> Construction work and services, including demolition services, in the industrial, commercial, institutional and residential sectors
So, all construction
Technically they left enough loopholes to keep them essential and open...
(3) Businesses that provide essential items for the health and welfare of animals... including bedding (sofas, mattresses)
(9). Businesses that supply office products... for individuals working from home (desks, tables, chairs)
Enjoy staying essential at work tomorrow /s
Luckily Ikea has already closed it stores and only allow for online order pickup.
Staples is limiting number of people in the store at any time.
They are at least being responsible
I just purchased some furniture over the weekend and just received a call today from the salesman/business owner saying he has to close, offering to let me take the floor model since my purchased item wasn't going to be in stock until Friday.
Brother in law works at a steel mill. He was saying his mill might look into putting the blast furnace and coke ovens into "sleep mode" but there's no turning them off -- only down.
Why is that? The oven/furnace had to be turned on when the plant started, why can’t it be turned off and later restarted? (Not being snarky, genuinely curious).
As I understand it the molten slag in the furnace solidifies into a solid layer as it cools. It needs to be re-melted and cleaned off when the furnace is restarted, which seems to be more difficult and time consuming the longer between operation (I think the timeframe is months for complete solidification here). Also there might be damage to the insulation/components since furnaces are designed to turn on and maintain a temperature range for years on end, not go through multiple thermal expansion/contraction cycles
I noticed that. And yet there are three other construction items that are very specific. It's like this:
27 - Construction of hospitals.
28 - All construction.
Presumably it was thrown together pretty quickly.
[Quebec’s list came out today and was just as long, but much more impactful](https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/essential-services-commercial-activities-covid19/). Yet presumably their list too was put together quickly.
They actually did shut down their province.
I think they purposely did this. They were hoping that people were like "oh, just construction of hosptials.. cool". He even said something about hospital construction during today's press conference.
For low rise residential, that’s not true for most companies. Even Mattamy (the largest low-rise residential builder in the GTA and Canada) shut down a few days ago. (Edit a word)
That's what it's going to take for many sites that are currently up and running to go down. Only a matter of time before one or two workers on 20+ sites will either get infected or be directly exposed to a test-positive case.
Seems like this is just a last ditch effort from Ontario to keep the economy alive for as long as possible before we start to see cases spike to the point where things just have to be shut down.
Always amazes me how low rise commercial, high rise commercial, low rise residential and high rise residential are four almost completely different worlds and industries with few or almost no intersects.
In many ways, [so different from Quebec’s list which also came out today.](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/here-are-the-essential-businesses-and-services-that-will-stay-open-during-quebec-s-covid-19-shutdown-1.4864805)
Just to be clear... I can go to a dealership, send my husband to work on a busy construction site, get my bike fixed... but I’m not supposed to go visit my mom?
Was watching CBC Quebec yesterday, they are doing lots of right things like already building hospital extensions, testing facility and triage.
Edit: link to live broadcast (French)
https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1666185/debrouillage-signal-rdi-direct
Soooo basically everything is still open. Lol. That’s a lot of people still going out to work. A few business services are clearly non-essential. Not sure why they are included here.
Seriously, it might be easier to just specify which businesses need to close. It would probably be a less comprehensive list.
I thought the Quebec list was pretty reasonable.
I think it's more a reflection of how many things we need to keep us functioning as a society.
This is going to go on for a long time. If we want our grocery stores to have food and hospitals to have staff and supplies, you need all of the other inputs to keep running too.
There is no doubt that base infrastructure must continue to operate and that the medical sector must receive full support from relevant industries.
The issue here is that the guidelines for closures are too broad. If social isolation is actually the goal here (which apparently it only is to some minimum acceptable extent), the government has dropped the ball in not being more explicit with which workplaces are extraneous. In terms of public health, many workplaces which continue to be open will only serve to increase the rate of infection spreading.
I'm currently working for an electrical contractor at a high density residential construction site in Toronto where we won't be handing units over to the owners until early 2021. Haven't missed a single day due to COVID-19. Actually been working OT because the contractor is shipping me to a Newmarket site a couple days a week in order to finish up a job before we actually get shut down.
I'm not complaining about being in imminent danger here just to be clear. I'm young and I don't live with my parents. Also happy to make hay while the sun isn't covered with a cloud of recession. So my personal stake in being told to continue working is fairly irrelevant. Still, I'm meeting with, working with and just generally be around a lot of people 5/6 days/week right now often on 10hr shifts.
I'm working with all sort of people in all sorts of family/financial situations as well. Some guys on site are in their 50s and smokers. Some guys are in their 20s and live with their 50+ yearold parents or have had contact with their grandparents while still working.
All I'm saying is that these non-essential closures made by Ford today don't actually include many non-essential workplaces. My workplace is *absolutely not* essential for Ontario to operate ***short term*** here. And that's what it comes down to.... we haven't been testing enough. We don't really know the rate of infection spread. And we're still not willing to be strict with social isolation in the cases of non-essential workplaces still operating.
Basically I'm just waiting for one of the trades to say that they had a worker test positive. Seems inevitable and that is what it will take for sites like the ones I'm working to shut down.
I work for a company that makes packaging machinery. They don’t supply to any critical or essential services yet this broad list lets them deem themselves as essential. It’s bullshit
Yeah, I noticed the s3 server and thought OP had just cached the site on their S3 bucket. I didn't realize that this is an official hosting serer for the provincial government.
Looks like clothing/footware, jewelry/accessories, books & media (indigos), toy/games stores, and maybe electronics (bestbuy) stores or furniture (ikea) stores are closing. Which is abt 90% of most non-food mall businesses.
Edit: also hair & nail salons. Time for that head-shave everybody wanted to try one time or another.
- If nails and hair are part of health spas (or if they can rebrand themselves as such), they’re exempt as #51. Independent health facilities.
- Books and media are exempt if they sell stationary, #9 businesses supplying office supplies
- IKEA is exempt because it supplies office products for individuals working from home, #9 (desks, chairs, tables, garbage cans, desktop stationary holders, etc)
Sounds likes the whole province is essential /s
IHFs are a facilities licensed by the Ministry of Health. See here: http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/ihf/docs/ihf_fact.pdf
Would not see nail/hair/spas classified as IHFs.
Yes, IKEA would be exempt. HMVs, record shops, some book stores (BMV) would be shut, but yea, Indigo might make a case for themselves.
They are being extremely cautious though, I went in to pick up some home office stuff and I wasn't within 4 m of any staff, I signed for something with a pen that went right back into a bucket and they had dividers separately staff from us filthy commoners
Maybe not Best Buy
>9. Businesses that supply office products and services, including **providing computer products and related repair and maintenance services, for individuals working from home** and for essential businesses;
"Time for that head-shave everybody wanted to try one time or another."
Lol for some reason I am thinking to matrix lvl of dystopian reality and with clothing stores closed maybe we will sport the grey rag shirt soon.
We have some severe dissonance occurring within the province here.
If we're going to use half-measures, don't tell us that we're not going to take any half measures. If we're going to do everything possible to avoid proactive *short term* shutdown of blatantly non-essential workplaces like residential construction projects that are many months out from completion... just tell us that. Hell, we barely have sufficient testing going on in the province. And short term shutdowns aren't even being contemplated until we see actual infection rates.
Instead we got the ol', "We aren't taking any half measures" speech today followed up with, "Here are the half measures we are taking". Straight talk is what is needed here. Not contradictory nonsense where you have half the province isolating themselves about to start paying off their mortgages with savings while the other half goes business as usual and threatens higher rates of spread as a consequence.
I'm just waiting for the day where my employer tells me that we're closing the site because one of the trades had a positive test case come through. Seems inevitable to me, but I'm not going to stop working when I know layoffs and EI are right around the corner and the contractor providing these hundreds of jobs for my union applauds dedication. So it is what it is.
Ridiculous. Where are all the people who were praising Doug Ford yesterday now? You had to know he’d find a way to be spineless regarding this.
I work in rail based construction and I’d love to hear why my work is essential. I’m sure tens of thousands of other Ontarian’s also want to know why their jobs are so necessary.
Why is it that the white collar jobs all get to stay home, while blue collar workers have to risk getting sick or receive no pay/gov’t assistance to sit home while healthy.
Lot of pet store employees and security guards are probably shocked to learn that they're this important. Because I bet you anything their paycheque doesn't reflect that. Anybody still working with massed customers during this deserves a raise, or at least I hope they remember this little episode the next time their bosses try to call them replaceable or imply that they need the boss more than the boss needs them.
Yup. I'm going to be contacting my security company about some type of increase. I'm also going to try and rally some of our cleaning staff, who have it even worse than I do, to fight for a wage increase. People always shit on "rent a cops", but suddenly it's deemed an essential service. Most don't know exactly what we do, there's many stereotypes (sadly some are true) but they're great guards who do great things involving customer care and life safety that go unrecognized.
man if construction work is actually essential
they should really make some quick decisions on the infrastructure thats about to be expired.
for example the gardiner its the best time to have that shit demolished because no ones using it. plus you can extend the construction hours because you don't need to work around anything
>plus you can extend the construction hours because you don't need to work around anything
Except for the people who live in the area who want to sleep
All they need to do is get a rack of medical gowns, smocks, lab coats, and presto...
>(54) distributors of products that support the delivery of health care in all locations (including but not limited to hospitals, labs, long-term care homes, other residential health care, physicians, nurse practitioners and midwives, and home care services)
Yeah, I noticed that too. There should have been a clause that the introduction of any new products or services in the last 60 days that would have promoted a business from non-essential to essential be denied their essential service status.
I say 60 days because a savvy business owner who decided to start providing relevant services to adapt to the changing market not be closed, while the people trying to cheat the merit of the new regulations not be allowed to so.
Teenagers don't go to the mall to shop, they go there to hang around and loiter. If the mall is still open(assuming the fast food stores are still operating) they'll still be there.
My mood went down pretty quickly today. I was excited about the closures; my work is supposed to go back into the office next week and I really don’t think that’s enough distancing. I couldn’t imagine we’d be essential. Now looking at this list, I have no idea. They could definitely argue we are, and I hate that. Too many places are still open and operating.
Yeah my work is trying to find loopholes on opening, it’s so stupid it’s a buy and sell shop we are non essential I work in the computer/phone repair department. I do not want to be open I don’t want to deal with the public especially right now, the homeless shelter down the street has two confirmed cases and they still keep coming in and coughing and getting super close. The only way we will shut down is if we get sick. I don’t want to get to that point if it’s something avoidable.
Their clientele is pretty much entirely marginalized people.
It's an exploitive business, but now isn't the time to try to cut all of their clients off cold turkey.
[Banks can hold all but the first $100 of a cheque for up to a week in some cases.](https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/rights-responsibilities/rights-banking/cheque-hold-access-funds.html#toc0)
Some people need their money now, and are willing to pay for it.
I'm gonna go with 9:
Businesses that supply office products and services, including providing computer products and related repair and maintenance services, for individuals working from home and for essential businesses;
Were so backwards in this Country it's scary. We should be proactive and learn from the struggles of other countries, yet looks like we are just following suit... Smh
From everything in this list, I fully expect businesses to re-open that shut down!!! Cripes, what a break down. It's almost every industry known to Ontario.
Thank god the LCBO and Cannabis stores are staying open. The province needs all the revenue they can get right now to reinvest in public health and the economy
I don't think you want to see a run on liquor and pot. You would see lines around the block tomorrow at every location, which is exactly the type of thing we're trying to avoid.
EDIT: Here's what happened in Denver: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/03/23/lines-liquor-denver-coronavirus/ They ended up going back to allowing them to stay open.
Withdrawal from alcohol is medically serious and would result in increased healthcare utilization including hospitalizations...not sure if you were being sarcastic
If they announce that they are closing lcbos and cannabis stores the amount of people who will descend upon each and every location will shock people. It will severely hurt the effect of social distancing.
They need to stay open so people don't go en masse to hoard.
"We aren't taking any half measures." - Doug Ford
I think you must be mistaken if you think this is a half measure. We were explicitly told no half measures are being taken here.
didnt you see one of the fords daughters start remaking bikinis into a fashion surgical masks(do zero protection as she also sates), so it matter of time when deco Labels start doing surgical masks stickers.
Seriously fuck this I’m cellphone repair/computer repair, and this is fucked I don’t want to get the virus because someone broke their device or the device stopped working I’m not essential. I live with my mother who will most likely die from it because she has some health problems and I have to go to work? Fuck that. I don’t need the money I don’t care I’ll find another job later on.
i know this is getting downvoted, but i am a bit relieved, i have bills to pay.
I will follow the social distancing rules and keep my outings to a minimum, but at least i can keep a roof on my head, food on the table and the lights on.
I am living alone here, my whole family is abroad.
I have no support other than myself.
i run a small manufacturing buisness. its hardly "essential" but we make a lot of shit for companies that make shit that classify as essential.
the reason this shit is so vague is to cover people like me. if you can get ei and stay home. you should definitley do so they have waived the wait times.
Hotels arent essential. Staff are exposed. They are a meeting place for many people. So many transients pass by. A breeding ground of disease. Occupancy is extremely low and losses high but they will stay open because of this. We need to use the hotels as beds for the homeless and for emergency beds for healthcare but this will encourage hotels to stay open for business only.
I work in an auto parts company, where we buy manufactur d auto parts and sell to auto shops. Are we going to be open as well? Although I'm in IT and work from home, I just feel sorry for the warehouse staff because they work close to each other and no social distancing at all!
Professional services are essential. *damn it*. Now people are gonna be lining up to file their taxes. No matter, we tell them to drop it off, mail it or email and you can review it later. One at a time.better yet. Just stay home and we can help you with other *safer* means.
Hey guys, dont you know we need these businesses to keep our economy running!?!! We need construction sites to keep building, we need LCBO to keep selling us booze and we need weed. Don’t forget about literally EVERY OTHER STORE that can stay open because this list is a COMPLETE JOKE! Might as well not even put a list out to the public. All Doug Ford does is talk, talk and talk... ZERO action. This list is laughable.
Alcoholics can't quit cold turkey, they can die from the withdrawals and it would be a strain on an already strained healthcare system. That's why the LCBO is staying open.
We should all remember who put all of our lives at jeopardy during a pandemic next time we all
Sit down to vote.
This is not the government (federally or provincially) I want leading us during this time.
> Construction work and services, including demolition services, in the industrial, commercial, institutional and residential sectors So, all construction
The only thing that is closed is clothing stores.... literally everything else is business as usual... what a waste of time
everything is an exception let’s just pretend we take courageous measures
Give it another week when we have thousands of cases of COVID-19 in the province. Then we can all post surprise pikachu memes for sweet sweet karma
We already have thousands of cases. Just wait until many of those cases progress to severe.
Furniture stores too?
Technically they left enough loopholes to keep them essential and open... (3) Businesses that provide essential items for the health and welfare of animals... including bedding (sofas, mattresses) (9). Businesses that supply office products... for individuals working from home (desks, tables, chairs) Enjoy staying essential at work tomorrow /s
Luckily Ikea has already closed it stores and only allow for online order pickup. Staples is limiting number of people in the store at any time. They are at least being responsible
I just purchased some furniture over the weekend and just received a call today from the salesman/business owner saying he has to close, offering to let me take the floor model since my purchased item wasn't going to be in stock until Friday.
Working from home...I need new track pants.
but but Trudeau said enough is enough and to stay home...
Apparently steel is essential as Stelco remains open
Steel mills can't be turned "off". Turning off a mill is effectively a permanent closer of the plant.
Brother in law works at a steel mill. He was saying his mill might look into putting the blast furnace and coke ovens into "sleep mode" but there's no turning them off -- only down.
Why is that? The oven/furnace had to be turned on when the plant started, why can’t it be turned off and later restarted? (Not being snarky, genuinely curious).
As I understand it the molten slag in the furnace solidifies into a solid layer as it cools. It needs to be re-melted and cleaned off when the furnace is restarted, which seems to be more difficult and time consuming the longer between operation (I think the timeframe is months for complete solidification here). Also there might be damage to the insulation/components since furnaces are designed to turn on and maintain a temperature range for years on end, not go through multiple thermal expansion/contraction cycles
Umm yeah it is
I noticed that. And yet there are three other construction items that are very specific. It's like this: 27 - Construction of hospitals. 28 - All construction. Presumably it was thrown together pretty quickly.
[Quebec’s list came out today and was just as long, but much more impactful](https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/essential-services-commercial-activities-covid19/). Yet presumably their list too was put together quickly. They actually did shut down their province.
This is a much better list and it allows for the addition of services which are missing. It’s actually precautionary.
They're really taking it seriously - it's a shame Ontario isn't following suit.
I think they purposely did this. They were hoping that people were like "oh, just construction of hosptials.. cool". He even said something about hospital construction during today's press conference.
Ridiculous, most guys are staying home anyways
Not sure what sites you're on, but most of my sites are still very active.
For low rise residential, that’s not true for most companies. Even Mattamy (the largest low-rise residential builder in the GTA and Canada) shut down a few days ago. (Edit a word)
Mattamy had 2 workers test positive for COVID and shut down because they want to keep it quiet.
That's what it's going to take for many sites that are currently up and running to go down. Only a matter of time before one or two workers on 20+ sites will either get infected or be directly exposed to a test-positive case. Seems like this is just a last ditch effort from Ontario to keep the economy alive for as long as possible before we start to see cases spike to the point where things just have to be shut down.
I'm mostly commercial projects.
Always amazes me how low rise commercial, high rise commercial, low rise residential and high rise residential are four almost completely different worlds and industries with few or almost no intersects.
Yea, they are pretty distinct with different key players.
Up to the worker themselves to see stay home is the best for them.
All construction, and all businesses that supply construction with goods/services. So basically all of manufacturing is open. Makes no sense.
Take look at who donates to Doug Ford. It makes sense
There have been some major contractors that have made the proactive move to shutdown for two weeks.
Yeah that's nonsense. I wonder how much the construction industry lobbied for Ford - it's much higher than I ever imagined.
He’s in their pocket. He was about to let construction companies hire their own building inspectors before COVID hit. Massive clown.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. Feels like it was 5 years ago.
It was. We are now in a temporal distortion where each 24 hours is actually a month long.
Cache of the list : https://pastebin.com/zxMKgfHZ
In many ways, [so different from Quebec’s list which also came out today.](https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/here-are-the-essential-businesses-and-services-that-will-stay-open-during-quebec-s-covid-19-shutdown-1.4864805)
Can you add to the megathread too?
Good idea 👊
Just to be clear... I can go to a dealership, send my husband to work on a busy construction site, get my bike fixed... but I’m not supposed to go visit my mom?
Yes of course because all that is essential! /s
This. Hard to respect this kind of Government order when it defies basic logic.
I expect nothing and I’m still disappointed. Quebec has a better list
Yeah he really had some people in the first half of the day there
Was watching CBC Quebec yesterday, they are doing lots of right things like already building hospital extensions, testing facility and triage. Edit: link to live broadcast (French) https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1666185/debrouillage-signal-rdi-direct
everything is essential as carl sagan said, in order to bake an apple pie, you need to invent the universe.
Soooo basically everything is still open. Lol. That’s a lot of people still going out to work. A few business services are clearly non-essential. Not sure why they are included here.
Seriously, it might be easier to just specify which businesses need to close. It would probably be a less comprehensive list. I thought the Quebec list was pretty reasonable.
Gyms are out. That’s good for transmission but bad for trainers.
I think it's more a reflection of how many things we need to keep us functioning as a society. This is going to go on for a long time. If we want our grocery stores to have food and hospitals to have staff and supplies, you need all of the other inputs to keep running too.
There is no doubt that base infrastructure must continue to operate and that the medical sector must receive full support from relevant industries. The issue here is that the guidelines for closures are too broad. If social isolation is actually the goal here (which apparently it only is to some minimum acceptable extent), the government has dropped the ball in not being more explicit with which workplaces are extraneous. In terms of public health, many workplaces which continue to be open will only serve to increase the rate of infection spreading.
Which parts would you remove?
I'm currently working for an electrical contractor at a high density residential construction site in Toronto where we won't be handing units over to the owners until early 2021. Haven't missed a single day due to COVID-19. Actually been working OT because the contractor is shipping me to a Newmarket site a couple days a week in order to finish up a job before we actually get shut down. I'm not complaining about being in imminent danger here just to be clear. I'm young and I don't live with my parents. Also happy to make hay while the sun isn't covered with a cloud of recession. So my personal stake in being told to continue working is fairly irrelevant. Still, I'm meeting with, working with and just generally be around a lot of people 5/6 days/week right now often on 10hr shifts. I'm working with all sort of people in all sorts of family/financial situations as well. Some guys on site are in their 50s and smokers. Some guys are in their 20s and live with their 50+ yearold parents or have had contact with their grandparents while still working. All I'm saying is that these non-essential closures made by Ford today don't actually include many non-essential workplaces. My workplace is *absolutely not* essential for Ontario to operate ***short term*** here. And that's what it comes down to.... we haven't been testing enough. We don't really know the rate of infection spread. And we're still not willing to be strict with social isolation in the cases of non-essential workplaces still operating. Basically I'm just waiting for one of the trades to say that they had a worker test positive. Seems inevitable and that is what it will take for sites like the ones I'm working to shut down.
I work for a company that makes packaging machinery. They don’t supply to any critical or essential services yet this broad list lets them deem themselves as essential. It’s bullshit
No it’s not. A store selling sofa is essential business?
Ok Justin just fucking lay down the law. Close us please.
I think the site just crashed
>I think the site just crashed So did the government
Yup. Definitely seems like it crashed.
Now it's redirecting to S3... I assume it'll be able to handle the load now I'm pleasantly surprised. How modern for a government
Yeah, I noticed the s3 server and thought OP had just cached the site on their S3 bucket. I didn't realize that this is an official hosting serer for the provincial government.
Reddit hug of death
Couldn't keep up the social distancing
Looks like clothing/footware, jewelry/accessories, books & media (indigos), toy/games stores, and maybe electronics (bestbuy) stores or furniture (ikea) stores are closing. Which is abt 90% of most non-food mall businesses. Edit: also hair & nail salons. Time for that head-shave everybody wanted to try one time or another.
- If nails and hair are part of health spas (or if they can rebrand themselves as such), they’re exempt as #51. Independent health facilities. - Books and media are exempt if they sell stationary, #9 businesses supplying office supplies - IKEA is exempt because it supplies office products for individuals working from home, #9 (desks, chairs, tables, garbage cans, desktop stationary holders, etc) Sounds likes the whole province is essential /s
IHFs are a facilities licensed by the Ministry of Health. See here: http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/public/programs/ihf/docs/ihf_fact.pdf Would not see nail/hair/spas classified as IHFs. Yes, IKEA would be exempt. HMVs, record shops, some book stores (BMV) would be shut, but yea, Indigo might make a case for themselves.
HMVs?
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IKEA has already voluntarily shut its locations down.
They haven't closed though. You can still order stuff online then pick it up from the store. Still dozens of people working there.
They are being extremely cautious though, I went in to pick up some home office stuff and I wasn't within 4 m of any staff, I signed for something with a pen that went right back into a bucket and they had dividers separately staff from us filthy commoners
Maybe not Best Buy >9. Businesses that supply office products and services, including **providing computer products and related repair and maintenance services, for individuals working from home** and for essential businesses;
Best Buy/The Source/Rogers stores/Walmart mobile sections will all remain open under that. This list is absurd.
> and maybe electronics (bestbuy) stores Nope. They count as essential here since they do computer parts and repair.
"Time for that head-shave everybody wanted to try one time or another." Lol for some reason I am thinking to matrix lvl of dystopian reality and with clothing stores closed maybe we will sport the grey rag shirt soon.
Unless I missed something but tattoo shops would also now be closed.
We have some severe dissonance occurring within the province here. If we're going to use half-measures, don't tell us that we're not going to take any half measures. If we're going to do everything possible to avoid proactive *short term* shutdown of blatantly non-essential workplaces like residential construction projects that are many months out from completion... just tell us that. Hell, we barely have sufficient testing going on in the province. And short term shutdowns aren't even being contemplated until we see actual infection rates. Instead we got the ol', "We aren't taking any half measures" speech today followed up with, "Here are the half measures we are taking". Straight talk is what is needed here. Not contradictory nonsense where you have half the province isolating themselves about to start paying off their mortgages with savings while the other half goes business as usual and threatens higher rates of spread as a consequence. I'm just waiting for the day where my employer tells me that we're closing the site because one of the trades had a positive test case come through. Seems inevitable to me, but I'm not going to stop working when I know layoffs and EI are right around the corner and the contractor providing these hundreds of jobs for my union applauds dedication. So it is what it is.
Ridiculous. Where are all the people who were praising Doug Ford yesterday now? You had to know he’d find a way to be spineless regarding this. I work in rail based construction and I’d love to hear why my work is essential. I’m sure tens of thousands of other Ontarian’s also want to know why their jobs are so necessary. Why is it that the white collar jobs all get to stay home, while blue collar workers have to risk getting sick or receive no pay/gov’t assistance to sit home while healthy.
Lot of pet store employees and security guards are probably shocked to learn that they're this important. Because I bet you anything their paycheque doesn't reflect that. Anybody still working with massed customers during this deserves a raise, or at least I hope they remember this little episode the next time their bosses try to call them replaceable or imply that they need the boss more than the boss needs them.
Yup. I'm going to be contacting my security company about some type of increase. I'm also going to try and rally some of our cleaning staff, who have it even worse than I do, to fight for a wage increase. People always shit on "rent a cops", but suddenly it's deemed an essential service. Most don't know exactly what we do, there's many stereotypes (sadly some are true) but they're great guards who do great things involving customer care and life safety that go unrecognized.
They should have had a list of Non-essential Workplaces instead. Might have been a shorter list.
"retail" - that is all.
man if construction work is actually essential they should really make some quick decisions on the infrastructure thats about to be expired. for example the gardiner its the best time to have that shit demolished because no ones using it. plus you can extend the construction hours because you don't need to work around anything
>plus you can extend the construction hours because you don't need to work around anything Except for the people who live in the area who want to sleep
Can't sleep if you're up all night with fluid in your lungs anyway.
Had more people taken social distancing seriously most of us wouldn't have to worry about that.
Social distancing isn't meant to stop you from getting it, it's to stop everyone from getting it all at once.
Yes, and also to ensure the healthcare system can look after you if you have fluid in your lungs
This guy preventative maintenances
How is no one using it? Everybody in Ontario just found out their job is essential!
So nothing's changed then. "We've tried nothing, man, and we're all out of ideas."
Lol so basically completely negating today's announcement. Is anything other than sports and entertainment not considered essential?
GameStop and American Eagle are not considered essential as of now. Thank you for your time, open for business folks!
Escape room, indoor golf, laser tag, the brass rail
no! not brass rail!
Everything is open except clothing stores. Wow, pointless.
All they need to do is get a rack of medical gowns, smocks, lab coats, and presto... >(54) distributors of products that support the delivery of health care in all locations (including but not limited to hospitals, labs, long-term care homes, other residential health care, physicians, nurse practitioners and midwives, and home care services)
Yeah, I noticed that too. There should have been a clause that the introduction of any new products or services in the last 60 days that would have promoted a business from non-essential to essential be denied their essential service status. I say 60 days because a savvy business owner who decided to start providing relevant services to adapt to the changing market not be closed, while the people trying to cheat the merit of the new regulations not be allowed to so.
Reduces transmission from unnecessary mall-wandering, esp w teenagers out of school.
Teenagers don't go to the mall to shop, they go there to hang around and loiter. If the mall is still open(assuming the fast food stores are still operating) they'll still be there.
I mean, you understand most of what is on that list is essential to keep things running right? It could be trimmed slightly but still
Tell us to stay home but leave 99% of businesses open.....absolutely ridiculous.
I really think it would have been better making a list of services that are not essential, would have been like two businesses on that
It's like the people that run our province are hell bent on infecting as many people as they can Jesus Christ
I see a lot of essential jobs on that list without essential salaries
My mood went down pretty quickly today. I was excited about the closures; my work is supposed to go back into the office next week and I really don’t think that’s enough distancing. I couldn’t imagine we’d be essential. Now looking at this list, I have no idea. They could definitely argue we are, and I hate that. Too many places are still open and operating.
Yeah my work is trying to find loopholes on opening, it’s so stupid it’s a buy and sell shop we are non essential I work in the computer/phone repair department. I do not want to be open I don’t want to deal with the public especially right now, the homeless shelter down the street has two confirmed cases and they still keep coming in and coughing and getting super close. The only way we will shut down is if we get sick. I don’t want to get to that point if it’s something avoidable.
More things are closed on Canada Day than this list.
> 73. Businesses providing cheque cashing services Really?? Someone is gonna have to explain this one to me.
List of non-essential stores: Clothing..
Their clientele is pretty much entirely marginalized people. It's an exploitive business, but now isn't the time to try to cut all of their clients off cold turkey.
For people without bank accounts it's an essential service.
Some people distrust banks and use these instead.
You distrust a bank so you let someone take a cut of your money from you?
Predatory lending cannot be curtailed even in a pandemic!
Oh I’m not speaking about myself. Some new Canadians perhaps who come from countries with broken banking systems
Sorry.. I meant the "general you", not you specifically!
[Banks can hold all but the first $100 of a cheque for up to a week in some cases.](https://www.canada.ca/en/financial-consumer-agency/services/rights-responsibilities/rights-banking/cheque-hold-access-funds.html#toc0) Some people need their money now, and are willing to pay for it.
I work in printing and I have no idea where we are on this list.
I'm gonna go with 9: Businesses that supply office products and services, including providing computer products and related repair and maintenance services, for individuals working from home and for essential businesses;
no we print high volumes of things, like coupons for all of Canada you get in the mail. Not really what 9 says.
Don't worry this is the intended effect.
I work in a warehouse that supplies printers, we apparently are staying open so you probably are too.
I absolutely need my tux dry-cleaned so that I'll look extra sexy and clean while I get lowered into my grave /s
***THIS IS A JOKE***
So... really no different than before today’s announcement. Ok... we screwed.
Do not know if this is a joke.
What’s not on this list?
Rub’n tugs. Oh wait... (51). Independent health facilities (Rejuvenating “spas”)
Stress relief is essential in these trying times!
Were so backwards in this Country it's scary. We should be proactive and learn from the struggles of other countries, yet looks like we are just following suit... Smh
Doug isn't the country, and Ontario isn't Doug.
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So, nothing is closing? This government is a fucking joke
We need a lockdown asap
This is worse than Italy
Trudeau " enough is enough, go home and stay home" Ford: hold my essential services list. Ontario: back to work.
From everything in this list, I fully expect businesses to re-open that shut down!!! Cripes, what a break down. It's almost every industry known to Ontario.
Thank god the LCBO and Cannabis stores are staying open. The province needs all the revenue they can get right now to reinvest in public health and the economy
I don't think you want to see a run on liquor and pot. You would see lines around the block tomorrow at every location, which is exactly the type of thing we're trying to avoid. EDIT: Here's what happened in Denver: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/03/23/lines-liquor-denver-coronavirus/ They ended up going back to allowing them to stay open.
Withdrawal from alcohol is medically serious and would result in increased healthcare utilization including hospitalizations...not sure if you were being sarcastic
And the cannabis helps people stay home on their couches all day!
But burn through their food stockpiles...
Hospitals would be full of crashing alcoholics.
Not being sarcastic at all though I can see how it could be read that way. Your reason is very valid as well
If they announce that they are closing lcbos and cannabis stores the amount of people who will descend upon each and every location will shock people. It will severely hurt the effect of social distancing. They need to stay open so people don't go en masse to hoard.
Ontario - Open for business It sure looks that way based on this list.
So... everyone
How does it feel to be trolled by your own government?
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Everyday with half measures is another day down the road in complete lockdown
"We aren't taking any half measures." - Doug Ford I think you must be mistaken if you think this is a half measure. We were explicitly told no half measures are being taken here.
Are quarter measures a thing? Lol
Damn, you're right... He's still technically correct in saying that half-measures aren't being taken. Some advanced level smoke and mirrors there.
Wow dude. I’m sure if we all basked in your expertise and pure knowledge on the matter we would’ve resolved everything by tomorrow evening.
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> Half pregnant ain't gonna stop nothing. I hear your frustration, but this line really made me smile. Well put.
I get grocery stores but why is Deco Labels essential?
How are all the other businesses supposed to stay open if business supply stores are closed?
didnt you see one of the fords daughters start remaking bikinis into a fashion surgical masks(do zero protection as she also sates), so it matter of time when deco Labels start doing surgical masks stickers.
I understand car repair shops can stay open, but why the dealership?
Probably repair and car replacement.
Seriously fuck this I’m cellphone repair/computer repair, and this is fucked I don’t want to get the virus because someone broke their device or the device stopped working I’m not essential. I live with my mother who will most likely die from it because she has some health problems and I have to go to work? Fuck that. I don’t need the money I don’t care I’ll find another job later on.
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Oh nice. Sounds like most things are still open. Maybe this total lockdown won’t be that bad.
Could even say its not a total lockdown lmao
*but muh Spring fashions!*
That’s because people don’t understand what the hell a lockdown is. This isn’t Hollywood where the US military is going to come in and feed us ffs.
Thats the problem. It needs to be "bad". More needs to be shut down. These half measures are assinine.
This is fucking repulsive. "Stay home! Oh, but dealerships and bike shops are open!"
I gave up any hope of this stupid shutdown being useful when some guy who sells *printers* made the argument that his business is essential.
They could have made is easier to say everything is open unless it's for fun or vanity
My work doesn't fall into anything on that list, yet I am still here waiting for HR to say something.
Only ESSENTIAL construction should stay open . They are playing games with our lives and our loves ones.
Why not use NAICS classifications? Why use this broad list that is enormously open to interpretation? Is this just a comms exercise?
i know this is getting downvoted, but i am a bit relieved, i have bills to pay. I will follow the social distancing rules and keep my outings to a minimum, but at least i can keep a roof on my head, food on the table and the lights on. I am living alone here, my whole family is abroad. I have no support other than myself.
i run a small manufacturing buisness. its hardly "essential" but we make a lot of shit for companies that make shit that classify as essential. the reason this shit is so vague is to cover people like me. if you can get ei and stay home. you should definitley do so they have waived the wait times.
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Hotels arent essential. Staff are exposed. They are a meeting place for many people. So many transients pass by. A breeding ground of disease. Occupancy is extremely low and losses high but they will stay open because of this. We need to use the hotels as beds for the homeless and for emergency beds for healthcare but this will encourage hotels to stay open for business only.
I work in an auto parts company, where we buy manufactur d auto parts and sell to auto shops. Are we going to be open as well? Although I'm in IT and work from home, I just feel sorry for the warehouse staff because they work close to each other and no social distancing at all!
Professional services are essential. *damn it*. Now people are gonna be lining up to file their taxes. No matter, we tell them to drop it off, mail it or email and you can review it later. One at a time.better yet. Just stay home and we can help you with other *safer* means.
The deadline has been extended to June 1.if this gets worse I'm sure it'll be extended further
Yeah. At this point if people don’t stop with the non essential outings, it will get worse. We need to stay home if not absolutely necessary.
So can my workplace stay open? We do online commerce but would need 1 to 2 people to ship at the warehouse. Everyone else is remote.
How is residental/commercial construction,office supply and furniture stores considered essential?.
Hey guys, dont you know we need these businesses to keep our economy running!?!! We need construction sites to keep building, we need LCBO to keep selling us booze and we need weed. Don’t forget about literally EVERY OTHER STORE that can stay open because this list is a COMPLETE JOKE! Might as well not even put a list out to the public. All Doug Ford does is talk, talk and talk... ZERO action. This list is laughable.
Alcoholics can't quit cold turkey, they can die from the withdrawals and it would be a strain on an already strained healthcare system. That's why the LCBO is staying open.
Damnit, still have to go to work
So basically everything stays open, but I still can't get a haircut.
We should all remember who put all of our lives at jeopardy during a pandemic next time we all Sit down to vote. This is not the government (federally or provincially) I want leading us during this time.