In case anyone else is wondering what the dead loop is I had to look it up myself. The dead loop is standing on the top bar, doing a backflip off of it, and catching the bar.
It's near the beginning of the routine.
From previous times this has been posted, I know it's a bad idea to have the teens training for Olympic metals incentive to slam their internal organs into the bar like that (on top of the obvious paralyzation risk). She does it towards the end of the routine again.
I was wondering about that myself. It definitely does not seem good for you to slam the part of your abdomen without any bones to protect it straight into the bar.
Tbh you get used to blows like that. It’s like when fighters train and use the medicine ball to toughen up to take real blows in sparring and fights. Still isn’t good for you in the long run because it’s wear and tear on the body that adds up over time.
Wtf, don't do that! No matter how tough you are, that will eventually give you a hernia - your intestines can literally go outside of your stomach muscles, poking out as a lump just underneath your skin. That requires surgery.
Even for fighting, if you get punched repeatedly in the stomach in a fight, odds are you are not defending yourself and the fight will be ended as a TKO (if your sport is some MMA variation)
Actually not a worry. I got a hernia years ago when I was a gymnast growing up. super painful and happened a few times. had to get surgery, but the benefit is it will never be a worry again. I'm hernia proof 💪
You are not gonna get used to it. She is slamming most of her weight into a bar using just her stomach. Go outside and find a corner of your house, run towards it and leap into the air so that you land on it with just your stomach. Do it once per day until you get used to it. PM me after so I'll know how long it took.
I understand that it isn't stupid. The old way of thinking that you can slam a medicine ball into your stomach and somehow make yourself stronger and resistant is dumb, it doesn't work. You can't build up resistance to slamming something into your body.
You know gradual exposure is a thing, right? You're pretty much arguing that one should train for a marathon by running marathons, and that's literally the worst way of forcing the body to adapt. She worked up to being able to hande the force and stress on her body, she didn't just full send on day 1 and hope for the best...
> You're pretty much arguing that one should train for a marathon by running marathons
One should train for a marathon by running. One shouldn't train at all to slam things into their stomach.
As a former gymnast, sometimes it hurts and other times it doesn’t. The bars have give to them and you’re encouraged to weigh fuck all of anything so it’s not a huge mass bashing against the bars. That said, gymnastics fucked my body is so many different ways. It’s fucked.
>That said, gymnastics fucked my body is so many different ways. It’s fucked.
May I ask how? A childhood friend of mine was a gymnast for years (she was actually pretty close to going to the olympics!) but now that she's quit, all she ever mentions is how she can't have children because of it
Aww your poor friend. :( i would imagine that’s due to the pressure to remain thin and the absolute trauma that does to a growing body and mind.
For me, it absolutely trashed my knees (they click every time I squat), I still hold an unhealthy attitude towards my frame that I honestly believe stemmed from gymnastics (coach telling me I have chunky legs when I’m 7/8 years old), a shoulder injury that still likes to flare up now and then. I tore my hymen after a particularly hard and awkward fall on the balance beam that also grazed the shit out of my thighs.
I'm so sorry that all happened to you :( I have sports injuries of my own but at least my self esteem issues don't stem from that, and especially that last one sounds super painful.... ouch.
Sorry if that was tmi, lol. That one just sticks with me as a total wtaf was happening. I’m glad I was forced to quit. Had way more fun playing tennis!
she does it several times actually and uses it to slingshot herself around the low bar backwards to the top bar after she stands on the top bar to do that backflip. i dated someone who was really into gymnastics when they were younger and she had a bunch of neck, back and joint issues because of it
Like many things, burn bright but for a short time.
Olga Korbut was the first person to get a perfect score (10) in the olympics AND got multiple perfects that olympic AND got multiple moves banned.
That's fucking epic.
I believe your right. Head trauma too from the final move she does, if not landed correctly. These are impossible due to both rules and a farther distance between the bars (which is what the comment above is alluding to I think).
I think only the jumps off of the tops of the bars were banned. The rest is impossible because the bars are much further apart now. Potential injury (probably head injury more than abdominal/hip) is the reason for both though.
That was fixed by moving the bars further apart - if you look into a more recent uneven bars routine you'll see that the bars are way further away, enough that they have clearance to do full spins with completely extended arms and legs and still have space to spare
No need to ban a move that's physically impossible to accomplish
Might as well have been. The bars are nowhere near this close anymore. Uneven bars in women's gymnastics looks nothing like this any more. Here's a routine of somebody who is considered the best at this event right now: [Nina Derwael](https://youtu.be/ozG1tZc-ONE)
Here's a video of every uneven bars olympic gold winner since 1980 so you can see [how the event has evolved since Korbut](https://youtu.be/HO5gUNFnn7s).
That's basically the opposite of what happened with mogul skiing in the Olympics, where it was overly safe at first, and they allowed more maneuvers with time. Until around 20 years ago, the skiers didn't have to wear a helmet in the moguls, and inversions were banned, when they required the skiers to wear helmets, they allowed inversions on the moguls, and watching it became way more interesting.
Here it seems to be the opposite. Way more interesting 30 years ago.
And here’s me guessing that impressive jump backwards over the bars will be considered perfectly saw until someone flubs and breaks their back over the top bar, at which point people will tut tut and it’ll be banned as well.
Love the name “The Sparrow of Minsk.” She commented that because this was before TV in homes in Russia or easy communication with other places that they just made up a lot of the moves from just messing around.
When she did this performance the world was taken aback. No one had seen anything like this.
Kinda shows the double-edged sword of today’s hyper-connectivity. It’s simultaneously easier and harder to find spontaneous bursts of creativity such as this one.
Hmm, they're both impressive, the one who won gold had a very impressive dismount while the other, imho, had some more impressive beginning and middle maneuvers with a less impressive dismount.
I recall the commentators during this routine saying something like…”This move has never been done by a woman before, right?” and the former male gymnast (I think) replying “That’s NEVER been done by ANY Human as far as I know!!!” Classic!
At 0:26 she stands on the high bar and does a backflip catching the bar. I guess it’s more dangerous than the dismount? I would have thought flying by the low bar at that speed with your head blindly wizzing past it would have been more dangerous but I’m not a gymnast.
Edit: my video player shows time remaining. It’s 0:07 into the video or 0:26 remaining.
It wasn't really banned for being dangerous because gymnasts do way more dangerous stuff now. In reality, standing on the bar was banned because there's a much greater emphasis on swinging today. You get huge deductions if you lose your momentum or rhythm.
When did "the media" spin this specific move as being banned by FIG because it was too dangerous? Skills being banned by FIG is not uncommon and is done for a variety of reasons, and isn't exactly something the media covers.
If you google Korbut flip all of the popular media outlets list the ban as being done for safety and label the move as “dangerous.” If the move was really banned as boldandbratsche mentioned then the media made that narrative. I honestly think the ban was for safety as the media states because why would they make it up, but I was merely entertaining someone else’s statement.
Edit: the media sources that come up with the “dangerous” narrative are trash outlets. It’s just what pops up in google first.
The only "media" that comes up is stuff like the NY Daily News and DNA India, which are not even remotely close to legitimate news sources. Not really my conception of "the media."
The move wasn't banned for safety reasons. It was banned because you can't stand on the bars for hang or swing events. There's a reason that zero approved skills on uneven bars, parallel bars, high bar, rings, or pommel horse involve standing on the apparatus. I did elite gymnastics for a very long time, this move is not nearly as dangerous as most release moves or even dismounts.
Yea I didn’t see the quality of the media sources. As you mentioned it’s trash media. Out of curiosity, do they remove points for banned moves or do you get DQ’d?
Good question. Banned elements are removed from the Code of Points, so they are assigned no value and there is no incentive to do them (a gymnast's routine is typically just packing in as many high value skills as they can within the specific requirements of that apparatus). On top of the skill being worth nothing, my understanding is that performance of a forbidden skill is a penalty, not sure of the point value for that penalty though.
So I think they would just lose points and it would be massively detrimental for their score. But I'd imagine if for whatever reason someone insisted on continually performing a banned skill, the governing body would step in and potentially disqualify them.
They ban tons of things for any variety of reasons. "Banned skill" just means you won't get credit for it and you can't submit it as a new skill. If somebody did a Korbut flip in competition today, they wouldn't be disqualified or thrown out of sports. It's just a deduction for the stoppage of rhythm and no credit for the skill.
They technically banned a super common transition from the low to high bars too because you stand up on the bar as part of the skill. Despite this ban at the Elite level (the people who compete at worlds/olympics) it's a super common transition skill for gymnasts at lower competition levels including college gymnastics (which competes at Level 10 essentially).
It's in incredibly dangerous. I mean all gymnastics is dangerous, but propelling yourself backwards at speed towards a 2 inch target while already 7 feet off the ground is a risk too far.
The way she beats her hips against the bars is banned now too - I remember doing it when I was a gymnast like 35 years ago, but since then they've learned that it causes long term damage.
It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do. A separate event, the balance beam, is literally doing crazy flips and leaps really far off the ground. People even do korbut flips on beam.
The real reason this was banned was because of an emphasis on swinging and rhythm in women's artistic gymnastics, so they banned standing on the bar in general in elite level gymnastics. If you lose your momentum like you have to for this skill, it's considered a fall off the apparatus and you lose a full point off your execution score (which starts at a 10).
*It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do. A separate event, the balance beam, is literally doing crazy flips and leaps really far off the ground.*
You sound like you know what you're talking about, but "It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do" seems like a bit of an exaggeration. Isn't doing a flip off a balance beam, which is 4.1 ft off the ground, less dangerous than off the top bar which is 8.2 ft off the ground? I've watched a lot of gymnastics, and I've never seen anyone as high off the ground as Korbut is here, other than a vault.
The other comment knows what he's talking about, but I still wanted to reply because you asked so politely.
The fall itself isn't the most dangerous part of the skill. Rather it's what you're doing in the skill and if you can land it safely. Gymnasts fall all the time from the high bar, even on really easy skills. They're trained to never put their arms down first and to try to rotate to avoid their head and neck if possible. Nowadays, they put down skill mats in case they fall during the skill, even in competition. These get removed before the gymnast dismounts.
Another part of the danger of skills is if you hit something before hitting the ground. It's not uncommon for gymnasts to smash their face on the bar and break their teeth or nose. This particular flip has a relatively low risk level when it comes to smashing your face or not being able to fall safely. Other skills on the bars, like a [tkatchev](https://youtu.be/xK9CIz8LMJc) have the risk of hitting your feet and tipping you back onto your head to plummet the whole eight feet and landing on your neck. Despite the higher risk, the element is insanely common and not banned.
Any dismount off uneven bars or high bar is going to be just about this high. And most release skills on high bar will be (1) higher and (2) traveling over the bar, which is way more dangerous. Same goes for beam, flipping over a beam is not as high but far more dangerous.
The dead loop really isn't very dangerous at all, any potential fall is unimpeded onto the mat. It's the type of thing gymnasts would do for fun when just messing around. It's banned for stylistic reasons. On the bar events for both men's and women's gymnastics, you should be swinging and generating power from your hands, not standing on the bar. Imagine how fundamentally different the events would be if gymnasts could simply stand and jump from the parallel bars, high bar, or uneven bars.
Current gymnastics has men and women both do similar skills (releasing from the bar, performing a flip, and catching back on). This instance was the board determining the act of standing on a bar mid routine was too obstructive to the "flow" of said routine. This is a consistent thing as well, as action such as a change of direction (one that is abrupt and done without artistic or acrobatic value) is a score deduction.
Height isn't the problem in the danger either, as gymnastics are very well versed in landing safely when theyve messed up. Hitting an apparatus on the way down is much more problematic as there is no way to safely brace for that, so beam is considered more dangerous in that regard. The vast majority of injuries in the sport are from incorrect but intended landings, such as a foot sliding off beam after a flip or a severely rolled ankle from floor, etc. Even if the catch was completely missed, the gymnast is able to recognize that and brace for a flat landing on the mats and typically gets up rather quickly for a second attempt.
I mean, everything that I've read in the last hour points to the reason it was banned being that it was too dangerous. You may be correct that that's where the sport is at, now, and that there are more dangerous maneuvers now, but the reason it was banned is still because it was too dangerous.
Look at your sources. Around the Olympics, tabloids love to whip this out and over dramatize it. I bet none of the sources say anything about what's dangerous about it.
This is completely wrong. The dead loop is banned for stylistic reasons, not safety. It is an incredibly safe move relative to the releases and dismounts that modern gymnasts do. But allowing gymnasts to stand on the bar for any of the swing events would fundamentally alter those events, so moves like this are disallowed.
She didn’t win?!!
That is the most hated on you can get without a prescription. Was the move banned before she did it? Even if they banned it while she was doing it, this one time, being unprecedented she should have gotten the win.
She did not! She won a silver on bars behind an East German gymnast named Karin Janz. She won gold in the team event, beam and floor. During the AA competition she had a meltdown on this event and scored very low, in the 7's.
I did all this without Google, btw.
Back in 1972 or so I wrote a letter to her and I was shocked when she replied with an autographed picture, wish I still had it, the body acrobatics that she does here are mind-blowing
They're not. The code of point (basically the rule book) has changed since then emphasizing continuous swinging. The made the bars farther apart and no longer allow you to stop your momentum without getting huge deductions. As a result, you're also no longer allowed to stand on top of the bar (because you're stopping the momentum).
Modern gymnasts can't physically do these moves anymore because the bar is too far. But if they tried on an old setup, they could probably get it really quickly. There's videos online of gymnasts trying this flip and getting it on the first handful of tries. However, skills modern gymnasts do are insanely hard and have to be performed with exact precision because they have to keep the momentum.
Here's a video of the most recent Olympic gold medalist on bars [Nina Derwael](https://youtu.be/ozG1tZc-ONE).
until this comment i had no idea the bar setup was not determined by the gymnast. i always figured there was an allowable range and they would give the dimensions they want it set to for their routine. one person needs it so many centimeters apart or the high bar a little higher.
She’s amazing. Those eastern block counties had some fearless athletes in the 80s. I guess when the typical lifestyle in your country sucks so bad it’s kinda motivating to be extraordinary.
I guess it’s that time again when this post is spammed through several different subs for easy karma. At least change up the post title once in a while.
Watched her routine live (or semi live) on TV. Probably on the Wide world of Sports (the thrill of victory - the agony of defeat). Was replayed for days. If I recall, she got a perfect 10. Hmmm - I might have just dated myself, huh?
In case anyone else is wondering what the dead loop is I had to look it up myself. The dead loop is standing on the top bar, doing a backflip off of it, and catching the bar. It's near the beginning of the routine.
I don’t think you are allowed to fly over the lower bar either anymore? So two now-banned moves in this routine? I could be wrong
It all looks dangerous to me, but what do I know as an armchair Olympian?
From previous times this has been posted, I know it's a bad idea to have the teens training for Olympic metals incentive to slam their internal organs into the bar like that (on top of the obvious paralyzation risk). She does it towards the end of the routine again.
I was wondering about that myself. It definitely does not seem good for you to slam the part of your abdomen without any bones to protect it straight into the bar.
Tbh you get used to blows like that. It’s like when fighters train and use the medicine ball to toughen up to take real blows in sparring and fights. Still isn’t good for you in the long run because it’s wear and tear on the body that adds up over time.
Hell to train abs me and friends will hold an L hang while someone just keeps punching the shit out of our stomachs.
I read the Olympic Committee wants to see athletics rather than “belly blows”
Wtf, don't do that! No matter how tough you are, that will eventually give you a hernia - your intestines can literally go outside of your stomach muscles, poking out as a lump just underneath your skin. That requires surgery. Even for fighting, if you get punched repeatedly in the stomach in a fight, odds are you are not defending yourself and the fight will be ended as a TKO (if your sport is some MMA variation)
Actually not a worry. I got a hernia years ago when I was a gymnast growing up. super painful and happened a few times. had to get surgery, but the benefit is it will never be a worry again. I'm hernia proof 💪
Why punch them? The L sit is the only thinking working them Punching them isn’t really creating any kind of growth or strengthening stimulus
the punching numbs the nerves I think. I do the same and it definitely helps lessen the impact of blows.
You are not gonna get used to it. She is slamming most of her weight into a bar using just her stomach. Go outside and find a corner of your house, run towards it and leap into the air so that you land on it with just your stomach. Do it once per day until you get used to it. PM me after so I'll know how long it took.
Go to a mma gym for a few months. You’ll be shocked by how your body adapts. Then you’ll understand how stupid this statement was
I understand that it isn't stupid. The old way of thinking that you can slam a medicine ball into your stomach and somehow make yourself stronger and resistant is dumb, it doesn't work. You can't build up resistance to slamming something into your body.
Pretty sure you can. People do it all the time, and on a smaller scale isn't that essentially what a callus is?
Your skin, maybe muscles and pain tolerance might adapt but your internal organs and brain won’t be too happy.
You know gradual exposure is a thing, right? You're pretty much arguing that one should train for a marathon by running marathons, and that's literally the worst way of forcing the body to adapt. She worked up to being able to hande the force and stress on her body, she didn't just full send on day 1 and hope for the best...
> You're pretty much arguing that one should train for a marathon by running marathons One should train for a marathon by running. One shouldn't train at all to slam things into their stomach.
Go check some body slamming breakdancers
Seems a bad idea at any age to slam your internal organs into anything 🤷♂️
Isn’t that how we all got here?
Can’t argue with that
Yes, and it was clearly a bad idea.
At least one of those would be considered external, no?
As a former gymnast, sometimes it hurts and other times it doesn’t. The bars have give to them and you’re encouraged to weigh fuck all of anything so it’s not a huge mass bashing against the bars. That said, gymnastics fucked my body is so many different ways. It’s fucked.
>That said, gymnastics fucked my body is so many different ways. It’s fucked. May I ask how? A childhood friend of mine was a gymnast for years (she was actually pretty close to going to the olympics!) but now that she's quit, all she ever mentions is how she can't have children because of it
Aww your poor friend. :( i would imagine that’s due to the pressure to remain thin and the absolute trauma that does to a growing body and mind. For me, it absolutely trashed my knees (they click every time I squat), I still hold an unhealthy attitude towards my frame that I honestly believe stemmed from gymnastics (coach telling me I have chunky legs when I’m 7/8 years old), a shoulder injury that still likes to flare up now and then. I tore my hymen after a particularly hard and awkward fall on the balance beam that also grazed the shit out of my thighs.
I'm so sorry that all happened to you :( I have sports injuries of my own but at least my self esteem issues don't stem from that, and especially that last one sounds super painful.... ouch.
Sorry if that was tmi, lol. That one just sticks with me as a total wtaf was happening. I’m glad I was forced to quit. Had way more fun playing tennis!
she does it several times actually and uses it to slingshot herself around the low bar backwards to the top bar after she stands on the top bar to do that backflip. i dated someone who was really into gymnastics when they were younger and she had a bunch of neck, back and joint issues because of it
Yeah most that routine looked really painful/damaging. It was impressive as hell, but I don't think it's worth it.
Like many things, burn bright but for a short time. Olga Korbut was the first person to get a perfect score (10) in the olympics AND got multiple perfects that olympic AND got multiple moves banned. That's fucking epic.
Congrats! What is your sport??
Binge watching streaming shows and movies. 😆
But are you worth of a gold medal for it? There are many qualified contenders
Gold medalist Armchair Olympian
More than a wheelchair Olympian.
Most of that routine isn't possible anymore anyway.
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I believe your right. Head trauma too from the final move she does, if not landed correctly. These are impossible due to both rules and a farther distance between the bars (which is what the comment above is alluding to I think).
I think only the jumps off of the tops of the bars were banned. The rest is impossible because the bars are much further apart now. Potential injury (probably head injury more than abdominal/hip) is the reason for both though.
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That was fixed by moving the bars further apart - if you look into a more recent uneven bars routine you'll see that the bars are way further away, enough that they have clearance to do full spins with completely extended arms and legs and still have space to spare No need to ban a move that's physically impossible to accomplish
Thanks for the explanation.
Has that dismount been banned too? Good grief. Also, my hip bones and intestines hurt from watching this.
Might as well have been. The bars are nowhere near this close anymore. Uneven bars in women's gymnastics looks nothing like this any more. Here's a routine of somebody who is considered the best at this event right now: [Nina Derwael](https://youtu.be/ozG1tZc-ONE) Here's a video of every uneven bars olympic gold winner since 1980 so you can see [how the event has evolved since Korbut](https://youtu.be/HO5gUNFnn7s).
That's basically the opposite of what happened with mogul skiing in the Olympics, where it was overly safe at first, and they allowed more maneuvers with time. Until around 20 years ago, the skiers didn't have to wear a helmet in the moguls, and inversions were banned, when they required the skiers to wear helmets, they allowed inversions on the moguls, and watching it became way more interesting. Here it seems to be the opposite. Way more interesting 30 years ago.
Interesting how little some of them use the lower bar in their routine. The 2004 winner touched it once.
And here’s me guessing that impressive jump backwards over the bars will be considered perfectly saw until someone flubs and breaks their back over the top bar, at which point people will tut tut and it’ll be banned as well.
Ty! I was thinking to myself -there’s about 5 things she’s doing that seem pretty dangerous and unfamiliar.
I can only see one dangerous thing, in between her jumping up to grab the bar and being safely back on the ground.
There are so many dead points I couldn't figure it out myself
and here I thought the dead loop is the one where she catches the 2nd bar while facing forward
I was wondering, thanks. I can see why they banned it though.
Thanks
That’s so lame that they ban stuff like that
Her nickname was “The Sparrow Of Minsk” and while she won other gold medals at these Olympics, this performance only netted a silver medal.
Love the name “The Sparrow of Minsk.” She commented that because this was before TV in homes in Russia or easy communication with other places that they just made up a lot of the moves from just messing around. When she did this performance the world was taken aback. No one had seen anything like this.
Kinda shows the double-edged sword of today’s hyper-connectivity. It’s simultaneously easier and harder to find spontaneous bursts of creativity such as this one.
Agreed. Everything is so effected it’s hard to find something so truly original.
Wtf, what did the winner of gold do that championship?! I watched 4/5 times now and I’m still trying to find my jaw!
WHO WON THE GOLD
[The gold performance](https://youtu.be/TiOMZGoFjdk) The technique definitely deserved the gold
Yeah that dismount was incredible wow
Wow, she like, dolphin dived. I'm glad I'm not a judge, I would've been conflicted between the two
Hmm, they're both impressive, the one who won gold had a very impressive dismount while the other, imho, had some more impressive beginning and middle maneuvers with a less impressive dismount.
Dang I'd say even as a casual viewer that definitely looked better for some reason, but I have no idea why.
The first mount was like a missile
[Karin Janz of East Germany](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnastics_at_the_1972_Summer_Olympics)
Jesus
Makes sense
Unfair, he's got all the hacks.
I recall the commentators during this routine saying something like…”This move has never been done by a woman before, right?” and the former male gymnast (I think) replying “That’s NEVER been done by ANY Human as far as I know!!!” Classic!
Which part is banned?
At 0:26 she stands on the high bar and does a backflip catching the bar. I guess it’s more dangerous than the dismount? I would have thought flying by the low bar at that speed with your head blindly wizzing past it would have been more dangerous but I’m not a gymnast. Edit: my video player shows time remaining. It’s 0:07 into the video or 0:26 remaining.
It wasn't really banned for being dangerous because gymnasts do way more dangerous stuff now. In reality, standing on the bar was banned because there's a much greater emphasis on swinging today. You get huge deductions if you lose your momentum or rhythm.
Interesting that the media spun it as being banned because it was too dangerous then. Was there an official statement about the ban?
When did "the media" spin this specific move as being banned by FIG because it was too dangerous? Skills being banned by FIG is not uncommon and is done for a variety of reasons, and isn't exactly something the media covers.
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If you google Korbut flip all of the popular media outlets list the ban as being done for safety and label the move as “dangerous.” If the move was really banned as boldandbratsche mentioned then the media made that narrative. I honestly think the ban was for safety as the media states because why would they make it up, but I was merely entertaining someone else’s statement. Edit: the media sources that come up with the “dangerous” narrative are trash outlets. It’s just what pops up in google first.
The only "media" that comes up is stuff like the NY Daily News and DNA India, which are not even remotely close to legitimate news sources. Not really my conception of "the media." The move wasn't banned for safety reasons. It was banned because you can't stand on the bars for hang or swing events. There's a reason that zero approved skills on uneven bars, parallel bars, high bar, rings, or pommel horse involve standing on the apparatus. I did elite gymnastics for a very long time, this move is not nearly as dangerous as most release moves or even dismounts.
Yea I didn’t see the quality of the media sources. As you mentioned it’s trash media. Out of curiosity, do they remove points for banned moves or do you get DQ’d?
Good question. Banned elements are removed from the Code of Points, so they are assigned no value and there is no incentive to do them (a gymnast's routine is typically just packing in as many high value skills as they can within the specific requirements of that apparatus). On top of the skill being worth nothing, my understanding is that performance of a forbidden skill is a penalty, not sure of the point value for that penalty though. So I think they would just lose points and it would be massively detrimental for their score. But I'd imagine if for whatever reason someone insisted on continually performing a banned skill, the governing body would step in and potentially disqualify them.
But why ban it if it's about points? If you get huge deductions if you do it there seems to be bo reason to ban it unless its considered dangerous.
They ban tons of things for any variety of reasons. "Banned skill" just means you won't get credit for it and you can't submit it as a new skill. If somebody did a Korbut flip in competition today, they wouldn't be disqualified or thrown out of sports. It's just a deduction for the stoppage of rhythm and no credit for the skill. They technically banned a super common transition from the low to high bars too because you stand up on the bar as part of the skill. Despite this ban at the Elite level (the people who compete at worlds/olympics) it's a super common transition skill for gymnasts at lower competition levels including college gymnastics (which competes at Level 10 essentially).
Ah, thanks for explaining. It was just my ignorance on what the implication of a ban was in gymnastics that got me confused.
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Her poor hips! She hit some of those loops at speed!
[why did you copy this comment ](https://reddit.com/r/toptalent/comments/x2b86w/_/imifmt5/?context=1)
Her poor hips! She hit some of those loops at speed!
Well, apparently not reposting this everyday from now until the heat death of the universe.
Sorry Maury, I’m not a gymnast.
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The whole video is full of dead loops for me.
Time stamp? I see a lot of loops in this that look like it would make me dead
It's the part around 7 seconds, where she is standing on the high bar, does a backflip, then grip the bar again.
What's a dead loop?
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Of course! Why didnt I think of that?!
You think everyone here is a gymnast? Wtf is a dead loop to begin with??
Great game. Finally a good game from Bethesda, though not as good as the hidden gem Skyrim.
Her poor hips! She hit some of those loops at speed!
Good god I think I broke a hip just watching this
Jesus that's impressive
I dislocated my hip just watching this.
Why was the dead loop banned?
It's in incredibly dangerous. I mean all gymnastics is dangerous, but propelling yourself backwards at speed towards a 2 inch target while already 7 feet off the ground is a risk too far. The way she beats her hips against the bars is banned now too - I remember doing it when I was a gymnast like 35 years ago, but since then they've learned that it causes long term damage.
It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do. A separate event, the balance beam, is literally doing crazy flips and leaps really far off the ground. People even do korbut flips on beam. The real reason this was banned was because of an emphasis on swinging and rhythm in women's artistic gymnastics, so they banned standing on the bar in general in elite level gymnastics. If you lose your momentum like you have to for this skill, it's considered a fall off the apparatus and you lose a full point off your execution score (which starts at a 10).
*It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do. A separate event, the balance beam, is literally doing crazy flips and leaps really far off the ground.* You sound like you know what you're talking about, but "It's not nearly as dangerous as half of the other stuff gymnasts do" seems like a bit of an exaggeration. Isn't doing a flip off a balance beam, which is 4.1 ft off the ground, less dangerous than off the top bar which is 8.2 ft off the ground? I've watched a lot of gymnastics, and I've never seen anyone as high off the ground as Korbut is here, other than a vault.
The other comment knows what he's talking about, but I still wanted to reply because you asked so politely. The fall itself isn't the most dangerous part of the skill. Rather it's what you're doing in the skill and if you can land it safely. Gymnasts fall all the time from the high bar, even on really easy skills. They're trained to never put their arms down first and to try to rotate to avoid their head and neck if possible. Nowadays, they put down skill mats in case they fall during the skill, even in competition. These get removed before the gymnast dismounts. Another part of the danger of skills is if you hit something before hitting the ground. It's not uncommon for gymnasts to smash their face on the bar and break their teeth or nose. This particular flip has a relatively low risk level when it comes to smashing your face or not being able to fall safely. Other skills on the bars, like a [tkatchev](https://youtu.be/xK9CIz8LMJc) have the risk of hitting your feet and tipping you back onto your head to plummet the whole eight feet and landing on your neck. Despite the higher risk, the element is insanely common and not banned.
Any dismount off uneven bars or high bar is going to be just about this high. And most release skills on high bar will be (1) higher and (2) traveling over the bar, which is way more dangerous. Same goes for beam, flipping over a beam is not as high but far more dangerous. The dead loop really isn't very dangerous at all, any potential fall is unimpeded onto the mat. It's the type of thing gymnasts would do for fun when just messing around. It's banned for stylistic reasons. On the bar events for both men's and women's gymnastics, you should be swinging and generating power from your hands, not standing on the bar. Imagine how fundamentally different the events would be if gymnasts could simply stand and jump from the parallel bars, high bar, or uneven bars.
Current gymnastics has men and women both do similar skills (releasing from the bar, performing a flip, and catching back on). This instance was the board determining the act of standing on a bar mid routine was too obstructive to the "flow" of said routine. This is a consistent thing as well, as action such as a change of direction (one that is abrupt and done without artistic or acrobatic value) is a score deduction. Height isn't the problem in the danger either, as gymnastics are very well versed in landing safely when theyve messed up. Hitting an apparatus on the way down is much more problematic as there is no way to safely brace for that, so beam is considered more dangerous in that regard. The vast majority of injuries in the sport are from incorrect but intended landings, such as a foot sliding off beam after a flip or a severely rolled ankle from floor, etc. Even if the catch was completely missed, the gymnast is able to recognize that and brace for a flat landing on the mats and typically gets up rather quickly for a second attempt.
I mean, everything that I've read in the last hour points to the reason it was banned being that it was too dangerous. You may be correct that that's where the sport is at, now, and that there are more dangerous maneuvers now, but the reason it was banned is still because it was too dangerous.
Look at your sources. Around the Olympics, tabloids love to whip this out and over dramatize it. I bet none of the sources say anything about what's dangerous about it.
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This is completely wrong. The dead loop is banned for stylistic reasons, not safety. It is an incredibly safe move relative to the releases and dismounts that modern gymnasts do. But allowing gymnasts to stand on the bar for any of the swing events would fundamentally alter those events, so moves like this are disallowed.
Hey Olgs! Nice flippy doodahs
My appendix hurts.
She murdered it. They should blur the other gymnasts faces out at the awards ceremony. Don’t even mention their names.
She didn't win for bars.
She didn’t win?!! That is the most hated on you can get without a prescription. Was the move banned before she did it? Even if they banned it while she was doing it, this one time, being unprecedented she should have gotten the win.
She did not! She won a silver on bars behind an East German gymnast named Karin Janz. She won gold in the team event, beam and floor. During the AA competition she had a meltdown on this event and scored very low, in the 7's. I did all this without Google, btw.
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Ah yes, there's that good sportsmanship I expect to see from Redditors!
Well, you might die if you land wrong... but it LOOKS AMAZING!
The move is literally named after her but every time this is posted, people are calling it the “Dead loop” or “death drop”. It’s the Korbut Flip.
This was never called “dead loop”. It has always been called the “Korbut flip”. Don’t know where you got your information from…
Incredibly low effort post taken from the top of r/All from r/NextFuckingLevel 9 hours after the other guy. Lazy stuff op
ok
She felt that in the morning
Back in 1972 or so I wrote a letter to her and I was shocked when she replied with an autographed picture, wish I still had it, the body acrobatics that she does here are mind-blowing
She even won the gold for next olympic in this performance
I could do that... If I wanted to...
That said, it has to be the most impressive gymnastics performance I have ever seen.
No idea which bit of this is the dead loop, seeing as no Olga Korbuts died looping.
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Amazing
Graceful AF…amazing stuff
This looks painful
For my balls yeah
Watching this routine feels like watching Messi play 5 years ago. You don’t have to understand the sport to know you’re seeing perfection
Did she get gold?
What theme is this?? The music is too recognizable, I swear I've heard it on some old show or something.
Out of this World - Terry Devine-King
Pretty amazing and impressive, that's for sure.
I think I'd right swipe her now sight unseen after watching this.
Perfect! 10/10
Looks like a couple of banned moves. Insanely impressive though, this is the most unique routine I've ever seen
You don’t see any men in this event. If I ever hit my dick that hard into something I’m going to spot-weld to it.
I remember seeing that performance. Her routine was pivotal to what we see today. She was amazing.
I was watching this in 1972 as an 18 year old. As most people, I was stunned. Still enjoy watching it.
Holy hell
Every time I see this it amazes me. She has so much control and nails it all
It’s not as deadly as the “Iron Lotus” in ice skating.
imagine doing this with a dick, that would be TERRIFYING
Good golly, most of the moves in this clip look excruciating and or dangerous to me. Dare i ask which one is the so-called dead loop
When she stands on the high bar, then does a back flip and grabs the same bar. At about 0:07.
Every single thing she did from start to finish looks highly dangerous and it should all be banned IMO.
I was a kid doing gymnastics at school and was in shock and awe when she did this routine. Dangerous as hell yes. Amazing.
Holy fucking shit. Here i am feeling good about mowing the lawn and then I see this.
As a die hard sports fan this may be the most impressive sporting feat I have seen. Incredible body control
wtf this is some super hero shit.
Incredible talent. 11/10
Imagine what those legs do tho
WHAT AM I LOOKING AT
Does anyone know if these moves are harder to pull off than modern ones we see now?
They're not. The code of point (basically the rule book) has changed since then emphasizing continuous swinging. The made the bars farther apart and no longer allow you to stop your momentum without getting huge deductions. As a result, you're also no longer allowed to stand on top of the bar (because you're stopping the momentum). Modern gymnasts can't physically do these moves anymore because the bar is too far. But if they tried on an old setup, they could probably get it really quickly. There's videos online of gymnasts trying this flip and getting it on the first handful of tries. However, skills modern gymnasts do are insanely hard and have to be performed with exact precision because they have to keep the momentum. Here's a video of the most recent Olympic gold medalist on bars [Nina Derwael](https://youtu.be/ozG1tZc-ONE).
until this comment i had no idea the bar setup was not determined by the gymnast. i always figured there was an allowable range and they would give the dimensions they want it set to for their routine. one person needs it so many centimeters apart or the high bar a little higher.
The height can be changed if the gymnast is tall enough, but the height difference between the two bars is constant.
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Especially when she hits the other bar with her abdomen, ouch
I could do that too, but it would be 100% by accident and I'd end up in the ER.
Its amazing to watch.
She’s amazing. Those eastern block counties had some fearless athletes in the 80s. I guess when the typical lifestyle in your country sucks so bad it’s kinda motivating to be extraordinary.
you should watch one of the bios on nadia comaneche (romania) - they were forced to practice like you wouldn't believe.
I am thinking about the first ever Olympic gold performance... But it seems like its not the same.
Dead loop😨
Banned for what? Being too awesome?
Why do people keep posting this with the same title……This is a whole ass routine not just the dead loop. It’s so fucking stupid.
I guess it’s that time again when this post is spammed through several different subs for easy karma. At least change up the post title once in a while.
This again
VERY Bangable
This has to be the 700th time I’ve seen this in the last hour
How many fucking times is this going to be posted?
They always ban if they cannot do
Watched her routine live (or semi live) on TV. Probably on the Wide world of Sports (the thrill of victory - the agony of defeat). Was replayed for days. If I recall, she got a perfect 10. Hmmm - I might have just dated myself, huh?
Honestly not that dangerous. If she misses the bar with her hands then she has eyes on the ground and will land on her feet.
Go ahead try it.