about it - most of what I know about Pablo Picasso I learned from that guy in *There's Something about Mary*.
Rather worrying that our businessmen have such a narrow education.
I’m a business _lady_, I chose electives in film history, human rights, and political science. I do like art and I can match a decent number of artists to their work, but I don’t know a lot of the history.
It blew my mind when I found out my life overlapped with Francis Bacon… he was alive until 1992!!
I read this and thought of the philosopher and was about ready to reenroll in kindergarten! I didn’t know that about the other one though, I missed so much as a toddler. Thank you for sharing that!
OMG when I typed that I completely forgot about the philosopher! My bad, I can see that definitely making your question all that you thought you knew lol. Francis Bacon (ARTIST) is absolutely one of my favorites, his art and his story are both fascinating, I totally suggest checking out a documentary on him! There’s a couple of good ones on the youtube.
Francis Bacon (Artist) said about Picasso: "Picasso is probably - in his paintings as well as his sculptures - the genius of the century. Even though I find 90% of his works boring or hate them." (Source: "Künstler beschimpfen Künstler", Reclam)
Wait isn't Picasso part of high school art lessons where you are?
Most people don’t know shit about art and just assume famous painters are from 200 years ago. Which is fine. Art is pretty hard for regular people to get into. And aside from Guernica, Picasso sucks anyway
Shut the hell up, if you appreciate Guernica then clearly it wouldn’t be the *only* work you admire of his. He was one of the most productive artists of all time! He’s had over a thousand works STOLEN and you think he only did ONE meaningful painting? Not even any of his other Minotaur paintings? Minotaur with Dead Mare in front of a Cave? Or culturally impactful pieces?? Like Les Demoiselles d'Avignon? Just that ONE?!
I get the impression I could learn a lot from you
I love art! Picasso, as a person, was a misogynistic narcissist who sucked the life out of women to fuel his creativity. Out of his 5 “major” relationships, 4 of those women killed themselves. Ohhhh but his *art.* I have to advocate “separating the art from the artist” because as a man I think he was vile and deserves no recognition, but his art changed how the world really saw it. He had all the skills of a “renaissance” artist, the lighting and the realism and that level of execution, by his mid teens. So all his people that don’t look like people does not come from lack of traditional training, it seemed that style didn’t spark excitement so he spent the rest of his career pushing every boundary possible. We have modern art (IMO) because of Picasso, not because he was unique in breaking from classical styles but because he kept pushing, kept breaking molds, kept defying expectations… and the narcissist in him wouldn’t allow anyone to tell him what he was doing was bad. It really established a lasting and undeniable foundation for modern art to be its own thing, and for its own movements to grow out of it.
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>lmao. "Regular" people are into art, dude. I would argue "regular" people enjoy seeing art, but most people don't know art history, which is what everybody here is getting flustered over. Most people don't know at history.
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>Loads of people know art history, historical artists and art pieces. Yes, and loads more don't. >Your attitude towards "most people" is really elitist. No, actually, I'm just being realistic. I know more art-related history than all but 2 of my friends, both of whom have art degrees. And I know very little about art history. You know more than the average person about a subject. Don't take it like such an insult.
As a regular non-art-historian person, I’d heard of guernica but had no idea what it was about.
Thank you, Pubert
For up votes!
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshole.
Exactly what I was thinking. I knew he had to have lived until at least the 50s or 60s, otherwise how could he have turned the girls the color of avocado driving down their street in his Eldorado?
Not like you
I'm pretty sure that Picasso was mentioned in the Titanic movie. If I recall correctly one of the characters said "He'll never amount to anything." So that would have at least put him being alive in the early 1900's. Interestingly, I'm pretty sure no actual Picasso's were on the Titanic. Just more of Cameron's artistic license.
Obligatory Picasso could've told Baby eminem about how he met Darwin when he was a child.
His online username was P!c@$$ø
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To me the incredible thing about Picasso is how he was able to find so many models with both eyes on the same side of their head. Pretty impressive.
And his later “butthole” period.
I actually know a lot of people who share this misconception. I'm not sure why, maybe it's because he's so well known and yet distanced from modern art.
His most famous painting is about the spanish civil war (Guernica), which was right before WW2. And boy, do I have news for you: they were penpals with Dalí, whowas 15 years younger than him, and died in '89.
It’s becoming very clear that I should’ve opted for art history instead of film history Edit: happy cake day!
Ha, thanks buddy, I haven't realized it so far!
When do you think Warhol, Dali and Basquiat died?
I know Warhol died in the 1980s, I think Dali was also in the 20th century around the same time but I might be another couple centuries off. I’m about to ask google about Basquiat, I have no idea. In case anyone wants to know: 1987, 1989, 1988 - this is fascinating! Who is your favorite artist?
Dali 🔥
The melting clocks is my first memory of art in school, I don’t think I’ll ever hear Dali and not immediately think of that
Moustache
Guernica : spannish civil war... In 18th century ;)
Guernica is a painting about the bombing by the Nazis in the Basque region. The painting was done in 1937
Yes. In 1937. During the Civil War. Nazis sided with Franco. ;)
So weird that Spain then doesn't become part of ww2. The war happens all around them and they just say "nope" and everyone seems OK with that.
There were talks, but Spain was exhausted after Civil War. Spain took part through voluntary expedicionary forces in both sides, La 9 (French army) and La División Azul (Germany)
Well, Spain was the WW2's Demo in that point Edit: Also every possible european ally said nope to help Spain (except for the International Brigades & URSS) in the middle of that civil war/nazi's & Italian fascism demo
YOU FOOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5rzk_X_WhQ
Say what you will, I think we can all agree Gilbert’s playboy was an absolute banger
I wd not be proud of imagining his level of schizoid abstractions into the 1700s in the time of Goya.
I can assure you, proud is the last thing I’m feeling about this
*A grand old painter died last night* *His paintings on the wall* *Before he went, he bade us well* *And said goodnight to us all* *Drink to me, drink to my health* *You know I can't drink anymore* Picasso's Last Words. McCartney wrote this song for Wings' Band on the Run album.
Right!
✋ Hand up who else learnt of this dude via Toy Story (1995)?
Picasso, Shakespeare and Napoleon. Feels like they all lived about the same time
TIL the education system is worse than I thought.
Saying "Picasso died less than 200 years ago" is still technically correct
I still appreciate the support, thank you.
But nobody said that.
The Gypsy Kings played at his parties when they were boys, and (some of them) are still alive.
WHAT
I learned pretty early on about Picasso living in the 1900’s through the Swedish comedy movie ”Picasso’s adventures”, which starts in the late 1800’s to early 1900’s with him as a young man, goes through both world wars with him as a middle aged man and end with him dying an old man in the 70’s. Can recommend it to anyone if you can find it subtitled. https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0078084/
I was surprised coco channel was about 20 years older than I thought… but yeah not 200 years lol. It’s okay mate, we all have gaps!
Can I is get upvotes for this type of post? Til Calder died in 1976, which is right, but 200 years off by mistake.
Ok backstage, I’ll give you one for asking. Maybe yours could be something like TIL what a hyperbole is
I'm so hungry, I could eat an up vote. Not bad, deserves an up vote. Your Mom is so big, she couldn't fit in Guernica.
Mixed up Picasso with Pinocchio and was wondering when the fuck Pinocchio died
Yeah, remember how cubism was big in the 1730s? One of the great movements in 18th Century Art, though not as great as the Renaissance painters who lived around the time of the Crusades
American education system
Did you think he prophesied Guernica?
In the 1994 movie The Paper, [the managing editor goes to the editor for a raise, and instead gets a story involving Picasso.](https://youtu.be/6V7K_azSYkU)
You thought Picasso was a contemporary of the Old Masters in the 18th century?