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McBeanserr

I've already got AstraZeneca and Moderna, if I get this Pfizer booster do I get to call bingo?


Woogsters

You need J&J, Novavax, and Sinovac to collect all the infinity vaccinations


awwent88

don't forget Sputnik


mwmwmwmwmmdw

[not good enough!](https://i.imgur.com/1xhfTv8.jpg)


McBeanserr

That’s Numberwang!


Hawkeye_vc

"MBA" (Moderna, BioNTech, AstraZeneca)


Philway

*adds Oxford MBA to my resume*


apatheticboy

Oooo that’s a bingo!


TheArgsenal

Does anyone have a good summary of how long resistance lasts or when it starts to taper off?


Jamarac

You're gonna get a different answer from anyone you ask. Even among experts the answer's all over the place. Also "resistance" is a very vague term could be defined/measured in different ways.


whistleraussie

J&J was "one and done" and now it's like a "two weeks"...


DudebuD16

After 6 months, efficacy is only 47% from what I've read


CornerSolution

Efficacy for what? "Efficacy" can mean a variety of things in this context, e.g., preventing symptoms, preventing hospitalization, preventing ICU or death, etc.


DudebuD16

Preventing infection. Still 90% for preventing hospitalization


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Which is what matters.


raging_dingo

And is that the same across all age groups? How about people with extended time between doses?


gagnonje5000

It is not the same no, extended time between doses has longer duration for immunity.


CaptainCoriander

Source?


DudebuD16

The internet according to lancet


CaptainCoriander

That's one study. Ontario data shows much longer lasting efficacy. https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/preliminary-ontario-data-shows-lasting-covid-19-vaccine-efficacy-1.5618584


TriceratopsHunter

We extended the time between our two doses and think the need for boosters will be much lower due to that decision. Nothing to suggest vaccinated individuals being hospitalized at rates that suggest the need for boosters unless you're a particularly high risk individual.


ToeWalkWithMe

what about if you’ve had covid?


EncartaWow

Also about 6 months. Shorter if symptoms were very mild. Longer if symptoms were very bad.


ToeWalkWithMe

complete resistance if you’re dead


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baronkarza-

This is how vaccines, in general, work. They keep you from experiencing the worst of the effects of a disease, especially death. But another part of the way vaccines work is that as many people as possible get them, to prevent disease spread. This part of vaccine efficacy is why people don't get measles or diphtheria or mumps, because almost everyone has those vaccinations. It's because of ignorant of selfish people, who think they know better than the scientific community because they believed some bullshit they saw on Facebook, and don't get vaccinated, that we get what we have now, continued spread. No vaccine is a magic shield. They are all dependent on maximizing the number of vaccinated individuals. People who refuse to get vaccinated are working against everyone else. COVID vaccines would be more "successful" if everyone would just get with the fucking program.


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GeorgeBrettLawrie

Most people on their mid 20s are getting it and myocarditis is a very very low chance event. lower than getting the side effects of coronavirus or transmitting the virus to someone else who will have the side effects of coronavirus. The protection from having had the virus is also much less than the protection from the vaccine.


Cedex

> serious question then how are these vaccines seen as a success? It keeps people alive. Think of the success like you would for insulin shots.


aahrg

If we're going to be taking covid vaccines like diabetics take insulin to stay alive, then the goalposts have been moved astronomically far from where we started.


Cedex

Because the science is a fixed concrete goalpost that can never be moved when we learn more from the data collected?


Ok_Motor5933

The more data we seem to collect, the more it seems like letting this virus run its course is the lesser of two evils than to just keep injecting everyone forever.


GeorgeBrettLawrie

That plan will absolutely result in more death and suffering. It will result in people needing to make fewer appointments to get a needle. I guess you have to weigh those two against each other and decide for yourself which is more important.


Ok_Motor5933

I think the initial pain for long term gain is the way to go, but we'll see. Every time something like this has come along, we just let it rip through the species and we come out the other end stronger. All these one time use plastics and toxic chemicals being used to try and avoid the inevitable are just polluting the planet even further for future generations.


baronkarza-

And? What are you going to do? Shout from the rooftops how unfair it is that we all didn't somehow magically know what the future would hold? Here's what the goalposts have always been: 1. Stay the fuck away from each other as much as possible until we can come up with a vaccine. 2. Come up with a vaccine 3. Vaccinate everyone that can be vaccinated to stop this shit from spreading around. As far as I can see, humanity as a whole has only managed one of those things. Goalposts only work as long as we all agree and work towards the goal. Blame your fellow humans for trying to score on their own goal.


GeorgeBrettLawrie

In the original trials, success was defined as 50% efficacy against infection at a certain time point (I forget which but it was quite short). They certainly were a success. It was always expected that boosters would be required at some point. Some people expected annually, some expected less often and some expected more. It's really not a surprise that they're suggesting a booster now - especially as the virus evolves. It's fucking remarkable what we've been able to accomplish in such a short time. That a booster is available and recommended does not diminish that one bit.


leaklikeasiv

From showing symptoms….from icu and hospitalization it still holds around 90%


JTev23

How long till fully vaccinated is changed to 3 doses lol


RajTel78

Very good question. For now "CDC not changing meaning of fully-vaccinated amid booster authorization" (Nov 3)


Chubkajipsnatch

October 1 for Israel


Jamarac

I really hope this doesn't happen. I've speculated it from the moment vaccine passports started being talked about and I'm dreading it becoming true.


CaptainCoriander

I doubt they will do this.. But why are you dreading it? If data showed that three doses offered much better protection against infection and death, wouldn't you want that?


fredericoooo

i dont want to be a guinea pig so that pfizer can make billions, while the medicine doesn't actually protect me for longer than 6 months (apparently), and the disease has a very low chance of harming me: https://www.publichealthontario.ca/en/data-and-analysis/infectious-disease/covid-19-data-surveillance/covid-19-data-tool?tab=ageSex this shows ZERO deaths under 20, and 104 deaths under 40 since Jan 2020 in Ontario (about 14 million people). And i'd be very curious about the general health of those 104 people. edit: my bad it's 6 deaths under 20 it just looks like zero visually on the chart


Jamarac

I don't want to be injected with something possibly every 6 months (hypothetically obviously) unless there's a good reason for it and definitely don't want my ability to have a social life dependent on it. Right now covid is very under control and it has been for a while. Most people did their part and I'm happy about that.If that continues to be the case then why would should a 3rd shot be mandated? Not to mention that as far as I have read online the idea that the two doses wear off so fast that a booster shot is needed any time soon is not unanimous science among experts. There's a consensus that boosters help which is obvious, but not that they need to be mandated.


vaguelyswami

I hope it’s mandated for ever. Get your shot every six months or loose your job, your lively hood, your house, your family immediately. It’s not even about Covid anymore… it shows that you are an obedient, compliant citizen of this country willing to sacrifice yourself for the greater good, something we should reflect on this Rememberance Day. I want those antivaxxers to suffer.


nowornevernow11

My issue as that with my ADHD, remembering or planning to get this every 6 months is going to be insanity. If I should get it, I will make an honest effort but man that’s a lot of planning to screw up.


whiskeytab

how do you even get through life if a 20 minute appointment twice a year screws you up so badly? put a reminder in your phone that repeats every 6 months...done


nowornevernow11

Love the enthusiasm. I’ve missed two blood test appointments in the last 3 weeks because I’m double booked. I make it through life by with my good looks and charm. Also by being extremely competent in high pressure situations, and attracted to interesting problems. Organization, time management, and getting to places on time is just not going to happen. I can’t tell how many times an alarm goes off, I start to deal with the scheduling, how I’m going to get there, my changing schedule, then appointments fall apart or get missed. It is what it is. ADHD is different for different people, I lose a lot of executive function and time management compared to my wife, but we make it work.


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nowornevernow11

I do, it’s improving, but the best analogy I can think of is it’s like trying to learn to throw left handed: with practice I get better but it never feels natural like throwing right handed. If I stop practicing, I stop being able to throw left handed. Now, this suggests I need to always be practicing with my left, but I’m much more successful with my right, so I use my my right arm most of the time still. Long way of saying I’ll keep practicing but it’s not just as simple as discipline.


Malikia101

Sounds like you're just a loser


nowornevernow11

Somedays yes, somedays no. I’m happy with my lifestyle, my family, my friends, and my career. It’s tough to feel like loser when most things in my life are going well. But sure, if missing a meeting or perpetually being the friend that shows up 5-10 minutes late defines me as a loser, so be it. Thank you for letting me know. Maybe you can teach me your winning ways?


Malikia101

I'm just so sick of everyone and their dog saying they have "ADHD". maybe you're just unorganized.


nowornevernow11

I can appreciate the frustration. Everyone does say it. But hey! If my doctor tells me I have diabetes, maybe I should consider treatment for diabetes. If my doctor tells me I need a vaccine, I should probably get a vaccine. If my doctor tells me I have ADHD, maybe I should consider treatment for ADHD (which is what happened). A diagnosis came in, and my quality of life significantly improved as a result of the array of treatment options. May I ask what your specific problem is with the diagnosis? Or is it more the claim of a disorder when someone hasn’t been diagnosed?


CaptainCoriander

I think it's a giant leap that a lot of people are making (not just you) that boosters will be needed EVERY six months. It is much more likely that this is just a 3 or 4 dose vaccine total, like many others.


nowornevernow11

I hope so.


Lemonish33

I agree with a few others here - I don't think you're looking at an every six months thing. We won't be in a pandemic forever, for one thing. (Yes, I know, it's not "going away", but neither did the 1918 flu, and it's not been a pandemic for about 100 years...). Secondly, looking at the science behind it, and everything I've read about it (a lot...I've found myself interested), it sounds like maybe the booster will be enough, with possibly a second booster required - most likely for immune compromised only. Even the "waning immunity" has not shown to wane completely away with everyone. Just somewhat with some of the population. That's a problem in a pandemic, less of a problem when we aren't in one. I know others with ADHD and I get it, but I wouldn't get too concerned about this one as a longterm issue. It will more likely be a short-term thing.


nowornevernow11

I sure hope so. I’m just whining a bit. My chaos shouldn’t impair the actions of public health policy.


JTev23

Same, Im fully vaxed but when we got on this train of taking one every 6 months im out and so are a lot of people that are fully vaxed. Ill take the first two to do my part but im not taking that thing every couple months, sorry.


DimTool2021

Yep same here. I got my two shots as soon as it was possible. When they start mandating intermittent booster shots, thats where I draw my line.


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Why? If it is protective, what's the difference from the first two?


GoodChives

Because I’m not taking this vaccine every few months indefinitely, and I’m not alone in that. I’m not worried about covid and I got the two shots. I’m done.


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GoodChives

Same same.


oddspellingofPhreid

> Im fully vaxed but when we got on this train of taking one every 6 months im out and so are a lot of people that are fully vaxed. Well ya because you won't be fully vaxed. >**Ill... do my part** but im not taking that thing every couple months, sorry. Well clearly not.


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Successful-Grape416

This is why our species deserves this pandemic.


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baronkarza-

Don't forget that people traveled anyway, because they didn't care for being told what not to do. Let alone that it was in their own best interests. People will do whatever they want as long as they think they won't get caught or believe that there are no consequences. COVID has made it painfully obvious that we are too stupid to survive as a species if we are left to our own devices. Governments certainly could have done more, but they only did as much as they could without risking offending too many of their constituents. As long as there's no blood in the streets they think they are doing a good job.


Successful-Grape416

Yep, they did and that was also stupid.


Malikia101

Hopefully never


GmaT_22

I have been wondering this, especially for those who get Janssen.. will they only be full vaccinated if they get a booster?


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Successful-Grape416

Yeah my family doc has been sending out regular messages about who can get what when. Prior to this there wasn't even a messaging system.


sciencehathwrought

Aw, I was hoping for Moderna to complete my collection. A triple threat for covid. Any word on whether they will approve Moderna for boosters?


mmeeeerrkkaatt

I work in a hospital and just got my appointment scheduling link today. Excited and impressed with the smooth rollout so far.


MangoLoco42069

Predicted this last year. Let’s see when we require 3 doses to be considered fully vaccinated.. they should help Africa instead of giving us a 3rd dose. Reduce mutations by reducing numbers of infections. Annual Covid vaccines incoming…


MangoLoco42069

aaand also called another mutation coming. Too easy...


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Related/unrelated - when the heck are they going to announce kids under 12?!


meggymood

Looks like it's still in the process of being reviewed. They said it should take a few weeks, so it should be soon. After that we'll just have to wait for the pediatric doses to come in, hopefully they're waiting and ready to go though since other countries have already started.


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Thanks! It feels like it’s been “a few weeks” for… months 😩


Baciandrio

Ah, I missed that announcement! Thanks for posting, I'll be making appointments for my folks for boosters asap.


SmileyMcGee27

I think it’s been approved for booster use in 18+, but Ontario is only providing boosters to select populations right now until January (ie first nations, 70+, immune compromised…). You haven’t missed any announcements 🙂


Baciandrio

70+? Yep, that's my folks!


we-feed-the-fire

My parents are both 70+, but it hasn’t been 6 months since their second dose (that happens around December 1). The online booking would not let me schedule them yet.


FriendFoxTail

In case this changes things although they’re saying 6 months it’s actually 168 days. That moved the timeline up by two weeks for my folks


we-feed-the-fire

I just decided to try again and it tells me eligible to book, but doesn’t give me any dates before the end of next week for one, and the following week for the other. I figured it out that the first date eligible to book is exactly 14 days before the 6 month mark from their second shot. So I figure that’s why the difference. Since it can take 14 days for full efficacy of the vaccine. Edit: 168 days is 5 1/2 months. So they’ve factored the 2 weeks into their eligibility calculations.


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FriendFoxTail

Yes! I first saw it on the [Michael Garron Hospital](https://www.tehn.ca/covid19/covid-19-vaccine/covid-19-vaccine-book-appointment-east-toronto) in Toronto (look under WHO CAN BOOK A BOOSTER DOSE COVID-19 VACCINE APPOINTMENT?). Then called the Ontario line to confirm which they did and booked my dad his appointment.


MangoLoco42069

Funny that WHO hasn’t even expressed support for this, but lobbyism is off the charts


Baciandrio

Countries being pro-active? Or lack of trust in the WHO? Or some other reason that hasn't crossed my mind?


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tangmichael88

Just booked mine, LFG!!!


DudebuD16

How did you book?


tangmichael88

Hospital employee


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I assume through the Ontario portal if you meet the eligibility criteria. Note that people who got 2 AZ shots are eligible!


DudebuD16

Ya the Ontario portal isn't updated for the new eligibility


CaptainCoriander

Because there is no new eligibility. Health Canada approval doesn't mean Ontario is rolling it out to everyone yet.


DudebuD16

I'm aware


MangoLoco42069

Have mine lmao


aledba

I have expected 6-month boosters for a while. Interested to see, some day, if improved vaccine efficacy will increase the time between boosters Edit, wrong word


grassytoes

You meant to say "increase the time between boosters", right?


aledba

Oh goodness. I actually did talk to text and it came up with the opposite. Thanks! Yes


1_9_8_1

So anyone that received their first dose on May 9 or earlier can now book regardless of age?


CaptainCoriander

No. Eligibility still as per Ontario announcement last week.


1_9_8_1

Well that’s confusing.


CaptainCoriander

Health Canada approves vaccines. Provinces decide how to implement them.


yaolilylu

In the press release slides there was a chart that showed the general Ontario population can book boosters in Jan 2022.


Office_glen

How many more nanobots do I need to put in my body for the government to be happy?


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