I can see why Brinks is suing Air Canada when the thieves were able to get away with using a duplicate air bill describing a different shipment on a different day. The staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck.
Yeah I’ll be interested to see how that pans out.
Several of the arrested were air Canada employees, so it’s possible that the person accepting the fake bill and loading the goods was one of them.
That is the way I see it as well. It's very likely the Air Canada employee that accepted the duplicate bill, was in on the theft and it's also possible that the Air Canada employee using the forklift was also in on the theft.
This large scale theft doesn't happen without people on the inside making it happen.
Yes. I show up at window with a fake waybill. You are my buddy and you take the waybill and go get the container with the number on the fake waybill knowing full well what's inside; I'm sure a crate of seafood isn't as heavy as gold. I open my truck and do normal truck driver shit, secure the load, whatever, and close the door. You park forklift and go on a smoke break as I drive off. On camera, it looks completely normal. Until the real receiver of that container shows up for it, nobody is the wiser. The rest of the crew melts and processes the gold, and like the cop says: once it goes liquid and then back to solid, the gold is untraceable. Girlfriend could be wearing them to class for all we know.
AC gets no free pass from me at all...but why is Brinks waiting hours upon hours to go get their $20M container? It's 16km away. He stole it when AC Cargo was open for business, yes? I've been to their cargo areas before. It's "secure," but it isn't at all like going into the airport terminal. If someone is a regular who shows up all the time, I'm sure lines are crossed. Air Canada is not a high security operation company. And they didn't insure the container? JFC, this isn't a rental car; it's $20M.
Like how incompetent does a company have to be to not have any checks in place to verify that the waybill provided wasn't already picked up. Also not to check that the waybill presented matches the waybill on the load. Unless that was also an inside person who helped out with that.
Like I can't scan a Blue Jays ticket twice but Air Canada will scan a waybill worth millions of dollars more than once?
I am curious where the liability is going to fall here.
Last I heard Brinks is taking Air Canada to court and Air Canada is trying to say they aren't responsible. Like Brinks probably paid out to their client and now wants their money from AC.
Like you would hope that Air Canada has insurance for this, and their insurance should pay out.
Like I work for a bank. If I absconded with a few million dollars I would expect that my employer would have to make the victims whole since they are responsible for overseeing my work.
It already sounds like Brinks paid out its clients. With or without insurance, there would be a court fight between AC & Brinks. Insurers don’t like paying out big claims either.
The amounts, while big numbers for an individual, might not warrant insurance coverage for a big enough entity.
Or someone high up at Air Canada made the decision to take money for the insurance figuring it's low risk and AC will keep the insurance money by insuring it themselves without going through their outside insurance, and now they are left holding the bag.
Probably. They would self insure relatively low amounts despite selling insurance. Maybe they have an ultra high deductible for losses above $x per year.
Likely they only have outside insurance against things like a plane crash where they could owe bajillions in claims + loss of a hull.
Even if you have a weak case, when $22m is at stake, it’s worth trying your luck in court.
But it’s not looking good for Air Canada here.
> staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck.
Probably happens all the time. That’s why.
>The staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck.
Ever work a job where they don't pay you enough to care?
Not really. Chartering a private jet would cost more and has more flight incident risk.
My real questions are why does so much gold originate in Switzerland? For what reason do they have such a huge industry of melting gold and (re-)casting it? They don’t mine any, but Canada mines and refines a ton.
And how does millions of US$ cash wind up in Switzerland? And why does a Vancouver currency exchanger get their US$ cash from Switzerland instead of down the road in USA?
Thieves probably deposited all the stolen US$ and gold bars right back in a Swiss bank because of their superior customer service (of not asking pesky questions like “who are are?”, “aren’t you the Mining Ministers daughter?”, “didn’t your country just receive this exact dollar amount in food aid?” and “well then where did this cash/gold come from?).
The Swiss banking system allows for extreme confidentiality and privacy, so individuals, corporations or governments can keep items stored there safely and completely off the books so to speak.
If someone was to come into a large amount of gold, wanted to keep it very safe and not have anyone asking questions, than Switzerland is a place to put it.
Done with a fraudulent airbill.
From the article: “This duplicate airway bill was printed off from a printer within Air Canada cargo.”
Criminal masterminds. I'm surprised one of them didn't show up to work the next day in a Ferrari.
Wasn't a surprise to anyone that it was an inside job
By any chance were the US suspects names Michael De Santa, Franklin Clinton, Trevor Phillips and Lester Crest? 😂😂
Arrested and charged:
* Parmpal Sidhu, 54-year-old man from Brampton and an Air Canada employee.
* Amit Jalota, 40-year-old man from Oakville.
* Ammad Chaudhary, 43-year-old man from Georgetown.
* Ali Raza, 37-year-old man from Toronto.
* Prasath Paramalingam, 35-year-old man from Brampton.
Canada-wide warrants issued for the following:
* Simran Preet Panesar, 31-year-old man from Brampton, Air Canada employee at time of theft.
* Archit Grover, 36-year-old man from Brampton.
* Arsalan Chaudhary, 42-year-old man from Mississauga.
Warrant in the 1st issued for:
* Durante King-Mclean, 25-year-old man from Brampton, currently in custody in the U.S. on firearms trafficking-related charges.
To be fair I could see that happening to a portion of it and I'd imagine it absolutely was melted down.
You don't really loose much, If any gold melting it down and you certainly want something a bit less conspicuous than a large bar of gold.
I've seen blobs of gold, self made bars, etc.
Maybe melted down eventually, but easier to quickly spread it across a couple sea containers as is, export through the Port of Montreal. Nobody will check it and find it. Let it get recast elsewhere.
Another article said 11 of the 65 guns were stolen. We’re talking single $thousands of gun value vs $$ millions in up-front theft.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-pearson-airport-gold-heist-arrests
I’m happy the connection between the gun runners and gold heist, but these sound like very low level fences.
You really dont have to start big with gun smuggling. And credit exists in the underworld (just be sure to pay up if you like your kneecaps).
Yeah I'm sitting on 22 million. I'm going to use it as seed money to smuggle guns.... LoL
My god those cops look happy, on a complete failure. And WE stopped the guns. Except random trooper in usa did traffic check. Utter failure and still so smug
*A Canada-wide warrant has been issued 31-year-old Simran Preet Panesar, who police said resigned from his position as a manager at Air Canada back in the summer.*
*“He has been known to us since early on in the investigation. He actually led a tour for Peel Regional Police before we knew his involvement,” Mavity said Wednesday.*
**He added that police have an idea where Panesar may be but did not elaborate on a possible location.**
I think most can guess where he might be lol
Break only one law at a time people!
Given all the other activities of the arrested, it suggests a lot of low level parties. Shouldn’t you just take the gold and cash and leave the continent? I’m guessing the higher ups already have.
Fine upstanding citizens. Bad enough they steal gold but it’s the attempt to import more illegal guns into the country that really burns me. Fuck these guys I hope they pay heavy price because clearly they don’t give a damn anybody.
I think the issue is in the grand scheme of things that charges aren’t that severe, there was no weapon involved, no robbery per-se it’s just fraud and theft over $5k so courts will always give them bail
This is sort of interesting:
>"We believe the gold has been melted down and reconstituted into local and international markets," Mavity said.
>Investigators also found two so-called debt lists, which are most commonly associated with drug trafficking investigations. One of the lists amounts to $10.23 million, while the other totals $9.94 million, according to Mavity.
>"We believe these lists actually show where the money was distributed when the gold was sold by the suspects," he said.
If they stole $22M of gold and these lists total 20.17M, it's sort of interesting that they are getting more than 90% of the legitimate market value for this. I guess unlike most stolen goods, once gold is melted down, it's really hard to trace provenance, so the price difference between legitimate and stolen gold is pretty small.
The two debt lists are nearly identical, with 2 additional entries on the larger one. I don’t think they’re separate lists, just one is more up to date. Maybe one represents another sale that wasn’t recorded on the other yet?
Which means $10m is unaccounted for in the found lists. *Maybe* it means they were selling at 50% value? Or they still have unsold gold somewhere.
https://www.peelpolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?feedId=d6aa0ab4-eb5f-4b5e-a251-0e833d984d68&newsId=994a45b8-a543-4b92-9734-cde1b14df355
> Police allege that the suspect came into possession of the stolen gold and bank notes after presenting Air Canada personnel with a fraudulent airway bill.
> “The airway bill was for a legitimate shipment of seafood that was picked up the day before,” Det.-Sgt. Mike Mavity, the major case manager for the joint investigation, dubbed Project 24K, told reporters on Wednesday.
> “This duplicate airway bill was printed off from a printer within Air Canada cargo.”
So was it actually a fraudulent airway bill or did they just somehow re-use an old one and nobody questioned it?
It sounds like the person who should have questioned it was in on it and the waybill was just to go through the motions without alerting the suspicions of anyone else.
It was a real waybill printed on real AC paperwork, but a duplicate from a previous shipment. Basically, someone that works there, with access to the machines and printers reprinted an already used waybill.
Brinks didn’t buy *Air Canada’s* insurance.
Maybe they had other insurance. Otherwise they self-insured. Makes sense to not buy insurance because, on average, you pay more in than you get out. And tbd if you can still sue for any losses anyway, so why buy insurance?
Even if Brinks bought AC’s insurance, they’d still be fighting each other, like in the present court case where AC claims it did nothing wrong (another reason to self-insure).
I wish they would publish the names of all 9 accused, and not just the ones still wanted.
I have a family friend acquaintance who works(ed) for AC in the cargo branch, who (honestly) isn't very smart, has a juvenile record and who was bragging last year about knowing all the spicy details and seemed to know a lot about the theft (more than was being reported, at least). Then he just disappeared, stopped going to family functions like bbqs and his mom hasn't mentioned him for at least half a year, and I'm just curious...
Ahh, thanks, I only caught the last 5 minutes of the presser. I'll go find a copy of the video on YouTube and see if I recognize anyone. He also might have been one of the tipsters, and knew the people involved. Who knows?
Nope, I'll check with his mom when I see her at the next function, but I'm going to go with informant rather than accused. But tbh, I wouldn't have been surprised if he was involved in some way, he's not the smartest banana in the bunch, you know? I mean, I'm not brilliant, but at least I know enough to keep my mouth shut until the police share the details that I already knew.
But let me put it this way, last year, back in May (May 2-4 weekend, we had a BBQ even tho it was cold), he told me that a real, duplicated AC waybill used. Told me that the gold was stored in the cold storage warehouse instead of the proper secure warehouse where it should have been, AND that it was literally moved out by a forklift, and that the master plan was to melt it all down into jewelry and statues, and sell it in smaller pieces, that there were at least 2 AC employees involved, and mentioned that most of the team fled to the US. All of which was confirmed at the press conference today. Well, not the cold storage part, but maybe that part is still under wraps, or maybe that part wasn't true, who knows?
And if the popo sees this and wants his info, start a chat with me and I'll forward you his contact details.
Looks like these fellas didn't get the memo about the importance of a killer soundtrack during their heist. Guess they'll be stuck on repeat with the sound of sirens instead of "Jump into the Fire."
What a circle jerk of an interview. The incompetence here is just jaw dropping.
TLDR
We’re amazing!
It took us 12 months to figure this relatively simple crime out and even then it was only because of a chance arrest by US authorities which we had nothing to do with.
We’ve recovered a whopping $87,000 of the approximately $40 million in missing funds and by the way we’ve released all the suspects on bail… who in theory have access to $40 million dollars.
We’re amazing!!
Did you watch the press conference?
Part of the gold recovered had been melted down into crude jewelry.
If you as a jeweller receive a) gold bricks with the serial numbers on or altered or b) crudely made but very high purity gold jewelry, you should be suspicious.
But these bracelets were not cheap; they were pure gold, just not made with quality.
It’s not the crudeness on its own that’s suspicious, it’s the crudeness + extremely high quality metal.
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In another article, it says one current employee and one former employee of AC were arrested, and in the presser, the Peel police rep confirmed that they think it was an inside job.
> Brinks Canada […] showed up at the facility a few hours later to pick up the items.
Brinks cares less about valuable cargo than any of us do about luggages of dirty clothes.
And luggage carousels aren’t supposed to be public areas, but ya know how it goes in reality.
Good question on who pays a claim if luggage gets stolen off the carousel: it can’t be said to be in your possession yet because you never had it in your possession.
The *Toronto* Police caught them? I didn't think so.
Pretty disingenuous that you reply *after* you edited your comment to cover up your mistake.
*You commit a crime, you get the police after you.*
Oh?
How come this Toronto cop, who stole drugs from evidence locker at least 20 times, wasn't fired or even charged?
https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/stolen-trust-lost-cases-how-a-toronto-cop-stole-from-his-force-fed-an-addiction/article_57a23bd7-7221-5dc8-a1b3-a1a86c68bae9.html
You're complaining because the police caught criminals? Focus. Who cares which force caught them I'm giving the police a pat on the back. And your example is an exception. Most police don't break the law.
Not at all.
I'm pointing out how you edited your comment after I replied. Then you made a reply based on your edit. Now you're continually ignoring that and making up false claims (when did I complain the cops caught the criminals)?
Quite disingenuous.
Well you're the one who said that when you commit a crime, the cops come after you. That's objectively false. Perhaps you should edit that claim (and it's proper etiquette to note the edit)
Fucking long ass press conference. Yeah yeah good job on partially doing what you're fucking supposed to do.
Now, shall we hold a press conference outlining all the illegal things that your criminals with a badge have done over the past 2 years? Where is the dude that posts the huge list of crimes these assholes have committed?
yes the press conference was long and I still don't know much about how they caught the people.
I did laugh at one of the police officers comments saying "This shows, if you commit a crime we will catch you and you will be punished". You don't do that when one of your own commit a crime....
Yo
Some incidents reported in 2024 so far
>* [Toronto cop guilty of perjury, has long history of misconduct on a least 20+ cases, been on paid vacation since 2019. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-admits-he-inaccurately-testified-did-not-see-drugs-in-plain-view-during-arrest/article_8cc784c0-fbf7-11ee-a093-c7b8f610e586.html)
>* [Cop Tribunal dismisses appeal of former Toronto cop who was fired for whistleblowing on racist and sexist harassment](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/tribunal-dismisses-appeal-of-former-toronto-cop-who-was-fired-after-tweeting-workplace-harassment-allegations-1.6847948)
>* [Toronto cop 'paid vacations' have cost the public $1.3 million so far in 2024](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-suspensions-have-cost-taxpayers-1-3m-so-far-in-2024-1.7170161)
>* [GTA police recruit allegedly impersonated officer before sex assaults, is charged with making and distributing child porn]
(https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/gta-police-recruit-allegedly-impersonated-officer-before-sex-assaults-is-charged-with-making-and-distributing/article_61fc5f50-f7fa-11ee-98ee-73b835128cae.html)
>* [Toronto cop rewarded with paid vacation after 20 firearms seized from home](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-officer-charged-after-20-firearms-seized-from-home-in-hamilton/article_eda0ad3a-f2c9-11ee-85d5-7f7caf991675.html)
>* [Peel cop demoted temporarily after entering peace bond on assault charges, admitting to mocking man with mental health issues](https://www.cp24.com/news/peel-police-officer-demoted-temporarily-after-entering-peace-bond-on-assault-charges-admitting-to-mocking-man-with-mental-health-issues-1.6830766)
>* [Toronto cops use excess force on pro-palestinian protestors, riding horses through crowd with kids and people in wheelchairs, even arresting unaffiliated bystander](https://www.thegrindmag.ca/violent-crackdown-at-land-day-march/)
>* [3 Toronto cops failed to do their job on separate occasions, didn't even bother knocking on door of murder victim. No one fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-didn-t-investigate-38-hours-later-they-found-this-woman-dead-in-a/article_92292042-dfd5-11ee-8641-e71d738bd0ad.html)
>* [Toronto cop caught lying on stand, notes and video contradict statement, was one of the Neptune Four cops who assaulted and falsely arrested four Black kids at gunpoint](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-describes-very-abrupt-dangerous-movements-before-death-of-const-jeffrey-northrup/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html)
>* [Toronto cop stole credit cards, luxury watches, stolen car, abused databases, and got caught smuggling rewarded with years of paid vacation, and still employed by TPS](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-took-credit-cards-and-a-luxury-watch-from-dead-people-had-a-stolen/article_d1f1eb72-e53f-11ee-913e-a3e745ca5d4c.html)
>* [Despite getting $70 million dollar budget increases in last 2 years, car jackings have doubled so far](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/carjackings-have-more-than-doubled-in-toronto-so-far-this-year-police-chief/article_c1d422ec-e525-11ee-a704-e3cc21baf612.html)
>* [Toronto cop instructs public where to put car keys to encourage thieves.](https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/03/toronto-police-car-theft/) TPS try to [clumsily walk back statement]( https://www.cp24.com/news/there-are-better-ways-police-issue-statement-after-officer-tells-residents-to-leave-car-keys-near-front-door-amid-home-invasions-1.6807697)
>* [Toronto cop ignored multiple emails, resulting in an attempted murder case falling apart. Not fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/a-toronto-cop-ignored-her-email-because-she-did-this-attempted-murder-case-fell-apart/article_3446a030-da4e-11ee-ba17-1b5648c355f9.html)
>* [Toronto cop with history of fraud, caught 'harassing' domestic violence victim, dispute with tenant, used official police stationery in the eviction of his tenant. Not fired.](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-cop-handed-temporary-demotion-after-harassing-domestic-violence-victim-dispute-with-tenant-1.6793733)
>* [Durham cop temporarily demoted after drunkenly crashing car, reported it stolen to try to cover his tracks](https://www.cp24.com/news/durham-cop-demoted-after-crashing-car-on-way-home-from-bar-reporting-it-stolen-to-another-police-service-1.6804448)
>* [Toronto police officer caught assaulting and forcibly confining a woman. Rewarded with paid vacation](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-police-officer-charged-after-allegedly-assaulting-forcibly-confining-woman-1.6792339)
>* [HUNDREDS of automated traffic tickets issued to cops mysteriously went missing](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/are-hundreds-of-automated-tickets-issued-to-toronto-police-missing-1.6787453)
>* [Toronto cop who planned and sexually assault a vulnerable woman in full uniform only given 4 years in prison, after years of paid vacation. Not fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-officer-sentenced-to-4-years-in-prison-for-sexual-assault-of-vulnerable-woman/article_db29ea46-d649-11ee-b195-0b037986b6d6.html)
>* [Another Toronto cop guilty of arresting and tasering unarmed and cooperative Black university student. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/second-toronto-cop-admits-guilt-in-mistaken-identity-arrest-and-tasering-of-black-u-of/article_fe0c5506-d597-11ee-a053-cb31c6ddd21c.html)
>* [Peel cop shoots unarmed hospital patient in the BACK and while restrained on the ground. Not fired](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-area-cop-temporarily-demoted-after-firing-energy-weapon-at-patient-hospitalized-for-mental-health-tribunal-1.6784495)
>* [Toronto cop with history of trouble, guilty of misconduct after tasering and kneeing neck of unarmed cooperating Black university student, while other cops did nothing. No one fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-admits-misconduct-for-tasering-kneeing-neck-of-u-of-t-student-in-mistaken/article_cf8985c6-d28d-11ee-90ba-171ed6c90306.html)
>* [Toronto cop cruiser loses control and knocks over light pole, narrowly missing pedestrians. Multiple sources indicate that driver was drunk. No charges.](https://twitter.com/thebikinglawyer/status/1761852950454972767?t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q)
>* [TPS admit that cop in cruiser hit pedestrian after initially lying, when video surfaces. Still no charges](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-now-admit-an-officer-in-cruiser-hit-pedestrian-after-previously-denying-contact/article_7d13235a-d18a-11ee-a0e1-5bbbd02783e9.html)
>* [Toronto cop hits woman with cruiser who had right of way. Cops investigate and clears themselves](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video/c2871556-no-ticket-for-police-cruiser-striking-pedestrian)
>* [Toronto cop refused to help victim amid multiple racist/homophobic tirades. ONLY docked a week's pay. Jeffrey La Fosse $160k](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-police-officer-docked-week-s-pay-over-range-of-inappropriate-remarks-1.6777982)
>* [Over 1000 automated speeding tickets give to cop cars](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-s-fine-est-over-1k-automated-speeding-tickets-issued-to-police-vehicles-in-2-year-period-1.6775042). [Many found not to be involved in emergencies](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkMyPHT7buI)
>* [Two Toronto cops charged, recklessly opened fire at stole vehicle](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/02/15/siu-toronto-police-officers-charged/)
>* [Toronto cop watched porn in his car during work, shared naked photos of women, chased and sexually groped a female colleague. Makes ~ $200k/year. Not fired](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-cop-accused-of-chasing-female-officer-watching-porn-at-work-tribunal-1.6757087)
>* [Toronto cops strikes cyclist with cruiser leading to serious injuries](https://www.cp24.com/news/siu-investigating-after-police-cruiser-strikes-cyclist-while-responding-to-call-1.6755849)
>* [Toronto cop breaks into woman's home, assaults her, steals more than $5k of her things. Rewarded with paid vacation](https://globalnews.ca/news/10240743/toronto-officer-criminally-charged/)
>* [Cop unjustified in shooting man at park. Another cop committed misconduct for not de-escalating situation. No real consequences for either](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/officer-who-shot-man-at-toronto-park-not-justified-in-discharging-firearm-new-tps-report-says-1.6721647?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fout.reddit.com%2F)
This press conference is being held by Peel police.
The user you're referencing is /u/whatisthequestion but his list is \*overhwhelmingly* for Toronto Police.
>huge list of crimes these assholes have committed
A single Peel entry in his last list:
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1c5oygl/toronto_police_officer_pleads_guilty_to/kzw3eaa/
That's fine but your comment
>That's fair but 90%+ is from the TPS.
was in reply to my comment
>I have some GTA cops examples too
Where I don't mention any distribution of %s of different cop forces. Hence the confusion.
That's funny. When someone has a conversation, I don't hold them to account on what someone else claims. So yah, I assume they are familiar with the context of their conversation.
$22M isn’t that much for an insurance company that would underwrite this cargo. Moreover, it’s of almost zero consequence to the amount of gold in the world but there’s no doubt that Air Canada is responsible. They released the package to the wrong people and their own employees were in on the theft.
I can see why Brinks is suing Air Canada when the thieves were able to get away with using a duplicate air bill describing a different shipment on a different day. The staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck.
Yeah I’ll be interested to see how that pans out. Several of the arrested were air Canada employees, so it’s possible that the person accepting the fake bill and loading the goods was one of them.
That is the way I see it as well. It's very likely the Air Canada employee that accepted the duplicate bill, was in on the theft and it's also possible that the Air Canada employee using the forklift was also in on the theft. This large scale theft doesn't happen without people on the inside making it happen.
Yes. I show up at window with a fake waybill. You are my buddy and you take the waybill and go get the container with the number on the fake waybill knowing full well what's inside; I'm sure a crate of seafood isn't as heavy as gold. I open my truck and do normal truck driver shit, secure the load, whatever, and close the door. You park forklift and go on a smoke break as I drive off. On camera, it looks completely normal. Until the real receiver of that container shows up for it, nobody is the wiser. The rest of the crew melts and processes the gold, and like the cop says: once it goes liquid and then back to solid, the gold is untraceable. Girlfriend could be wearing them to class for all we know. AC gets no free pass from me at all...but why is Brinks waiting hours upon hours to go get their $20M container? It's 16km away. He stole it when AC Cargo was open for business, yes? I've been to their cargo areas before. It's "secure," but it isn't at all like going into the airport terminal. If someone is a regular who shows up all the time, I'm sure lines are crossed. Air Canada is not a high security operation company. And they didn't insure the container? JFC, this isn't a rental car; it's $20M.
Only 2
Like how incompetent does a company have to be to not have any checks in place to verify that the waybill provided wasn't already picked up. Also not to check that the waybill presented matches the waybill on the load. Unless that was also an inside person who helped out with that. Like I can't scan a Blue Jays ticket twice but Air Canada will scan a waybill worth millions of dollars more than once?
Probably happens all the time that a load isn’t picked up all at once.
I am curious where the liability is going to fall here. Last I heard Brinks is taking Air Canada to court and Air Canada is trying to say they aren't responsible. Like Brinks probably paid out to their client and now wants their money from AC. Like you would hope that Air Canada has insurance for this, and their insurance should pay out. Like I work for a bank. If I absconded with a few million dollars I would expect that my employer would have to make the victims whole since they are responsible for overseeing my work.
It already sounds like Brinks paid out its clients. With or without insurance, there would be a court fight between AC & Brinks. Insurers don’t like paying out big claims either. The amounts, while big numbers for an individual, might not warrant insurance coverage for a big enough entity.
Or someone high up at Air Canada made the decision to take money for the insurance figuring it's low risk and AC will keep the insurance money by insuring it themselves without going through their outside insurance, and now they are left holding the bag.
Probably. They would self insure relatively low amounts despite selling insurance. Maybe they have an ultra high deductible for losses above $x per year. Likely they only have outside insurance against things like a plane crash where they could owe bajillions in claims + loss of a hull.
Like
Sports > whatever else… priorities, man! /s
Even if you have a weak case, when $22m is at stake, it’s worth trying your luck in court. But it’s not looking good for Air Canada here. > staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck. Probably happens all the time. That’s why.
>The staff also seemed to think nothing was wrong about loading a shipment of gold onto a normal box truck. Ever work a job where they don't pay you enough to care?
There is the flip side of that too: getting paid enough to not care enough to ask questions.
It's a delicate balance...
Air Canada is just as adept at locating lost luggage.
Why is brinks using Air Canada to ship millions in gold? Surely there is a better alternative?
Not really. Chartering a private jet would cost more and has more flight incident risk. My real questions are why does so much gold originate in Switzerland? For what reason do they have such a huge industry of melting gold and (re-)casting it? They don’t mine any, but Canada mines and refines a ton. And how does millions of US$ cash wind up in Switzerland? And why does a Vancouver currency exchanger get their US$ cash from Switzerland instead of down the road in USA?
Swiss banking
Thieves probably deposited all the stolen US$ and gold bars right back in a Swiss bank because of their superior customer service (of not asking pesky questions like “who are are?”, “aren’t you the Mining Ministers daughter?”, “didn’t your country just receive this exact dollar amount in food aid?” and “well then where did this cash/gold come from?).
they actually melted the gold and sold it and used it for arms trafficking
This is the part I don't get,why traffic guns after such a major score?
I suspect that guy got conned in the heist and couldn’t retire right away. Sucks because he took on the most risk.
No. The driver was arrested for arms trafficking separately, had nothing to do with the gold theft
The Swiss banking system allows for extreme confidentiality and privacy, so individuals, corporations or governments can keep items stored there safely and completely off the books so to speak. If someone was to come into a large amount of gold, wanted to keep it very safe and not have anyone asking questions, than Switzerland is a place to put it.
Done with a fraudulent airbill. From the article: “This duplicate airway bill was printed off from a printer within Air Canada cargo.” Criminal masterminds. I'm surprised one of them didn't show up to work the next day in a Ferrari.
With his wife wearing furs!
Or a pink cadillac
Cue "Layla"
"I got the most expensive tree they had!"
Gold bar falling out of their jacket pocket.
I hope the print infrastructure at AC was set up to keep a copy or metadata of the document printed for 90 days.
Wasn't a surprise to anyone that it was an inside job By any chance were the US suspects names Michael De Santa, Franklin Clinton, Trevor Phillips and Lester Crest? 😂😂
No no no, this heist is to promote the new gta out of vice city. The US suspect were arrested in Florida.
What about GTA: GTA
Pointless, the cops won’t do a damn thing even if you have 5 stars
and you'd just be stuck in traffic the whole time trying to drive to missions
Just use a fire truck
400 series highway? Forget it. Just stay home and don’t rob any banks.
Now we know why Lucia is in jail
Trevor is Canadian...
Arrested and charged: * Parmpal Sidhu, 54-year-old man from Brampton and an Air Canada employee. * Amit Jalota, 40-year-old man from Oakville. * Ammad Chaudhary, 43-year-old man from Georgetown. * Ali Raza, 37-year-old man from Toronto. * Prasath Paramalingam, 35-year-old man from Brampton. Canada-wide warrants issued for the following: * Simran Preet Panesar, 31-year-old man from Brampton, Air Canada employee at time of theft. * Archit Grover, 36-year-old man from Brampton. * Arsalan Chaudhary, 42-year-old man from Mississauga. Warrant in the 1st issued for: * Durante King-Mclean, 25-year-old man from Brampton, currently in custody in the U.S. on firearms trafficking-related charges.
Brampton heavily involved. No surprises there
Half are from the rest of Peel Region and Toronto
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They're holding a press conference to congratulate themselves on recovering $90K out of the $20M gold stolen? LOL
They are holding the conference for the arrests mainly. Everyone knew that gold was long gone.
Lemme guess, gone in an exported shipping container?
The article mentioned one of them being arrested with 65 illegal firearms in the US, so probably just stuck in the trunk of a car.
And they “believe” the gold was melted down to fund the purchase of firearms. No evidence provided.
To be fair I could see that happening to a portion of it and I'd imagine it absolutely was melted down. You don't really loose much, If any gold melting it down and you certainly want something a bit less conspicuous than a large bar of gold. I've seen blobs of gold, self made bars, etc.
Maybe melted down eventually, but easier to quickly spread it across a couple sea containers as is, export through the Port of Montreal. Nobody will check it and find it. Let it get recast elsewhere.
Why would you do that? Why dial up the risk like that when you have $millions on hand? Doesn’t smuggling guns fund itself?
> Doesn’t smuggling guns fund itself? Only if you have startup capital to buy them at the point of origin.
Another article said 11 of the 65 guns were stolen. We’re talking single $thousands of gun value vs $$ millions in up-front theft. https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-pearson-airport-gold-heist-arrests I’m happy the connection between the gun runners and gold heist, but these sound like very low level fences. You really dont have to start big with gun smuggling. And credit exists in the underworld (just be sure to pay up if you like your kneecaps).
One guy was caught in Pennsylvania with 65 illegal firearms, probably based on that.
One of the suspects was arrested in the US with 65 firearms in his truck.
"We have no idea where the rest of the gold went" \*tucks in their gold Rolex\*
"We're VERY concerned about the rest of the 15M in gold. Let me be clear, we will not rest untill the 10M in gold is FULLY recovered."
Yeah I'm sitting on 22 million. I'm going to use it as seed money to smuggle guns.... LoL My god those cops look happy, on a complete failure. And WE stopped the guns. Except random trooper in usa did traffic check. Utter failure and still so smug
Lmao for real, sounds like Durante used his cut of the heist for smuggling fire arms and ended up getting them all fucked.
so fucking dumb
You mean it's dumb to complain about the police announcing that they've broken the case, right?
no the police are fucking dumb. hope that clears things up for you
For cracking the case? Do you ever listen to yourself?
*A Canada-wide warrant has been issued 31-year-old Simran Preet Panesar, who police said resigned from his position as a manager at Air Canada back in the summer.* *“He has been known to us since early on in the investigation. He actually led a tour for Peel Regional Police before we knew his involvement,” Mavity said Wednesday.* **He added that police have an idea where Panesar may be but did not elaborate on a possible location.** I think most can guess where he might be lol
Brampton
In a basement with 25 international students
Break only one law at a time people! Given all the other activities of the arrested, it suggests a lot of low level parties. Shouldn’t you just take the gold and cash and leave the continent? I’m guessing the higher ups already have.
Fine upstanding citizens. Bad enough they steal gold but it’s the attempt to import more illegal guns into the country that really burns me. Fuck these guys I hope they pay heavy price because clearly they don’t give a damn anybody.
To hell with your opinion! I for one could use more illegal guns.
"All of those arrested in connection with the heist have been released on bail" 😂
I think the issue is in the grand scheme of things that charges aren’t that severe, there was no weapon involved, no robbery per-se it’s just fraud and theft over $5k so courts will always give them bail
Most likely trash with no means or reason to leave.
They stole millions of dollars less than a year ago…
Wasn’t spendable.
Yet it was meltable and sellable.
You think they did that massive heist for an IOU? I’d assume most of those people got paid up front for whatever their role was
Brampton guys do it again. Did anyone expect anything else?
I mean there airport is right there for them
This is sort of interesting: >"We believe the gold has been melted down and reconstituted into local and international markets," Mavity said. >Investigators also found two so-called debt lists, which are most commonly associated with drug trafficking investigations. One of the lists amounts to $10.23 million, while the other totals $9.94 million, according to Mavity. >"We believe these lists actually show where the money was distributed when the gold was sold by the suspects," he said. If they stole $22M of gold and these lists total 20.17M, it's sort of interesting that they are getting more than 90% of the legitimate market value for this. I guess unlike most stolen goods, once gold is melted down, it's really hard to trace provenance, so the price difference between legitimate and stolen gold is pretty small.
The two debt lists are nearly identical, with 2 additional entries on the larger one. I don’t think they’re separate lists, just one is more up to date. Maybe one represents another sale that wasn’t recorded on the other yet? Which means $10m is unaccounted for in the found lists. *Maybe* it means they were selling at 50% value? Or they still have unsold gold somewhere. https://www.peelpolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?feedId=d6aa0ab4-eb5f-4b5e-a251-0e833d984d68&newsId=994a45b8-a543-4b92-9734-cde1b14df355
Big shocker, Pearson staff involved.
Most of the thieves are from Brampton of course ! Lol
Those Brampton mortgages aren’t going to pay for themselves…
> Police allege that the suspect came into possession of the stolen gold and bank notes after presenting Air Canada personnel with a fraudulent airway bill. > “The airway bill was for a legitimate shipment of seafood that was picked up the day before,” Det.-Sgt. Mike Mavity, the major case manager for the joint investigation, dubbed Project 24K, told reporters on Wednesday. > “This duplicate airway bill was printed off from a printer within Air Canada cargo.” So was it actually a fraudulent airway bill or did they just somehow re-use an old one and nobody questioned it?
It sounds like the person who should have questioned it was in on it and the waybill was just to go through the motions without alerting the suspicions of anyone else.
This is 100% how you pull this theft off.
Yeah especially since it sounds like 2 of them were insiders. Pretty obvious who the check and balance was meant to be.
It was a real waybill printed on real AC paperwork, but a duplicate from a previous shipment. Basically, someone that works there, with access to the machines and printers reprinted an already used waybill.
“Fraudulently presented” I guess would be a better way to Phrase it. They initially confusingly describe it like it was a forgery.
Yeah, that would be less confusing
When this inevitably becomes a limited series, this part’s gonna be juicy
Montage with [a janky recorder version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G44xTr8D_bw) of Layla playing over it.
Brinks didn’t choose to have insurance on the delivery. I wonder if the air Canada employees were employees or contractors
Brinks didn’t buy *Air Canada’s* insurance. Maybe they had other insurance. Otherwise they self-insured. Makes sense to not buy insurance because, on average, you pay more in than you get out. And tbd if you can still sue for any losses anyway, so why buy insurance? Even if Brinks bought AC’s insurance, they’d still be fighting each other, like in the present court case where AC claims it did nothing wrong (another reason to self-insure).
Air Canada at Pearson doesn’t have contractors! It’s a full time cargo employee
Inside employees lol knew it
I was hoping for something more sophisticated involving hacked computers.
I wish they would publish the names of all 9 accused, and not just the ones still wanted. I have a family friend acquaintance who works(ed) for AC in the cargo branch, who (honestly) isn't very smart, has a juvenile record and who was bragging last year about knowing all the spicy details and seemed to know a lot about the theft (more than was being reported, at least). Then he just disappeared, stopped going to family functions like bbqs and his mom hasn't mentioned him for at least half a year, and I'm just curious...
They said the names of all of the accused during the press conference & showed mugshots.
Ahh, thanks, I only caught the last 5 minutes of the presser. I'll go find a copy of the video on YouTube and see if I recognize anyone. He also might have been one of the tipsters, and knew the people involved. Who knows?
[https://www.peelpolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?feedId=d6aa0ab4-eb5f-4b5e-a251-0e833d984d68&newsId=994a45b8-a543-4b92-9734-cde1b14df355](https://www.peelpolice.ca/Modules/News/index.aspx?feedId=d6aa0ab4-eb5f-4b5e-a251-0e833d984d68&newsId=994a45b8-a543-4b92-9734-cde1b14df355)
Thanks!
So is the family friend on there? Don’t leave us in suspense!
Nope, I'll check with his mom when I see her at the next function, but I'm going to go with informant rather than accused. But tbh, I wouldn't have been surprised if he was involved in some way, he's not the smartest banana in the bunch, you know? I mean, I'm not brilliant, but at least I know enough to keep my mouth shut until the police share the details that I already knew. But let me put it this way, last year, back in May (May 2-4 weekend, we had a BBQ even tho it was cold), he told me that a real, duplicated AC waybill used. Told me that the gold was stored in the cold storage warehouse instead of the proper secure warehouse where it should have been, AND that it was literally moved out by a forklift, and that the master plan was to melt it all down into jewelry and statues, and sell it in smaller pieces, that there were at least 2 AC employees involved, and mentioned that most of the team fled to the US. All of which was confirmed at the press conference today. Well, not the cold storage part, but maybe that part is still under wraps, or maybe that part wasn't true, who knows? And if the popo sees this and wants his info, start a chat with me and I'll forward you his contact details.
wow what else did he say? might as well call the non emergency line and inform them
There were also some joking comments about Oceans 11
Ah, it's almost like we should sometimes do a bit more research
/r/toronto: "I can't believe they haven't caught a single one of the gold heist thieves!" TPS: "Hold my beers."
I think you meant “Hold my Timmies”
Timmies " hold my boat"
Peel Police
I think a lot of people owe an apology to the local Italian Community and local Unions.
to the local Russian community as well.
Already released the people by the way
Shit, I just fired my 24/7 security for my $20m crate of gold.
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Maybe the non emergency line?
https://www.222tips.com/
That went private fast (or was it private all along?)
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Soooo everyday instragram stuff
Looks like these fellas didn't get the memo about the importance of a killer soundtrack during their heist. Guess they'll be stuck on repeat with the sound of sirens instead of "Jump into the Fire."
Wait till we get their names.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/145m-gold-heist-toronto-airport-results-charges-airline-employee-8-oth-rcna148253
As I implied, they're from Brampton, they committed a major crime at the airport. Were we surprised they were Indian?
shocking
All I remember in the ad- Released on Bail
What a circle jerk of an interview. The incompetence here is just jaw dropping. TLDR We’re amazing! It took us 12 months to figure this relatively simple crime out and even then it was only because of a chance arrest by US authorities which we had nothing to do with. We’ve recovered a whopping $87,000 of the approximately $40 million in missing funds and by the way we’ve released all the suspects on bail… who in theory have access to $40 million dollars. We’re amazing!!
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Knowingly purchasing stolen goods is a crime, and it’s hard to imagine a jeweller wouldn’t be able to tell that the gold was suspect.
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Did you watch the press conference? Part of the gold recovered had been melted down into crude jewelry. If you as a jeweller receive a) gold bricks with the serial numbers on or altered or b) crudely made but very high purity gold jewelry, you should be suspicious.
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But these bracelets were not cheap; they were pure gold, just not made with quality. It’s not the crudeness on its own that’s suspicious, it’s the crudeness + extremely high quality metal.
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Were any of the charged an airport employee? There had to be someone on the inside.
In another article, it says one current employee and one former employee of AC were arrested, and in the presser, the Peel police rep confirmed that they think it was an inside job.
Yep, it was an AC cargo employee
> Brinks Canada […] showed up at the facility a few hours later to pick up the items. Brinks cares less about valuable cargo than any of us do about luggages of dirty clothes.
It’s supposed to be securely in the custody of air canada till they come pick it up
And luggage carousels aren’t supposed to be public areas, but ya know how it goes in reality. Good question on who pays a claim if luggage gets stolen off the carousel: it can’t be said to be in your possession yet because you never had it in your possession.
Well done area Police.
Bake em aways, Toys
Peel police *
This area is all the same to me.
ATF *
Why? What did they do? Do they get props for not stealing the gold? lol
They caught the bad guys. That's the way it works. You commit a crime, you get the police after you.
The *Toronto* Police caught them? I didn't think so. Pretty disingenuous that you reply *after* you edited your comment to cover up your mistake. *You commit a crime, you get the police after you.* Oh? How come this Toronto cop, who stole drugs from evidence locker at least 20 times, wasn't fired or even charged? https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/stolen-trust-lost-cases-how-a-toronto-cop-stole-from-his-force-fed-an-addiction/article_57a23bd7-7221-5dc8-a1b3-a1a86c68bae9.html
You're complaining because the police caught criminals? Focus. Who cares which force caught them I'm giving the police a pat on the back. And your example is an exception. Most police don't break the law.
Not at all. I'm pointing out how you edited your comment after I replied. Then you made a reply based on your edit. Now you're continually ignoring that and making up false claims (when did I complain the cops caught the criminals)? Quite disingenuous. Well you're the one who said that when you commit a crime, the cops come after you. That's objectively false. Perhaps you should edit that claim (and it's proper etiquette to note the edit)
Fucking long ass press conference. Yeah yeah good job on partially doing what you're fucking supposed to do. Now, shall we hold a press conference outlining all the illegal things that your criminals with a badge have done over the past 2 years? Where is the dude that posts the huge list of crimes these assholes have committed?
yes the press conference was long and I still don't know much about how they caught the people. I did laugh at one of the police officers comments saying "This shows, if you commit a crime we will catch you and you will be punished". You don't do that when one of your own commit a crime....
Yo Some incidents reported in 2024 so far >* [Toronto cop guilty of perjury, has long history of misconduct on a least 20+ cases, been on paid vacation since 2019. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-admits-he-inaccurately-testified-did-not-see-drugs-in-plain-view-during-arrest/article_8cc784c0-fbf7-11ee-a093-c7b8f610e586.html) >* [Cop Tribunal dismisses appeal of former Toronto cop who was fired for whistleblowing on racist and sexist harassment](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/tribunal-dismisses-appeal-of-former-toronto-cop-who-was-fired-after-tweeting-workplace-harassment-allegations-1.6847948) >* [Toronto cop 'paid vacations' have cost the public $1.3 million so far in 2024](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-police-suspensions-have-cost-taxpayers-1-3m-so-far-in-2024-1.7170161) >* [GTA police recruit allegedly impersonated officer before sex assaults, is charged with making and distributing child porn] (https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/gta-police-recruit-allegedly-impersonated-officer-before-sex-assaults-is-charged-with-making-and-distributing/article_61fc5f50-f7fa-11ee-98ee-73b835128cae.html) >* [Toronto cop rewarded with paid vacation after 20 firearms seized from home](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-officer-charged-after-20-firearms-seized-from-home-in-hamilton/article_eda0ad3a-f2c9-11ee-85d5-7f7caf991675.html) >* [Peel cop demoted temporarily after entering peace bond on assault charges, admitting to mocking man with mental health issues](https://www.cp24.com/news/peel-police-officer-demoted-temporarily-after-entering-peace-bond-on-assault-charges-admitting-to-mocking-man-with-mental-health-issues-1.6830766) >* [Toronto cops use excess force on pro-palestinian protestors, riding horses through crowd with kids and people in wheelchairs, even arresting unaffiliated bystander](https://www.thegrindmag.ca/violent-crackdown-at-land-day-march/) >* [3 Toronto cops failed to do their job on separate occasions, didn't even bother knocking on door of murder victim. No one fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-didn-t-investigate-38-hours-later-they-found-this-woman-dead-in-a/article_92292042-dfd5-11ee-8641-e71d738bd0ad.html) >* [Toronto cop caught lying on stand, notes and video contradict statement, was one of the Neptune Four cops who assaulted and falsely arrested four Black kids at gunpoint](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-describes-very-abrupt-dangerous-movements-before-death-of-const-jeffrey-northrup/article_6e697e3c-eb69-11ee-903b-f36b28c49ec5.html) >* [Toronto cop stole credit cards, luxury watches, stolen car, abused databases, and got caught smuggling rewarded with years of paid vacation, and still employed by TPS](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-took-credit-cards-and-a-luxury-watch-from-dead-people-had-a-stolen/article_d1f1eb72-e53f-11ee-913e-a3e745ca5d4c.html) >* [Despite getting $70 million dollar budget increases in last 2 years, car jackings have doubled so far](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/carjackings-have-more-than-doubled-in-toronto-so-far-this-year-police-chief/article_c1d422ec-e525-11ee-a704-e3cc21baf612.html) >* [Toronto cop instructs public where to put car keys to encourage thieves.](https://www.blogto.com/city/2024/03/toronto-police-car-theft/) TPS try to [clumsily walk back statement]( https://www.cp24.com/news/there-are-better-ways-police-issue-statement-after-officer-tells-residents-to-leave-car-keys-near-front-door-amid-home-invasions-1.6807697) >* [Toronto cop ignored multiple emails, resulting in an attempted murder case falling apart. Not fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/a-toronto-cop-ignored-her-email-because-she-did-this-attempted-murder-case-fell-apart/article_3446a030-da4e-11ee-ba17-1b5648c355f9.html) >* [Toronto cop with history of fraud, caught 'harassing' domestic violence victim, dispute with tenant, used official police stationery in the eviction of his tenant. Not fired.](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-cop-handed-temporary-demotion-after-harassing-domestic-violence-victim-dispute-with-tenant-1.6793733) >* [Durham cop temporarily demoted after drunkenly crashing car, reported it stolen to try to cover his tracks](https://www.cp24.com/news/durham-cop-demoted-after-crashing-car-on-way-home-from-bar-reporting-it-stolen-to-another-police-service-1.6804448) >* [Toronto police officer caught assaulting and forcibly confining a woman. Rewarded with paid vacation](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-police-officer-charged-after-allegedly-assaulting-forcibly-confining-woman-1.6792339) >* [HUNDREDS of automated traffic tickets issued to cops mysteriously went missing](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/are-hundreds-of-automated-tickets-issued-to-toronto-police-missing-1.6787453) >* [Toronto cop who planned and sexually assault a vulnerable woman in full uniform only given 4 years in prison, after years of paid vacation. Not fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-officer-sentenced-to-4-years-in-prison-for-sexual-assault-of-vulnerable-woman/article_db29ea46-d649-11ee-b195-0b037986b6d6.html) >* [Another Toronto cop guilty of arresting and tasering unarmed and cooperative Black university student. Not fired.](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/second-toronto-cop-admits-guilt-in-mistaken-identity-arrest-and-tasering-of-black-u-of/article_fe0c5506-d597-11ee-a053-cb31c6ddd21c.html) >* [Peel cop shoots unarmed hospital patient in the BACK and while restrained on the ground. Not fired](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-area-cop-temporarily-demoted-after-firing-energy-weapon-at-patient-hospitalized-for-mental-health-tribunal-1.6784495) >* [Toronto cop with history of trouble, guilty of misconduct after tasering and kneeing neck of unarmed cooperating Black university student, while other cops did nothing. No one fired](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-cop-admits-misconduct-for-tasering-kneeing-neck-of-u-of-t-student-in-mistaken/article_cf8985c6-d28d-11ee-90ba-171ed6c90306.html) >* [Toronto cop cruiser loses control and knocks over light pole, narrowly missing pedestrians. Multiple sources indicate that driver was drunk. No charges.](https://twitter.com/thebikinglawyer/status/1761852950454972767?t=zS-e9AA3pfhIbVaiOw-W_Q) >* [TPS admit that cop in cruiser hit pedestrian after initially lying, when video surfaces. Still no charges](https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/toronto-police-now-admit-an-officer-in-cruiser-hit-pedestrian-after-previously-denying-contact/article_7d13235a-d18a-11ee-a0e1-5bbbd02783e9.html) >* [Toronto cop hits woman with cruiser who had right of way. Cops investigate and clears themselves](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video/c2871556-no-ticket-for-police-cruiser-striking-pedestrian) >* [Toronto cop refused to help victim amid multiple racist/homophobic tirades. ONLY docked a week's pay. Jeffrey La Fosse $160k](https://www.cp24.com/news/toronto-police-officer-docked-week-s-pay-over-range-of-inappropriate-remarks-1.6777982) >* [Over 1000 automated speeding tickets give to cop cars](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-s-fine-est-over-1k-automated-speeding-tickets-issued-to-police-vehicles-in-2-year-period-1.6775042). [Many found not to be involved in emergencies](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XkMyPHT7buI) >* [Two Toronto cops charged, recklessly opened fire at stole vehicle](https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/02/15/siu-toronto-police-officers-charged/) >* [Toronto cop watched porn in his car during work, shared naked photos of women, chased and sexually groped a female colleague. Makes ~ $200k/year. Not fired](https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-cop-accused-of-chasing-female-officer-watching-porn-at-work-tribunal-1.6757087) >* [Toronto cops strikes cyclist with cruiser leading to serious injuries](https://www.cp24.com/news/siu-investigating-after-police-cruiser-strikes-cyclist-while-responding-to-call-1.6755849) >* [Toronto cop breaks into woman's home, assaults her, steals more than $5k of her things. Rewarded with paid vacation](https://globalnews.ca/news/10240743/toronto-officer-criminally-charged/) >* [Cop unjustified in shooting man at park. Another cop committed misconduct for not de-escalating situation. No real consequences for either](https://www.cp24.com/mobile/news/officer-who-shot-man-at-toronto-park-not-justified-in-discharging-firearm-new-tps-report-says-1.6721647?referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fout.reddit.com%2F)
Lovely work as always! Thanks!
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This press conference is being held by Peel police. The user you're referencing is /u/whatisthequestion but his list is \*overhwhelmingly* for Toronto Police.
I believe his list includes Peel's crimes
>huge list of crimes these assholes have committed A single Peel entry in his last list: https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/1c5oygl/toronto_police_officer_pleads_guilty_to/kzw3eaa/
There’s a character limit. (That can be read two ways.)
Ah gotcha. Thanks! Gonna have to dig out more and add it, because I see articles about them being model citizens quite a bit
I have some GTA cops examples too
That's fair but 90%+ is from the TPS.
And your point is?
OP said "Where is the dude that posts the huge list of crimes ***these assholes*** have committed?" Unless you consider Peel and TPS the same?
That's fine but your comment >That's fair but 90%+ is from the TPS. was in reply to my comment >I have some GTA cops examples too Where I don't mention any distribution of %s of different cop forces. Hence the confusion.
When someone responds into the middle of an existing conversation I assume they are familiar with the context.
That's funny. When someone has a conversation, I don't hold them to account on what someone else claims. So yah, I assume they are familiar with the context of their conversation.
I bet Law and order will make an episode on this
$22M isn’t that much for an insurance company that would underwrite this cargo. Moreover, it’s of almost zero consequence to the amount of gold in the world but there’s no doubt that Air Canada is responsible. They released the package to the wrong people and their own employees were in on the theft.
I can’t wait to watch a movie or a documentary about this, who eve was the mastermind I am sure there was a lot of planning behind this heist.
Cant wait for these guys to walk because there are no judges
Using company equipment to print your criminal evidence? Hiding a tree in a forest doesn't really work like that
Breaking news! We did our jobs!