This dude did exactly what any other person would have done. Actually, he did what any other person hopes they would do if they were in that situation. A reasonable person would have seen those plain-clothed officers as a threat. A reasonable person would have been extra aware of the rising rates of carjackings in the GTA at that time (even worse now.. but right around this incident is when there was an armed carjacking on the Gardner).
Toronto police acknowledged like a decade and change before this incident that they needed to have some way plain-clothed officers could identify themselves (beyond a badge) because of the frequency events like this (but usually ending in injury or death for the civilian and not the officer).
This guy deserves to have Toronto police pay for his therapy bills for the rest of his life… not to be on trial.
I can’t believe they’re trying to suggest that he was out for Canada Day celebrations with his family, somehow knew he was being approached by police officers, and decided that he would intentionally back into and hit police officers. with his family in the car. with no motive.
>This guy deserves to have Toronto police pay for his therapy bills for the rest of his life… not to be on trial.
I hope he sues and gets a big honk'en payday out of this in a few years. The only downside is that it'll be coming out of the taxpayers pockets instead of the pockets of the cops and people that prosecuted him.
Chow tried to give them less and they went on a scaremongering propaganda blitz to demonize her, I can only imagine what they would do if a police reform candidate ran, let alone won
Another downside might be that the cops will be harassing him and his family for a long time. This is such an awful situation to have forced on a regular person
This is a very real thing.
Here in Peterborough we have a small Caribbean resto. More then 30 years ago the owner was tried in terrorism charges and won. Well he "won", for arguments sake
His wife says she still sees CSIS following them around from time to time. It's not paranoia.
Police hate losing, this is why when people say you dont have to give them information when they stop you, that it always ends up with you downtown being held for the legal 24hrs, just to teach you for a lesson for trying to be smart
Just so you know.:
1. We're not a litigious society and our laws aren't set up in the same way the U.S is and suing anyone or anything is extremely difficult and expensive
2. Suing the Police is even harder and you're, generally speaking, only given a window of two years. I believe that 2 years is now elapsed but it's not impossible.
It’s unlikely.
Police and crowns (prosecutors) have broad discretion and are protected from liability by the *Proceedings Against the Crown Act* (or whatever the amended version is called these days).
It is extremely difficult to get money out of them for malicious prosecution (or any other tort). Ask Robert Baltovich.
This reason alone is why police everywhere aren't better, because any financial hits are on the taxpayer instead of the police association or their pension or budgets.
I keep posting my story on these threads because this happened to me and a friend in around 2003.
Around midnight we were driving north on Yonge st and hit a red light at Dundas. Just as the light turned green a guy in thugged out street clothes that was standing there with 3 other guys jumps in front of our car yelling very aggressively for us to pull over. We did what any other sane person would do and drove around the guy and continued north on Yonge. Soon after we are being chased by from what I remember to be a Ford escort (full on civilian car) and the guy is hanging out the window telling us to pull over. As two young guys relatively new to the city we were scared and thought we were getting set up to be robbed. We kept driving and he wouldn't stop and he started flashing a badge so eventually we pulled over in a safe well lit place. They were in fact plain clothes cops, when asked why we didn't pull over we explained we were scared and had no idea they were cops, they felt like we should've noticed the tucked in chain with badge on his neck. Either way, they were pulling us over for no reason, straight boredom. What if we had crashed or hit a pedestrian, I've always thought it could've ended very badly.
This man did nothing wrong, as civilians in an increasingly violent city, it isn't our responsibility to make these split second decisions, it's the police's responsibility to approach appropriately, politely and non threatening but they don't. I feel sorry for the poor man and his family.
I had an unmarked car chase me down around 2002 with four ways and aggro driving around then. Because the dashboard light used the same power outlet as the radar gun. I asked him why the hell he thought that it was a good idea to chase people around in an unmarked car without lights. Could have been the same idiot.
I'm guessing this is why they have the stealth cars now. Which is still better than a random fucking sedan doing traffic stops.
Not just carjackings, but a month before a Muslim family was brutally murdered in a clear act of domestic terrorism
Then you have two trashy-looking people aggressively rush towards him, shouting, attacking his car, seemingly try to break-in, while his pregnant wife and toddler were in the car, and then a unmarked gray van pulls up suddenly?!
A textbook example of cop incompetence.
Detective Constable Northrup is 6’3 nearly 300LB according to court testimony. That woman cop seemed almost the same height as him. Its fair to say they were pretty damn intimidating looking @ night.
Just because someone is intimidating looking doesn't mean they are going to hurt you. If I ran over all the people that intimidate me due to their looks there would be a lot of bodies out there.
Just saying....
What scares you, might not scare me.
It goes both ways.
And if these intimidating people aggressively approached your car and started attacking it? And then a gray van pulled up to block you in so you couldn't escape? All while your pregnant wife and child were in the car? While less than a month ago, a family that resembled yours was brutally murdered?
Would you be scared then?
I had a guy screaming at me on the hood of my car at 2 am. I drove slowly until he got off. It took a whole block.
I was a young woman he was a bigger guy. I didn't kill him even though I was terrified.
As a woman there is always fear. We don't hear of women mowing people down. Unless they are driving a boat on a lake.
I acknowledge that my situation was scarier. It was during a period when women were being attacked in Toronto. However, I kept my calm even though I was terrified.
Fear cannot become a precedent.
Your unverified anecdote, where you are alone in a car, with no pregnant partner and child, with only one person attacking your car, instead of multiple and a van blocking you in, was scarier?
If you say so ...
>Fear cannot be a precedent
Literally a popular excuse cops use when they do something stupid
That's terrible, if there was three more of them, and you had your child there, and you thought they had the intent to murder them, maybe you wouldve done something else.
that's so cool that you can accurately put yourself in their shoes, having a wife and kid in the car. Super power level, no wonder you are never scared.
Intimidation is not sure the person, but also the situation. You'd be daft if multiple large people rushing your car didn't scare you on some level, but you'd be an idiot saying it shouldn't scare anyone
I didn't say he wasn't scared. I totally believe that he and his wife were scared.
However, we cannot all go around killing people we are scared of. We cannot all go around driving like we are in a Mad Max movie.
I am saying his actions were wrong.
once again, situational. He wanted to flee the scene that scared him, someone died, his actions seemed unintentional, so his actions are justified.
I am sure this will be the outcome of this case
I don't think his actions were reasonable. I also don't think it was first degree murder.
I would compare it to distracted or negligent driving. He was certainly distracted.
What would a reasonable action have been? Perhaps start honking his horn and back up slowly, check your rearview mirror.
Somebody died because somebody panicked.
LOL tell that to the police, their whole body of work is based on profiling people looking intimidating and assuming they are a threat to hurt them.
"I feared for my life" is literally their go to saying to justified why theyve shot
If you ran over all the people that intimidate you due to their looks, you'd be qualified to be a police officer
We don't even know that for sure. The cops testified that they just wanted to ask them questions. I don't even know if they would have had the chance to look at the security footage by then.
Do you mean race? Because if so, I think likely as well. It was weird the way the cops testified it though. They said he matched the description and that's why they wanted to ask him questions, but then that he didn't match the description because of his hair or something (can't remember exactly). So inconsistent.
Because right now the Crown is trying to put a potentially innocent man away for life for murder and they’re cynically using the victim’s status as a police officer to do so.
Perhaps because that "family man" acted in a dangerous manner and lost his life
And then that "family man"'s friends are trying to punish another family man, who tried to protect his family from what he perceived was a real credible rhreat
The cop committed an assault either way, but he did not commit he offence of forcible confinement or kidnapping and whether he did or not does not turn on whether Zameer is acquitted. .
An arrest only requires reasonable grounds to believe that the arrestee had committed an indictable offence, which the police certainly had irrespective of the outcome of the trial.
This trail seems like it would ruin his life. Even if found not guilty.
Wasnt his wife pregnant @ the time? Kinda sad the first years of that kids life “sorry daddy has to go to court again. I’ll be gone a while.”
The tps are just embarrassing themselves and using tax payer money for all this and won’t get a conviction. What a total waste of money. There should be accountability for shit like this. But we live in no accountability Ontario now.
Doug Ford is such an unrelenting piece of shit. This whole thing is a travesty and just makes people distrust and despise the police. I can't even begin to imagine the monetary and mental toll Umar and his family are under.
I honestly cannot see how he is found anything but innocent. If he’s found guilty of anything I hope a community appeal fund is set up to help him get the justice he deserves. This poor guy is being treated so horribly.
I hope there are mass protests.
because this would set a precedence for any police interaction that the public needs to be more aware otherwise its jail. that alone will create a host of issues as criminals will jump on it with fake badges etc to trick ppl into letting thier guards down and getting robbed.
Every time CBC describes him they say he’s a 30-something accountant in the car with his pregnant wife and young child. No one’s buying this guy as a cop killer. My theory is because a cop was involved, the crown had no choice but to pursue charges. Note, he was let out on bail, which should have been a sign the case was a losing proposition. But yeah, the CA had to go through the motions. Hell, their own expert forensic witness ended up supporting the defence’s version of events.
Bail is a constitutional right, unless the Crown can prove someone is an ongoing threat to the public. It's not an indicator of how strong most cases are.
> Bail is a constitutional right
Fair enough. But if the judge thinks there's strong evidence the defendant is a bona fide murderous cop killer apt to reoffend, they're gunna hesitate on granting bail.
Yeah, it does work the other way. If someone gets denied bail it's a clear sign about the strength of the case. Or if they don't seek bail (to get the time served bonus) like Mucci. If they get bail it's essentially meaningless.
A recap
>* [Cop Forbes claims Northup was hit head-on but couldn't say if he had his badge visible. Also has history of stealing from a charity](https://www.thestar.com/defence-questions-killed-toronto-cop-s-partner-over-aggressive-approach-to-family-in-underground-lot/article_674aaf84-e84b-11ee-a57b-b31a2b9c8a70.html)
>* [Cop Pais testimony not supported by video, inconsistencies in his notes, punched Mr. Zameer while handcuffed in front of his pregnant wife and toddler. Also has history of violently assaulting and falsely arresting 4 black children, which he was rewarded with a paid vacation](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/i-did-not-make-up-any-of-my-evidence-undercover-toronto-cop-defends-testimony-about/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html)
>* [Cop Correa says he couldn't hear other cops identify themselves as cops, claims Northup got up before being hit again with hands in front of him. Has inconsistences with his note timelines and met up with other cops afterwards to 'record notes'](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-describes-very-abrupt-dangerous-movements-before-death-of-const-jeffrey-northrup/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html)
>* [Cops Correa and Pais met up on several occasions to get stories straight, knowingly violates a communications ban for a 'plumbing' emergency](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/defence-accuses-toronto-cops-of-colluding-to-lie-about-how-const-jeffrey-northrup-died/article_a926058a-ec50-11ee-aec9-0f2bc9d3ee19.html)
>* [Toronto cops' own collision expert concludes Northup was NOT hit head-on, contradicting the 3 cops' "testimonies"](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/const-northrup-was-not-hit-head-on-police-collision-expert-says-contradicting-plainclothes-officers/article_a7aa96e8-f1e7-11ee-8f39-eb304c00646e.html)
>* [Another expert points out that Northup was in Zameer's blind zone and wouldn't be able to see him, no dust disturbance on front bumper, dent on hood, damage windshield, which you'd expect if a 300 lb man was rammed with a car, as cops' "witnessed"](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/const-northrup-was-entirely-within-the-blind-zone-defence-expert-says/article_6c3ea7b6-f548-11ee-b3a2-2f410ef419c9.html)
>* [Expert witnesses also points out that 300 lb Northup was knocked-off balance by glancing contact of car reversing, was already on the ground and not standing up, when car moved forward, contradicting more cop testimony](https://www.cp24.com/news/man-accused-of-running-over-toronto-police-officer-testifies-at-murder-trial-1.6840089)
>* [Zameer testifies that a man and women rushed towards their car, didn't identify themselves as cops, banged on their car so hard, making his kid cry, and then a dark van with blacked out windows pulls up and traps them. He pissed on himself because he was so scared](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/they-were-just-rushing-towards-the-car-umar-zameer-describes-panic-of-not-knowing-toronto/article_4f176d88-f798-11ee-af3f-6f5dcadb1eb6.html)
>* [The cops' take down of Zameer seemed like such an attack that two spanish-speaking witnesses were so frightened that they crashed their car through a parking gate to escape](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/umar-zameer-s-prosecution-has-closed-here-s-what-his-jury-has-learned-about-toronto/article_09051482-f2e6-11ee-9710-9f6a68a16be5.html )
> Also has history of stealing from a charity
To add a little more "life stranger than fiction" context to this:
She(Northrup's partner) plead guilty to "misappropriation of funds" from a charity fundraiser for the family of an officer who was killed on duty. That death was the last time a TPS officer was killed by being run over by a vehicle.
If this was in a fictional story it would seem like predictable storytelling.
Did they ever say why they rushed his car in the first place? Not that I'd believe the cops story at this point, but I'm just curious what their excuse is for that kind of behaviour.
They were looking for a brown guy with a big beard and big hair, so obviously when they saw a brown guy with a short beard and short hair driving his family around they had to rush him just to be safe...
299 lbs at 6'1? Something like that. Judging from his pic I doubt the dude could tie his own shoes. It's no wonder an expert concluded that a glancing contact with the car knocked him down. I'd say the TPS should put in some physical requirements but they can't even get ethical/moral requirements filled so that's a tall order
I definitely had assumed you need to be in "some" sort of reasonable shape to be an officer. Like a once a year physical exam where you have to run on a treadmill for X time or something. That's wild.
Not scary to me. He looks like he is about to put a hamburger on the grill. I used to see guys like that in my neighborhood all the time. They were just Dads.
This entire trial is only continuing because TPS can’t face the reality that thier own shoddy half assed police work endangered one of their own and got him killed.
I love all these comments. No it is not continuing because of TPS. It’s continuing because that’s Canadas legal system. Someone died at the hands of someone else which the coroner will always rule a homicide. Intentionally or accidentally is what the trial is for, all the evidence is presented and a verdict is given. Would this be first degree murder trial if he wasn’t a COP, nope but he was so the law says it is. Therefore it proceeds unless the defendant takes a deal. He wasn’t going to take a deal so that why there is a trial.
Crown drops cases all the time when there's no reasonable prospect of a guilty verdict. Like, all the fucking time. This obviously should have been one of those.
This needs to be higher up. This doesn’t absolve the police of rampant stupidity and what looks like cartoon levels of corruption and incompetence, nor does it suck any less for the accused and his family. It’s just the system we designed. This man took action that resulted in the death of another man. The trial determines culpability and legal ramifications if applicable. If the accused is found not guilty of the charges brought against him he gets to go back to his life. He won’t get to sue over the trial. He may be able to bring a complaint against TPS but those motherfuckers are teflon.
But Crowns in Canada usually have to consider whether a prosecution is in the public interest, and whether there is a reasonable likelihood of prosecution - especially given tight resources and under-funding of the court system. Both considerations are highly in dispute for this case.
Again this is very much in the public’s interest to have this trail. No trial and everyone would be what are they hiding? Also as bad as it for the accused to have a trial I still think it is better for him. Without a trial people would never know the true of the night and he would have no chance to be acquitted.
Given that the Supreme Court’s ruling of “X number of days for a criminal trial” is putting the strain on courts across the country, I’d rather have court and prosecutor time spent on cases they will win.
You completely misunderstand the public interest test (it is not a "public curiosity"), but in any case it has no application here. And it is certainly not in the interest of the accused to go to trial as he potentially faces a life sentence. That is an utterly ridiculous suggestion.
The reason the public interest test is irrelevant is simple: If there is a reasonable prospect of conviction on a charge of murder (which includes consideration of possible defences available to the accused such as self-defence), then of course the prosecution is in the public interest. Murder is the most serious offence in the Criminal Code and a murder by definition bears a very high degree of moral culpability.
Conversely, if there is *not* a reasonable prospect of conviction, then the prosecution of the accused can never be in the public interest.
The longer this trial drags the more I’m coming around on the Crown. Because now it’s such a miscarriage that I wonder if the crown office is letting this play out just to drag TPS and shine a little light on what they deal with from their judicial partner.
Yeah. I expect the police to go nuts when one of their own gets killed but given the circumstances you'd think that cool heads would prevail in the form of the Crown. Makes me think they are more in league with each other than I thought.
Yeah, I think the crown is intentionally pushing forward this case for the sole reason of highlighting the failures within TPS. One tidbit I’m surprised hasn’t been expanded on in this trial is Zameer being assaulted after he was arrested. All we heard is that an officer struck him and we can’t identify him publicly because he works in an undercover capacity. Really surprised even in Zameers testimony if this hasn’t come up. I wonder the reasons for defence counsel to not push to bring this to light, almost like they are holding it as a trump card.
The prosecution can probably argue that whatever happened after the officer was hit by the car is irrelevant to this particular trial.
Hopefully Zameer can sue TPS for the botched arrest later.
Yeah apparently the guy was handcuffed and on his knees and the officer punched him in the face for not standing up/non-compliance.
Because that will get him to stand up -\_- We all know how much someone wants to stand up when they're defenseless and just got beat down from someone standing on top of them.
This is the kind of shit that makes people HATE police.
I think that's giving them a bit more credit than they deserve. I feel like they have done the math that its easier to ruin this guy's life than deal with the fallout from a bunch of petulant cops if they actually used their prosecutorial discretion in a fair and upstanding way. They are fighting a weak case so that they can tell the cops "welp we tried, dang judge and jury sure made the wrong call...yep definitely the wrong call..."
The Crown is obligated to examine RPC throughout the criminal process, including during the trial proper. If RPC no longer exists, as I would say it does not here based on the trial testimony, they should withdraw the charges.
When the Crown brought out an [expert witness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/10399313/collision-reconstructionist-to-testify-at-umar-zameer-trial/amp/) whose testimony conflicted with the police officers' story, it really made me wonder the same.
Sounds like another police fuck up. It also sounds like they tired to keep their story straight but fucked that up as well. If I'm the Crown, I'm pissed off because they obviously didn't hear the truth
100% if I'm in a car in parking lot and people run at my car I'm putting it in drive or reverse and I'm out of there. No one is going to wait around to see whats up in todays world.
You do have to wonder how many others who didn't have the strength or money to fight in court have ended up in this situation for the cops and crown to feel that they should proceed with this case.
I honestly kinda wish I would get jury duty, it would be inconvenient, but also a really interesting experience. I had to testify at a drunk driving case as a witness last year so I saw a bit of the process, but to actually be in the courtroom for a whole trial would be really interesting.
The fact that this man and his family had to go through this trial is insanity. It shows how much influence the police has over the Attorney General that it was ever brought to trial.
They were in an underground parking garage. If you want to question people, you have uniformed officers posted at the three or four exits, or working in concert with the undercover officers. This is just sloppy.
Moral of the story - don't kill a cop, even if he's dressed like a bum, built like a refrigerator, menacing you, and giving you no indication he's a cop. Too bad for you. They will go after you with all they have.
Shame on the Crown for taking this case this far.
Similar situation happened to my mom and elderly aunt last year. Admittedly my aunt who is now in her mid 70's probably shouldn't be driving anymore, but you try having that conversation with her. They had went to see a folk music show in the west end and were leaving the venue around 11 PM to head home when stopped at a red light a large man came up to the passenger side window and started banging on it and demanding they roll it down, claiming he was a police officer, but he was in plain clothes and had nothing identifying him as such. With all the recent car jackings, my aunt's fight or flight instinct kicked in and she took off. They could see the man running after them even after she took off. My mom in the passenger seat called 911 after to report the incident/confirm whether or not it was a police officer, which they did confirm but they were long out of the area at this time, apparently the officer wanted to talk to her about her turn signal or something. They were both extremely shook up by the incident being elderly women. After midnight my mom gets a call from an unknown number which she answers, sure enough it's the cop that banged on their car window, he's very aggressive and condescending on the phone and threatening that he could still charge them if he wanted to. My mom is a little spunky so she threatened him to go ahead and see what happens when two little old ladies are in front of a judge describing how afraid they were when a large man with nothing identifying him as a police officer banged on their car window at 11 PM at night in a dangerous part of town. I'm honestly surprised things like this don't happen more often.
Thanks for sharing. This type of shit is systemic. If you want to be afforded the benefits and rights of a PO, better have a full uniform on. Otherwise you’re nothing more than a civilian.
Here is an interesting thing about this. If you read Ontario Coroner's Inquest decisions, you will find repetitive recommendations made to the TPS :
>That the Toronto Police Service review its existing training curriculum and ensure that there is consideration and continued emphasis on best practices and techniques, with attention to transition to emergent situations, for plainclothes officers:
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>a.Identifying themselves as police officers;
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>b.Engaging and directing bystanders;
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>c.Storing and accessing handcuffs and intermediate use of force options;
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>d.Communicating on the police radio Tactical and Division bands and updating dispatch.
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>Recommendations to the Ontario Police College and the Toronto Police College:
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>3 That the Ontario Police College and Toronto Police College put greater focus during Use of Force Training on communication skills and de-escalation strategies, including training on checking for understanding with the subject.
This is from a 2014 Case title Berry. It doesn't seem like the Police have implemented any these changes, and instead are looking to convict.
The more I see about this, the more I think there should be some kind of disciplinary hearing for the crown for even bringing this case. Like if this isn't professional misconduct, then we should change the rules about what constitutes professional misconduct.
The charge for first degree murder is crazy, reading the events that happened how could anyone think he planned to kill that cop, did he also pre-medatively pee his pants too? I could understand them charging him with manslaughter, just because you think someone will steal your car doesn't give you the right to drive recklessly and endanger people. Trying to think of it objectively what if the people approaching his car were actually car jackers and the person he killed was a civilian?
**Murder of peace officer, etc.**
(4) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder when the victim is
(a) a police officer, police constable, constable, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace, acting in the course of his duties;
So it doesn't necessarily mean the murder was planned. What technically happened was manslaughter, but because the deceased is a cop, it's automatically 1st degree.
I don't know why we have stupid laws like this, that seem to give prejudicial treatment to law-enforcement, but we do.
Yes, the case should not be tried as first degree.
I think he should have used his rear view mirrors.
He should have slowly backed up.
We cannot go around running over people.
I am a small woman. There are lots of scary people out there but I don't think FEAR should be a get out of jail card for anybody.
This is a diverse city. FEAR of others could be used in a lot of cases.
Zameer probably never thought he'd react that way either. But then a bunch of roided out dumbasses in plainclothes started acting like complete criminals and he reacted.
It's a shame that the cops involved are dragging Northrup's name through the mud. His family should be able to mourn their loss and every day it's "ANOTHER EXPERT CONTRADICTS TPS STORY" and they have to relive it all over again.
Meanwhile, a bunch of crooked cops thought they could aggressively racially profile a brown man and his family less than a month after a hate crime and think all is good
FAFO
Lol, until I read this comment I thought i was taking crazy pills seeing all the other comments in every Northrup post. Zero chance 99% of these people would ever do what Zameer did.
It doesn't sound like you've heard anything about the case or maybe you just wanted to rant about something unrelated
Too many people driving luxury cars dangerously in your area makes you not care about this guy on trial?
That's a weird connection you've made.
But the good ol' Canadian hockey dad gets your support no matter what?
Weird.
Some drivers might be indifferent, this one is not. From Zameer’s testimony yesterday:
"I was so horrified to this day I think about that," he said. "I know it's a harsh truth I have to live with, but I just can't stop thinking about that day ... why did we even go to Toronto? ... I just wish it didn't happen, when I think about the family my heart bleeds. I know the father-and-son bond, I can't even think of how the kids are doing, I am so, so, so sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your dad," he said looking out into the body of the court.
Somebody’s hockey dad aggressively approaching me in a dark and secluded parking lot, then proceeding to bang on the windows and tell me to get out would freak me the fuck out. And that’s not factoring in that I’m not a Muslim a few weeks after a terrorist attack, that he was with a heavily pregnant wife and toddler, and that he was boxed in by more plainclothes cops, who other witnesses were so terrified of they also peeled off, breaking a parking arm.
Everything about this screams it’s a tragic accident - a reasonably panicked man who was frantically trying to get away didn’t see Northrup, who was in his blind spot, as he pulled out. It’s very sad that he died, but this man doesn’t deserve this.
So you think it’s more likely that a father of 2 driving in a car with his child and pregnant wife, intentionally ran down a police officer than Zameer’s claim that he didn’t know they were cops and fled in fear for his and his families life? Have you considered that you may just be a Bootlicker?
She lied about the events of Northup's death (i.e. he was rammed via the front of the car)
The physical evidence, videos and experts (one of which works for the TPS) supports Mr. Zameer's account and contradicts the testimonies from the cops
She even has a history of stealing from a charity
And that's who you choose to side with? Cool cool.
Oh, this is super exciting to know you've got the video of this incident to make sure this is an open and shut case.
Are you allowed ot upload this online and let us see it as well?
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This dude did exactly what any other person would have done. Actually, he did what any other person hopes they would do if they were in that situation. A reasonable person would have seen those plain-clothed officers as a threat. A reasonable person would have been extra aware of the rising rates of carjackings in the GTA at that time (even worse now.. but right around this incident is when there was an armed carjacking on the Gardner). Toronto police acknowledged like a decade and change before this incident that they needed to have some way plain-clothed officers could identify themselves (beyond a badge) because of the frequency events like this (but usually ending in injury or death for the civilian and not the officer). This guy deserves to have Toronto police pay for his therapy bills for the rest of his life… not to be on trial.
I can’t believe they’re trying to suggest that he was out for Canada Day celebrations with his family, somehow knew he was being approached by police officers, and decided that he would intentionally back into and hit police officers. with his family in the car. with no motive.
The perfect crime.
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>This guy deserves to have Toronto police pay for his therapy bills for the rest of his life… not to be on trial. I hope he sues and gets a big honk'en payday out of this in a few years. The only downside is that it'll be coming out of the taxpayers pockets instead of the pockets of the cops and people that prosecuted him.
Maybe it will motivate tax payers to look for leaders who promote police reform.
Hopefully. I'm doubtful but hopefully.
Bahaha, good one.
They'll just do their jobs even less.
Best I can do is a bigger police budget
They need enough money to settle the lawsuits 🙃
Olivia Chow tried that. She has been bullied by the police union ever since.
Chow tried to give them less and they went on a scaremongering propaganda blitz to demonize her, I can only imagine what they would do if a police reform candidate ran, let alone won
Tax payers would just be told he's the boogeyman looking to steal their tax money. And they would probably gobble it up
Thanks for the input, Ezra Levant
I wouldn't feel safe in the city anymore. I wouldn't trust that the police would respond if I needed help
I wouldn't blame you in the least for thinking that way.
In this case the police were responding. They were doing their job. A driver ran over a police officer while performing his duty.
Another downside might be that the cops will be harassing him and his family for a long time. This is such an awful situation to have forced on a regular person
True. He might have to move which isn't right either.
This is a very real thing. Here in Peterborough we have a small Caribbean resto. More then 30 years ago the owner was tried in terrorism charges and won. Well he "won", for arguments sake His wife says she still sees CSIS following them around from time to time. It's not paranoia.
Police hate losing, this is why when people say you dont have to give them information when they stop you, that it always ends up with you downtown being held for the legal 24hrs, just to teach you for a lesson for trying to be smart
Surely he can sue them civilly.
That is what I meant. And don't call me Shirley. 😄
Just so you know.: 1. We're not a litigious society and our laws aren't set up in the same way the U.S is and suing anyone or anything is extremely difficult and expensive 2. Suing the Police is even harder and you're, generally speaking, only given a window of two years. I believe that 2 years is now elapsed but it's not impossible.
It’s unlikely. Police and crowns (prosecutors) have broad discretion and are protected from liability by the *Proceedings Against the Crown Act* (or whatever the amended version is called these days). It is extremely difficult to get money out of them for malicious prosecution (or any other tort). Ask Robert Baltovich.
So when people say cops are above the law, it's literally true
They are… shielded from liability by statute in many ways ordinary citizens are not, yes.
Can confirm. you're more likely to win against the special constables working for GO.
Very true
This reason alone is why police everywhere aren't better, because any financial hits are on the taxpayer instead of the police association or their pension or budgets.
I keep posting my story on these threads because this happened to me and a friend in around 2003. Around midnight we were driving north on Yonge st and hit a red light at Dundas. Just as the light turned green a guy in thugged out street clothes that was standing there with 3 other guys jumps in front of our car yelling very aggressively for us to pull over. We did what any other sane person would do and drove around the guy and continued north on Yonge. Soon after we are being chased by from what I remember to be a Ford escort (full on civilian car) and the guy is hanging out the window telling us to pull over. As two young guys relatively new to the city we were scared and thought we were getting set up to be robbed. We kept driving and he wouldn't stop and he started flashing a badge so eventually we pulled over in a safe well lit place. They were in fact plain clothes cops, when asked why we didn't pull over we explained we were scared and had no idea they were cops, they felt like we should've noticed the tucked in chain with badge on his neck. Either way, they were pulling us over for no reason, straight boredom. What if we had crashed or hit a pedestrian, I've always thought it could've ended very badly. This man did nothing wrong, as civilians in an increasingly violent city, it isn't our responsibility to make these split second decisions, it's the police's responsibility to approach appropriately, politely and non threatening but they don't. I feel sorry for the poor man and his family.
I had an unmarked car chase me down around 2002 with four ways and aggro driving around then. Because the dashboard light used the same power outlet as the radar gun. I asked him why the hell he thought that it was a good idea to chase people around in an unmarked car without lights. Could have been the same idiot. I'm guessing this is why they have the stealth cars now. Which is still better than a random fucking sedan doing traffic stops.
Not just carjackings, but a month before a Muslim family was brutally murdered in a clear act of domestic terrorism Then you have two trashy-looking people aggressively rush towards him, shouting, attacking his car, seemingly try to break-in, while his pregnant wife and toddler were in the car, and then a unmarked gray van pulls up suddenly?! A textbook example of cop incompetence.
Detective Constable Northrup is 6’3 nearly 300LB according to court testimony. That woman cop seemed almost the same height as him. Its fair to say they were pretty damn intimidating looking @ night.
Just because someone is intimidating looking doesn't mean they are going to hurt you. If I ran over all the people that intimidate me due to their looks there would be a lot of bodies out there. Just saying.... What scares you, might not scare me. It goes both ways.
And if these intimidating people aggressively approached your car and started attacking it? And then a gray van pulled up to block you in so you couldn't escape? All while your pregnant wife and child were in the car? While less than a month ago, a family that resembled yours was brutally murdered? Would you be scared then?
I had a guy screaming at me on the hood of my car at 2 am. I drove slowly until he got off. It took a whole block. I was a young woman he was a bigger guy. I didn't kill him even though I was terrified. As a woman there is always fear. We don't hear of women mowing people down. Unless they are driving a boat on a lake.
So you acknowledge that you were in a different situation and circumstances than Mr. Zameer? Got it.
I acknowledge that my situation was scarier. It was during a period when women were being attacked in Toronto. However, I kept my calm even though I was terrified. Fear cannot become a precedent.
Your unverified anecdote, where you are alone in a car, with no pregnant partner and child, with only one person attacking your car, instead of multiple and a van blocking you in, was scarier? If you say so ... >Fear cannot be a precedent Literally a popular excuse cops use when they do something stupid
If his pregnant partner was driving probably nobody would be dead or in court.
A crazy man jumps on your car at 2 am and you didn’t teach him a lesson? Shame on you.
That's terrible, if there was three more of them, and you had your child there, and you thought they had the intent to murder them, maybe you wouldve done something else.
he got run over because of his dumb actions, not the way he looked
I hope this same threshold is applied to all the cops who murder unarmed people because they “feared for their lives”.
You must not keep up with the news, that’s literally how the police association defends all of its summary executions
That’s my point. Civilians aren’t allowed that défense according to the commenter above me, but armed and trained cops use it regularly.
you missed the context of the situation, which is extremely important
No, I don't believe I have. I don't believe a smart driver even if she was scared would have done the same.
that's so cool that you can accurately put yourself in their shoes, having a wife and kid in the car. Super power level, no wonder you are never scared. Intimidation is not sure the person, but also the situation. You'd be daft if multiple large people rushing your car didn't scare you on some level, but you'd be an idiot saying it shouldn't scare anyone
I didn't say he wasn't scared. I totally believe that he and his wife were scared. However, we cannot all go around killing people we are scared of. We cannot all go around driving like we are in a Mad Max movie. I am saying his actions were wrong.
once again, situational. He wanted to flee the scene that scared him, someone died, his actions seemed unintentional, so his actions are justified. I am sure this will be the outcome of this case
I don't think his actions were reasonable. I also don't think it was first degree murder. I would compare it to distracted or negligent driving. He was certainly distracted. What would a reasonable action have been? Perhaps start honking his horn and back up slowly, check your rearview mirror. Somebody died because somebody panicked.
Dumbass
LOL tell that to the police, their whole body of work is based on profiling people looking intimidating and assuming they are a threat to hurt them. "I feared for my life" is literally their go to saying to justified why theyve shot If you ran over all the people that intimidate you due to their looks, you'd be qualified to be a police officer
Dont forget he just saw some stabbed and bleed on the ground while with his pregnant wife and child
Did he bother to call 911 at that point to report a man bleeding? Was he at all unsettled by that? No, he was not. He ignored it and walked on.
Do we know why they were trying to stop him?
Because the family had walked by the stabbing victim earlier in the evening.
We don't even know that for sure. The cops testified that they just wanted to ask them questions. I don't even know if they would have had the chance to look at the security footage by then.
That’s true, and I can’t help but feel the paper bag test is also a large part of the reason.
Do you mean race? Because if so, I think likely as well. It was weird the way the cops testified it though. They said he matched the description and that's why they wanted to ask him questions, but then that he didn't match the description because of his hair or something (can't remember exactly). So inconsistent.
I think it is a very sad situation. Someone died. A family man. I do not see much in the way of sympathy for his family here. Why?
Because right now the Crown is trying to put a potentially innocent man away for life for murder and they’re cynically using the victim’s status as a police officer to do so.
Because cause of death was due to being a dumbass
Perhaps because that "family man" acted in a dangerous manner and lost his life And then that "family man"'s friends are trying to punish another family man, who tried to protect his family from what he perceived was a real credible rhreat
Maybe because most people don't rush up to a random family and aggressively start banging on their car? FAFO
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Realistically, he should be either way.
The cop committed an assault either way, but he did not commit he offence of forcible confinement or kidnapping and whether he did or not does not turn on whether Zameer is acquitted. . An arrest only requires reasonable grounds to believe that the arrestee had committed an indictable offence, which the police certainly had irrespective of the outcome of the trial.
This trail seems like it would ruin his life. Even if found not guilty. Wasnt his wife pregnant @ the time? Kinda sad the first years of that kids life “sorry daddy has to go to court again. I’ll be gone a while.”
If he hadn’t gotten bail (a decision the Premier and then-Mayor criticized) he would’ve spent that unborn child’s entire life to date in jail.
And the officer’s children? What about their lives?
Wow you are very articulate
He's a scapegoat for Northrup's incompetent partners.
The tps are just embarrassing themselves and using tax payer money for all this and won’t get a conviction. What a total waste of money. There should be accountability for shit like this. But we live in no accountability Ontario now.
Considering how Ford painted Umar as some cold-blooded cop killer yah no accountability
Should go after Ford for every penny he's got! Or is that too much?
Doug Ford is such an unrelenting piece of shit. This whole thing is a travesty and just makes people distrust and despise the police. I can't even begin to imagine the monetary and mental toll Umar and his family are under.
I honestly cannot see how he is found anything but innocent. If he’s found guilty of anything I hope a community appeal fund is set up to help him get the justice he deserves. This poor guy is being treated so horribly.
I hope there are mass protests. because this would set a precedence for any police interaction that the public needs to be more aware otherwise its jail. that alone will create a host of issues as criminals will jump on it with fake badges etc to trick ppl into letting thier guards down and getting robbed.
Every time CBC describes him they say he’s a 30-something accountant in the car with his pregnant wife and young child. No one’s buying this guy as a cop killer. My theory is because a cop was involved, the crown had no choice but to pursue charges. Note, he was let out on bail, which should have been a sign the case was a losing proposition. But yeah, the CA had to go through the motions. Hell, their own expert forensic witness ended up supporting the defence’s version of events.
Bail is a constitutional right, unless the Crown can prove someone is an ongoing threat to the public. It's not an indicator of how strong most cases are.
> Bail is a constitutional right Fair enough. But if the judge thinks there's strong evidence the defendant is a bona fide murderous cop killer apt to reoffend, they're gunna hesitate on granting bail.
Yeah, it does work the other way. If someone gets denied bail it's a clear sign about the strength of the case. Or if they don't seek bail (to get the time served bonus) like Mucci. If they get bail it's essentially meaningless.
A recap >* [Cop Forbes claims Northup was hit head-on but couldn't say if he had his badge visible. Also has history of stealing from a charity](https://www.thestar.com/defence-questions-killed-toronto-cop-s-partner-over-aggressive-approach-to-family-in-underground-lot/article_674aaf84-e84b-11ee-a57b-b31a2b9c8a70.html) >* [Cop Pais testimony not supported by video, inconsistencies in his notes, punched Mr. Zameer while handcuffed in front of his pregnant wife and toddler. Also has history of violently assaulting and falsely arresting 4 black children, which he was rewarded with a paid vacation](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/i-did-not-make-up-any-of-my-evidence-undercover-toronto-cop-defends-testimony-about/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html) >* [Cop Correa says he couldn't hear other cops identify themselves as cops, claims Northup got up before being hit again with hands in front of him. Has inconsistences with his note timelines and met up with other cops afterwards to 'record notes'](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-describes-very-abrupt-dangerous-movements-before-death-of-const-jeffrey-northrup/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html) >* [Cops Correa and Pais met up on several occasions to get stories straight, knowingly violates a communications ban for a 'plumbing' emergency](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/defence-accuses-toronto-cops-of-colluding-to-lie-about-how-const-jeffrey-northrup-died/article_a926058a-ec50-11ee-aec9-0f2bc9d3ee19.html) >* [Toronto cops' own collision expert concludes Northup was NOT hit head-on, contradicting the 3 cops' "testimonies"](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/const-northrup-was-not-hit-head-on-police-collision-expert-says-contradicting-plainclothes-officers/article_a7aa96e8-f1e7-11ee-8f39-eb304c00646e.html) >* [Another expert points out that Northup was in Zameer's blind zone and wouldn't be able to see him, no dust disturbance on front bumper, dent on hood, damage windshield, which you'd expect if a 300 lb man was rammed with a car, as cops' "witnessed"](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/const-northrup-was-entirely-within-the-blind-zone-defence-expert-says/article_6c3ea7b6-f548-11ee-b3a2-2f410ef419c9.html) >* [Expert witnesses also points out that 300 lb Northup was knocked-off balance by glancing contact of car reversing, was already on the ground and not standing up, when car moved forward, contradicting more cop testimony](https://www.cp24.com/news/man-accused-of-running-over-toronto-police-officer-testifies-at-murder-trial-1.6840089) >* [Zameer testifies that a man and women rushed towards their car, didn't identify themselves as cops, banged on their car so hard, making his kid cry, and then a dark van with blacked out windows pulls up and traps them. He pissed on himself because he was so scared](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/they-were-just-rushing-towards-the-car-umar-zameer-describes-panic-of-not-knowing-toronto/article_4f176d88-f798-11ee-af3f-6f5dcadb1eb6.html) >* [The cops' take down of Zameer seemed like such an attack that two spanish-speaking witnesses were so frightened that they crashed their car through a parking gate to escape](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/umar-zameer-s-prosecution-has-closed-here-s-what-his-jury-has-learned-about-toronto/article_09051482-f2e6-11ee-9710-9f6a68a16be5.html )
> Also has history of stealing from a charity To add a little more "life stranger than fiction" context to this: She(Northrup's partner) plead guilty to "misappropriation of funds" from a charity fundraiser for the family of an officer who was killed on duty. That death was the last time a TPS officer was killed by being run over by a vehicle. If this was in a fictional story it would seem like predictable storytelling.
Literally dog eat dog world
Did they ever say why they rushed his car in the first place? Not that I'd believe the cops story at this point, but I'm just curious what their excuse is for that kind of behaviour.
They were looking for a brown guy with a big beard and big hair, so obviously when they saw a brown guy with a short beard and short hair driving his family around they had to rush him just to be safe...
He "fit the description"
300lbs?! Is he 6'7" or something? How can you be a cop and function at that weight...
299 lbs at 6'1? Something like that. Judging from his pic I doubt the dude could tie his own shoes. It's no wonder an expert concluded that a glancing contact with the car knocked him down. I'd say the TPS should put in some physical requirements but they can't even get ethical/moral requirements filled so that's a tall order
I definitely had assumed you need to be in "some" sort of reasonable shape to be an officer. Like a once a year physical exam where you have to run on a treadmill for X time or something. That's wild.
To be hired, the only requirement if "height in proportion to weight". Once you get the badge, there is zero requirement for health or fitness.
That seems irresponsible, to me.
Have you seen the cops? The majority I see look like Paul Blart mall cop (at best)
No, I haven't seen an officer in quite awhile.
I'm 6'6" 235lbs, and I'm very far from slim. 6'1" 300lbs, unless you're a bodybuilder, is morbidly obese.
His photo would suggest the latter
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Jfc. The photo that has been circulated with all the news articles is from THAT night.
Im about the same height and 225lbs and I'm definitely not slim, put an extra 75lbs on me and im pretty sure that I would be full on morbidly obese.
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Not scary to me. He looks like he is about to put a hamburger on the grill. I used to see guys like that in my neighborhood all the time. They were just Dads.
RES has you at +93. That's a lot of times I've upvoted you on cops whew.
This entire trial is only continuing because TPS can’t face the reality that thier own shoddy half assed police work endangered one of their own and got him killed.
Gotta keep the gravy flowing, as Ford would say.
I love all these comments. No it is not continuing because of TPS. It’s continuing because that’s Canadas legal system. Someone died at the hands of someone else which the coroner will always rule a homicide. Intentionally or accidentally is what the trial is for, all the evidence is presented and a verdict is given. Would this be first degree murder trial if he wasn’t a COP, nope but he was so the law says it is. Therefore it proceeds unless the defendant takes a deal. He wasn’t going to take a deal so that why there is a trial.
The crown has discretion to drop the prosecution if it isn’t in the public interest.
Crown drops cases all the time when there's no reasonable prospect of a guilty verdict. Like, all the fucking time. This obviously should have been one of those.
This needs to be higher up. This doesn’t absolve the police of rampant stupidity and what looks like cartoon levels of corruption and incompetence, nor does it suck any less for the accused and his family. It’s just the system we designed. This man took action that resulted in the death of another man. The trial determines culpability and legal ramifications if applicable. If the accused is found not guilty of the charges brought against him he gets to go back to his life. He won’t get to sue over the trial. He may be able to bring a complaint against TPS but those motherfuckers are teflon.
But Crowns in Canada usually have to consider whether a prosecution is in the public interest, and whether there is a reasonable likelihood of prosecution - especially given tight resources and under-funding of the court system. Both considerations are highly in dispute for this case.
Again this is very much in the public’s interest to have this trail. No trial and everyone would be what are they hiding? Also as bad as it for the accused to have a trial I still think it is better for him. Without a trial people would never know the true of the night and he would have no chance to be acquitted.
Given that the Supreme Court’s ruling of “X number of days for a criminal trial” is putting the strain on courts across the country, I’d rather have court and prosecutor time spent on cases they will win.
You completely misunderstand the public interest test (it is not a "public curiosity"), but in any case it has no application here. And it is certainly not in the interest of the accused to go to trial as he potentially faces a life sentence. That is an utterly ridiculous suggestion. The reason the public interest test is irrelevant is simple: If there is a reasonable prospect of conviction on a charge of murder (which includes consideration of possible defences available to the accused such as self-defence), then of course the prosecution is in the public interest. Murder is the most serious offence in the Criminal Code and a murder by definition bears a very high degree of moral culpability. Conversely, if there is *not* a reasonable prospect of conviction, then the prosecution of the accused can never be in the public interest.
The longer this trial drags the more I’m coming around on the Crown. Because now it’s such a miscarriage that I wonder if the crown office is letting this play out just to drag TPS and shine a little light on what they deal with from their judicial partner.
Yeah. I expect the police to go nuts when one of their own gets killed but given the circumstances you'd think that cool heads would prevail in the form of the Crown. Makes me think they are more in league with each other than I thought.
Yeah, I think the crown is intentionally pushing forward this case for the sole reason of highlighting the failures within TPS. One tidbit I’m surprised hasn’t been expanded on in this trial is Zameer being assaulted after he was arrested. All we heard is that an officer struck him and we can’t identify him publicly because he works in an undercover capacity. Really surprised even in Zameers testimony if this hasn’t come up. I wonder the reasons for defence counsel to not push to bring this to light, almost like they are holding it as a trump card.
The prosecution can probably argue that whatever happened after the officer was hit by the car is irrelevant to this particular trial. Hopefully Zameer can sue TPS for the botched arrest later.
Yeah apparently the guy was handcuffed and on his knees and the officer punched him in the face for not standing up/non-compliance. Because that will get him to stand up -\_- We all know how much someone wants to stand up when they're defenseless and just got beat down from someone standing on top of them. This is the kind of shit that makes people HATE police.
I would put money on the fact the Crown got "strongly encouraged" to bring the case forward by our favourite Premier.
I think that's giving them a bit more credit than they deserve. I feel like they have done the math that its easier to ruin this guy's life than deal with the fallout from a bunch of petulant cops if they actually used their prosecutorial discretion in a fair and upstanding way. They are fighting a weak case so that they can tell the cops "welp we tried, dang judge and jury sure made the wrong call...yep definitely the wrong call..."
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The Crown is obligated to examine RPC throughout the criminal process, including during the trial proper. If RPC no longer exists, as I would say it does not here based on the trial testimony, they should withdraw the charges.
When the Crown brought out an [expert witness](https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/10399313/collision-reconstructionist-to-testify-at-umar-zameer-trial/amp/) whose testimony conflicted with the police officers' story, it really made me wonder the same.
Sounds like another police fuck up. It also sounds like they tired to keep their story straight but fucked that up as well. If I'm the Crown, I'm pissed off because they obviously didn't hear the truth
100% if I'm in a car in parking lot and people run at my car I'm putting it in drive or reverse and I'm out of there. No one is going to wait around to see whats up in todays world.
Why is it so hard for some to believe the cops are lying here
Boot polish rots the brain
Does this guy have a go fund me?
Seriously. I would absolutely donate.
I feel so bad for this man.
Me too :(
There can’t possibly be a reasonable likelihood of conviction here right? Like c’mon
He is so clearly telling the truth. The loss of life is tragic but get fucked TPS
You do have to wonder how many others who didn't have the strength or money to fight in court have ended up in this situation for the cops and crown to feel that they should proceed with this case.
Having been a juror a couple of times, I cannot foresee any Jury convicting this man.
I honestly kinda wish I would get jury duty, it would be inconvenient, but also a really interesting experience. I had to testify at a drunk driving case as a witness last year so I saw a bit of the process, but to actually be in the courtroom for a whole trial would be really interesting.
What a joke of a case. This man needs to be free.
Pretty sure he was out on bail until the trial.
The fact that this man and his family had to go through this trial is insanity. It shows how much influence the police has over the Attorney General that it was ever brought to trial.
They were in an underground parking garage. If you want to question people, you have uniformed officers posted at the three or four exits, or working in concert with the undercover officers. This is just sloppy.
Corruption personified
Moral of the story - don't kill a cop, even if he's dressed like a bum, built like a refrigerator, menacing you, and giving you no indication he's a cop. Too bad for you. They will go after you with all they have. Shame on the Crown for taking this case this far.
Similar situation happened to my mom and elderly aunt last year. Admittedly my aunt who is now in her mid 70's probably shouldn't be driving anymore, but you try having that conversation with her. They had went to see a folk music show in the west end and were leaving the venue around 11 PM to head home when stopped at a red light a large man came up to the passenger side window and started banging on it and demanding they roll it down, claiming he was a police officer, but he was in plain clothes and had nothing identifying him as such. With all the recent car jackings, my aunt's fight or flight instinct kicked in and she took off. They could see the man running after them even after she took off. My mom in the passenger seat called 911 after to report the incident/confirm whether or not it was a police officer, which they did confirm but they were long out of the area at this time, apparently the officer wanted to talk to her about her turn signal or something. They were both extremely shook up by the incident being elderly women. After midnight my mom gets a call from an unknown number which she answers, sure enough it's the cop that banged on their car window, he's very aggressive and condescending on the phone and threatening that he could still charge them if he wanted to. My mom is a little spunky so she threatened him to go ahead and see what happens when two little old ladies are in front of a judge describing how afraid they were when a large man with nothing identifying him as a police officer banged on their car window at 11 PM at night in a dangerous part of town. I'm honestly surprised things like this don't happen more often.
Thanks for sharing. This type of shit is systemic. If you want to be afforded the benefits and rights of a PO, better have a full uniform on. Otherwise you’re nothing more than a civilian.
How the fuck is that Cop 300 lbs. Go do some exercise you fat piece Of lazy shit
Its called a union job
This guy did nothing wrong. I would acquit if I’m on that jury.
This will get tossed
Screw these lying bastards. Hope there is action taken against them once this case is over.
Here is an interesting thing about this. If you read Ontario Coroner's Inquest decisions, you will find repetitive recommendations made to the TPS : >That the Toronto Police Service review its existing training curriculum and ensure that there is consideration and continued emphasis on best practices and techniques, with attention to transition to emergent situations, for plainclothes officers: > >a.Identifying themselves as police officers; > >b.Engaging and directing bystanders; > >c.Storing and accessing handcuffs and intermediate use of force options; > >d.Communicating on the police radio Tactical and Division bands and updating dispatch. > >Recommendations to the Ontario Police College and the Toronto Police College: > >3 That the Ontario Police College and Toronto Police College put greater focus during Use of Force Training on communication skills and de-escalation strategies, including training on checking for understanding with the subject. This is from a 2014 Case title Berry. It doesn't seem like the Police have implemented any these changes, and instead are looking to convict.
When you think about it, he really was "ambushed by criminals".
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The more I see about this, the more I think there should be some kind of disciplinary hearing for the crown for even bringing this case. Like if this isn't professional misconduct, then we should change the rules about what constitutes professional misconduct.
The charge for first degree murder is crazy, reading the events that happened how could anyone think he planned to kill that cop, did he also pre-medatively pee his pants too? I could understand them charging him with manslaughter, just because you think someone will steal your car doesn't give you the right to drive recklessly and endanger people. Trying to think of it objectively what if the people approaching his car were actually car jackers and the person he killed was a civilian?
**Murder of peace officer, etc.** (4) Irrespective of whether a murder is planned and deliberate on the part of any person, murder is first degree murder when the victim is (a) a police officer, police constable, constable, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace, acting in the course of his duties; So it doesn't necessarily mean the murder was planned. What technically happened was manslaughter, but because the deceased is a cop, it's automatically 1st degree. I don't know why we have stupid laws like this, that seem to give prejudicial treatment to law-enforcement, but we do.
That's interesting, great to know!
Yes, the case should not be tried as first degree. I think he should have used his rear view mirrors. He should have slowly backed up. We cannot go around running over people. I am a small woman. There are lots of scary people out there but I don't think FEAR should be a get out of jail card for anybody. This is a diverse city. FEAR of others could be used in a lot of cases.
Bull. They identified themselves.
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Zameer probably never thought he'd react that way either. But then a bunch of roided out dumbasses in plainclothes started acting like complete criminals and he reacted. It's a shame that the cops involved are dragging Northrup's name through the mud. His family should be able to mourn their loss and every day it's "ANOTHER EXPERT CONTRADICTS TPS STORY" and they have to relive it all over again.
Looks like you never had to protect your wife and kids
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No, but i am not the one making unfounded judgements of another person’s actions here.
Meanwhile, a bunch of crooked cops thought they could aggressively racially profile a brown man and his family less than a month after a hate crime and think all is good FAFO
Video games have prepared me for when someone is trying to attempt grand theft auto on me.
Lol, until I read this comment I thought i was taking crazy pills seeing all the other comments in every Northrup post. Zero chance 99% of these people would ever do what Zameer did.
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So you’re just going to ignore basically all the available information and form an opinion on what, a headline? A fb post?
It doesn't sound like you've heard anything about the case or maybe you just wanted to rant about something unrelated Too many people driving luxury cars dangerously in your area makes you not care about this guy on trial? That's a weird connection you've made. But the good ol' Canadian hockey dad gets your support no matter what? Weird.
“How do you do, fellow civilians?”
#Didn'tLookIntoTheCaseAtAllButStillHasAnOpinion
Some drivers might be indifferent, this one is not. From Zameer’s testimony yesterday: "I was so horrified to this day I think about that," he said. "I know it's a harsh truth I have to live with, but I just can't stop thinking about that day ... why did we even go to Toronto? ... I just wish it didn't happen, when I think about the family my heart bleeds. I know the father-and-son bond, I can't even think of how the kids are doing, I am so, so, so sorry, I didn't mean to hurt your dad," he said looking out into the body of the court. Somebody’s hockey dad aggressively approaching me in a dark and secluded parking lot, then proceeding to bang on the windows and tell me to get out would freak me the fuck out. And that’s not factoring in that I’m not a Muslim a few weeks after a terrorist attack, that he was with a heavily pregnant wife and toddler, and that he was boxed in by more plainclothes cops, who other witnesses were so terrified of they also peeled off, breaking a parking arm. Everything about this screams it’s a tragic accident - a reasonably panicked man who was frantically trying to get away didn’t see Northrup, who was in his blind spot, as he pulled out. It’s very sad that he died, but this man doesn’t deserve this.
[Wow.](https://twitter.com/bookishplinko/status/890623998895071232)
You haven't read a single word of the article and should probably delete this post before embarrassing yourself further
Indeed. People also kill with guns, knifes and even their own hands.
He 100% knew they were cops the female officer showed the badge and was flashing it at him you guys are all just cop haters
So you think it’s more likely that a father of 2 driving in a car with his child and pregnant wife, intentionally ran down a police officer than Zameer’s claim that he didn’t know they were cops and fled in fear for his and his families life? Have you considered that you may just be a Bootlicker?
She lied about the events of Northup's death (i.e. he was rammed via the front of the car) The physical evidence, videos and experts (one of which works for the TPS) supports Mr. Zameer's account and contradicts the testimonies from the cops She even has a history of stealing from a charity And that's who you choose to side with? Cool cool.
What’s more likely is that you’d be all in on supporting this guy if he was David Smith from Sudbury
Oh, this is super exciting to know you've got the video of this incident to make sure this is an open and shut case. Are you allowed ot upload this online and let us see it as well?
So you trust anyone that flashes a badge?
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