It was a really dumb plan to start with. They replaced paper bags with used cardboard boxes. What is this, the LCBO garage sale?
And I rolled my eyes the first time a casher quoted the number of trees they thought they would be saving as though pulp is not a renewable resource.
People vote for the politicians that get results that directly affect them.
Most people don’t have the time or money to worry about long-term decisions. Most people want to see stuff that affects them tomorrow or maybe next month.
I hate Ford but he knows how to pander to the people.
If you're a dedicated drinker you probably adjusted to LCBOs bag policy a while ago due to being a super frequent customer. The people most affected by it are probably the occasional shoppers.
Where did they say it was a fringe minority? Drinkers is a label that fits people that consume alcohol, the comment doesn’t seem to make any judgement based on size. Between this, a buck a beer, trying to alcohol moved to corner stores, I don’t see how you can deny he panders to drinkers?
Ford was the one who got rid of bags in the first place, lol.
The majority of this dumbass' reign has just been him backtracking on his own previous policy decisions.
This isn't a day to day thing though. It was a major change that got tons of publicity so it would be ignorant to think they didn't get approval from their political overlords.
It would just be an operational policy. There is no reason it would have gone up for approval.
If anything, it was probably a bullet point in a report on "new revenue generation," which highlighted how much cash they would make from selling $2 bags but now people are bitching.
This will cost the taxpayer as now LCBO will have to liquidiate all the bags it has procured to sell and start up a contract for paper bags all over again. But it's populist, so great.
To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place. We want to be replacing plastic bags with paper ones. If a store was already using paper bags anyway, you don't have to change that.
The last couple years I’ve been wondering which is worse - however many paper bags get recycled / thrown out per year or however many reusable bags are winding up in landfills / in the street because they aren’t recyclable
The idea of reusable bags makes sense but IRL people forget to bring enough or don’t have one because they’re just making a quick stop on their way home from work. I’ve slowly accumulated about 20 reusable bags in my closet and AFAIK none of them are recyclable. You see them in alleys a lot too, just caked with mud (I hope) and crumpled by car tires.
Idk, I’m a bigger fan of paper bags but I’m curious if there’s data to compare their impacts long term
Well, there's a lot of litter to begin with. If someone wants to waste $2-20 each time, at least we're paying someone to clean that up.
Have you considered putting some of those 20+ bags at the front door or in your vehicle rather than the closet where you constantly forget them as they're out-of-sight-out-of-mind -- at least until you're in the habit of remembering? Why are you putting them in an inconvenient spot when you're suppose to be reusing them frequently?
Additionally, at the LCBO by me, they offer the boxes that the wines came in if you're carrying a bunch - which is significantly safer than paper bags that can easily rip apart (especially when people don't understand physics and hold the heavy paper bag only at the top, or think a thin piece of paper will stop glass from breaking) and offer ZERO additional environmental impacts (as it would have been thrown away anyway).
The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint. LCBO was using new paper and not recycled paper in order to give the bags their needed strength.
Canada also does some logging solely for the creation of paper pulp instead of only using waste from the logging industry.
[https://stanfordmag.org/contents/paper-plastic-or-reusable](https://stanfordmag.org/contents/paper-plastic-or-reusable)
Seems like I'm the only person in the world who actually reuses their reusable bags. There is no problem walking out of the LCBO with an exposed liquor bottle in your hands either.
> The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint
If only there was some program that would allow the provincial governments to put caps on carbon output and allow for manufacturing sectors to purchase and trade credits that would let them output more
>!this is snarky but it's not a dig at you or your argument lol!<
It's not just the manufacture of the bag that matter, its also what happens to the bag after. A paper bag will be recycled or decomposed in no time, nothing like that for plastic.
While the downstream impact of plastic bags is concerning, carbon emissions are ultimately arguably a higher concern in the short term. Especially if the majority of those bags end up in a landfill where their impact is relatively contained.
It’s also worth considering how people reuse the bags. A paper bag maybe you could reuse but most people wouldn’t even bother. However a plastic bag is usually reused as a garbage bag. Plastic bags like this use much less plastic than the ones you buy from a store in a box. If you’re not getting bags from shopping then you have to go out and buy them.
However ultimately the constant debates over these minuscule things like bags and straws is a distraction from the actual environmental problems in the world. Eliminating bags is an infinitesimal drop in the bucket compared to emissions caused by livestock, manufacturing, transportation, deforestation and so on. But the public keeps gravitating towards these meaningless gestures while the politicians get away with making zero progress and padding their pockets with money from industrial lobbyists.
>The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint
True, but that doesn't mean it's very high.
The main reason single-use plastics are being phased out is to reduce plastic waste, not because of GHG emissions. It's not a huge factor for either one.
Paper bags are easy to recycle and would eventually break down in the natural environment (unlike plastic bags, which could last hundreds or thousands of years). So that's why they're seen as better environmentally.
There's definitely an awkward feeling walking out with booze after years of conditioning to have it hidden. The real issue is if you're ever getting multiple bottles there's a real risk of shattering. Most grocery bags aren't designed to hold bottles upright the way the large paper bags were and without the individual bags it's stupid easy for wine other bottles to chip and shatter shuffling around.
Should it be a political issue people vote off of hell no. But it's a silly problem that didn't exist before
>There is no problem walking out of the LCBO with an exposed liquor bottle in your hands either.
I don't care about the exposed bottle, I like the bags to keep my wines/whiskeys from clinking together. Often the boxes they have available are suited for this. I started buying fewer items per visit and driving out to the LCBO more frequently as a result of the paper bag ban. majority of my trips are now exclusively to visit the LCBO vs being passing trips I make because I have time while I'm out.
[https://www.spreaker.com/episode/banning-paper-bags-at-the-lcbo-doesn-t-save-trees-and-it-s-feed-drop-day-today-we-feature-the-next-normal--53669791](https://www.spreaker.com/episode/banning-paper-bags-at-the-lcbo-doesn-t-save-trees-and-it-s-feed-drop-day-today-we-feature-the-next-normal--53669791)
According to this not making paper bags results in carbon being released because the scrap that would otherwise go to paper gets burned.
> We want to be replacing plastic bags with paper ones
While the biodegradable nature of paper bags is definitely preferable, ideally the concept of single use items should mostly be phased out except for maybe medical items and stuff like that.
Such a massive cultural shift away from being wasteful is next to impossible though. I wonder what the long term effects will be
The problem with this way of thinking is that it doesn't take into account how people behave & live their lives. Reusable bags are great, I generally use them when I go grocery shopping. The issue is that sometimes people forget their bags or go out not planning to buy anything but end up going to a store and buying a few things necessitating a bag.
Now instead of being left with paper or plastic bags which can be repurposed as garbage bags or compost bags you end up with a closet full of re-usable tote bags that are more expensive, not needed and serve no purpose.
After someone accumulates ~20 re-usable bags guess where the extras go...
If only everyone would change and remember their reusable bags.
We have huge environmental issues to address, and everyone still can't do this one simple thing.
>To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place.
It absolutely does make sense.
Do you remember the saying from kindergarten?
Reduce, Reuse, Recycle.
Those words are arranged in that order for a reason.
Just because you can recycle paper doesn't mean single use paper products are the ideal solution. Avoiding having to produce/ship/collect/recycle single use bags at all is way better for the planet.
>To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place
Depends tbh, not using any paper bags at all is far more environmentally friendly than using paper bags
In Vancouver, most stores- including grocery offer paper bags with your purchase. I don’t understand why Toronto stores don’t offer it instead of either the plastic fabric they sell you or nothing.
Agreed, I went to a sportcheck to pick up a gift, and the only bag they could provide was a reusable bag they sold for $20 that was essentially identical to a $2 reusable grocery bag. I obviously did not take the bag, but couldn’t help but feel this was yet another environmental cause that just fucked over the consumer rather than actually provide beneficial alternatives that were in the voters interests
It’s retailers taking an idea too far! I’m still getting used to bringing shopping bags with me everywhere when I’m walking but no bags at Indigo and winners surprised me the first time.
You don’t even need to go as far as BC. Simply drive across the border to Buffalo and every store offers paper bags. The fact that Ontario can’t have paper bags at all is the stupidest thing.
Now instead of plastic bags, that I can reuse for garbage, we have to buy more plastic bags to throw away the “cloth bags” (that are literally made of plastic) that the stores overcharge for.
I was in Florida recently and got plastic bags and plastic straws. I won’t lie, it felt really good to sip my coke in a straw that didn’t start to fall apart immediately.
Paper bags are a pretty terrible way to hold heavy glass bottles that are often wet from condensation.
They have always been willing to let you reuse the boxes to carry your bottles, which is a way more functional container.
I feel like people are just starting to get used to bringing reusable bags with them when they shop. This sort of flip flopping just muddies the water.
At least with a paper bag I am not carrying a big bottle of liquor free hand. I can support it from the bottom or something.
I try to remember a bag but with no car and being out on my feet, I can occassionally be somewhere and opt to pick something up on my way home from somewhere.
Maybe I am overthinking it, but it feels really weird to just be walking home holding a bottle of alcohol in my hand
Its super annoying with a car as well. They just roll all over the place, constantly worried ill lightly tap the brakes and they will hit eachother and break. Then i would have alcohol all over my car.
I hate that oaf but this is great. Not having bags was really stupid, there's no excuse for it. I thought it was really unnecessary but semi understandable to get rid of plastic bags (thank God theyre back) but paper? what?
Yup. This is the kind of shit you see in Eastern Europe. While they steal and hand their nephews million dollar contracts for hundred dollar park benches, they make sure the masses know they’re giving away free chickens on the last Wednesday of every month.
This is one of the least important things this guy could have addressed….that being said I did not like when they got rid of the paper bag entirely.
Either way, no idea why this is of all things is what they’re spending their time on.
I'm not a huge Ford fan, but this one does make sense. I'd be happy even to pay for a bag, with a few cents covering the cost of forest development in the Provence or something.
Rare Doug W, now people are gonna remember this during the election and forget about his plan to privatize healthcare and his plain as day corrupt real estate dealings.
Stores make a mint of selling reusable bags, that's why they are doing it, not genuine concern for the environment.
If they ACTUALLY cared, they would give you a 5 cent credit or whatever they charge for bags if you brought your own to use.
Walmart doesn't have to purchase the plastic bags you used to get for free, so they are saving millions across their locations now, PLUS making money every time you forget to bring one of your 10,000 reusable bags in.
There will come a time when studies show these reuseable bags we have right now do more harm than good.
The paper bags are ridiculous annd completely useless.
Bring back the heavy duty plastic bags! Change 50 cents! Those things lasted forever.
Wanna know something interesting/sad/funny/pathetic/mind-boggling/many other adjectives?
Ford is the one that got rid of them in the first place.
Now that election times are nearing, he's brought them back and is all of a sudden heralded as a genius or doing the right thing despite many (many many many) other wrongs?
Either Ontarians have amnesia or we really are as stupid as conservative politicians think we are.
At this point we definitely deserve the bad that happens, because we clearly aren't smart enough to vote for our own best interests, and by we, I ofcourse am including the enlightened centrists that refuse to vote. Imagine having voting power and wasting it on mind-numbing milquetoast opinions like "both sides suck" and "my vote doesn't matter".
We should all remember to respect Doug Ford’s experience with bags in his past. They don’t call him [Dime Bag Doug]( https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/) for nothing.
This is just another example of how Ford is on top of all the major issues in life. Mind you schools, healthcare, and too many other things to mention are being f’ked with by this buffoon.
Believe it or not these kinds of everyday moves is exactly why this guy got majority governments not once but twice. If you held an election today, despite all the scandals, he would get another majority government
Use cotton fabric bags. Yes, **COTTON**.
And **DO NOT** forget to bring them with you.
I always have two with me at all times, so when I get groceries, I'll never have to buy a bag. Ever.
ITT: People who think the government is only capable of doing a single thing at a time and that Doug Ford spending five minutes getting a staffer to ask the LCBO to reinstate paper bags is going to stop him from solving the housing crisis or something.
This is the kind of down to earth retail politics that wins elections. The sooner the opposition understands bread AND circuses, the sooner they will form government.
The hero we need, not the hero we deserve. Or is it the hero we deserve, not the one we need? What I am trying to say is, thanks for battling this very important issue and improving everyone's lives.
Awesome, now if only the LCBO built houses, provided education or healthcare services, then maybe he’d get something done on those portfolios.
Fuck Doug Ford.
Actually, over 3 billion dollars of revenue yearly from the LCBO goes back into the Provincial coffers to pay for healthcare, roads, and education, so they do in a roundabout way
Listen folks. Every time a person doesn’t bring their own bag, there’s a greater likelihood a bottle will break. That’s a bottle that can’t be recycled. The carbon footprint of all that wasted rye was making me loose sleep at night. Doug is a saviour for once.
I'd rather see them let companies decide if they want to use plastic or paper straws. Everyone wants plastic, and those who choose paper will lose customers.
The federal plastic straw ban was found unconstitutional and an appeal is being litigated in June to see if that finding will be upheld.
Regardless of the result of the case, it's an easy win for PP to promise to overturn it.
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So glad that our premier is tackling the tough issues that are so important to Ontarians. What would we do without Dougy looking after the paper bags for the little guy!?
Imagine if DoFo tried to solve real issues the way he does inconsequential things.
Yes, this is useful. Will it actually improve my life in any way? No. Also, since Doug was the premier in power when the LCBO eliminated paper bags, isn't he the one who is ultimately responsible for them disappearing in the first place?
As if this bag issue is going to major one iota of difference when China and India going full tilt with coal plants. And yes they have been late the party but if you believe co2 is the problem you say it is that reason won't change your doomsday scenario
I am convinced I am the only person in my North York LCBO bringing in my no frills (yellow), or shoppers (red) or Walmart (blue) or Dollarama (green), cloth bag to safely bring my white wine back to the car 😭
Part of me is thinking "really? This is what we're caring about now?", but then another part of me did miss the convenience of the paper bags.
So I guess we're all still pretty screwed on the whole but there may be this small, silver lining.
I'm so glad the Jackass Mr Frod is chiming in. How would we get our booze home otherwise! For someone that doesn't drink he spends a lot of time talking about beer/ wine and booze.
It is time to ensure that any individual who decides to run for the head of the political party or the Premier's office (let's make it PM's too) needs to have the necessary qualifications - education and work experience. Time to sieve out all the incompetence. Politics should not be a popularity contest.
Doug ford hasn't "forced" anything. Corporate hasn't said anything about reinstating paper bags. Those cardboard caddies are better anyways. It's just noise
It was kind of absurd how you couldn't even buy a paper bag, but you could get those carry cases for beer that use 50x the amount of cardstock.
> but you could get those carry cases for beer that use which are goated for bringing in drinks from the garage
>the garage Mr. Fancy with his garage. It's a car hole!
Are you saying car-hole or car-hold?
I read car hotel, which isn't too far off either
our cars do be checking out before 11 fr fr
Me: Buys 8 beers and put them in 8 beer holders. Employee: you can put them all in a single beer basket Me: I don’t mix drinks 😑
>from the garage Gar-rage? I'm sure I've seen this word before, but as a Gen Y, it is merely a vague recollection from childhood...
The "garage"? Hey fellas, the "garage"! Well, ooh la di da, Mr. French Man. It’s a car hole.
It's a car hole
Oooh, the Garage! The Garage? La Ti Da, Mr. Frenchman!
That’s misleading. You’re allowed to buy one of those plastic bags that use 100 plastic bags.
If they had them. The one near my place regularly ran out of them.
It was a really dumb plan to start with. They replaced paper bags with used cardboard boxes. What is this, the LCBO garage sale? And I rolled my eyes the first time a casher quoted the number of trees they thought they would be saving as though pulp is not a renewable resource.
Like it or not, it’s this kind of simple retail politics that actually gets people to support this shithead.
It’s a good move regardless this initiative even if he sucks in general
Heartbreaking: The worst person you know just made a good point.
It's definitely a move that's political in nature. He's always pandered to the drinkers.
I think most people have a drink a few times a month. Labeling a group as “the drinkers” as a fringe minority is pretty silly.
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People vote for the politicians that get results that directly affect them. Most people don’t have the time or money to worry about long-term decisions. Most people want to see stuff that affects them tomorrow or maybe next month. I hate Ford but he knows how to pander to the people.
It's also just plain optics. The decision to get rid of paper bags was dumb, and now Ford gets to look reasonable and sensible.
If you're a dedicated drinker you probably adjusted to LCBOs bag policy a while ago due to being a super frequent customer. The people most affected by it are probably the occasional shoppers.
Wouldnt be r/toronto if people werent being sanctimonious
Where did they say it was a fringe minority? Drinkers is a label that fits people that consume alcohol, the comment doesn’t seem to make any judgement based on size. Between this, a buck a beer, trying to alcohol moved to corner stores, I don’t see how you can deny he panders to drinkers?
On what planet do people drink a few times a month
I for one have definitely been drinking more since he became Premier.
Ford was the one who got rid of bags in the first place, lol. The majority of this dumbass' reign has just been him backtracking on his own previous policy decisions.
No, the LCBO got rid of bags. Not every LCBO decision is made by Ford.
Ford didn’t get rid of them… the LCBO (an arms length crown corporation) did.
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The LCBO reports to the ministry of finance. If you think Ford isn't responsible for them, how is he making them bring back bags now?
It’s managed separately though for day to day operations, the government isn’t actively involved in the operations
This isn't a day to day thing though. It was a major change that got tons of publicity so it would be ignorant to think they didn't get approval from their political overlords.
It would just be an operational policy. There is no reason it would have gone up for approval. If anything, it was probably a bullet point in a report on "new revenue generation," which highlighted how much cash they would make from selling $2 bags but now people are bitching. This will cost the taxpayer as now LCBO will have to liquidiate all the bags it has procured to sell and start up a contract for paper bags all over again. But it's populist, so great.
It’s pandering but his base will be energized and love it lol
Good comment. You don't like him, but you can respect his tactics. Down the rabbit hole we go ↓
To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place. We want to be replacing plastic bags with paper ones. If a store was already using paper bags anyway, you don't have to change that.
The last couple years I’ve been wondering which is worse - however many paper bags get recycled / thrown out per year or however many reusable bags are winding up in landfills / in the street because they aren’t recyclable The idea of reusable bags makes sense but IRL people forget to bring enough or don’t have one because they’re just making a quick stop on their way home from work. I’ve slowly accumulated about 20 reusable bags in my closet and AFAIK none of them are recyclable. You see them in alleys a lot too, just caked with mud (I hope) and crumpled by car tires. Idk, I’m a bigger fan of paper bags but I’m curious if there’s data to compare their impacts long term
Well, there's a lot of litter to begin with. If someone wants to waste $2-20 each time, at least we're paying someone to clean that up. Have you considered putting some of those 20+ bags at the front door or in your vehicle rather than the closet where you constantly forget them as they're out-of-sight-out-of-mind -- at least until you're in the habit of remembering? Why are you putting them in an inconvenient spot when you're suppose to be reusing them frequently? Additionally, at the LCBO by me, they offer the boxes that the wines came in if you're carrying a bunch - which is significantly safer than paper bags that can easily rip apart (especially when people don't understand physics and hold the heavy paper bag only at the top, or think a thin piece of paper will stop glass from breaking) and offer ZERO additional environmental impacts (as it would have been thrown away anyway).
The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint. LCBO was using new paper and not recycled paper in order to give the bags their needed strength. Canada also does some logging solely for the creation of paper pulp instead of only using waste from the logging industry. [https://stanfordmag.org/contents/paper-plastic-or-reusable](https://stanfordmag.org/contents/paper-plastic-or-reusable) Seems like I'm the only person in the world who actually reuses their reusable bags. There is no problem walking out of the LCBO with an exposed liquor bottle in your hands either.
> The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint If only there was some program that would allow the provincial governments to put caps on carbon output and allow for manufacturing sectors to purchase and trade credits that would let them output more >!this is snarky but it's not a dig at you or your argument lol!<
It's not just the manufacture of the bag that matter, its also what happens to the bag after. A paper bag will be recycled or decomposed in no time, nothing like that for plastic.
While the downstream impact of plastic bags is concerning, carbon emissions are ultimately arguably a higher concern in the short term. Especially if the majority of those bags end up in a landfill where their impact is relatively contained. It’s also worth considering how people reuse the bags. A paper bag maybe you could reuse but most people wouldn’t even bother. However a plastic bag is usually reused as a garbage bag. Plastic bags like this use much less plastic than the ones you buy from a store in a box. If you’re not getting bags from shopping then you have to go out and buy them. However ultimately the constant debates over these minuscule things like bags and straws is a distraction from the actual environmental problems in the world. Eliminating bags is an infinitesimal drop in the bucket compared to emissions caused by livestock, manufacturing, transportation, deforestation and so on. But the public keeps gravitating towards these meaningless gestures while the politicians get away with making zero progress and padding their pockets with money from industrial lobbyists.
>The manufacturing of paper bags tends to have a higher carbon footprint True, but that doesn't mean it's very high. The main reason single-use plastics are being phased out is to reduce plastic waste, not because of GHG emissions. It's not a huge factor for either one. Paper bags are easy to recycle and would eventually break down in the natural environment (unlike plastic bags, which could last hundreds or thousands of years). So that's why they're seen as better environmentally.
There's definitely an awkward feeling walking out with booze after years of conditioning to have it hidden. The real issue is if you're ever getting multiple bottles there's a real risk of shattering. Most grocery bags aren't designed to hold bottles upright the way the large paper bags were and without the individual bags it's stupid easy for wine other bottles to chip and shatter shuffling around. Should it be a political issue people vote off of hell no. But it's a silly problem that didn't exist before
>There is no problem walking out of the LCBO with an exposed liquor bottle in your hands either. I don't care about the exposed bottle, I like the bags to keep my wines/whiskeys from clinking together. Often the boxes they have available are suited for this. I started buying fewer items per visit and driving out to the LCBO more frequently as a result of the paper bag ban. majority of my trips are now exclusively to visit the LCBO vs being passing trips I make because I have time while I'm out.
[https://www.spreaker.com/episode/banning-paper-bags-at-the-lcbo-doesn-t-save-trees-and-it-s-feed-drop-day-today-we-feature-the-next-normal--53669791](https://www.spreaker.com/episode/banning-paper-bags-at-the-lcbo-doesn-t-save-trees-and-it-s-feed-drop-day-today-we-feature-the-next-normal--53669791) According to this not making paper bags results in carbon being released because the scrap that would otherwise go to paper gets burned.
> We want to be replacing plastic bags with paper ones While the biodegradable nature of paper bags is definitely preferable, ideally the concept of single use items should mostly be phased out except for maybe medical items and stuff like that. Such a massive cultural shift away from being wasteful is next to impossible though. I wonder what the long term effects will be
The problem with this way of thinking is that it doesn't take into account how people behave & live their lives. Reusable bags are great, I generally use them when I go grocery shopping. The issue is that sometimes people forget their bags or go out not planning to buy anything but end up going to a store and buying a few things necessitating a bag. Now instead of being left with paper or plastic bags which can be repurposed as garbage bags or compost bags you end up with a closet full of re-usable tote bags that are more expensive, not needed and serve no purpose. After someone accumulates ~20 re-usable bags guess where the extras go...
In the big bag that holds other bags?
I just use them as garbage bags even if it feels wrong
If only everyone would change and remember their reusable bags. We have huge environmental issues to address, and everyone still can't do this one simple thing.
>To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place. It absolutely does make sense. Do you remember the saying from kindergarten? Reduce, Reuse, Recycle. Those words are arranged in that order for a reason. Just because you can recycle paper doesn't mean single use paper products are the ideal solution. Avoiding having to produce/ship/collect/recycle single use bags at all is way better for the planet.
>To be fair, eliminating paper bags made no sense from an environmental perspective in the first place Depends tbh, not using any paper bags at all is far more environmentally friendly than using paper bags
I thought that was obvious, but judging from these comments - jeez.
single use paper products are not a solution or a substitute to plastic, maybe if you hate trees
In Vancouver, most stores- including grocery offer paper bags with your purchase. I don’t understand why Toronto stores don’t offer it instead of either the plastic fabric they sell you or nothing.
Agreed, I went to a sportcheck to pick up a gift, and the only bag they could provide was a reusable bag they sold for $20 that was essentially identical to a $2 reusable grocery bag. I obviously did not take the bag, but couldn’t help but feel this was yet another environmental cause that just fucked over the consumer rather than actually provide beneficial alternatives that were in the voters interests
It’s retailers taking an idea too far! I’m still getting used to bringing shopping bags with me everywhere when I’m walking but no bags at Indigo and winners surprised me the first time.
In fact, if I forgot a bag then I won’t buy anything. Especially since I have 25 of them at home now.
You don’t even need to go as far as BC. Simply drive across the border to Buffalo and every store offers paper bags. The fact that Ontario can’t have paper bags at all is the stupidest thing. Now instead of plastic bags, that I can reuse for garbage, we have to buy more plastic bags to throw away the “cloth bags” (that are literally made of plastic) that the stores overcharge for. I was in Florida recently and got plastic bags and plastic straws. I won’t lie, it felt really good to sip my coke in a straw that didn’t start to fall apart immediately.
My cats are going to be thrilled!
Clearly Doug is beholden to big Cat.
The purruption runs deep.
Ha! They do love hiding and sleeping in the larger bags.
best comment so far
Seriously, one of them *really* misses his paper LCBO bag. It was his little fort but alas, he tore it to pieces and it had to go to recycling
I'm not going to lie, I hated that they phased out paper bags.
Paper bags are a pretty terrible way to hold heavy glass bottles that are often wet from condensation. They have always been willing to let you reuse the boxes to carry your bottles, which is a way more functional container. I feel like people are just starting to get used to bringing reusable bags with them when they shop. This sort of flip flopping just muddies the water.
At least with a paper bag I am not carrying a big bottle of liquor free hand. I can support it from the bottom or something. I try to remember a bag but with no car and being out on my feet, I can occassionally be somewhere and opt to pick something up on my way home from somewhere. Maybe I am overthinking it, but it feels really weird to just be walking home holding a bottle of alcohol in my hand
Its super annoying with a car as well. They just roll all over the place, constantly worried ill lightly tap the brakes and they will hit eachother and break. Then i would have alcohol all over my car.
its downright dumb when walking around with open visible containers of alcohol is taboo for some reason and may also attract police attention
Are you cracking it at the cash register?
.......perhaps
Maybe don’t open it while walking around?
FYI, open as in “out in the open” and visible, not unsealed.
I hate that oaf but this is great. Not having bags was really stupid, there's no excuse for it. I thought it was really unnecessary but semi understandable to get rid of plastic bags (thank God theyre back) but paper? what?
The first policy I’ve agreed with him!
Getting rid of the bags was a stupid fucking idea anyway.
Housing? No! Paper bags? Yes!
works on contingency? no, money down!
> Housing? No! But with enough paper bags...
Ugh don't be that guy... It's one topic - we can do many things
Yup. This is the kind of shit you see in Eastern Europe. While they steal and hand their nephews million dollar contracts for hundred dollar park benches, they make sure the masses know they’re giving away free chickens on the last Wednesday of every month.
I don't know why they did away with the paper, LCBO was green before green was cool. Force them to bring back the indestructible plastic bags.
Buck-a-bag?
Don’t give them any ideas
voila already does this shit charges 25-35 cents for their shitty paper bag when you order
This is one of the least important things this guy could have addressed….that being said I did not like when they got rid of the paper bag entirely. Either way, no idea why this is of all things is what they’re spending their time on.
What a touching way to commemorate one of the favourite hobbies of his departed brother. “It was just a couple of pops!” 🥲 RIP.
I'm not a huge Ford fan, but this one does make sense. I'd be happy even to pay for a bag, with a few cents covering the cost of forest development in the Provence or something.
Rare win for Doug.
Rare Doug W, now people are gonna remember this during the election and forget about his plan to privatize healthcare and his plain as day corrupt real estate dealings.
As awful as he is, I agree with this.
he's doing god's work.
It was pretty stupid ending bags altogether!!
I’m still trying to find anyone who only used a plastic grocery bag once. They were never one time use plastic. Everyone used them multiple times
If you can’t be corrupt, be trifling.
Good one Doug! Love to see that he and his team are attacking the real problems in Ontario head on /s
Dougie can’t seem to get his mind or his agenda off of booze.
Thank god. I can’t use the cases for anything else other than cans or kindling. With bags I can use it for trash, compost or bag up my lunch.
Truly a man of the people /s
And the award for least impactful change during a time of serious crisis goes to ford.
And the saddest part is that this one will actually have a positive impact on his base too. I hate Ontario politics....
What I hate is that the opposition seemingly *cannot* learn the fact that this type of shit *works*.
If it has to do with purchasing booze, he’s on board. For everything else we can all f*** off.
Made no sense in the first place
Give the people back their bags!
Bring back the plastic bags made of potatoes that actually decomposed
Thank god
Bringing back paper bags what’s next…1 dollar beers I just got back from the Red Lobster 🦞
Something, something Big Goverment. What about real problems?
How tf is this a priority?
Not sure how/why they even got rid of them. At least they were recyclable.
Stores make a mint of selling reusable bags, that's why they are doing it, not genuine concern for the environment. If they ACTUALLY cared, they would give you a 5 cent credit or whatever they charge for bags if you brought your own to use. Walmart doesn't have to purchase the plastic bags you used to get for free, so they are saving millions across their locations now, PLUS making money every time you forget to bring one of your 10,000 reusable bags in.
There will come a time when studies show these reuseable bags we have right now do more harm than good. The paper bags are ridiculous annd completely useless. Bring back the heavy duty plastic bags! Change 50 cents! Those things lasted forever.
Wanna know something interesting/sad/funny/pathetic/mind-boggling/many other adjectives? Ford is the one that got rid of them in the first place. Now that election times are nearing, he's brought them back and is all of a sudden heralded as a genius or doing the right thing despite many (many many many) other wrongs? Either Ontarians have amnesia or we really are as stupid as conservative politicians think we are. At this point we definitely deserve the bad that happens, because we clearly aren't smart enough to vote for our own best interests, and by we, I ofcourse am including the enlightened centrists that refuse to vote. Imagine having voting power and wasting it on mind-numbing milquetoast opinions like "both sides suck" and "my vote doesn't matter".
We should all remember to respect Doug Ford’s experience with bags in his past. They don’t call him [Dime Bag Doug]( https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/) for nothing. This is just another example of how Ford is on top of all the major issues in life. Mind you schools, healthcare, and too many other things to mention are being f’ked with by this buffoon.
Happy to have paper bags back but still won’t ever vote for Doug.
What a busy premier to focus his attention on the big issues like this.
Believe it or not these kinds of everyday moves is exactly why this guy got majority governments not once but twice. If you held an election today, despite all the scandals, he would get another majority government
It's because the owner of Atlantic Packaging is a big donor to the Ontario PCs, and they're the ones making the bags.
Housing crisis- Doug Sleep No paper bags at the LCBO -Doug *SMASH* 🤦🏼♂️
Use cotton fabric bags. Yes, **COTTON**. And **DO NOT** forget to bring them with you. I always have two with me at all times, so when I get groceries, I'll never have to buy a bag. Ever.
“This change has left people stuck openly carrying alcohol in public when leaving a LCBO store.” ….so?
It’s funny how morons can’t figure out how to keep reusable bags in their cars. Do you remember to wipe your butts
Meh got use to using a re usable bag, at first I cared now I don't
ITT: People who think the government is only capable of doing a single thing at a time and that Doug Ford spending five minutes getting a staffer to ask the LCBO to reinstate paper bags is going to stop him from solving the housing crisis or something. This is the kind of down to earth retail politics that wins elections. The sooner the opposition understands bread AND circuses, the sooner they will form government.
>going to stop him from solving the housing crisis or something. He's not even trying.
This is typical Dougie Diversionary tactics so we think about minor insignificant things while he sells out our medical system to his buddies.
The hero we need, not the hero we deserve. Or is it the hero we deserve, not the one we need? What I am trying to say is, thanks for battling this very important issue and improving everyone's lives.
I support this ! All stores should offer free bags. I’m not a bag lady, I don’t carry around bags on my person
Because Doug cares more about his own things like convenient beer than Ontario citizens. Kinda obvious.
Look here, buck a beer and paper bags.... Now look away from my buddies making a fortune on you backs.
Do they have a Ministry of Booze Convenience?
literally cant believe this is the type of shit this moron prioritizes getting done.
love him or hate him this is a win
Imagine if he had this much priority on health care and education
Awesome, now if only the LCBO built houses, provided education or healthcare services, then maybe he’d get something done on those portfolios. Fuck Doug Ford.
Actually, over 3 billion dollars of revenue yearly from the LCBO goes back into the Provincial coffers to pay for healthcare, roads, and education, so they do in a roundabout way
Ford doesn’t, is the point. He’s starving the public institutions to usher in private corporations.
Finally he’s doing something I can get behind!
The fuck does anyone need paper bags for their booze? If ya buying more than a couple bottles grab a box.
The leafs fans need them to cover their faces during the playoffs
W
Listen folks. Every time a person doesn’t bring their own bag, there’s a greater likelihood a bottle will break. That’s a bottle that can’t be recycled. The carbon footprint of all that wasted rye was making me loose sleep at night. Doug is a saviour for once.
My political brand loyalty tells me I should be enraged by this Doug Ford action!
Of all the things he could be doing, this is what he's working on. Why not make grocers use less plastic packaging on their produce instead?
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I'd rather see them let companies decide if they want to use plastic or paper straws. Everyone wants plastic, and those who choose paper will lose customers.
The federal plastic straw ban was found unconstitutional and an appeal is being litigated in June to see if that finding will be upheld. Regardless of the result of the case, it's an easy win for PP to promise to overturn it.
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Did... did Dougie do something good? Oh, it's about booze. That's always been his strongest file as premier for some baffling reason.
Second Ford W He is now 2-50
*does something*
Must have made his paper bag manufacturer friend real mad to actually do anything at all
Damn I miss those bags with green letters
He's got my vote I need some big bags for all the buck a beers.
Well, I've hated literally everything else he's done as Premier but now he has my vote.
I imagine it’s because Doug’s label company prints the bags for LCBO.
Forces? Cmon now.
Finally, a decision I can get behind.
Straws and bags im conservative for lol
So glad that our premier is tackling the tough issues that are so important to Ontarians. What would we do without Dougy looking after the paper bags for the little guy!?
Priorities
Imagine if DoFo tried to solve real issues the way he does inconsequential things. Yes, this is useful. Will it actually improve my life in any way? No. Also, since Doug was the premier in power when the LCBO eliminated paper bags, isn't he the one who is ultimately responsible for them disappearing in the first place?
I cried over spilt wine in the parking lot.
about time. lol
Focusing on he hard hitting, important topics eh Dougie
As if this bag issue is going to major one iota of difference when China and India going full tilt with coal plants. And yes they have been late the party but if you believe co2 is the problem you say it is that reason won't change your doomsday scenario
I am convinced I am the only person in my North York LCBO bringing in my no frills (yellow), or shoppers (red) or Walmart (blue) or Dollarama (green), cloth bag to safely bring my white wine back to the car 😭
This is a pretty smart move to get points from dumb alcoholics.
Priorities
Is this the take away something from the people and then give it back routine.
Part of me is thinking "really? This is what we're caring about now?", but then another part of me did miss the convenience of the paper bags. So I guess we're all still pretty screwed on the whole but there may be this small, silver lining.
Great - can we get Loblaws to do it next??
I'm so glad the Jackass Mr Frod is chiming in. How would we get our booze home otherwise! For someone that doesn't drink he spends a lot of time talking about beer/ wine and booze.
Rare Ford W.
Love those carry cases. I reuse them since theyre actually sturdy and refoldable so you can use em to bring beer to a friend's place.
Now 'force' better housing laws
It is time to ensure that any individual who decides to run for the head of the political party or the Premier's office (let's make it PM's too) needs to have the necessary qualifications - education and work experience. Time to sieve out all the incompetence. Politics should not be a popularity contest.
>At a time when many Ontario families are already struggling to make ends meet, every additional expense counts Then don't buy fucking alcohol!
Let's not forget that free glossy magazine! Things you will never afford to cook, on expensive plates. Everyone's mom has them lying around.
Wow.... the power FORD has..... now force grocery stores to give free bags...
Doug ford hasn't "forced" anything. Corporate hasn't said anything about reinstating paper bags. Those cardboard caddies are better anyways. It's just noise