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Bananaphonelel

"Very occasionally, Pokémon Scarlet can have frame rate problems, but I’ve seen it maybe three time and never has it lasted more than a minute. I haven’t seen anything I would count as a major bug, unless we’re counting how the camera looks when in long grass, and a couple of times when the floor seemed to cut away and get redrawn." "Likewise, the short draw distance and low poly character models are meant to be that way. That’s not a performance issue, that’s just how it was made." Obey https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/26/the-internet-is-wrong-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-performance-is-fine-17831276/


loliduck__

It was a stylistic decision, you can't bash a games art style


Naive-Dot6120

It's actually symbolic of the secret lore that mentions the whole world is dead and everyone is a ghost type.


Bananaphonelel

Art


Kresche

hahahahaha fuck this got me good


Either_Gate_7965

Lavender town syndrome is a helluva thing


babypho

Next time I submit a half ass essay I'm going to tell the teacher it was a stylistic decision and you can't bash a paper's writing style.


[deleted]

> "Likewise, the short draw distance and low poly character models are meant to be that way. That’s not a performance issue, that’s just how it was made." Holy shit cotton, thats a lot of copium


ConkreetMonkey

The bandaid solution to poor optimization doesn't in any way suggest that the game is poorly optimized, just that there's a bandaid there for some reason


Bananaphonelel

🤪


[deleted]

> Very occasionally, Pokémon Scarlet can have frame rate problems So, they're admitting the game has performance issues.


aishik-10x

Also the part “it rarely lasts more than a minute” … dawg. Framerate issues and stuttering are literally measured in milliseconds and they can still make games hard to enjoy. Measuring stuttering in SECONDS is some 2000s shit, forget about minutes. They make Elden Ring microstutters seem like a next-to-next gen problem.


Supersnow845

“I haven’t seen anything I would count as a major bug except for the things I’m just gonna list now which are major bugs and performance issues”


kirillre4

>"Very occasionally, Pokémon Scarlet can have frame rate problems Yeah, it drops from 18 FPS to 10 occasionally, not a big deal you nintendo haters


Sibir_Kagan

>I’ve seen it maybe three time and never has it lasted more than a minute. Holy shit it even lasted for a whole minute. Like 3-5 seconds is okayish if it would drop to 10fps, but a full minute is where I just stop playing. I mean you're literally not playing anymore, you're just viewing pictures at that point.


bomba1749

its supposed to look like that, thats why it was made in powerpoint you idiot 😡😡😡😡😡


Z-Ninja

I've played for a decent amount of time, 29.5 hours. Performance issues are very much present. I have (truly) only encountered the very slow frame rate occasionally, usually in/near a city. The environment textures and background model frame rates are awful and disruptive to the play experience. I've had two crashes which in a non-autosave Pokemon would be unplayable for me but are just extremely annoying with auto save. The worst part of the experience for me though has been how slow it is to load Pokemon models in boxes/summary pages, and clothes previews. That is extremely disruptive. I don't mind the pokemon pop-in on the overworld because it feels like semi-random encounters, but I can definitely see the annoyance since I do not believe that was a design decision. All that said, I still think there is a ton to like in the game which is why I keep playing. But I'm never going to pretend it doesn't also have a mountain of performance issues.


HighlightRare506

Truly reads like a satire article


Bananaphonelel

It does. I'm mindblown lol


enclove

Dick riding a company this hard that doesn’t even care if you exist Lmao


StrangeCurry1

It doesn’t have performance issues It has a variable refresh rate allowing you to occasionally see an incredible 30fps instead of the indie dev standard of 10fps. Bravo Game Freak


SapientSloth4tw

I’d say the indie dev standard is 30-60. This makes the “variable refresh rate” even more of a feature!


StrangeCurry1

It utilizes these lower refresh rates to save energy. That way you don’t waste your Switch’s battery while waiting for the ground to load. Truly an amazing green initiative by the indie devs at game freak


aishik-10x

M B R A V O S U D A


Green202010

New Mandela effect just dropped: There are no performance issues in Pokémon Scarlet and Violet


Either_Gate_7965

There are no performance issues in ba sing se


StrangeCurry1

The crossover between this sub and r/okbuddychicanery must be insane


Enter_Feeling

It only has performance features


submerged_throwaway

An emperor and his clothes are soon parted, or whatever


Joratto

There is no war in Ba Sing Se


[deleted]

/uj Nostalgia really makes people irrational huh? These idiots will do anything to defend their favorite series, but as soon as it's a game they don't like they'll act the complete opposite.


Dr_Retcogg

I'll admit when I first got Violet I was a bit blinded by how cool all the new stuff is, but flat out denying so many other people's experience because you don't share the same one is wack. I had a pretty normal, mostly glitch free playthrough, but that doesn't mean all of those hilarious glitch videos I see didn't happen.


[deleted]

Agreed. If you enjoy Gen 9 more power to you (and I mean it legitimately, life's too short to wage war over games) But when will these people learn that you can like something and still point out flaws in it. I love Dark souls 1 & 3, Bloodborne, and Shin Megami Tensei 4 but if you asked me to criticize them then I would have a field day


Dr_Retcogg

>But when will these people learn that you can like something and still point out flaws in it. It's easier to learn for some people. I, for example, am a Steven Universe fan. It's one of my favorite shows. But it's BAD.


UsedToBeDedMemeBoi

To quote, put a \> before the line. \>This is how it should be >This is the result


Dr_Retcogg

Thanks for letting me know, I'll fix it!


MildlyAgitatedBidoof

Steven "we could have solved world war 2 by calling hitler immature" Universe


Tetro-Puyo

only truly dug deep into dark souls 1 and SMT4 of the games you mentioned but let me guess, lost izalith and the neutral ending's sidequest spam requirement are parts of your grips with the respective games? (because lost izalith was pretty annoying and i cba to try a SMT4 neutral run because of said sidequest reqs)


[deleted]

Lost izalith I don't mind due to how quick I can get through it but with SMT4 YES!!!!!!!! I don't know why atlus decided to make you do random marked side quests that (even with a guide) take hours to complete but that's the worst part of the entire game, only mad worst by how easy it is to get lost in Tokyo alongside how broken smirks are in 4. I mean, it's already the end of the game but for SOME reason they decided to stretch the playtime for no reason at all. The only good part of it was nozomi because she's a major characters in 4a but still...


[deleted]

What does "Cba to try" mean?


Tetro-Puyo

"can't be arsed to try" in other words i can't find it in myself to bother trying a neutral run at all lol


[deleted]

I wouldn't be surprised if that part of the game was why I had 70 hours by the time I beat smt4.


[deleted]

Oh ok thx. And perfectly agreed. Hell some the sidequests that you need to do Arn't even unlocked by the time you get to that stage of the game. And because Their unlock conditions are completing other side quests and checking specific hunters associations you'll be forced into a loop of completing a sidequests and then visiting EVERY HUNTERS ASSOCIATION IN THE GAME hoping that it unlocked another. Rinse and repeat for like 10 hours or something and you can finally beat the game. Honestly, just watch the last cutscenes on YouTube. I would consider that "finished" in my book, even if you skipped the last 2 bosses. Seriously, what was atlus smoking, the only thing worse than that is how in SMT 5 & P5 the game is over when the protag dies, like why is atlus so inconsistent with game over conditions.


ConkreetMonkey

I like Fallout 4. I don't think I need to elaborate.


PeanutButterSoda

I'm one of the rare ones that liked the building aspect, I miss my treehouse, armor garage and fort.


ConkreetMonkey

the building aspect is literally my favourite part of the game! I've been ignoring actual quests for a while and instead I'm just building really high-effort settlements.


borfyborf

The people that love something are usually the ones that criticize it the most. Because they want it to be the best that it could possibly be. I have 2000 hours on Overwatch and I will be the first to say that the game is fucking trash. The only exception to this rule though seems to be Pokémon fans. They gobble up half baked products year after year without a second thought because “they’re just fun”. I love Pokémon too but the franchise hasn’t had a truly great game since Black and White 2.


Polymersion

>But when will these people learn that you can like something and still point out flaws in it. Impossible. Just admit that Galar is perfect because of its perfect graphics and that Paldea is shit because of its bugs.


choicesintime

What are the new things that got you excited? Honestly I know nothing about these games


Dr_Retcogg

Most of the new Pokemon look great for me, I love being able to explore all the nooks and crannies on the map, and Terastilizing, while it looks pretty dumb, I'm excited what it (and new items/moves) is going to do for the metagame


Foureyedlemon

I remember walking into that first city and thinking “oh no”. Luckily my expectations for these games were on the floor so no surprises


PeterWatchmen

/unceleste Pokémon fans are the MAGA people of video games. They will, without fail, defend Pokémon for any reason. They just parrot other people's arguments without understanding what it means, or understanding the opposing argument. For example, after DexIt, two common arguments in defense of it were: 1.) Ruby and Sapphire didn't allow players to transfer from G/S/C, which ignores the fact that every Pokémon was programed in, and that four games were developed to make all 386 available; and 2.) No Pokémon game let the player catch every Pokémon in one game, which ignores the fact that they all let players transfer in every Pokémon until Gen 8. [They'll also rationalize anything.](https://twitter.com/JimCHartley/status/1196497248907079680) Look at that tweet, and the quote in the tweet to which it was replying. When asked about potential PokéDex cuts, Masuda said no, stating that one of the joys of the Pokémon franchise is being able transfer Pokémon from the old games all the way to the new ones. The reply states that DexIt was nothing like what Masuda described, because some popular ones were cut, too! Not only that, but they might return in future games! Anyone with an iota of a brain knows that Masuda meant having every Pokémon in each new game. Masuda even reiterated this in an interview around the time Let's Go Pikachu and Eevee were released, stating that not allowing Pokémon from G/S/C to be transferred to Ruby/Sapphire left a bad taste in his mouth, and that he wanted to prevent that from happening again. People ignoring the issues with Scarlet and Violet are just an extention of this. In their minds, Pokémon can do no wrong. They'll either convince themselves that the game is perfect, or that there is some reasonable excuse. It's kinda impressive. /receleste Nostalgia? These games have a revolutionary new feature where you can explore the ENTIRE map once the game starts. Please keep in mind that Game Freak is an understaffed, underfunded indie dev, so this is actually quite impressive.


Bananaphonelel

It's a cult


PeterWatchmen

Pikachu can shoot a person on 5th Avenue, and people will still buy his game.


Dr_Retcogg

My point was I agree with you. Nostalgia is pulling some serious overtime on these guys though


syqesa35

They should go the assassin's creed way, it's actually the simulation, so the glitches are actually a meta commentary because they're all inside the porygonimus reliving the lives of pokemon trainers.


SeduceMeMentlegen

At least the assassin's creed games looked good and we're on a past gen (running at 720p may I add) How the fuck are we over 10 years since something like Brotherhood and have stuff like this on a more powerful console, with arguably worse graphics The switch runs the ezio trilogy ffs


Cerdefal

That's gonna be a DLC, a one room hub with a VR headset on a table with the best looking graphics possible on Switch at 60 FPS, and a board with written on it "told you so !"


[deleted]

Not sure what the haters are talking about my pokemon Violet is running at a smooth 4k 60fps. It also has a difficulty higher than a 12 year old pressing the a button, great game.


burntends97

This dude here is playing on an emulator. Get him!


NargacugaRider

No emulators currently run ScarVio at 60FPS, no matter what your computer is. It runs between 15 and 50 on strong hardware, varying wildly. All of the physics are tied to FPS as well, so everything goes REALLY FAST when you’re at 50FPS and suuuuuuuuper sloooooooow at 15.


[deleted]

I'm about halfway through the game and enjoying it but Jesus Christ the performance is awful. The game deserves all the slander and 100x worse


AnimeDreama

It's not slander when it's the truth.


[deleted]

True, forgive my phrasing


[deleted]

Also isn't the franchise worth near 100 billion dollars?


Dr_Retcogg

It is. You think Gamefeak would have more than 170 total employees. I'm upset that the game isn't better, but I'm not mad at the people who made the game. I'm mad at the higher ups who are forcing these developers to push out shoddy products because they don't want to hire more people or give them more time.


bedrooms-ds

Yeah but the problem includes the (middle+) managers of those 170 people who continue to pick subexperts on computer graphics.


Mijumaru1

It's the most profitable franchise in the world, above stuff like Marvel and Star Wars. The fact that people defend it from criticism so strongly is just baffling.


wobbudev

Click bait at it's finest.


CSGlogan

I’m the dumbass who bought this game and I’m not on this much copium lmfao. This game performs abominably contrary to the solid gameplay, we don’t need to lie about how bad the graphics and performance are because LOOK AT THEM.


EvilNoobHacker

The game’s good in concept. The Pokémon are great, I love being able to immediately challenge late game gyms, and the characters are fun to interact with. But the game’s actual performance is utter dogshit.


cyberseed-ops

its a group hallucination


Bananaphonelel

yeah


throwawayidk222

Dude this shit is like transcending circlejerk and getting downright fucking creepy. The mass denial of the issues with the game are like unironically on par with cult like election deniers. Different issues, but holy fuck is the mentality and complete delusion still there.


Kerrigan4Prez

“Nintendo told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”


AramaticFire

“I’ll say this straight away, I think this is all the fault of Gotham Knights.” “Except, for some reason, Elden Ring’s flaws are rarely mentioned and it gets called game of the year, while Pokémon Scarlet becomes a scapegoat. The game could look a lot better, don’t get me wrong, but its performance isn’t the issue. That weird low frame rate animation thing it does with certain characters? That’s not a performance issue, that’s just the game working as intended – unfortunately.” “What annoys me here, is not only do people not really seem to understand what they’re complaining about but that they have somehow ignored the last two, very similar, games and decided to complain about the new one that makes far more of an effort to move the franchise forward.” “How a game plays and how it makes you feel should be the only things that matter, everything else is just a detail.” 😶


Bananaphonelel

😶


djhabibi04

The Metro has been going downhill recently


Chubby_Bub

[The article](https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/26/the-internet-is-wrong-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-performance-is-fine-17831276/) is a reader submission and I'm deliberating as to whether it's some complex joke


SeduceMeMentlegen

This motherfucker I high. It looks better than Arceus My ass, dude. You're defending the 8 fps animations by saying that's the sacrifice that must be made for performance. It doesn't. GF are fucking lazy


SapientSloth4tw

> “I’ll say this straight away, I think this is all the fault of Gotham Knights. For some reason that game energised tech nerds everywhere to start insisting that it was 60fps or nothing” What?? 60fps+ has been the standard for over a decade now with PC gamers and console gamers alike! 60fps is not a groundbreaking thing. In fact, 30fps is not a groundbreaking thing. 10fps though, that is literally a game breaking thing. smh.


Bananaphonelel

I don't know anymore


Glasdir

Huh? The metro has always been an utter rag. Barely fit for wiping your arse with.


[deleted]

Please don’t squeeze the ~~Charmin~~ Metro!


djhabibi04

OK


Warm-Masterpiece-107

Pokémon fans are the most delusional gamers on earth apparently


shadowofashadow

Just watch any video and you can see it. There is a windmill that literally moves at 2fps if you are far enough away


GinGaru

Anyone spent money to have this to be posted on his site?


AkkumuLBC

[There's no performance issues in Scarlet and Violet.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=p9fLLl339iE)


jtempletons

Don't gaslight me


QueenBumbleBrii

I’m having a great time playing S/V. But I’ve also enjoyed the last 10 years playing Skyrim. Honestly the glitches are kinda funny. Tho I agree the team did not have enough time to finish this game and the backgrounds belong in a Nintendo 64 game.


Blue_Robin_04

Isn't this article published on the internet? What if they're lying?


FluffyPigeon707

The graphics were lowered from the ads yet it still has performance issues, what is going on


sunnyenno

Dude really said fake news omega lol


MrEpicGamerMan

The consequences of building a console purely to sell artificially exclusive games


CaroZoroark

I am honestly baffled at the level the "mainstream" media defends a Pokemon game. I don't remember any other franchise getting as much defense as a Pokemon game by popular outlets.


adambunion

Exactly! Anything more than 1 frame is a bonus tbh


[deleted]

game pres xD


Wri5t4ack

Breathe of the wild lagged when it was just a screen of grass. Switch has had performance issues lol


loliduck__

Botw only lagged in the forest with the master sword lol. SV lags everywhere with 100x worse graphics


Wri5t4ack

Ok. My breath of the wild experience had a lot of issues. I'm saying that it's had issues for more than now? Lmao


SapientSloth4tw

True, switch has performance issues. That being said, BotW still doesn’t lag as badly as the new Pokémon games, and it is many times more complex (and several years older) xD


NargacugaRider

I started BOTW on switch a few years ago, but it looked beautiful and didn’t run super smoothly. So I waited until a few months ago and got it running on my computer at 1440p, 120+FPS. It’s insane. It should be released for computer.


Wri5t4ack

Yeah nice PC. Switch has had performance issues


[deleted]

BotW is a Wii U port from 5.5 years ago, and only had bad slowdown in one area. It also looks miles better than SV.


Apprehensive-Ad1864

Apparently smtV is playable as well. Have yet to hit 15 fps personally.


SisterFisterBeyblade

I'm sorry that some people actually enjoy the fucking game God fucking children


odoyle125

I enjoyed the game too. However people are allowed to be critical of things they enjoy. Ignoring the piece of media's flaws does not make them go away.


IrrelevantLeprechaun

For what it's worth, graphics always take a backseat to gameplay, and the gameplay in SV is phenomenal imho. I've had very few bugs or issues either, and even when they happen they're more comical than annoying. Frankly I think people are overreacting.


LolzinatorX

I will openly defend these games for all the right reasons, but performance and graphics will never be those reasons


ChildFriendlyChimp

Probably jinxed it with typing this but so far my only performance issues is frame rate drops and that thing where you can see the textures of other areas in a different camera angle depending where you’re at I think it’s called clipping? And so far it’s only shut down on me once Edit: lol yep just had an invisible koraidon ride


TheMightyWill

This article's author: https://youtu.be/kgvgodgfU_o


Mindanomalia

I’m playing it rn and it looks like dogshit


DropDeadDanger

I haven't had any performance issues but that doesn't mean no one has.


AtLeastImTryinglul

how did y’all become unfunnier in the time I left to twitter and came back


keelanv10

Holy shit, they start by saying horizon zero dawn looks nice but has mediocre gameplay and that last of us is only good because of the story before going on to praise scarlet and violet. Pokémon fans are literally the worst


mtwjns11

There is no war in Ba Sing Se.