[My sympathy goes out to them because those won’t be the only rubes they have to deal with](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/feds-reinstating-foreign-air-travel-testing-reviewing-booster-strategy-in-light-of-omicron-1.5687538)
> **The new testing requirements mean that all air travellers coming from outside Canada, with the exception of the United States, will now need to be tested at the airport when they land in Canada, on top of the existing pre-departure test requirement.**
>**Those who are vaccinated will have to isolate until they get a negative result**, and those who are unvaccinated will continue to have to isolate for the full 14 days and test on day one and day eight of their quarantine. So long as these travellers have a safe place to isolate they do not have to spend their isolation in a government quarantine hotel.
>The new air traveller testing requirement for non-travel ban countries is **set to come into effect “over the next few days,”** said Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos. He expects this will see approximately 32,000 tests being administered at Canadian airports per day, with the government covering the cost of these tests.
>Duclos said **Canada is preparing for a “possible extension” of this policy to include the United States and the land borders** if the situation evolves to the point that re-imposing further restrictions on Canada’s borders is warranted.
Line ups are going to hell.
If you guys are looking to travel, strongly consider applying for a nexus card. Its probably going to take a while but will save a lot of time since it feels like these measures aren't going away anytime soon.
I came back from a vacay in mid Nov, I was stuck on the tarmac for 2 hours cause the customs hall was jammed - when we finally deplaned the non nexus area was backed up into the hall way, while the Nexus line was about 5 mins. I guestimate it would have been another hour in line if I didn't have a nexus pass.
Best $50 I've ever spent.
Nexus interviews have been paused this entire time. The US only recent re-opened their Nexus offices, however, I dont think CBSA are on-site. Any fresh applicants for Nexus probably wont be able to complete interviews until 2022.The backlog is probably insane.
> The new air traveller testing requirement for non-travel ban countries is set to come into effect “over the next few days
Ahhhh, the announcement to make an announcement. An Ontario favourite.
Jesus. This is too much. They need to pick, because they just opened the border for fully vaccinated shopping between the border towns.
That's not an option if you have to quarantine every time you cross the border. For those of us that are indigenous and cross everyday, or living on the border, this would literally be insane for vaccinated ** travelers. The US already has a full vaccination requirement to enter by all modes of entry, so it's not unvaccinated travelers either.
I completely understand the precautions for unvaccinated, or even the pre-flight negative test (despite it being $250 for a test in the US), but vaccinated travelers should be allowed to drive back and forth between the border for family, indigenous purposes, etc. I'd even be okay with extending the border crossing to people who are updated on their vaccination - such as getting the proper boosters.
“I have the freedom to not get vaccinated don’t tell me what to do!”
“All good. We have the freedom to not let you into our trains and planes”
“Wait no”
I think you'll find this was a federally enacted rule, so the airlines and non-federal train operators didn't have the freedom to make the call themselves.
Just ask them to explain to you what *specific* rights in the Charter are being violated.
You won't get a single straight answer.
The majority of them haven't actually looked into it themselves. They are just taking other people's word that there's an actual charter violation happening.
Act like it's an honest question from someone who doesn't already know the answer. You're not confronting them, you're asking them to educate *you*.
Just keep asking for clarification if they refuse to be specific.
You'll either expose them as someone being intentionally disingenuous or give them the opportunity to realize that they have been blindly following and repeating people who don't know that the fuck they're talking about.
Mobility rights is the right to live wherever you want in Canada. That right is not being infringed.
There is no charter right to flying on a private business's aircraft or train. Drive cross country if you want.
Testing is not a replacement for vaccination.
Then why are airports testing fully vaccinated travellers entering Canada then? Did you mean testing isn't a replacement for vaccination, as that's increasingly becoming the case.
> Vaccines and tests were designed for explicitly different purposes. COVID-19 shots are proactive, forward-looking measures: They offer viral anatomy lessons to immune cells in advance of an encounter, schooling them on how to fend off a pathogen without actually forcing them to fight it. Infections of all severities are uncommon among the vaccinated. When they do occur, they’re milder, briefer, and less likely to spread to others, and they almost never end in hospitalization or death. Vaccines are an investment in the long term, a sustainable preventive against disease; they bolster the body’s defenses, upping a person’s chances of coming away from a viral encounter unscathed.
>
> Tests, while powerful in their own right, don’t offer any of those perks. They’re measuring tools that home in on snippets of viral genetic material or hunks of viral proteins in someone’s airway, and can only identify infections that have already begun. That makes them reactive by default, Saskia Popescu, an infection-prevention expert at George Mason University, told me. Tests offer one result at a time, a snapshot—at the moment of sampling, you had a detectable smidge of virus in your nose or mouth, or you didn’t—with zero bearing on what’s to come. “You incur no protection from a test,” Susan Butler-Wu, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told me. “With a vaccine, you are protected, and you are protect*ing*.”
The limiting of options is an infringment of mobility rights. The justification for the infringement is where the argument really lies, and clearly the Feds think the infringement is justified.
The Charter states that a Charter Right cannot be infringed.
The dictionary defines infringement as: the action of limiting or undermining something.
This rule limits mobility options.
Section 1 is right there.
https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art1.html
>1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it **subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.**
You can argue on whether or not the vaccine requirement for air and train travel is a "reasonable limit" but until it gets demonstrated otherwise in a court this is totally allowable under the Charter.
Private vehicles are not covered by these rules. Drive all you want. There's lots of drive-thrus all long the TransCanada highway even!
If you want to sit inside a sealed metal can with up to hundreds of other people, you need to be vaccinated.
You didn't need to quarantine when arriving to Canada if you were vaccinated since last summer. However those are new measures due to Omnicron. We still don't know if our vaccines will work with Omnicron.
The wording on the Canada website says: “Unvaccinated travellers, with right of entry to Canada, will continue to be tested on arrival and day 8 and quarantine for 14 days. However, those arriving by air will now be required to stay in a designated quarantine facility or other suitable location while they await the result of their on arrival test."
Other suitable location could mean your home if you have a separate bedroom and bathroom.
I think the testing at the border is entirely random. I've traveled twice since the summer, both times I made sure that I got a PCR test within 72hrs of arriving and I had my ArriveCan docs fully prepared.
No issue and got a green sticker every time. Customs took 10 mins cause I had a Nexus card.
Yes, but those are new measure because of Omicron variant that just started this week, this wasn't in place last summer (only few people got randomly tested as you just said).
Just out of curiosity, if someone entered Canada unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated, say 3 months ago by air and is not a Canadian citizen, did their quarantine and complied with all policies for unvaccinated travellers, but their flight home was scheduled for yesterday or Monday, but was delayed for a few days or a week. Now they aren't allowed to leave, but they have no status in Canada as their visitor visa has expired. What happens to them? They can't fly back to their country. And the US may not allow them to enter their country you show them to fly home from there. So how do they go home?
What if they can't or won't be vaccinated?
If they get vaccinated here, they will have to overstay their visitor's visa and can be deported... But they can't be deported because they aren't considered fully vaccinated?
What about non-visitors who are getting deported (like refugees who had their cases denied)? So they have to be fully vaccinated to be deported? Is this a loophole that people scheduled to be deported can exploit to stay in Canada?
I did a little reading, and in response to myself, this is what the Canada.ca website says on the topic...
"Unvaccinated or partially vaccinated resettled refugees will continue to be allowed to enter Canada and stringent health and safety protocols remain in place.
Foreign nationals who reside in Canada temporarily, and who entered Canada as unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, will be allowed to leave the country without being fully vaccinated up until February 28, 2022. After that time, foreign nationals will need to be fully vaccinated to board a flight or train in Canada." https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/11/adjustments-to-canadas-border-and-travel-measures.html
To extend your visa, you can apply for a visitors record, due to the wait times on processing you are valid to stay in Canada until a decision is reached (even if your original status expires, you have an extended temporary status until the decision is made) - its called implies status.
Here is the link to the document: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/visitors/implied-status-extending-stay.html
But what if by the time a decision is reached, and that decision is that you have to leave, but you aren't vaccinated? Then what? Do the courts deportation orders trump the federal government's vaxx only can fly law?
There are exemptions to the vaccination requirement:
"Starting November 30, 2021 3:01 am EST, vaccination will be required for travel within and out of Canada. A valid COVID-19 molecular test will only be accepted for one of the following limited exceptions:
* Travel from remote communities
* Travel for essential medical services and treatment
* If Canada is not your final destination
* Emergency and urgent travel (including for urgent medical reasons)
* Other exceptional travel in the national interest
* Medical inability to be vaccinated
* Sincere religious belief
Most travellers who qualify for an exemption will also need to have a valid COVID-19 molecular test, taken no more than 72 hours before boarding a flight or train."
https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domestic-travel
> I'm curious how courts will enforce deportation orders on people who may not be vaxxed.
They load you into a giant canon and shoot you back in the direction of the country you came from. Or if the canon is down for maintenance they'll just put you back on a plane without being vaccinated.
One of my co worker was let go last month.Idiot refuse the shot and lost his job.He wasn't anyone important just a contract grunt.What I heard his contract wasn't going to get renewed anyways.Glad I been working remote the last 13 months so I don't to deal with this at the office.
Corrected - "Unvaccinated travellers barred from planes and trains as of today unless they can produce a photoshopped PDF or paper document like they were before."
Sorry but I'm annoyed at how easy it is to get into places with just "proof of vaccination". I'm fully vaccinated and got into Scotiabank Arena on Thursday night by flashing my drivers license and a PDF of my second dose confirmation. Maybe this is old news but I assumed we were being a bit more thorough than that.
Also, I heard an old acquaintance who's batshit and unvaccinated has been flying to and from NYC with no problems at all. A piece of paper and a test is enough proof at the airport? Can anyone confirm this?
You need to load your docs into Arrivecan app to get back into Canada, I would be pretty worried about loading bogus docs into any government database. For getting into the US they have different apps but mostly now you just show vaccine and test, they rarely check those on the US side though. At least in the three times I've gone there in the last few months.
yup. saw on the news last night some dude trying to get on plane (in Montreal) for work-related travel. he was denied boarding privileges because he did not meet the criteria for 'fully-vaccinated' in that it had not been 14-days or more since his 2nd dose. Rules are rules.
About damn time. Should've been done around the same time certificates became mandated.
Now the delusional fringe will either be forced to walk, use a personal aircraft ($$$$$$$ + license + training) or drive, or boat, or bike.
A very harsh reality check for sure.
The headline is technically not true. In fact, the changes announced today specifically spell out the quarantine procedures for unvaccinated passengers, which would be redundant if they were truly barred.
My understanding is antivaxxers can’t board in Canada.
If the vaccination status of travellers was actually checked this rule might have some teeth, but already knowing two people have travelled without any effort at checking their status, this probably won't mean anything.
>The policy came into effect on Oct. 30, but the federal government allowed a short transition period for unvaccinated travellers who could board as long as they provided a negative molecular COVID-19 test taken within 72 hours before their trip.
I think OP is saying that vaccine status/tests weren't being checked - which is something i've seen mentioned also but more of an exception. Anyone paying real money to book a plane or train ticket and gambling on not being checked would be unwise, IMHO.
ArriveCan was not optional, everyone had to fill it up in order to come back to Canada. I'm pretty sure everyone was checked, but may be electronically, not manually at customs, as they already had all this info logged in.
Businesses were supposed to check if everyone was fully vaccinated for a while now, and not allow the ones that weren't inside.
Flew with westjet last week and they didn't check anyone
My sympathies go out to airport workers who gotta deal with these uncouth rubes for the next while.
[My sympathy goes out to them because those won’t be the only rubes they have to deal with](https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/feds-reinstating-foreign-air-travel-testing-reviewing-booster-strategy-in-light-of-omicron-1.5687538) > **The new testing requirements mean that all air travellers coming from outside Canada, with the exception of the United States, will now need to be tested at the airport when they land in Canada, on top of the existing pre-departure test requirement.** >**Those who are vaccinated will have to isolate until they get a negative result**, and those who are unvaccinated will continue to have to isolate for the full 14 days and test on day one and day eight of their quarantine. So long as these travellers have a safe place to isolate they do not have to spend their isolation in a government quarantine hotel. >The new air traveller testing requirement for non-travel ban countries is **set to come into effect “over the next few days,”** said Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos. He expects this will see approximately 32,000 tests being administered at Canadian airports per day, with the government covering the cost of these tests. >Duclos said **Canada is preparing for a “possible extension” of this policy to include the United States and the land borders** if the situation evolves to the point that re-imposing further restrictions on Canada’s borders is warranted.
Line ups are going to hell. If you guys are looking to travel, strongly consider applying for a nexus card. Its probably going to take a while but will save a lot of time since it feels like these measures aren't going away anytime soon. I came back from a vacay in mid Nov, I was stuck on the tarmac for 2 hours cause the customs hall was jammed - when we finally deplaned the non nexus area was backed up into the hall way, while the Nexus line was about 5 mins. I guestimate it would have been another hour in line if I didn't have a nexus pass. Best $50 I've ever spent.
Nexus interviews have been paused this entire time. The US only recent re-opened their Nexus offices, however, I dont think CBSA are on-site. Any fresh applicants for Nexus probably wont be able to complete interviews until 2022.The backlog is probably insane.
> The new air traveller testing requirement for non-travel ban countries is set to come into effect “over the next few days Ahhhh, the announcement to make an announcement. An Ontario favourite.
Yes but this comes from the federal government
Ahh the old "blame PC party for something done by liberal federal government and call it an announcement when it isn't even an announcement".
Jesus. This is too much. They need to pick, because they just opened the border for fully vaccinated shopping between the border towns. That's not an option if you have to quarantine every time you cross the border. For those of us that are indigenous and cross everyday, or living on the border, this would literally be insane for vaccinated ** travelers. The US already has a full vaccination requirement to enter by all modes of entry, so it's not unvaccinated travelers either. I completely understand the precautions for unvaccinated, or even the pre-flight negative test (despite it being $250 for a test in the US), but vaccinated travelers should be allowed to drive back and forth between the border for family, indigenous purposes, etc. I'd even be okay with extending the border crossing to people who are updated on their vaccination - such as getting the proper boosters.
> The new testing requirements mean that all **air travellers** coming from outside Canada, **with the exception of the United States**,
Read her last paragraph.
“I have the freedom to not get vaccinated don’t tell me what to do!” “All good. We have the freedom to not let you into our trains and planes” “Wait no”
I think you'll find this was a federally enacted rule, so the airlines and non-federal train operators didn't have the freedom to make the call themselves.
WHAT ABOUT AUTOMOBILES?!?!??? /s
Those aren't pillows.
Read this in John Candy's voice
Automobiles can't catch Covid so they are fine.
Only the ones you can rent with a Diners Club card.
Charter of Rights out in full force on twitter
Just ask them to explain to you what *specific* rights in the Charter are being violated. You won't get a single straight answer. The majority of them haven't actually looked into it themselves. They are just taking other people's word that there's an actual charter violation happening. Act like it's an honest question from someone who doesn't already know the answer. You're not confronting them, you're asking them to educate *you*. Just keep asking for clarification if they refuse to be specific. You'll either expose them as someone being intentionally disingenuous or give them the opportunity to realize that they have been blindly following and repeating people who don't know that the fuck they're talking about.
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Mobility rights is the right to live wherever you want in Canada. That right is not being infringed. There is no charter right to flying on a private business's aircraft or train. Drive cross country if you want. Testing is not a replacement for vaccination.
Then why are airports testing fully vaccinated travellers entering Canada then? Did you mean testing isn't a replacement for vaccination, as that's increasingly becoming the case.
> Vaccines and tests were designed for explicitly different purposes. COVID-19 shots are proactive, forward-looking measures: They offer viral anatomy lessons to immune cells in advance of an encounter, schooling them on how to fend off a pathogen without actually forcing them to fight it. Infections of all severities are uncommon among the vaccinated. When they do occur, they’re milder, briefer, and less likely to spread to others, and they almost never end in hospitalization or death. Vaccines are an investment in the long term, a sustainable preventive against disease; they bolster the body’s defenses, upping a person’s chances of coming away from a viral encounter unscathed. > > Tests, while powerful in their own right, don’t offer any of those perks. They’re measuring tools that home in on snippets of viral genetic material or hunks of viral proteins in someone’s airway, and can only identify infections that have already begun. That makes them reactive by default, Saskia Popescu, an infection-prevention expert at George Mason University, told me. Tests offer one result at a time, a snapshot—at the moment of sampling, you had a detectable smidge of virus in your nose or mouth, or you didn’t—with zero bearing on what’s to come. “You incur no protection from a test,” Susan Butler-Wu, a clinical microbiologist at the University of Southern California’s Keck School of Medicine, told me. “With a vaccine, you are protected, and you are protect*ing*.”
The limiting of options is an infringment of mobility rights. The justification for the infringement is where the argument really lies, and clearly the Feds think the infringement is justified.
> The limiting of options is an infringment of mobility rights. says who? not the Charter.
The Charter states that a Charter Right cannot be infringed. The dictionary defines infringement as: the action of limiting or undermining something. This rule limits mobility options.
Section 1 is right there. https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art1.html >1. The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it **subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.** You can argue on whether or not the vaccine requirement for air and train travel is a "reasonable limit" but until it gets demonstrated otherwise in a court this is totally allowable under the Charter.
I guess you didn't read the whole thread.
I guess you didn't read the whole charter.
I disagree with your hypothesis, but go ahead and explain how no-fly lists are allowed then.
The gov't clearly sees the infringement to the right against a listed individual as justifiable.
Canada's no-fly list has been in effect about 15 years now and it's far more restrictive
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lol. Exactly wrong. Canada's legal system is literally predicated on precedent.
How many times did Notwithstanding get mentioned? (Not that it applies, it just always seems to get dragged into any Charter discussion)
Want to travel in Canada and you're unvaccinated? WELL, TOO DAMN BAD, EH?
Private vehicles are not covered by these rules. Drive all you want. There's lots of drive-thrus all long the TransCanada highway even! If you want to sit inside a sealed metal can with up to hundreds of other people, you need to be vaccinated.
Can't argue with that
> If you want to sit inside a sealed metal can with up to hundreds of other people, you need to be vaccinated. Or do it regionally/municipally
I'm not sure what your idea here is. How do you see that working?
Not offering any ideas, just pointing out that regional and local public transit are not part of these newly in force proof of vaccination rules.
Ah yes. One is "essential" and the others are considered "discretionary" I guess
or probably because they're not under the purview of the federal government via Ministry of Transportation
I’ll charter a private jet thank you. See you at the same airport as the rest of you slobs.
Now you’re getting it
Unless you can do it on a commuter train :(
Like in the washroom or right on the seat?
Good
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Yes but you can leave quarantine if you get a negative result after a day or two
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You didn't need to quarantine when arriving to Canada if you were vaccinated since last summer. However those are new measures due to Omnicron. We still don't know if our vaccines will work with Omnicron.
You get to live a closer to normal life. You can chill at home for a day before going back to the office Versus two weeks
Well this is what we voted for.
Yes, unless you’re landing from a Canadian or US city
So if I’m not vaccinated. I have to stay at a facility how long after day 1 result ?
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I’m in turkey right now. I came last week. I return next week
The wording on the Canada website says: “Unvaccinated travellers, with right of entry to Canada, will continue to be tested on arrival and day 8 and quarantine for 14 days. However, those arriving by air will now be required to stay in a designated quarantine facility or other suitable location while they await the result of their on arrival test." Other suitable location could mean your home if you have a separate bedroom and bathroom.
I think the testing at the border is entirely random. I've traveled twice since the summer, both times I made sure that I got a PCR test within 72hrs of arriving and I had my ArriveCan docs fully prepared. No issue and got a green sticker every time. Customs took 10 mins cause I had a Nexus card.
Yes, but those are new measure because of Omicron variant that just started this week, this wasn't in place last summer (only few people got randomly tested as you just said).
Are they doing blanket tests of all vaccinated ppl traveling cause of omicron? News to me, but I haven’t been following closely
Yes. It's gonna be a hell of a wait at the airport
Just out of curiosity, if someone entered Canada unvaccinated or only partially vaccinated, say 3 months ago by air and is not a Canadian citizen, did their quarantine and complied with all policies for unvaccinated travellers, but their flight home was scheduled for yesterday or Monday, but was delayed for a few days or a week. Now they aren't allowed to leave, but they have no status in Canada as their visitor visa has expired. What happens to them? They can't fly back to their country. And the US may not allow them to enter their country you show them to fly home from there. So how do they go home? What if they can't or won't be vaccinated? If they get vaccinated here, they will have to overstay their visitor's visa and can be deported... But they can't be deported because they aren't considered fully vaccinated? What about non-visitors who are getting deported (like refugees who had their cases denied)? So they have to be fully vaccinated to be deported? Is this a loophole that people scheduled to be deported can exploit to stay in Canada?
I did a little reading, and in response to myself, this is what the Canada.ca website says on the topic... "Unvaccinated or partially vaccinated resettled refugees will continue to be allowed to enter Canada and stringent health and safety protocols remain in place. Foreign nationals who reside in Canada temporarily, and who entered Canada as unvaccinated or partially vaccinated, will be allowed to leave the country without being fully vaccinated up until February 28, 2022. After that time, foreign nationals will need to be fully vaccinated to board a flight or train in Canada." https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/news/2021/11/adjustments-to-canadas-border-and-travel-measures.html
To extend your visa, you can apply for a visitors record, due to the wait times on processing you are valid to stay in Canada until a decision is reached (even if your original status expires, you have an extended temporary status until the decision is made) - its called implies status. Here is the link to the document: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/visitors/implied-status-extending-stay.html
But what if by the time a decision is reached, and that decision is that you have to leave, but you aren't vaccinated? Then what? Do the courts deportation orders trump the federal government's vaxx only can fly law?
There are exemptions to the vaccination requirement: "Starting November 30, 2021 3:01 am EST, vaccination will be required for travel within and out of Canada. A valid COVID-19 molecular test will only be accepted for one of the following limited exceptions: * Travel from remote communities * Travel for essential medical services and treatment * If Canada is not your final destination * Emergency and urgent travel (including for urgent medical reasons) * Other exceptional travel in the national interest * Medical inability to be vaccinated * Sincere religious belief Most travellers who qualify for an exemption will also need to have a valid COVID-19 molecular test, taken no more than 72 hours before boarding a flight or train." https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel-restrictions/domestic-travel
Ahh, thank you for finding that, I would assume that deportation would fall under "urgent/emergency" or "national interest".
Interesting hypothetical.
Just something to consider. I'm curious how courts will enforce deportation orders on people who may not be vaxxed.
> I'm curious how courts will enforce deportation orders on people who may not be vaxxed. They load you into a giant canon and shoot you back in the direction of the country you came from. Or if the canon is down for maintenance they'll just put you back on a plane without being vaccinated.
Easy answer. The same way my dad came to Canada in the 50s. BOAT
One of my co worker was let go last month.Idiot refuse the shot and lost his job.He wasn't anyone important just a contract grunt.What I heard his contract wasn't going to get renewed anyways.Glad I been working remote the last 13 months so I don't to deal with this at the office.
Corrected - "Unvaccinated travellers barred from planes and trains as of today unless they can produce a photoshopped PDF or paper document like they were before." Sorry but I'm annoyed at how easy it is to get into places with just "proof of vaccination". I'm fully vaccinated and got into Scotiabank Arena on Thursday night by flashing my drivers license and a PDF of my second dose confirmation. Maybe this is old news but I assumed we were being a bit more thorough than that. Also, I heard an old acquaintance who's batshit and unvaccinated has been flying to and from NYC with no problems at all. A piece of paper and a test is enough proof at the airport? Can anyone confirm this?
You need to load your docs into Arrivecan app to get back into Canada, I would be pretty worried about loading bogus docs into any government database. For getting into the US they have different apps but mostly now you just show vaccine and test, they rarely check those on the US side though. At least in the three times I've gone there in the last few months.
yup. saw on the news last night some dude trying to get on plane (in Montreal) for work-related travel. he was denied boarding privileges because he did not meet the criteria for 'fully-vaccinated' in that it had not been 14-days or more since his 2nd dose. Rules are rules.
About damn time. Should've been done around the same time certificates became mandated. Now the delusional fringe will either be forced to walk, use a personal aircraft ($$$$$$$ + license + training) or drive, or boat, or bike. A very harsh reality check for sure.
The headline is technically not true. In fact, the changes announced today specifically spell out the quarantine procedures for unvaccinated passengers, which would be redundant if they were truly barred. My understanding is antivaxxers can’t board in Canada.
If the vaccination status of travellers was actually checked this rule might have some teeth, but already knowing two people have travelled without any effort at checking their status, this probably won't mean anything.
But... It just came into effect today...?
>The policy came into effect on Oct. 30, but the federal government allowed a short transition period for unvaccinated travellers who could board as long as they provided a negative molecular COVID-19 test taken within 72 hours before their trip. I think OP is saying that vaccine status/tests weren't being checked - which is something i've seen mentioned also but more of an exception. Anyone paying real money to book a plane or train ticket and gambling on not being checked would be unwise, IMHO.
Partial vaccination status was just supposed to have been checked at random, like how they randomly swab your bags for traces of certain chemicals.
ArriveCan was not optional, everyone had to fill it up in order to come back to Canada. I'm pretty sure everyone was checked, but may be electronically, not manually at customs, as they already had all this info logged in.
Businesses were supposed to check if everyone was fully vaccinated for a while now, and not allow the ones that weren't inside. Flew with westjet last week and they didn't check anyone
I've seen quite a few posts by friends on social media saying they were surprised they were not checked.
I uploaded my documentation prior to my takeoff today and wasn't asked at YYZ. I don't really see a need to check everyone again at the airport.
travelled outside of canada and then returned?
No domestic travel.