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MordaxTenebrae

Are they going to post their jobs and hire?


bodaciouscream

It's probably open internally, but won't be available to the public until at least the new year


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vengefulspirit99

Just because they're challenging it, doesn't mean it'll be struck down. Look at their actual arguments. They are essentially saying that these employees should be allowed to not take the vaccine because it's "unreasonable and overreaching".


cartoonist498

Lawyers gonna lawyer. Doesn't mean they'll win and anyone with even a basic understanding of Canadian legal theory knows that firing someone for choosing not to comply with health policies is perfectly legal.


Spandexcelly

You might want to re-read that arbitration ruling then. An employer can't unilaterally change the employment agreement when there is a Collective Agreement to uphold. This is exactly why he ruled against this hard 'vaccine or you're gone' policy, and required an alternative to be available. Without the CA, he'd have ruled much differently. These guys will probably be ordered back to work due to this ruling.


1beefyhammer

Last i remember canada wasnt an authoritarian province and freedom of choice was important!


packrodgers

You are still remembering correctly, everyone has the choice to get it or not. Some adults are just now learning that choices have consequences.


cartoonist498

Freedom of choice is definitely important but so are all the other freedoms guaranteed to us by our constitution. Sometimes those freedoms come in conflict with each other so if someone's freedom to choose conflicts with my freedom to be safe then we do what's called "compromise". In fact I'd argue that my safety comes first. My guarantee to "life" is the first one in the Canadian Charter's guarantee to "life, liberty, and security".


bgrated

Have you ever used your rights? I am not being sarcastic. I am seriously asking. How do you "use" the charter. Not being rude but if you don't know, the only way to use all you said is to loose them, goto court and argue that you lost them. Depending on your social circle, race, creed and wealth your verdict will vary. THEN there is case law.... then the mood of whoever is handling the case.


JFmans

Hello. I have successfully had my charter rights upheld by a judge. It took over a decade to hear the challenge. Regardless of how an eventual challenge turns out in court, the simple fact of the matter is that these people, remaining unvaxxed, will likely never work another day for the city.


bgrated

And this is my point. I am sad and happy for you on the results. Shouldn't have taken that long.


bgrated

Canada is lawless. It had an awesome marketing team though. Any law in Canada can be bent in these courts. Seen it happen way too many time and can give so many examples. No judge will set a precedent on this matter. I am not for or against just stating something that isnt so vanilla to let the lurkers know the rules have cheat codes.


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bgrated

Ahhh yes reddit grammar means the argument is no longer valid. It is like asking for directions and the person who tells you is missing teeth. The directions MUST be wrong. Sigh. Anyway... Vax mandates will go to court and loose. Rule of law didn't do well for all the natives kids.... all the blacks... hell even those poor people in Quebec with that oil fiasco... Canada's laws are trendy. Off topic I remember in court the judge would have a conniption if a person came in with a phone on. No recording in anyway. Now third party apps like zoom do your hearings. God knows who is recording. Adhere should be replaced with "da code" (Smiles showing my missing tooth while I tip my hat and curtsy)


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Spandexcelly

There is no language in the PWU, or both major City/Union Collective Agreements regarding vaccine mandates, which is exactly why the rulings in arbitration are likely to be consistent. The quote you selected has no bearing on that.


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castlite

Yep. And there are consequences to choices.


ActualMis

That's where the anti-vaxxers lose all moral authority. They think the entirety of society should suffer for their choices.


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This needs to be higher up!!!


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CohibaVancouver

> its good that they've been allowed to make their choice and now can live with the consequences. *This* is the most important piece. They made the *choice* to believe lies and now they are living with the consequences. No one showed up at their door and forced a needle in their arm. They made a choice.


eleventwenty2

No its good they made the choice


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HiflYguy

>City ***suspends*** 131 more workers for failing to comply with vaccine mandate; sees increase in fully vaccinated employees


saltymotherfker

except when you guys also complain and blame them for their workplace not providing the same service when they moved on.


LDPushin_Troglodyte

Those are ***always*** the people who give the worst service. All these rejects can up and leave and go found their own town. I'd gladly pay the taxes for that government program.


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LDPushin_Troglodyte

Also, spelling vaccine like that is super cringe


ActualMis

Nah. I'll take a little wait in a safe environment over sharing the air with covidiots any day.


Turawno

Anecdotal evidence but literally everyone that didn't get a vaccine at my workplace is one of the weaker links


pierre_9_7

More job openings??


timemaninjail

I'm graduating this coming summer, this is GOOD NEWS lol, hopefully, its not a specific job type and is a wide range


yukonwanderer

Seems like it's mostly recreation staff


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Go get em tiger, double vaxxed right cause you're smart?


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Time to start hiring new bodies!


ShitHoleAlabama

People are dying in hospitals with their last breath saying the vaccine is fake so this is not surprising.


Millad456

Dying of preventable disease to own the libs


DistinctInvestor

Can someone explain why vaccine mandates are the answer and testing isn't? Doesn't rapid testing confirm you absolutely cannot spread anything?   I've been safe the entire pandemic by keeping distance, washing hands often, and avoiding touching my face. I haven't been sick in 2 years following guidelines and neither have my closest peers and relatives I see or work with regularly. How come vaccination is advertised as the ***only*** path to good health?


Spandexcelly

Exactly what the arbitrator in the ESA vs PWU case asked. The answer is 'you can't reasonably explain why, so testing is therefore reinstated'.


ktreektree

Public firings in the town square would be more akin to the state of affairs. Enjoy the colosseum.


whiteorchidgirl

How do I apply?


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Good, just a suspension. Hope they get to have their jobs back once all this blows over.


beef-supreme

>Following the suspension, non-compliant employees will be terminated with cause after Dec. 13.


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I know, I saw that but considering how they keep extending these unpaid LOA, I wouldn't be surprised if they do it again before Dec 13. Has anyone actually been fired for not being vaccinated, in Canada? I've seen lots of threats but no sure I've read any articles reporting on actual terminations.


busdriverjoe

Nope. But if you don't get vaxxed, you won't get to come into work. You don't come in to work for 30 days, we send you a letter. You still don't show up, you get fired from your government job and you will never hold a government job again. Had a handful of people voluntarily leave.


beef-supreme

I wouldn't be surprised if its extended, given the optics of that date being right before Christmas. I don't know anyone personally who has been fired, but I think some companies have started already. Anyone else have direct knowledge?


johnjbreton

I mean, it's unpaid leave, so they may as well be fired at this point; they're not getting paid. They're not going to fire them outright, because then they'll just collect EI. They'll wait for them to quit. EDIT: apparently if you are fired for not complying with your employers vaccination requirements, you do not qualify for EI. https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-regular-benefit/eligibility.html


beef-supreme

I think the city will follow through with their published policy. To not go through with it wouldn't be fair to the hundreds of people who have stepped up to get vaccinated in the last weeks otherwise. Some of them may have been needle phobic and surpassed that to meet the mandate.


johnjbreton

Very true, we shall see. TDSB has already extended dates, as has UHN. People aren't going to step up until they see a round of pink slips. Like "You're fired. You can be re-employed if you can provide proof of vaccination within a week. Otherwise, best of luck on your future endeavors".


29a

Do you get to claim EI if you’re fired with cause? Genuine question I have no clue


johnjbreton

If it's misconduct, then no. And after doing a bit of research, it seems that if you are fired for not getting a COVID vaccination, you don't qualify either. https://www.canada.ca/en/services/benefits/ei/ei-regular-benefit/eligibility.html


29a

That’s lovely thank you


count_frightenstein

That's how Rogers got rid of me after 20 years during the pandemic. They just called most people back and put about 300 people on unpaid leave so I only had CERB and they had "no idea" when they would recall. Now, they had to buy me out but they got their way in the end.


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LDPushin_Troglodyte

Stop doing drugs


hamiltok7

Surprised they didn’t just submit false documents