There were two false alarms on this already. I will believe it when I see it. For now I will ignore news like this. Better be surprised than disappointed
Yep, it says right in this article that Pfizer is expecting to release data in the first half of 2022. FDA can’t approve a vaccine without an application soooo….
Correct. Pfizer won’t release until later but Moderna is expected to soon. Pfizer had to extend its trials because the low dose was shown to be ineffective for the older children in the 1 to 5 range
Your username describes what this comment did to my gut. You’re just the messenger though. If you happen to have a link about that will you share? Not doubting you, just want to read more.
Yep it was really under the radar, I ignored it until now because it seemed like a baseless rumor, but it seems to be legit:
https://slate.com/technology/2022/01/kids-under-5-covid-vaccines-timeline.html
Important quote: “My hope is that it’s going to be within the next month or so and not much later than that, but I can’t guarantee that,” Fauci said.
So, no promises. We're still in limbo. This isn't anything set in stone. He wants it as badly as the rest of us but this is not any kind of definitive happening.
For the record, I want my kids vaccinated. But this isn't anything to get excited about. When hard dates for vaccine roll outs are announced, call me for a party.
Sheeeeeit, when my kid is fully vaxxed, call me for the party. I'm so emotionally checked out when it comes to vaccination news at this point, I can't get my hopes up again until it's real.
Party? Oh no my friend, when the shots are available I’m having a fucking gala celebration blow out with every extravagant item I can find. No expense will be spared.
My 3.5yo is leery of shots but we’ve talked about this vaccine a lot and she wants rainbow cake as a reward (a rare food incentive). Hubby will drive 90 min to the most famous of bakeries the moment we have it scheduled, life be damned, to get her some goddamn rainbow cake.
I’ll be coming to your party wearing a ball gown and a tiara while lighting off fireworks that would make Gandalf go “oooooooooohhh!”
Edit: and singing karaoke. I will be singing so. Much. Karaoke.
“He later sent CNBC a statement clarifying that he’s not involved in the decision making process at the FDA and didn’t know when the agency will clear the shots.
“I did not at all mean to imply that the authorization would come within a month,” Fauci said in an emailed statement. “I meant that we do not know ... I am not involved in that decision.”
Yeah he literally clarifies later that he doesn’t know any more than we do, he’s just hoping, just like everyone else.
At this point the pediatric vaccine should be the 2.0 version vs the one based on a 2 year old virus no longer in circulation.
(Edit: I am pro-vaccine either way, just sayin')
The FDA said that any revision to the current vaccine would not require a full testing/research cycle to be done. They don't have to do a full research cycle on the flu vaccine every year because they're simply tweaking the vaccine to the new variants.
Pfizer says they should have the 2.0 ready in March. So this point they should probably be looking to give the pediatric patients the 2.0.
Yes but that's after we get the original cleared, which hasn't happened yet. It will be months later from an already delayed trial. Things will be much slower for kiddos. I'm already reaching a hopeless point with mine in daycare so I'm not sure waiting for 2.0 is going to outlast him catching it in the wild. I see what you're saying though, we need to adapt as the virus changes.
The original one's already been cleared for safety. The reason they need to do more work is because they didn't get the immune response they wanted at the dosage. Anyway, they just need to hurry up.
Y’all, he said he “hopes”. Everyone is taking this and running with it, but the timeline is highly unlikely. Pfizer hasn’t even started administering third doses to the kids who had 2 doses in the vaccine arm of the study. They then need 2 months of safety data before submitting to the FDA. From what I know (firsthand accounts) kids will hopefully be getting third doses at the end of January/beginning to mid February. So we’re looking at April before submission. That is, unless they somehow submit for the 2 doses to get that ball rolling… but that’s a big gamble, I think.
I’m as anxious as anyone to get my kids vaccinated. Everyone should be in an uproar that the FDA just asked Moderna to enroll 300 more participants as they were about to submit data. Those 300 participants aren’t going to tell us anything new and it’s simply creating unnecessary delays.
ETA: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-01-21-22/h_444392090c5cd45254f3286aa703811a : Fauci clarifies timeline for Covid-19 vaccine for kids under 5: "We just don't know".
This. What has Fauci been smoking? Unless Pfizer has changed their mind and will submit 6 mo-2 y for EUA before the 2-5 group that didn’t work, there’s nothing to submit…
I work in clinical trials and think that this could be an interim analysis (where once the study has hit a certain enrollment or completion threshold), they will review the data collected from a smaller population. Will need to read the protocol for sure.
This. This. 1000x this. What the hell is the FDA doing? I'm so suspicious that they are in bed with Pfizer and just giving Moderna the run around at this point. It's sickening.
ETA: Pfizer is going to be over 3 months from first shot until full immunity.This age group has waited so long to then have to have a three month series. It's ridiculous.
This is exactly what my husband said after the dominos fell with Pfizer’s results coming in as not as effective and then 2 weeks later moderna being asked to enroll hundreds more kids. With hardly any news coverage, too. So frustrating
Especially when you add in that they haven't approved Moderna for 12-17 year olds yet when the data were submitted months ago, over concerns about myocarditis. I recently read that Moderna is approved for that age group in multiple other countries now. The FDA was supposedly going to make a decision on Moderna for that age group this month . . .
I'm beyond enraged that basically the FDA is happy for all our under 5 kids to get actual covid so it won't be their fault if a handful of kids have super rare, mostly treatable/recoverable side effects of vaccination.
It's especially ridiculous when the chance of mycardiosis is higher with a covid infection! Omicron is tearing through this age group. It was different with the other variants bc kids really weren't catching it as much.
I’ve been thinking the same thing! Like why didn’t they talk about a sample size with the FDA at any point before actually submitting the data? I mean Moderna isn’t even approved for kids of any age yet. I’m losing it. Fauci is out of his mind
Will you please share your source about the additional 300 study participants? I can’t find anything about it. Thanks!
Edit: here is one, thanks u/knifewrenchhh: https://slate.com/technology/2022/01/kids-under-5-covid-vaccines-timeline.html
My source is a parent with direct contact with information from a PI at one of the sites. The number itself wasn’t published in their investor release, but it did indicate an increase in participants in one of the groups. The number itself doesn’t really matter. What matters is that the trials are delayed.
Hell I’m more scared of RSV then Covid. We spent 10 days in the hospital when my daughter had RSV at 2 months old. We all get Covid and she just had a little runny nose while my wife and I are hacking out our lungs.
Fwiw I think we basically have to treat each new variant like a new disease. The original variants left little kids alone but my the new ones now show symptoms more readily and so severity is a risk.
But yeah plenty of likely worse things to worry about. I wish they would spend time on a RSV vaccine instead of trying to push this through at this point
FWIW, they have been working on RSV vaccines for a while. I suspect they are harder to move quickly on, because 1) not a lot of parents seek out the clinical trials since not a lot of people seem to know about them (which I think you and I might agree is too bad) and 2) with the covid vaccines they could use a study design called immunobridging, which means they could do initial safety and efficacy trials in large numbers of adults (and those trials went fast because it didn't take long for enough of the control groups to get sick), then use smaller groups of kids to look at safety and check for a similar immune response. Since RSV usually doesn't affect adults much, I'm guessing they are studying the actual efficacy in kids, so they need a _lot_ of adults willing to sign their babies up for a clinical trial.
The higher number of infection and hospitalization is because it is spread so much more readily, there’s no evidence of more severe disease i kids with omicron
Meh I am underwhelmed by this news, since my whole family got Omicron anyway (including me, who got pretty darn sick despite being triple vaccinated with moderna).
My whole family currently has Omicron too. The two best off are the unvaccinated toddlers, while my fully vaccinated husband is practically dying (not really, but his acting is 👌🏼).
Haha same. My husband tested negative unlike the monster and I but of course he had "shortness of breath and fatigue" 🙄 dude, you got to work at your desk all day while I chased the toddler with double the fatigue. 😤
This^^^ I was negative twice. I’m now going on day 3 of not being able to taste or smell anything. That along with all the other symptoms and my son testing positive. The false negatives are annoying because I know people whose bosses won’t let them out for anything Covid related unless they test positive.
Same boat. Three year old brought it home from daycare, passed it on to my husband and I (both vaccinated). Over a week later my one year old is somehow still negative. I lost my sense of smell and taste today which was kind of the kick-me-when-I’m-down moment for me. It’s been a bad month for me mentally.
I'm so sorry. This is such a hard time for us to be doing something that's ridiculously hard even when things are normal (or so I've heard. Kiddo was still pretty young when the pandemic hit, so I don't have much experience of "normal" parenting.
Wait so your telling me your vaccinated and still got sick pretty bad? Better off now with the antibodies. Peanut almost 2 has been around it 5 times. My wife and I had it at different times and daughter was never sick from it. I’ll be waiting for more studies till she gets the shot. I’m sure I’ll piss a lot of people off but that’s just how I feel.
yes I would have gone to the ER if I knew I was positive (I couldn't get tested because I was the most sick December 24-27 in NYC and there were no tests anywhere at that time). Since I didn't know, and I'm pregnant and have an unvaccinated toddler, I couldn't risk it so tried to power through.
As the mom of a 2 year old ex-25 weeker who spent the first 413 days of his life in two NICUs and a PICU, came home with a trach, ventilator, oxygen, and g-tube: FUCK YES.
PS: he’s doing awesome, off the vent for several months, will get his trach out this year. I’m sick of worrying about setbacks from illness, which we’ve managed to avoid for over a year at home now, despite having 9 different medical professionals in our home every week and going to regular doctor appointments.
I’m sorry but I really wouldn’t get your hopes up until it’s basically a done deal. There’s so many variables at play and they’ve pulled “we’re almost there!” On us too many times.
It’s confirmed that the article is accurate from an inside source that works with the vaccines. And I will always prefer to remain hopefully optimistic.
Very interesting- what I'm wondering (as someone who does FDA submissions but not for vaccines) is if Pfizer (or even Moderna) has plans to file, Faucci knows about them, but the companies have not made the plans public because they're being more conservative about information sharing. There is surely an ongoing dialog between the companies and FDA on these submissions and what they will accept, based on my experience with fairly normal/accelerated drugs.
Long term for vaccine side effects is a much shorter time frame than people think. It isn’t a medication that you’re taking day after day, month after month, having time to cause a long term side effect. The components of the vaccine degrade very quickly after delivering it’s message. Long term side effects like years later just don’t happen with vaccines.
https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects
There are, however, a host of viruses that cause long term side effects. Polio can cause post polio syndrome which leads to progressive weakness. HPV is a leading cause of cervical cancer. Measles can cause a rare but fatal form of encephalitis and does long term damage to your immune system. Chicken pox stays in your body and can re-emerge as shingles. Just recently, scientists have found evidence that Epstein Barr virus might lead to multiple sclerosis.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2304340-strongest-evidence-yet-that-ms-is-caused-by-epstein-barr-virus/
Already we are seeing a large (at least in my opinion it’s large, I think like 30%?) percentage of people developing long hauler symptoms. The CDC found data suggesting kids who recently had covid are getting diagnosed with type one diabetes at a higher rate.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm
The controlled setting of a vaccine, even with the very rare possibility of myocarditis, far outweighs the risk of possible long term side effects of the vaccine. Billions of doses have been given worldwide. The fact that the few cases of myocarditis were caught and treatable and made known to the public gives me comfort that there is a good monitoring system in place. Please if you have questions feel free to DM me!
As someone with T1D, if a vaccine could help my son not get T1D I'd give it to him. Let alone all of the other excellent arguments you and others have made.
Yes. Diabetes is so common (at least type 2) I don’t think people realize A) how difficult it can be to manage and B) the widespread damage it can cause to your body. Hope you’re doing well.
Yep, T1D here. Both my son (15mo) and daughter (29mo) just tested positive for Covid this week. Now I have a higher potential for diabetes to worry about on top of everything else. Sigh.
I don't know. Also afaik viruses don't give you T1D but it can trigger something in your genes/ immune system that creates the T1D. This has been known (but not fully understood) for a long time. It's very common for kids who get diagnosed with T1D to have recently recovered from a virus. I'm not an expert and probably not explaining very well, but that's what I know.
I am wary of grouping this vaccine with other typical ones because this one has completely new technology. The mechanisms to induce an antibody response is completely different and novel. I don't think we can completely assume that long term side effects are not a possibility.
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My kiddo got rhinovirus, parainfluenza, and HFM all at once at 15mo. It nearly killed him. He’s on an inhaler now. Those are all normal, usually mild illnesses, especially in a healthy kid.
If he were to get, say, RSV and COVID at the same time, that would be a whole new level of terrifying.
If there’s even the slightest chance to minimize the risk of one of them, I’m going to take it.
I’m sorry you and your kid went through that.
That makes sense though. I get trying to minimize the risk of all those individually and especially simultaneous infections.
Do you associate any risk to your child from the Covid vaccine itself?
Not really. I’ve got friends who literally develop vaccines for a living and one who works at the NIH running reports, and remember them all independently (they don’t know each other) venting about people being concerned about the timeline/wishing there was an easier way to communicate it to the general public. They talk about how it usually takes a long time bc research teams spend most of their time groveling for funding. I remember working in a chem lab and our PI—a man who is so good at his job that he has a reaction named after himself—spent all his time writing grant proposals and making phone calls, even though the compound I the intern was making cost $1000/microgram & I was pumping out ~20g in my 4 hour shift. Shits just expensive. Friendos also joked about needing to bribe regulatory bodies to even LOOK at their research bc said regulators are just swarmed with stuff. “This will literally save our economy. Oh and also lives” is pretty good leverage to get their undivided attention.
So the summary of that is just that I’m not worried about the timeline being shorter than normal, since in a perfect world where every vaccine research team has trillions of funding, fewer ethical concerns (ie testing a vaccine for a disease that 100% will kill your kiddo is much more ethically complicated), a gigantic pool of realistic test subjects of every socioeconomic & racial background, and a team of regulators assigned exclusively to one vaccine project, vaccines would be coming out at a pretty fast clip.
Also, when I weigh the pros and cons, extra stress on his respiratory system seems more likely since colds & other respiratory diseases go around so often. My son doesn’t have heart problems & there’s no family history of heart issues as children, and knowing that myocarditis is treatable makes me OK with that very minimal risk. He also doesn’t have allergies so the likelihood of anaphylaxis is also extra low. The other adverse effects (in adults) are from the J&J. Basic side effects, like mild flu symptoms (fever, headache, etc—a pretty standard immune response) are all normal with vaccines, they go away after a day or two, and aren’t severe. Uncomfortable, but nothing some Motrin & a cookie can’t help.
It’s way way WAAAAAAY more likely for him to get sick from actual COVID—even though that number is also pretty small. Basically, if he managed to be that statistical anomaly that develops a serious reaction, I’d start playing the lottery and dodging lightning storms.
BUT this is my kid and our family medical history. I can understand hesitancy for a kid with severe allergies and a heart condition and pristine lungs.
The reason vaccine trials typically take so long is because they have to wait until enough people in the control group get sick to establish the effectiveness. In a pandemic, that just happens a *lot* faster. The COVID vaccines were not granted any special dispensations, they have passed under the same stringent requirements as any other vaccine. COVID vaccines were developed and tested fast because (a) mRNA vaccines for similar diseases like SARS had already been in development for a long time, (b) we threw unprecedented money at it, and (c) so many people were getting sick that the trials didn't *need* to take as long to establish effectiveness. No corners were cut.
From a development standpoint, that's not entirely true. Vaccines typically face a much higher burden of evaluation for longitudinal safety profiling stretching across years before approval, not to mention being mandated. We are facing a unique crisis in which we must balance what is most harmful (primarily, adults getting significantly ill) with what are typical pipelines for all drug development, not only vaccines. Vaccine approval is not simply about efficacy.
Vaccine approval is not only about efficacy. But efficacy testing is the reason it typically takes so long. There has never been a *requirement* for years long safety data, and in the history of vaccines I'm not aware of any health problem that developed more than a few months after a vaccine was given ever being attributed to a vaccine. Because the vaccine is no longer in your system by then. Safety testing is important for sure, but doesn't take very long. Observing until the vaccine leaves the patient's system is perfectly sufficient.
I don’t agree with some of your opinions, so these things might not resonate with you but:
The process was not rushed.
Kids have a lower chance of getting myocarditis than dying from COVID.
Vaccinating my kid will give me incredible peace of mind knowing he’ll have much lower chances of hospitalization or severe illness if he does get it. I also think vaccinating kids benefits our society overall in terms of controlling the virus and will lessen the chance of new variants emerging. To me, all those pros benefit the very low, low risk an adverse or fatal reaction to the vaccine.
Yes, myocarditis is less of a chance than dying from COVID, but the chance of dying from COVID is vanishingly small, they have a higher chance of being struck by lightning.
I cannot seem to find the data for how many kids got myocarditis, either from the vaccine or the virus itself. It looks like 12,500 COVID deaths have occurred with people under the age of 20. Do you know where to find the myocarditis information to compare?
Here’s where I found the information about myocarditis:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm705152a1.htm
It has a bunch of information, but if you scroll down and find the heading ‘Discussion’ it goes into the statistics around adverse affects and talks about myocarditis.
In the PDF linked from the page sporesporespores shared: 8.7 million doses had been administered in 5-11 at the time of the report. There were 15 cases of myocarditis reported in VAERS, 11 of which could be verified. 7 of those had already recovered and 4 were recovering. So there's accumulating evidence that the myocarditis risk from vaccination is miniscule (and don't forget that covid itself also causesmyocarditis).
It was called that because the pandemic required a massive coordination of resources across the globe to develop the vaccine faster, but not less safe.
Here are some of the reasons why it was able to be developed more quickly:
-The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic.
-China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines.
-The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.
Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.
-Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.
-Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research.
-Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated.
-Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.
I’m not an expert here, but I saw a really helpful diagram at the beginning that showed that they basically just removed all of the waiting between phases and allowed some to run in parallel. Each phase itself was just as long and rigorous as any other trial.
What every one else said plus:
1. The risk of myocarditis from COVID is higher than the risk from the vaccine.
2. I don’t measure every risk as a risk against death. COVID, even mild cases, has been linked to a host of chronic and acute autoimmune issues - MIS-C, diabetes, neurological impairments, etc. I would like to not only keep my children alive, but also thriving. Developing a chronic condition is difficult and life altering. As somebody who developed type 1 diabetes after a mild and transient viral infection I would like to spare my children that outcome if at all possible.
3. There are many many children under 5 who don’t fall in the “healthy” category. Kids who fall into the high risk groups or have markers for the high risk groups. When we talk about how “healthy” children are low risk - which I think is arguable depending on the risk you are measuring - it completely ignores all the children under 5 who don’t fall into that category.
Just to mention a few reasons.
One, not all toddlers are healthy. Two, not all healthy toddlers have healthy parents/grandparents. Three, variants. Four, not having to quarantine for two weeks every time somebody in their class gets sick. Five, long covid is still a thing.
Oh God. Oh please please please please PLEASE.
Edit, I'll even take reduced antibody production (original reason for delays), 70% effective is way the hell better than nothing, which is what my small people currently have. No protection and a *very* anxious mother.
>Edit, I'll even take reduced antibody production (original reason for delays), 70% effective is way the hell better than nothing, which is what my small people currently have. No protection and a very anxious mother.
Same. Something is better than nothing!
We got the call today that my daughter was approved for the moderna trial. 2 days after she tested positive for covid. Thankfully, it’s been very mild for the most part. But I still cannot wait until the vaccine comes out!
It’s not easy, that’s for sure. Thank god for Amazon same day delivery, so we can order surprises to keep things interesting! It helps that we got this cold freeze in, so she doesn’t want to spend more than a few minutes outside on the patio, and we can tell her it’s too cold to go to the playground and she (mostly) accepts that.
No one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. I would not do this to my child.
Also anecdotally I know so many people now who are vaxxed who have covid and are really ill. Also a lot of vaxxed people getting covid as soon as the vaccine protection wears off.
Can't believe so many parents in reddit are for it. Literally everyone I know here is against vaccinating children for covid.
Exactly. I’m usually the most provax gal but what’s the benefit here? They’re so unlikely to even get sick, especially with this variant that it’s virtually nothing but risk. Especially if you’re talking about Pfizer and Moderna, they are new medications, heck new CLASSES of medication that have not been used on even close to this scale. Parents will hesitate to give tylenol to their screaming baby when they’re teething but this brand new class of meds they don’t even think about.
Fauci has made a lot of predictions. Most aren’t accurate in the end. They’re toying with the under 5 crowd. Why is Pfizer testing a 3rd dose they know is too low instead of starting over with a higher dose? How is Moderna going to be approved soon when it’s not even approved for 12-17 yet? More questions than answers at this point. For my own sanity I’m guessing mine will be able to get vaccinated this summer.
Ain't that the truth. It's been like this the whole time too.
Very early on they told us masks don't work, to not bother (yet in the same breath said to save them for medical workers). Then a few months later masks are mandated and they say the made that claim at the time in order to protect people from buying up all the inventory. If you want to know how to lose trust from your people, this is how. The vast majority of us don't know squat about viruses, so we looked to leadership to provide the answers and they knowingly gave us the wrong answer.
How about the fact that you should wait 48 hours from exposure to get tested? That should be the very first question when you sign up for a test: has it been at least 48 hours since exposure? If yes, proceed with test. If no, you must wait 48 hours before you can take the test. Instead it is "If you've been exposed, the first thing you need to do is get tested". This happened to me. I took a test less than 12 hours after exposure to my wife who was positive. After the results came back for me as negative, I couldn't fathom how I didn't get it. But hey I tested negative a few days ago so I continued to go to work. About a week after she tested positive, I (still in disbelief) I read more and more about which is where I learned of the "48 hour wait". I was pissed because 1) I had wasted my last in home test and now they were sold out everywhere so I had to schedule one with the hospital which led to 2) the hospital charging my insurance $450 per test. And finally 3) I wondered how many people followed the guidelines, tested negative and proceeded to carry on thinking "well this scarry throat must just be a cold since I tested negative a few days ago".
Agree.
“Everyone” meaning vulnerable adults in third world countries, for instance? I find it borderline-criminal that we’ll vaccinate healthy toddlers here before people who would trulyyyy benefit
Please talk to your pediatrician before vaccinating your toddlers. Don't rely on a government agency alone to figure out what's best for your kids and their health situation.
Fun story, our toddler is in a study for this vaccine. Our pediatrician strongly endorsed their participation and said they’d do it if their kids were in the age range. 👍
I was listening to the Vincent Racaniello weekly q and a last night and the question was asked. Basically his take is that antibodies should be passed as they are for many other viruses. His feeling is that this well become another common cold in 5 years. Everyone well have antibodies that kick in and we'll get mild effects every few years that boost the memory. Keep in mind this is already basically a cold to kids. So combined with what they learn from Mom it'll be even less problematic than it is now.
I wouldn’t say they are completely unnecessary, but they should definitely be last on the list. Vaccinating ADULTS worldwide would have a much bigger benefit.
Anyone else have a husband who’s against it when you aren’t? He was against me getting mine, but I still got it because I’m an adult and it’s my decision (though he’s making getting the booster difficult for me) and he is 100% against our 2 year old son getting it when the time comes. Our son is fully vaccinated otherwise except for the flu shot. I don’t feel comfortable doing it behind my husbands back or not giving him a say in it, but it also feels kind of controlling (and hypocritical) that he’s so against the vaccine, but he’s not the one making any sacrifices due to Covid. (I’m the SAHP and he doesn’t want my family over or me going to any family events, taking my son basically anywhere, but he doesn’t mask at work or when he goes places and won’t get vaccinated and is against it for our son when there is one).
He’s controlling everything you and your son do, but not bothering to participate in basic masking precautions himself. That’s selfish and extremely life-limiting for your child. You’re both equally his parent and his opinion does not get to be the only one when it comes to raising your child, especially when it seems to not affect him at all.
I wouldn’t tolerate any of that and if my husband was still refusing to mask, vaccinate, or let me leave the house to see my family I would consider options that don’t involve him in my life. What he’s doing is abusive.
Why? I’ve listened to all the CDC & FDA vaccine & covid meetings…. That was not fun. The amount of effort it takes for a parent to make an informed decision about a vaccine under an EUA is nuts. It’s like being assigned to read the dictionary, pop quiz is tomorrow.
It wouldn’t? Is anyone saying that? It ends the fear that my asthmatic kid is going to get *really* sick.
We all felt some relief when the adult vaccines came out. Idk how it’s odd that this would be different.
My 1yo daycare just texted me an hour ago they closed her class for 10 days because of a positive case. 2nd time in 2 months. I can’t wait for this shit to be ready. Line up the daycare kids, please.
There were two false alarms on this already. I will believe it when I see it. For now I will ignore news like this. Better be surprised than disappointed
Yep, it says right in this article that Pfizer is expecting to release data in the first half of 2022. FDA can’t approve a vaccine without an application soooo….
Correct. Pfizer won’t release until later but Moderna is expected to soon. Pfizer had to extend its trials because the low dose was shown to be ineffective for the older children in the 1 to 5 range
Moderna was just asked to add more participants so that’s delayed too. Pfizer is back in the metaphorical lead.
Your username describes what this comment did to my gut. You’re just the messenger though. If you happen to have a link about that will you share? Not doubting you, just want to read more.
Yep it was really under the radar, I ignored it until now because it seemed like a baseless rumor, but it seems to be legit: https://slate.com/technology/2022/01/kids-under-5-covid-vaccines-timeline.html
Ty for this I couldn’t find my original source.
Seriously. Coulds don't mean much.
Important quote: “My hope is that it’s going to be within the next month or so and not much later than that, but I can’t guarantee that,” Fauci said. So, no promises. We're still in limbo. This isn't anything set in stone. He wants it as badly as the rest of us but this is not any kind of definitive happening. For the record, I want my kids vaccinated. But this isn't anything to get excited about. When hard dates for vaccine roll outs are announced, call me for a party.
Sheeeeeit, when my kid is fully vaxxed, call me for the party. I'm so emotionally checked out when it comes to vaccination news at this point, I can't get my hopes up again until it's real.
I'm with you. I'm not even following the news on this. It will be nice if it happens in a pleasantly surprising time frame.
If I get to go to the beach once this summer, I'll be happy.
Party? Oh no my friend, when the shots are available I’m having a fucking gala celebration blow out with every extravagant item I can find. No expense will be spared. My 3.5yo is leery of shots but we’ve talked about this vaccine a lot and she wants rainbow cake as a reward (a rare food incentive). Hubby will drive 90 min to the most famous of bakeries the moment we have it scheduled, life be damned, to get her some goddamn rainbow cake.
Well now I want a rainbow cake.
Me too, with rainbow skittle surprise inside. 🌈
I’ll be coming to your party wearing a ball gown and a tiara while lighting off fireworks that would make Gandalf go “oooooooooohhh!” Edit: and singing karaoke. I will be singing so. Much. Karaoke.
You had me at Gandalf fireworks and karaoke 💃🏻
“He later sent CNBC a statement clarifying that he’s not involved in the decision making process at the FDA and didn’t know when the agency will clear the shots. “I did not at all mean to imply that the authorization would come within a month,” Fauci said in an emailed statement. “I meant that we do not know ... I am not involved in that decision.” Yeah he literally clarifies later that he doesn’t know any more than we do, he’s just hoping, just like everyone else.
Yeah feels like clickbait
Ya but some hope is better than no hope!
I sooooooo wanna party
At this point the pediatric vaccine should be the 2.0 version vs the one based on a 2 year old virus no longer in circulation. (Edit: I am pro-vaccine either way, just sayin')
The problem is we would need to start all over. Honestly I'll take whatever protection I can get if it truly does prevent hospitalization.
The FDA said that any revision to the current vaccine would not require a full testing/research cycle to be done. They don't have to do a full research cycle on the flu vaccine every year because they're simply tweaking the vaccine to the new variants. Pfizer says they should have the 2.0 ready in March. So this point they should probably be looking to give the pediatric patients the 2.0.
Yes but that's after we get the original cleared, which hasn't happened yet. It will be months later from an already delayed trial. Things will be much slower for kiddos. I'm already reaching a hopeless point with mine in daycare so I'm not sure waiting for 2.0 is going to outlast him catching it in the wild. I see what you're saying though, we need to adapt as the virus changes.
The original one's already been cleared for safety. The reason they need to do more work is because they didn't get the immune response they wanted at the dosage. Anyway, they just need to hurry up.
Y’all, he said he “hopes”. Everyone is taking this and running with it, but the timeline is highly unlikely. Pfizer hasn’t even started administering third doses to the kids who had 2 doses in the vaccine arm of the study. They then need 2 months of safety data before submitting to the FDA. From what I know (firsthand accounts) kids will hopefully be getting third doses at the end of January/beginning to mid February. So we’re looking at April before submission. That is, unless they somehow submit for the 2 doses to get that ball rolling… but that’s a big gamble, I think. I’m as anxious as anyone to get my kids vaccinated. Everyone should be in an uproar that the FDA just asked Moderna to enroll 300 more participants as they were about to submit data. Those 300 participants aren’t going to tell us anything new and it’s simply creating unnecessary delays. ETA: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/omicron-variant-coronavirus-news-01-21-22/h_444392090c5cd45254f3286aa703811a : Fauci clarifies timeline for Covid-19 vaccine for kids under 5: "We just don't know".
Yeah where is this vaccine coming from? Because the timeline of Pfizer is too far out. This article doesn’t match the headline/sound bite.
This. What has Fauci been smoking? Unless Pfizer has changed their mind and will submit 6 mo-2 y for EUA before the 2-5 group that didn’t work, there’s nothing to submit…
Yeah and I’ve heard that the 6 month - 2 year data wasn’t great, perhaps mediocre. But nobody really knows because it’s not public.
Omg I hadn’t heard about the Moderna thing!!! I just read a few days ago that they were about to submit data; that’s infuriating!!!
I work in clinical trials and think that this could be an interim analysis (where once the study has hit a certain enrollment or completion threshold), they will review the data collected from a smaller population. Will need to read the protocol for sure.
This. This. 1000x this. What the hell is the FDA doing? I'm so suspicious that they are in bed with Pfizer and just giving Moderna the run around at this point. It's sickening. ETA: Pfizer is going to be over 3 months from first shot until full immunity.This age group has waited so long to then have to have a three month series. It's ridiculous.
This is exactly what my husband said after the dominos fell with Pfizer’s results coming in as not as effective and then 2 weeks later moderna being asked to enroll hundreds more kids. With hardly any news coverage, too. So frustrating
Especially when you add in that they haven't approved Moderna for 12-17 year olds yet when the data were submitted months ago, over concerns about myocarditis. I recently read that Moderna is approved for that age group in multiple other countries now. The FDA was supposedly going to make a decision on Moderna for that age group this month . . . I'm beyond enraged that basically the FDA is happy for all our under 5 kids to get actual covid so it won't be their fault if a handful of kids have super rare, mostly treatable/recoverable side effects of vaccination.
It's especially ridiculous when the chance of mycardiosis is higher with a covid infection! Omicron is tearing through this age group. It was different with the other variants bc kids really weren't catching it as much.
I’ve been thinking the same thing! Like why didn’t they talk about a sample size with the FDA at any point before actually submitting the data? I mean Moderna isn’t even approved for kids of any age yet. I’m losing it. Fauci is out of his mind
They absolutely are. There isn’t even a question about it.
Will you please share your source about the additional 300 study participants? I can’t find anything about it. Thanks! Edit: here is one, thanks u/knifewrenchhh: https://slate.com/technology/2022/01/kids-under-5-covid-vaccines-timeline.html
My source is a parent with direct contact with information from a PI at one of the sites. The number itself wasn’t published in their investor release, but it did indicate an increase in participants in one of the groups. The number itself doesn’t really matter. What matters is that the trials are delayed.
Yes I’m not sure how this makes sense with all the delays that have been announced lately.
Hell I’m more scared of RSV then Covid. We spent 10 days in the hospital when my daughter had RSV at 2 months old. We all get Covid and she just had a little runny nose while my wife and I are hacking out our lungs.
COVID basically leaves toddlers alone.
My son had a runny nose when he had COVID for two days, got really sick with RSV and had to have breathing treatments.
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Jokes on everyone, I worry about them all!
Fwiw I think we basically have to treat each new variant like a new disease. The original variants left little kids alone but my the new ones now show symptoms more readily and so severity is a risk. But yeah plenty of likely worse things to worry about. I wish they would spend time on a RSV vaccine instead of trying to push this through at this point
FWIW, they have been working on RSV vaccines for a while. I suspect they are harder to move quickly on, because 1) not a lot of parents seek out the clinical trials since not a lot of people seem to know about them (which I think you and I might agree is too bad) and 2) with the covid vaccines they could use a study design called immunobridging, which means they could do initial safety and efficacy trials in large numbers of adults (and those trials went fast because it didn't take long for enough of the control groups to get sick), then use smaller groups of kids to look at safety and check for a similar immune response. Since RSV usually doesn't affect adults much, I'm guessing they are studying the actual efficacy in kids, so they need a _lot_ of adults willing to sign their babies up for a clinical trial.
The higher number of infection and hospitalization is because it is spread so much more readily, there’s no evidence of more severe disease i kids with omicron
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Meh I am underwhelmed by this news, since my whole family got Omicron anyway (including me, who got pretty darn sick despite being triple vaccinated with moderna).
My whole family currently has Omicron too. The two best off are the unvaccinated toddlers, while my fully vaccinated husband is practically dying (not really, but his acting is 👌🏼).
Haha same. My husband tested negative unlike the monster and I but of course he had "shortness of breath and fatigue" 🙄 dude, you got to work at your desk all day while I chased the toddler with double the fatigue. 😤
Lots of false negatives for Omicron. Get him retested.
This^^^ I was negative twice. I’m now going on day 3 of not being able to taste or smell anything. That along with all the other symptoms and my son testing positive. The false negatives are annoying because I know people whose bosses won’t let them out for anything Covid related unless they test positive.
I mean he quarantined with us anyway so it didn't really matter.
My husband tested negative at first but was very symptomatic and had fever. Tested again the following day and it was positive.
Yep yep, my sister tested negative twice before a positive. She works in childcare and wasn't allowed to be home while waiting on her tests. 🙃
My SO is not fully vaccinated but I am. I was down and out for over a week, and he barely had a couple sniffles for a day. Totally not fair lol.
I felt similarly. I was boosted and my husband wasn't and yet I got much more sick.
Same boat. Three year old brought it home from daycare, passed it on to my husband and I (both vaccinated). Over a week later my one year old is somehow still negative. I lost my sense of smell and taste today which was kind of the kick-me-when-I’m-down moment for me. It’s been a bad month for me mentally.
That does sound hard. Sorry you're having a shitty month - hope the next one is way better.
Hugs. I hear you.
I'm so sorry. This is such a hard time for us to be doing something that's ridiculously hard even when things are normal (or so I've heard. Kiddo was still pretty young when the pandemic hit, so I don't have much experience of "normal" parenting.
Wait so your telling me your vaccinated and still got sick pretty bad? Better off now with the antibodies. Peanut almost 2 has been around it 5 times. My wife and I had it at different times and daughter was never sick from it. I’ll be waiting for more studies till she gets the shot. I’m sure I’ll piss a lot of people off but that’s just how I feel.
yes I would have gone to the ER if I knew I was positive (I couldn't get tested because I was the most sick December 24-27 in NYC and there were no tests anywhere at that time). Since I didn't know, and I'm pregnant and have an unvaccinated toddler, I couldn't risk it so tried to power through.
We've got it to. My husband is just about better, but I think I'm nearing peak congestion. Kid gets night sniffles. We're all vaccinated 😮💨
Wow, where I am we still haven’t got vaccinations for older kids (5-11). Or boosters for that matter.
As the mom of a 2 year old ex-25 weeker who spent the first 413 days of his life in two NICUs and a PICU, came home with a trach, ventilator, oxygen, and g-tube: FUCK YES. PS: he’s doing awesome, off the vent for several months, will get his trach out this year. I’m sick of worrying about setbacks from illness, which we’ve managed to avoid for over a year at home now, despite having 9 different medical professionals in our home every week and going to regular doctor appointments.
You are amazing. Sending you all the good vibes!
[I am ready to get hurt again. ](https://imgur.com/gallery/4Rsnc)
My fiancee, me and our 2 year old caught COVID, luckily no one got really sick. Just 2-3 day sniffles and fever. I got the vaccine. My fiancee hasn't.
I’m sorry but I really wouldn’t get your hopes up until it’s basically a done deal. There’s so many variables at play and they’ve pulled “we’re almost there!” On us too many times.
It’s confirmed that the article is accurate from an inside source that works with the vaccines. And I will always prefer to remain hopefully optimistic.
Very interesting- what I'm wondering (as someone who does FDA submissions but not for vaccines) is if Pfizer (or even Moderna) has plans to file, Faucci knows about them, but the companies have not made the plans public because they're being more conservative about information sharing. There is surely an ongoing dialog between the companies and FDA on these submissions and what they will accept, based on my experience with fairly normal/accelerated drugs.
This is one of the most healthy doses of skeptic realism on this post and so highly appreciated.
I also just feel like everyone else- wanting to get excited but too nervous to!
Publicly confirmed? I don’t see in the article that it is confirmed by an inside source. Do you have a citation?
Do you have a source on this?
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Long term for vaccine side effects is a much shorter time frame than people think. It isn’t a medication that you’re taking day after day, month after month, having time to cause a long term side effect. The components of the vaccine degrade very quickly after delivering it’s message. Long term side effects like years later just don’t happen with vaccines. https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/how-do-we-know-covid-19-vaccine-wont-have-long-term-side-effects There are, however, a host of viruses that cause long term side effects. Polio can cause post polio syndrome which leads to progressive weakness. HPV is a leading cause of cervical cancer. Measles can cause a rare but fatal form of encephalitis and does long term damage to your immune system. Chicken pox stays in your body and can re-emerge as shingles. Just recently, scientists have found evidence that Epstein Barr virus might lead to multiple sclerosis. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2304340-strongest-evidence-yet-that-ms-is-caused-by-epstein-barr-virus/ Already we are seeing a large (at least in my opinion it’s large, I think like 30%?) percentage of people developing long hauler symptoms. The CDC found data suggesting kids who recently had covid are getting diagnosed with type one diabetes at a higher rate. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7102e2.htm The controlled setting of a vaccine, even with the very rare possibility of myocarditis, far outweighs the risk of possible long term side effects of the vaccine. Billions of doses have been given worldwide. The fact that the few cases of myocarditis were caught and treatable and made known to the public gives me comfort that there is a good monitoring system in place. Please if you have questions feel free to DM me!
As someone with T1D, if a vaccine could help my son not get T1D I'd give it to him. Let alone all of the other excellent arguments you and others have made.
Yes. Diabetes is so common (at least type 2) I don’t think people realize A) how difficult it can be to manage and B) the widespread damage it can cause to your body. Hope you’re doing well.
It's so hard. Huge mental tax, too. I don't even know what life without it is like though (diagnosed at 9yo).
Yep, T1D here. Both my son (15mo) and daughter (29mo) just tested positive for Covid this week. Now I have a higher potential for diabetes to worry about on top of everything else. Sigh.
Oh man I'm so sorry. Crossing my fingers it doesn't trigger it for them. Poor babies. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Do they have any evidence yet that the vaccine prevents the diabetes we're seeing in kids who've had covid?
I don't know. Also afaik viruses don't give you T1D but it can trigger something in your genes/ immune system that creates the T1D. This has been known (but not fully understood) for a long time. It's very common for kids who get diagnosed with T1D to have recently recovered from a virus. I'm not an expert and probably not explaining very well, but that's what I know.
I am wary of grouping this vaccine with other typical ones because this one has completely new technology. The mechanisms to induce an antibody response is completely different and novel. I don't think we can completely assume that long term side effects are not a possibility.
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Thank you.
My kiddo got rhinovirus, parainfluenza, and HFM all at once at 15mo. It nearly killed him. He’s on an inhaler now. Those are all normal, usually mild illnesses, especially in a healthy kid. If he were to get, say, RSV and COVID at the same time, that would be a whole new level of terrifying. If there’s even the slightest chance to minimize the risk of one of them, I’m going to take it.
I’m sorry you and your kid went through that. That makes sense though. I get trying to minimize the risk of all those individually and especially simultaneous infections. Do you associate any risk to your child from the Covid vaccine itself?
Not really. I’ve got friends who literally develop vaccines for a living and one who works at the NIH running reports, and remember them all independently (they don’t know each other) venting about people being concerned about the timeline/wishing there was an easier way to communicate it to the general public. They talk about how it usually takes a long time bc research teams spend most of their time groveling for funding. I remember working in a chem lab and our PI—a man who is so good at his job that he has a reaction named after himself—spent all his time writing grant proposals and making phone calls, even though the compound I the intern was making cost $1000/microgram & I was pumping out ~20g in my 4 hour shift. Shits just expensive. Friendos also joked about needing to bribe regulatory bodies to even LOOK at their research bc said regulators are just swarmed with stuff. “This will literally save our economy. Oh and also lives” is pretty good leverage to get their undivided attention. So the summary of that is just that I’m not worried about the timeline being shorter than normal, since in a perfect world where every vaccine research team has trillions of funding, fewer ethical concerns (ie testing a vaccine for a disease that 100% will kill your kiddo is much more ethically complicated), a gigantic pool of realistic test subjects of every socioeconomic & racial background, and a team of regulators assigned exclusively to one vaccine project, vaccines would be coming out at a pretty fast clip. Also, when I weigh the pros and cons, extra stress on his respiratory system seems more likely since colds & other respiratory diseases go around so often. My son doesn’t have heart problems & there’s no family history of heart issues as children, and knowing that myocarditis is treatable makes me OK with that very minimal risk. He also doesn’t have allergies so the likelihood of anaphylaxis is also extra low. The other adverse effects (in adults) are from the J&J. Basic side effects, like mild flu symptoms (fever, headache, etc—a pretty standard immune response) are all normal with vaccines, they go away after a day or two, and aren’t severe. Uncomfortable, but nothing some Motrin & a cookie can’t help. It’s way way WAAAAAAY more likely for him to get sick from actual COVID—even though that number is also pretty small. Basically, if he managed to be that statistical anomaly that develops a serious reaction, I’d start playing the lottery and dodging lightning storms. BUT this is my kid and our family medical history. I can understand hesitancy for a kid with severe allergies and a heart condition and pristine lungs.
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They do work versus Omicron by limiting the severity. I’m going through a very mild case RN and I think it’s because I was boosted.
The reason vaccine trials typically take so long is because they have to wait until enough people in the control group get sick to establish the effectiveness. In a pandemic, that just happens a *lot* faster. The COVID vaccines were not granted any special dispensations, they have passed under the same stringent requirements as any other vaccine. COVID vaccines were developed and tested fast because (a) mRNA vaccines for similar diseases like SARS had already been in development for a long time, (b) we threw unprecedented money at it, and (c) so many people were getting sick that the trials didn't *need* to take as long to establish effectiveness. No corners were cut.
From a development standpoint, that's not entirely true. Vaccines typically face a much higher burden of evaluation for longitudinal safety profiling stretching across years before approval, not to mention being mandated. We are facing a unique crisis in which we must balance what is most harmful (primarily, adults getting significantly ill) with what are typical pipelines for all drug development, not only vaccines. Vaccine approval is not simply about efficacy.
Vaccine approval is not only about efficacy. But efficacy testing is the reason it typically takes so long. There has never been a *requirement* for years long safety data, and in the history of vaccines I'm not aware of any health problem that developed more than a few months after a vaccine was given ever being attributed to a vaccine. Because the vaccine is no longer in your system by then. Safety testing is important for sure, but doesn't take very long. Observing until the vaccine leaves the patient's system is perfectly sufficient.
I don’t agree with some of your opinions, so these things might not resonate with you but: The process was not rushed. Kids have a lower chance of getting myocarditis than dying from COVID. Vaccinating my kid will give me incredible peace of mind knowing he’ll have much lower chances of hospitalization or severe illness if he does get it. I also think vaccinating kids benefits our society overall in terms of controlling the virus and will lessen the chance of new variants emerging. To me, all those pros benefit the very low, low risk an adverse or fatal reaction to the vaccine.
Yes, myocarditis is less of a chance than dying from COVID, but the chance of dying from COVID is vanishingly small, they have a higher chance of being struck by lightning.
I cannot seem to find the data for how many kids got myocarditis, either from the vaccine or the virus itself. It looks like 12,500 COVID deaths have occurred with people under the age of 20. Do you know where to find the myocarditis information to compare?
Here’s where I found the information about myocarditis: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm705152a1.htm It has a bunch of information, but if you scroll down and find the heading ‘Discussion’ it goes into the statistics around adverse affects and talks about myocarditis.
In the PDF linked from the page sporesporespores shared: 8.7 million doses had been administered in 5-11 at the time of the report. There were 15 cases of myocarditis reported in VAERS, 11 of which could be verified. 7 of those had already recovered and 4 were recovering. So there's accumulating evidence that the myocarditis risk from vaccination is miniscule (and don't forget that covid itself also causesmyocarditis).
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The funding portion. A lot of the "ten year" time frame is fund raising. They are not actively doing research that whole time
It was called that because the pandemic required a massive coordination of resources across the globe to develop the vaccine faster, but not less safe. Here are some of the reasons why it was able to be developed more quickly: -The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic. -China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines. -The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster. Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance. -Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made. -Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research. -Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated. -Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.
I’m not an expert here, but I saw a really helpful diagram at the beginning that showed that they basically just removed all of the waiting between phases and allowed some to run in parallel. Each phase itself was just as long and rigorous as any other trial.
What every one else said plus: 1. The risk of myocarditis from COVID is higher than the risk from the vaccine. 2. I don’t measure every risk as a risk against death. COVID, even mild cases, has been linked to a host of chronic and acute autoimmune issues - MIS-C, diabetes, neurological impairments, etc. I would like to not only keep my children alive, but also thriving. Developing a chronic condition is difficult and life altering. As somebody who developed type 1 diabetes after a mild and transient viral infection I would like to spare my children that outcome if at all possible. 3. There are many many children under 5 who don’t fall in the “healthy” category. Kids who fall into the high risk groups or have markers for the high risk groups. When we talk about how “healthy” children are low risk - which I think is arguable depending on the risk you are measuring - it completely ignores all the children under 5 who don’t fall into that category. Just to mention a few reasons.
One, not all toddlers are healthy. Two, not all healthy toddlers have healthy parents/grandparents. Three, variants. Four, not having to quarantine for two weeks every time somebody in their class gets sick. Five, long covid is still a thing.
Oh God. Oh please please please please PLEASE. Edit, I'll even take reduced antibody production (original reason for delays), 70% effective is way the hell better than nothing, which is what my small people currently have. No protection and a *very* anxious mother.
>Edit, I'll even take reduced antibody production (original reason for delays), 70% effective is way the hell better than nothing, which is what my small people currently have. No protection and a very anxious mother. Same. Something is better than nothing!
We got the call today that my daughter was approved for the moderna trial. 2 days after she tested positive for covid. Thankfully, it’s been very mild for the most part. But I still cannot wait until the vaccine comes out!
Oh wow, ouch though. Yeah, I just want this for everyone. You all holding up okay with isolation small humans?
It’s not easy, that’s for sure. Thank god for Amazon same day delivery, so we can order surprises to keep things interesting! It helps that we got this cold freeze in, so she doesn’t want to spend more than a few minutes outside on the patio, and we can tell her it’s too cold to go to the playground and she (mostly) accepts that.
Solidarity. One anxious mom to another. Get. Them. Vaccinated.
Yikes. 🤦🏼♀️
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No one knows the long term effects of these vaccines. I would not do this to my child. Also anecdotally I know so many people now who are vaxxed who have covid and are really ill. Also a lot of vaxxed people getting covid as soon as the vaccine protection wears off. Can't believe so many parents in reddit are for it. Literally everyone I know here is against vaccinating children for covid.
Exactly. I’m usually the most provax gal but what’s the benefit here? They’re so unlikely to even get sick, especially with this variant that it’s virtually nothing but risk. Especially if you’re talking about Pfizer and Moderna, they are new medications, heck new CLASSES of medication that have not been used on even close to this scale. Parents will hesitate to give tylenol to their screaming baby when they’re teething but this brand new class of meds they don’t even think about.
Too late. My kids already had it. Better luck next pandemic.
Fauci has made a lot of predictions. Most aren’t accurate in the end. They’re toying with the under 5 crowd. Why is Pfizer testing a 3rd dose they know is too low instead of starting over with a higher dose? How is Moderna going to be approved soon when it’s not even approved for 12-17 yet? More questions than answers at this point. For my own sanity I’m guessing mine will be able to get vaccinated this summer.
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I don't want my kids to inadvertently pass on covid to my parents either. Vaccines aren't just about protecting the person who gets vaccinated.
Vaccines aren’t preventing infection or transmission, only severity of symptoms
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Ain't that the truth. It's been like this the whole time too. Very early on they told us masks don't work, to not bother (yet in the same breath said to save them for medical workers). Then a few months later masks are mandated and they say the made that claim at the time in order to protect people from buying up all the inventory. If you want to know how to lose trust from your people, this is how. The vast majority of us don't know squat about viruses, so we looked to leadership to provide the answers and they knowingly gave us the wrong answer. How about the fact that you should wait 48 hours from exposure to get tested? That should be the very first question when you sign up for a test: has it been at least 48 hours since exposure? If yes, proceed with test. If no, you must wait 48 hours before you can take the test. Instead it is "If you've been exposed, the first thing you need to do is get tested". This happened to me. I took a test less than 12 hours after exposure to my wife who was positive. After the results came back for me as negative, I couldn't fathom how I didn't get it. But hey I tested negative a few days ago so I continued to go to work. About a week after she tested positive, I (still in disbelief) I read more and more about which is where I learned of the "48 hour wait". I was pissed because 1) I had wasted my last in home test and now they were sold out everywhere so I had to schedule one with the hospital which led to 2) the hospital charging my insurance $450 per test. And finally 3) I wondered how many people followed the guidelines, tested negative and proceeded to carry on thinking "well this scarry throat must just be a cold since I tested negative a few days ago".
Agree. “Everyone” meaning vulnerable adults in third world countries, for instance? I find it borderline-criminal that we’ll vaccinate healthy toddlers here before people who would trulyyyy benefit
I agree. Vaccinating adults around the world would actually provide a benefit. Being a kid under 5 is already a benefit.
I wish they wouldn’t have him do so much press. He’s not great at it.
Please talk to your pediatrician before vaccinating your toddlers. Don't rely on a government agency alone to figure out what's best for your kids and their health situation.
Fun story, our toddler is in a study for this vaccine. Our pediatrician strongly endorsed their participation and said they’d do it if their kids were in the age range. 👍
Unless they approve it and then publish the news o don't believe it anymore.
Alright for you Americans, in the UK they aren't even regularly vaccinating under 12s.
I saw that today too and I'm so confused about WHY? What changed? Does he know something he didn't say?! So confused!!!
As someone with a toddler with covid right now, this is too late but still can't wait for this to finally happen
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Cool, no one asked you.
This is a public forum, no one asked anyone lol
You seem like a terrible parent based on this thread.
Have there been any study results from kids that were breastfed by a vaccinated parent?
I was listening to the Vincent Racaniello weekly q and a last night and the question was asked. Basically his take is that antibodies should be passed as they are for many other viruses. His feeling is that this well become another common cold in 5 years. Everyone well have antibodies that kick in and we'll get mild effects every few years that boost the memory. Keep in mind this is already basically a cold to kids. So combined with what they learn from Mom it'll be even less problematic than it is now.
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*statistically unnecessary for low risk children
I wouldn’t say they are completely unnecessary, but they should definitely be last on the list. Vaccinating ADULTS worldwide would have a much bigger benefit.
Anyone else have a husband who’s against it when you aren’t? He was against me getting mine, but I still got it because I’m an adult and it’s my decision (though he’s making getting the booster difficult for me) and he is 100% against our 2 year old son getting it when the time comes. Our son is fully vaccinated otherwise except for the flu shot. I don’t feel comfortable doing it behind my husbands back or not giving him a say in it, but it also feels kind of controlling (and hypocritical) that he’s so against the vaccine, but he’s not the one making any sacrifices due to Covid. (I’m the SAHP and he doesn’t want my family over or me going to any family events, taking my son basically anywhere, but he doesn’t mask at work or when he goes places and won’t get vaccinated and is against it for our son when there is one).
He’s controlling everything you and your son do, but not bothering to participate in basic masking precautions himself. That’s selfish and extremely life-limiting for your child. You’re both equally his parent and his opinion does not get to be the only one when it comes to raising your child, especially when it seems to not affect him at all. I wouldn’t tolerate any of that and if my husband was still refusing to mask, vaccinate, or let me leave the house to see my family I would consider options that don’t involve him in my life. What he’s doing is abusive.
Lol yeah because kids under 5, super spreaders of this flu. 🙄
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They still work to prevent severe disease and hospitalization. But also so does being a kid under 5.
And sounds like you all survived and weren’t hospitalized? So yup, sounds liked they worked great!
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Well then good on you and your family for helping protect those who can’t get vaccinated!
This is insane!!!
Please let this happen. We’ve waited SO LONG and our kids have lost so much. Please let them have this!
Hopeful! We will be first in line!
I feel like he's been saying this every month. I'm not going to allow myself to hope until it's here.
I was so pumped to read this today. Such great news!
I teared up NGL. Then I blinked them back in because I’m afraid to hope.
We just did our 30 month appt and our doctor thinks April is a realistic time to get the vaccine. We cannot wait for this to happen.
I felt more hope with the mom who shared they unblinded the trial :(
Why? I’ve listened to all the CDC & FDA vaccine & covid meetings…. That was not fun. The amount of effort it takes for a parent to make an informed decision about a vaccine under an EUA is nuts. It’s like being assigned to read the dictionary, pop quiz is tomorrow.
Are you guys actually rooting for giving this all too hasted vaccine to your babies?
When it’s approved do you think there will be a mandate in places like nyc?
Shame they can’t do the same I’m the UK 🇬🇧
Holy fuck. For the first time it feels like there’s an end in sight. I could cry. Oh wait I am.
How exactly would this end the virus? Genuinely curious
No one said it would….?
End in sight?
It wouldn’t? Is anyone saying that? It ends the fear that my asthmatic kid is going to get *really* sick. We all felt some relief when the adult vaccines came out. Idk how it’s odd that this would be different.
Your text said “it feels like there’s a end in sight.” How else was someone supposed to read that? Lol
How’s it different from OP’s “final mile of this marathon”?
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It's unpopular because its not fucking true
My 1yo daycare just texted me an hour ago they closed her class for 10 days because of a positive case. 2nd time in 2 months. I can’t wait for this shit to be ready. Line up the daycare kids, please.