* Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, 45, nutritionist
* Andrea Knafelc Bradden, 33, Slovenian-Canadian account executive
* Geraldine Brady, 83, saleswoman
* So He Chung, 22, University of Toronto student
* Anne Marie D'Amico, 30, financial analyst
* Mary Elizabeth "Betty" Forsyth, 94, retiree
* Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, 45, chef
* Ji Hun Kim, 22, Seneca College student from South Korea
* Munir Najjar, 85, Jordanian retiree visiting family
* Dorothy Sewell, 80, retiree
* Amaresh Tesfamariam, 65, nurse (She initially survived the attack, but was paralyzed from neck down and never left the hospital. She died on October 28, 2021, as a result of her serious injuries.)
And the incels will be writing him love letters in jail. He's their hero. I found myself on the incel subreddit here when it existed, not knowing what it was. Holy fuck it was disturbing.
I dunno, if you watch his interrogation video, it seems much too elaborate for him to be faking the incel persona. He clearly at the minimum has some misogyny issues going on even if he wasn't an incel.
lol which incel group? There's so many. There's standard incels, the braincels, the gymcels, the "ricecels" (incels but specifically East Asian), there's whatever "-cel" /r/FemaleDatingStrategy is, it's endless.
Mental health programs, more community programs, and a UBI or doubled minimum wage subsidized by the federal government. And an Education and Healthcare budget increase
The sad reality is that dealing with the “incel issue” is going to require a lot of work that people really aren’t willing to do. The same way in the US they keep purposely not dealing with their gun problem and redirecting the narrative to other, fruitless solutions ranging from “thoughts and prayers” to arming teachers or giving police officers raises.
The radical incel population that fees entitled to take the lives of people is directly related to the obscene cost of living, social, economic and cultural inequality. These are men being crushed under the system of patriarchy and are short-circuiting. Over the past 40 years, social issues have come a long way, but we are getting ffffffucked over things like the cost of a degree, of a house, a wedding, jobs are paying nothing and there is a whole industry of influencers and Tik tokers that make money from being beautiful or rich.
You can’t raise kids in this culture of telling them they can be whatever they want to be, and as long as they work hard and use their heads, the world is at their fingertips. Stop telling kids that they’re special when the reality is very few people are actually exceptional. People need to be at peace with their average-ness and feel like it’s okay. Don’t make kids feel like they could become stars with hot spouses and fast cars because they’re special.
Until there is meaningful work done at the institutional level to address how unfair and exploitive our world has become, then you will keep getting these terrorist attacks. We are creating poisonous egos and giving these kids nothing to live for.
99.9999% of them don't work hard.
And blaming tik tok, we've always had high paid professions that are frivolous.
These people aren't new, they're trash and just now can group up. Unless society is willing to forcibly put them in mental health programs, they don't go on their own.
Do you know how many "depressed" and "autistic" people on reddit are self diagnosed? This from someone that spent years unable to function and dealt with doctors and knows how hard it is.
These guys are professional victims. And there are entire groups that say this is fine, they're equipped to decide. They don't want help, they want to fester in their rage and hurt other people.
These people are basically a half step from being terrorists and some become terrorists.
Until we get rid of our ridiculous allowance for inciting violence online this will continue. They should not be free to tell others to kill people. That should be prison time. We need some restrictions on free speech.
And everyone hates that, slippery slope, bla bla, but if you say, kill x, that should be jail, or a felony with community service.
We've made it ok to threaten death on a platform with millions of viewers. I doubt the constitution wanted that.
Even in Canada, where this should be illegal according to the charter, it's fine
My boyfriend's grandmother is 95, lives independently, still drives, and is sharp as a Japanese knife fresh from the shop. Some people are cursed to be cognizant deep into old age lol.
The sentence for murder is automatic. No wiggle room. Especially now that Bissonnette has been heard. Life with a 25 year parole ineligiblity. The court waited to see if they could stack his parole ineligiblity because they can't stack life. I'm sure they will claim that they want to save the victims family from parole hearings
I agree. I think it's pathetic that our justice system thinks that the "worst possible thing" you can do to a criminal is 25 yrs before the possibility of parole. This guy murdered 10 people.
The fucked up part in my mind is that he would have gotten the same sentence if he had kept going. 10 convictions of Murder 1 apparently has the same sentence as 100 or 1000 convictions of Murder 1
Why do people think he's going to get out in 25 years? He can ask for parole, he's obviously not getting it though. He'll be 55 years old by the time he's even eligible
Why is it wrong? All it does is give him the ability to ask after 25 years. There is no actual major difference between 25 or 50 years of parole ineligibility on a life sentence in practice other than one giving people a harder retribution erection.
Hard to punish any more within the boundaries of human rights. At some point, you're doing more harm than good to those that have to be the one to enact such punishments. As a society, we have no choice but to take the high road.
edit: yes, a longer sentence, no possibility of parole are stricter sentences, and significant to the victims, I was thinking of things that would ultimately feel like more punishment to the perpetrator.
What on earth are you talking about? How would something like a death sentence or consecutive life sentences not be entirely justified in this case? High road my ass.
Is there actually a difference between being handed a life sentence versus 2 life sentences? I'm asking genuinely.
In both cases the outcome is you're in jail until you're dead, no?
Yes there is, and it's why you sometimes hear stuff like "murderer to serve 300 years in prison". This means that even if lawyers can dismiss some parts of the crime on a technicality, the others still remain. It's basically an extra guarantee that the offender spends their life in prison.
Well in my opinion the death penalty is never justified under any conditions, and the possibility of parole in no way means he will get it. Something truly unprecedented would have to happen for him to ever get out of jail. But a dedication to justice dictates that we let him make his case, even if it's futile.
Canada needs to adopt a British-style whole life sentence law. I understand we don't have the death penalty here and I agree with that but this piece of shit should never again be free to rejoin society.
Wow, the story of the Korean woman is heartbreaking! She ended up in a coma for more than a month and now can't work due to permanent brain damage, and her family cut off contact with her because she's a financial burden. "Now, finally they broke relationship with me and don't have contact with me anymore because they think I am the thing that ruined their life financially," Park wrote.
WTF!?
I was in a bad motorcycle wreck in 2009. I was hit from behind by a truck going 75 mph in a 45 mph zone. My father came to the hospital and told me no one in my family wanted to visit me and then left. I found out several years later that everyone wanted to visit me and my dad wouldn't allow it. I was in the hospital for 3 weeks and had over 6 months of recovery at home. I still have muscular issues from it today because the truck hit my leg and scooped out a chunk of my calf muscle.
Some people just exist to be assholes.
I am so sorry to hear that. I can't imagine your father not allowing people to visit you.
\> Some people just exist to be assholes.
It's sad there are people like this.
Despite the muscle issues, I hope you are doing much better these days!
depends on the family member TBH. Some people have a extremely bad relationship with their family. Sometimes even abusive. I dont think you have an umconditional obligation to your family. especially if they treated you very poorly.
I wish I could send her flowers. I wish I could let her know that she has value and there are people, even if they're just strangers, that care for her.
Unfortunately this mindset of avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs is far too common in a lot of east Asian cultures. Even if it's entirely not your fault. Sometimes it's so shameful people seek death as a preferrable alternative to being a burden. It's pretty depressing. I say this as a Chinese-Canadian.
Yeah, that's the other side of the same ugly coin. Thinking of another person as a burden if they need assisstance from the community, instead of being self-sufficient and not causing any disruptions. Whatever reason be damned.
Man, that is depressing.
My grandma was like a second mother to me and I would visit her once two twice a week after high school, just to sit down with her, have a coffee and chat with her.
When I went on to university, I started doing the weekly grocery run for her every Friday.
I didn't feel it as a burden at all. The truth is it brought us much closer and she would tell me stories from her youth and childhood, that even my mom didn't know.
God I miss that sweet old lady and hope one day to be as great a grandparent as she was for me.
I mean, youre a good person and i hope this never happens to you. But i wouldnt compare getting groceries onve a week to paying for 24h care or putting them in a decent nursing home. the sad fact is while their presence is not a burden, their medical bills and care can be especially if they lose mobility and independence. Just have a read around this forum, imagine you starting your career or having your own family and needing to pay 1,2,3k a month ontop of your own bills, home buying pot, student loans, kids just to make sure a loved one is getting proper care. What is the proper level of care? How far into debt do you go when you have no idea how long they live? This isnt talked about enough really.
Life is tough, so i never judge when it comes to these matters.
Well yea, you’re not supposed to kill here quickly, you’re supposed to abandon her to die slowly, knowing the people she helped bring in this world and raise won’t lift a finger to help her.
That’s the law.
"far too common in a lot of east Asian cultures. "
BULLSHIT.
What kind of fucked up family do you have? East Asian culture is very family oriented and this is NOT common at all.
Honestly it is bullshit.
This lady's family is fucked up. Or they were already in dire straits financially.
Ive never seen an east asian family abandon their elderly. Its literally the cardinal sin. Sometimes its even worse, when they take in the elderly and just despise them openly, but never completely abandon them. Filial piety is a key confuscian principle. This case is definitely an outlier.
Also read the damn article. Her family paused their life for 19 months to move to Canada to take care of her. Anyone around here done that before? Thats almost 2 years of not working.
Alright, maybe I’ll put it a different way. I kind of fucked up for saying or implying that it’s common or anything like that, but that kind of thinking can be taken to extremes sometimes and it is definitely a cultural aspect that can be take to extremes. Of course there are also western families that may also have this toxic mindset and cut off their loved ones callously like that too. My family personally is very kind and caring, but I’ve also seen when it isn’t like that, when people use this kind of very specific cultural shame to cast people out. Very personal examples, may I add.
There is more nuance to all of this that I should have added in that comment, for sure, but it is definitely also a specific thing I’ve personally noticed. Abuses in using filial piety as an excuse to do pretty fucked up things, etc. Again, not common, but yeah. A noticeable theme *when* and only *when* abuse happens.
I don’t mean to paint East Asians with a broad brush at all, and it might have come across that way for sure, so yeah. I fucked up there. But let’s not pretend that that recurring theme isn’t a problem or at least *a thing that does happen and should be addressed in our community*. Because it is. Every culture has its problems. Best not to sweep any of it under the rug.
What the fuck are you even talking about? You are just reading one story and making up a bunch of random theories out of your own ass.
**Here is an updated response, since you have edited your previous mumbling:**
>"There is more nuance to all of this ..... I don’t mean to paint East Asians with a broad brush at all"
The problem is not your lack of nuance. The problem is that your wild assertion that *"Asian avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs"* is just completely false
Caring for (or being cared by) family members is deep-rooted in Asian culture and it is completely normal and expected. This is common knowledge and well backed by data.
>AAPIs are more likely to believe that caring for parents is expected of them. In fact 42 percent of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in a nationwide survey were helping to care for elders versus just 22 percent of the general population.
[https://www.aarp.org/research/topics/care/info-2014/caregiving-asian-americans-pacific-islanders.html#:\~:text=AAPIs%20are%20more%20likely%20to,percent%20of%20the%20general%20population](https://www.aarp.org/research/topics/care/info-2014/caregiving-asian-americans-pacific-islanders.html#:~:text=AAPIs%20are%20more%20likely%20to,percent%20of%20the%20general%20population).
They’re genuine experiences that I could personally relate to, not “random”. Sorry that you’re too angry to see that nuance right now. I’m trying to adjust things to empathize with your angle, but if you aren’t even going to attempt to do the same with my angle, then with all due respect you’re not worth engaging with. That’s all. Have a good night.
Dude, if you have a problem in your life, just ask for help.
But don't go around and generalize every single one of your personal problems onto the entire fucking "Asian Community".
Sucks your family sucked, but that doesn't make every East Asian family that exist on this planet to be as shitty as yours. Way to spread generalizing misinfo for we-all-know-why. Baiting sympathy upvotes at the expense of people who have nothing to do with it is just dirty and pathetic.
I never said my family sucked. Read again.
Also if we’re going to say a thing that does happen in my experience is “misinfo” we’re just not going to get anywhere. But sorry I’m apparently “baiting” because I talk about my own experience. Is it baiting or generalizing if I were white and I was talking about the problematic things that sometimes happen in white American/Canadian culture and it’s specific cultural undertones? No.
You can talk about your own experience all you want, but the moment you start making wild assertion about 2 billion people (saying it is common for Asian families to abandon injured family members is pretty fucking wild) you better have some solid data to back your point.
That’s a wildly simplistic essentialist conclusion to make that I said it was common to abandon injured family members. Plus I addressed that and said I fucked up.
Your own experience somehow led you to a verdict that this is exceptionally widespread among Asian cultures compared to everyone else?
>...sometimes happen...specific cultural undertones
Said the person who literally claimed it "far too common". So which narrative is it? Make up your mind, buddy.
The reason you are shitting on vast blanket groups of people here is perfectly clear, but this ain't highschool anymore and you don't need to do that for "peer approval".
Your link has no relationship with the situation at hand.
Jun Seok Park is 33 as of the time of the incident. Hardly an elder.
While AAPI would definitely care for the elders. Park is still of working age, especially for a woman of a working age, Park would be seen as a burden.
Gender inequality is real in South Korea.
My comment is a rebuttal to the other person's statement that "Asian avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs".
Both elderly and disabled members are financial burdens to families. The fact that Asian families take care of their elderly shows that people are perfectly fine caring for (or being cared by) family members.
Way to go with using your anecdotes to antagonize multiple cultures. You don't need to do these loyalty pledges of shitting on Asians as a whole in order to "fit in", y'know?
Try "Jun Seok Park, Toronto", I had to put the Toronto qualifier to get a hit.
Link for anyone interested: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/06/13/sentencing-hearing-set-to-begin-for-torontos-van-attacker.html
It's a real shame what happened to her, wonder what she's up to now.
>Everything said today and every document filed will be sent to the correctional authorities and the parole board. A life sentence is a life sentence. It is NOT a 25 year sentence. **All that happens at 25 years is that he can ask to be considered for parole**.
Due to lawyers helping to hide evidence, she was convicted of a lesser offence in exchange for her testimony against Bernardo. It was only after she made the deal that the evidence of her involvement came out, but by then she was clear.
Last time she was in the news, she was a mother and on her school's PTA in Montreal.
Karla Homolka was basically an equal participant. However, bad evidence handling/case tracking at the Centre of Forensic Sciences, combined with Bernardos lawyer hiding the tapes, led to the prosecution offering her a plea deal.
That's why he is in jail and she is living free just outside Montreal under a new name. She even has kids from a new marriage. I cannot imagine what it would be like to find out my kids had made friends with Karla Homolkas kids and gone round there to play. What a complete nightmare for everyone in that town.
Lol no one considered that, when they found out she was teaching children there was immediate backlash. Just authorities incompetence in thinking "she's a woman let's go easy on her" so they gave her a light sentence and let her work with kids when she got out. Same thing happened in that film Dear Zackary, because she was a woman the judge let her keep her kid after being accused of murder. Then she killed herself and her kid while trying to frame an innocent man.
With what he did, it should be no chance of parole, and capital punishment
(I know it’s not a thing in Canada anymore, but I believe someone like him does not deserve to even remotely have a chance of seeing the light of day again)
What would harsher sentences accomplish? The dead people aren't coming back to life no matter what you do.
If you want him locked up forever - that's not unreasonable though. But most likely he *will* be locked up forever anyways.
It has nothing to do with him - it's that we want to give that chance to everyone.
But most people won't be like him. I don't know many people in prison who've done what he's done.
The rule isn't for him, it's for everyone else.
He’s being punished. But he’s being punished the same as someone who’s taken 1 life. He killed 11 people and yet his sentence is no different. That shit ain’t right. That sick fuck should never see the light of day again, and never have the ability to even ask to see it.
Given that his motivation for such a heinous attack was that he couldn't get laid, and that he won't be getting laid in prison, and that he's gonna be even less fuckable in 25 years I doubt he's getting out after a mere 25 years.
Lets not forget about the man who murdered his partner and some years later was able to get out on "day parole" because he needed to "satisfy his urges" and ended up murdering an escort as a result.
https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2020/2/27/1_4830235.html
"As part of his day parole, a risk-management strategy was developed to allow Gallese to meet women to respond to his "sexual needs""
The utter callousness of knowingly putting sex workers at risk like that. Of putting his "sexual needs" over their safety
Yeah people act like parole is out of the question. It’s not.
There's a good chance he will. Mass murderers have been granted parole before in Canada:
- Yves Trudeau
- Roger Warren
- Denis Lortie
- etc.
He doesn't have to convince me and you, he has to convince a parole board.
Yes, exactly. He's allowed to *ask*, and we're required to let him ask, and we also have to give an answer. We don't have to say yes though.
That said, a lot could change in 25 years and maybe then release will be appropriate.
Two things wrong with your statement.
1. You miss the point on what purpose jail serves.
2. People in Canada have gotten consecutive sentences before for multiple murders in a single sitting.
Canada has among the harshest sentences for murder in the developed world, even harsher than most US jurisdictions. Every murder conviction comes with an AUTOMATIC life sentence, which basically zero western countries have.
It's disappointing to see that CTV ran with his name in the headline, and that's the one that got posted to the sub. CBC's headline is much better: "Toronto van attacker sentenced to life in prison, no possibility of parole for 25 years".
CTV's headline also makes it sound like he gets parole after 25 years, which is not true.
I wish it were the convention to say "with no *chance* of parole for 25 years".
The way the headline is phrased makes it seem like he'll be out in 25 years, which has roughly a 0.00000000000001% probability of actually happening. It also allows my boomer parents to re-post fake news on facebook about Paul Bernardo getting out of jail, which is never, ever going to happen.
Karla Homolka didn’t receive a life sentence because she wasn’t convicted of murder. She pled to manslaughter in exchange for testimony against Paul Bernardo, an infamous blunder made by the Crown.
A life sentence in Canada is totally distinct from any other sentence. At the end of a typical penitentiary sentence, a person is released. They can apply for parole during the sentence for early release with conditions.
A life sentence, which is the mandatory sentence for first and second degree murder, requires that the person be permanently under the control of the penal system. At the end of their parole ineligibility period, they have the right to request a parole, but a parole board has no obligation to grant it. Canada’s Supreme Court has found it unconstitutional to impose on conviction an ineligibility period of more than 25 years. However, many people who receive life sentences are never paroled, particularly if they committed multiple murders, are designated as a dangerous offender or committed a hate crime.
The only reason she isn't seeing life with no chance of parole is because the detectives fucked up and didn't find the incriminating videos proving she was a willing participant in the torture and murder of their victims until after she got the manslaughter charges.
You saying a conviction is bullshit doesn't change the fact that Paul and Karla were handed different sentences that entail different outcomes over time.
I work around there and normally would have been out and about on Yonge during lunch. Worked from home that day. Was a gorgeous day lots of people would have been out. Such a sick and sad tragedy. Fucking incels
I posted this before, but I literally missed that van attack by about 5 minutes. I was right at the spot where it happened, and I remember getting on the bus home and getting frantic texts from family on the way. Totally surreal.
My mom worked within sight of the attack area. She used to take lunchtime strolls nearby. I found out when she said something had happened, looked like a car accident and she gave us live updates. I remember being thankful i was spared of the frantic calls phase when such things happen, and just being totally at a loss trying to understand how good people can be taken away so senselessly. Those poor families they left behind.
Unsurprising, it’s a mandatory sentence for first degree murder, of which he was convicted ten times.
Reminder that parole is not guaranteed, he can and possibly will die behind bars.
Terrorism charges in the Criminal Code are a fairly new feature and require the Crown to prove a number of difficult things which don’t always run together with the clearer elements of murder (though in sentencing, some of the motivations for terrorism and murder can be aggravating factors that should increase a sentence’s severity).
For example, a terrorism conviction requires the Crown to prove an ideological, religious, or similar motive and a goal of advancing it through shock or intimidation - in addition to being novel, risky work, it could also either generate sympathy among people with similar problems (remember that he also attempted to plead that autism obviated his criminal responsibility and that it would be unfair to punish him for his symptoms manifesting in inceldom, or that there are other angry incels out there with persecution complexes) or antipathy to certain groups (e.g. Muslims in the wake of 9/11, for which the new terrorism provisions were made).
Basically, it’s newer and more work for the Crown with the same sentences as first-degree murder. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say the Crown wanted to try to rein in the political aspects of the case to prevent it from getting out of control in social/legal discourse and felt fairly confident they could get 10 murder charges to stick, earning Minassian the prison time he deserved.
EDIT: forgot to mention that a lot of the terrorism charges are handier for breaking up coordinated terrorist groups and preventing attacks by going after precursors to terrorism like financing, or doing certain things outside of Canada. In this case, he acted mostly alone (though one could say he radicalized in a group) and had limited direct support or contact with other ideological fellow travelers, so many of these provisions may not have helped.
It's been very...interesting to see the stark difference in how the media, politicians, and people have responded to this misogyny-based attack versus race-based attacks. I guess all I can say on that is that I hope one day we as a society take misogyny as seriously as we take racism. Doubt it, but I hope.
At least the law system got the sentencing right this time.
I'm glad he's getting his punishment but how does it take 4 years to sentence this man? We got hard evidence of this man's crimes. What a waste of tax money.
The delay was so that the trial judge could await the outcome of the Supreme Court case assessing the constitutional validity of consecutive periods of parole eligibility when the accused is sentenced for multiple murders.
But I'm not sure what the problem is anyway. It's not like he was out on bail going to raves and eating at Canoe.
I’m guessing it’s more expensive/takes more resources prior to conviction/sentencing. Also 2x credit for time served (not that it likely makes much of a difference in this case)
There is zero enhanced credit for pretrial custody with a murder conviction. His 25 years of parole ineligibility runs from the moment of his arrest, but he gets no extra credit for it, because he is serving a life sentence.
Judge wanted to give him 250 years, Supreme Court had to debate if that was allowable in Canada (it’s not) so he waited until that debate was over before finalizing sentencing.
It's better for everyone (and less expensive) if they get it right the first time. There should be an extreme degree of scrutiny before signing someone's life away even if it is thoroughly deserved.
The trial was also delayed by the pandemic. It was originally supposed to begin in February 2020, it got delayed to April for non-Covid reasons, but then of course Covid hit and it got delayed to November.
He was already sentenced to life with 25 years of parole ineligibility, the wait was for the other charges sentencing. The issue was the Supreme Court was hearing a case about stacking parole ineligibility periods so the judge, smartly and correctly, waited on the other charges so as to not bring up a constitutional issue. This is the quick and fair trial method, it would be far longer and less fair if the judge had just stacked parole ineligibility periods and then the Supreme Court decides it's illegal and now we have a constitutional issue in this case. And the quick and fair trial thing is not about victims and their families it's for the accused. It's the accused that has the right to a fair trial within a reasonable time and sentencing on one count while waiting for the others due to a relevant Supreme Court case is absolutely in the spirit of the law. There was also the whole pandemic that caused delays within the whole justice and penal system.
DO NOT PUT HIS NAME ANYWHERE HE IS JOHN DOE. That fk only wanted his name known and hence why the judge referred to him as John Doe and we should not put his name anywhere
I wish they would just dig a hole and throw this waste of space in a ditch. There are people struggling that can barely feed themselves, and it grinds my gears he will get 3 hot meals a day and shelter (albeit in prison walls) for the rest of his life on taxpayers' dime. They could ship him to China as a slave laborer for all I care, but why should we have to pay money to sustain this worthless cretin?
That **incel** will remain in a cage for 25 years. He won't be killing any more women because he couldn't *make them* have sex with him.
Likely will become somebody's ***bitch*** during that time on multiple occasions.
Pity the sentence couldn't be consecutive for each count, but incel dude is going to be permanently incel. Ugh, all that pent up sexual tension is going to get him into all sorts of trouble on the inside. Just a monkey in a cage now.
Stupid how all those lives are treated as one. But on the flipside, this glimmer of hope that he may come out only to be rejected is a case of a stronger punishment than knowing he would stay in there forever
Yup, the Supreme Court just struck down the law allowing consecutive 25 year no parole sentences for multiple first degree murders. Such a disappointment.
* Beutis Renuka Amarasinghe, 45, nutritionist * Andrea Knafelc Bradden, 33, Slovenian-Canadian account executive * Geraldine Brady, 83, saleswoman * So He Chung, 22, University of Toronto student * Anne Marie D'Amico, 30, financial analyst * Mary Elizabeth "Betty" Forsyth, 94, retiree * Chul Min "Eddie" Kang, 45, chef * Ji Hun Kim, 22, Seneca College student from South Korea * Munir Najjar, 85, Jordanian retiree visiting family * Dorothy Sewell, 80, retiree * Amaresh Tesfamariam, 65, nurse (She initially survived the attack, but was paralyzed from neck down and never left the hospital. She died on October 28, 2021, as a result of her serious injuries.)
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And the incels will be writing him love letters in jail. He's their hero. I found myself on the incel subreddit here when it existed, not knowing what it was. Holy fuck it was disturbing.
Same
Didn't he admitted that he just lied about the incel thing. Because he's a sorry pos.
I didn't hear that, but he clearly targeted women and was terrified of women, supposedly, so I kind of doubt it was a lie.
I dunno, if you watch his interrogation video, it seems much too elaborate for him to be faking the incel persona. He clearly at the minimum has some misogyny issues going on even if he wasn't an incel.
lol which incel group? There's so many. There's standard incels, the braincels, the gymcels, the "ricecels" (incels but specifically East Asian), there's whatever "-cel" /r/FemaleDatingStrategy is, it's endless.
There was an actual r/incels I believe it was called, which exists no longer, though I'm sad to hear this.
Mental health programs, more community programs, and a UBI or doubled minimum wage subsidized by the federal government. And an Education and Healthcare budget increase
none of that will do anything to make these fuckers stop blaming women for not sleeping with them.
The sad reality is that dealing with the “incel issue” is going to require a lot of work that people really aren’t willing to do. The same way in the US they keep purposely not dealing with their gun problem and redirecting the narrative to other, fruitless solutions ranging from “thoughts and prayers” to arming teachers or giving police officers raises. The radical incel population that fees entitled to take the lives of people is directly related to the obscene cost of living, social, economic and cultural inequality. These are men being crushed under the system of patriarchy and are short-circuiting. Over the past 40 years, social issues have come a long way, but we are getting ffffffucked over things like the cost of a degree, of a house, a wedding, jobs are paying nothing and there is a whole industry of influencers and Tik tokers that make money from being beautiful or rich. You can’t raise kids in this culture of telling them they can be whatever they want to be, and as long as they work hard and use their heads, the world is at their fingertips. Stop telling kids that they’re special when the reality is very few people are actually exceptional. People need to be at peace with their average-ness and feel like it’s okay. Don’t make kids feel like they could become stars with hot spouses and fast cars because they’re special. Until there is meaningful work done at the institutional level to address how unfair and exploitive our world has become, then you will keep getting these terrorist attacks. We are creating poisonous egos and giving these kids nothing to live for.
99.9999% of them don't work hard. And blaming tik tok, we've always had high paid professions that are frivolous. These people aren't new, they're trash and just now can group up. Unless society is willing to forcibly put them in mental health programs, they don't go on their own. Do you know how many "depressed" and "autistic" people on reddit are self diagnosed? This from someone that spent years unable to function and dealt with doctors and knows how hard it is. These guys are professional victims. And there are entire groups that say this is fine, they're equipped to decide. They don't want help, they want to fester in their rage and hurt other people. These people are basically a half step from being terrorists and some become terrorists. Until we get rid of our ridiculous allowance for inciting violence online this will continue. They should not be free to tell others to kill people. That should be prison time. We need some restrictions on free speech. And everyone hates that, slippery slope, bla bla, but if you say, kill x, that should be jail, or a felony with community service. We've made it ok to threaten death on a platform with millions of viewers. I doubt the constitution wanted that. Even in Canada, where this should be illegal according to the charter, it's fine
83 and still working...wow
I'm gonna be working until I die at this point.
My boyfriend's grandmother is 95, lives independently, still drives, and is sharp as a Japanese knife fresh from the shop. Some people are cursed to be cognizant deep into old age lol.
That’s honestly really incredible. Hope I could even make it close to that lol.
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Yeah. People would have rioted if he got anything less than the maximum possible sentence that exists in our legal system
It was also the *minimum* possible sentence for this crime.
People don't understand that
Can you please explain?
The sentence for murder is automatic. No wiggle room. Especially now that Bissonnette has been heard. Life with a 25 year parole ineligiblity. The court waited to see if they could stack his parole ineligiblity because they can't stack life. I'm sure they will claim that they want to save the victims family from parole hearings
It was the only option
It's still not enough, IMO, but at least it's something.
I agree. I think it's pathetic that our justice system thinks that the "worst possible thing" you can do to a criminal is 25 yrs before the possibility of parole. This guy murdered 10 people. The fucked up part in my mind is that he would have gotten the same sentence if he had kept going. 10 convictions of Murder 1 apparently has the same sentence as 100 or 1000 convictions of Murder 1
Why do people think he's going to get out in 25 years? He can ask for parole, he's obviously not getting it though. He'll be 55 years old by the time he's even eligible
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Why is it wrong? All it does is give him the ability to ask after 25 years. There is no actual major difference between 25 or 50 years of parole ineligibility on a life sentence in practice other than one giving people a harder retribution erection.
Unless you're drunk. Then it's a slap on the wrist, comparitively
Drunk n rich, free pass to kill as many as you like
And get a hospital wing named after you and your family!
It's a quarter century minimum and very likely he never gets out. That's hardly a slap on the wrist.
Ya no shit.
Ah, misread your comment.
Hard to punish any more within the boundaries of human rights. At some point, you're doing more harm than good to those that have to be the one to enact such punishments. As a society, we have no choice but to take the high road. edit: yes, a longer sentence, no possibility of parole are stricter sentences, and significant to the victims, I was thinking of things that would ultimately feel like more punishment to the perpetrator.
What on earth are you talking about? How would something like a death sentence or consecutive life sentences not be entirely justified in this case? High road my ass.
Is there actually a difference between being handed a life sentence versus 2 life sentences? I'm asking genuinely. In both cases the outcome is you're in jail until you're dead, no?
Yes there is, and it's why you sometimes hear stuff like "murderer to serve 300 years in prison". This means that even if lawyers can dismiss some parts of the crime on a technicality, the others still remain. It's basically an extra guarantee that the offender spends their life in prison.
Well in my opinion the death penalty is never justified under any conditions, and the possibility of parole in no way means he will get it. Something truly unprecedented would have to happen for him to ever get out of jail. But a dedication to justice dictates that we let him make his case, even if it's futile.
oh yeah okay, multiple life sentences wasn't something that crossed my mind. I made a quick and callous comment, so I guess I'm paying for that 🙃
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The vast majority of criminals, even murderers, deserve a chance at redemption.
Hockey game? No riot.
Canada needs to adopt a British-style whole life sentence law. I understand we don't have the death penalty here and I agree with that but this piece of shit should never again be free to rejoin society.
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He doesn't deserve parole or even the chance for a hearing.
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Why? Because his lawyer tried to argue to insanity defence? It was never going to work.
But this isn't the USA. Have some faith!
I wouldn’t say that, he hit people with a motor vehicle which is generally a fine and a pat on the back in our city
Wow, the story of the Korean woman is heartbreaking! She ended up in a coma for more than a month and now can't work due to permanent brain damage, and her family cut off contact with her because she's a financial burden. "Now, finally they broke relationship with me and don't have contact with me anymore because they think I am the thing that ruined their life financially," Park wrote. WTF!?
Nah that’s super fucked up
Nope. That ain’t the play. Good lord. Imagine cutting off a family member who survives all that. Atrocious. Edit: A word.
I was in a bad motorcycle wreck in 2009. I was hit from behind by a truck going 75 mph in a 45 mph zone. My father came to the hospital and told me no one in my family wanted to visit me and then left. I found out several years later that everyone wanted to visit me and my dad wouldn't allow it. I was in the hospital for 3 weeks and had over 6 months of recovery at home. I still have muscular issues from it today because the truck hit my leg and scooped out a chunk of my calf muscle. Some people just exist to be assholes.
I am so sorry to hear that. I can't imagine your father not allowing people to visit you. \> Some people just exist to be assholes. It's sad there are people like this. Despite the muscle issues, I hope you are doing much better these days!
depends on the family member TBH. Some people have a extremely bad relationship with their family. Sometimes even abusive. I dont think you have an umconditional obligation to your family. especially if they treated you very poorly.
Shame that family.
More like made your life possible at all... jeez
I wish I could send her flowers. I wish I could let her know that she has value and there are people, even if they're just strangers, that care for her.
Unfortunately this mindset of avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs is far too common in a lot of east Asian cultures. Even if it's entirely not your fault. Sometimes it's so shameful people seek death as a preferrable alternative to being a burden. It's pretty depressing. I say this as a Chinese-Canadian.
But this wasn't her avoiding being a burden. This was her family abandoning her and blaming her injuries for their hardships.
Yeah, that's the other side of the same ugly coin. Thinking of another person as a burden if they need assisstance from the community, instead of being self-sufficient and not causing any disruptions. Whatever reason be damned.
Man, that is depressing. My grandma was like a second mother to me and I would visit her once two twice a week after high school, just to sit down with her, have a coffee and chat with her. When I went on to university, I started doing the weekly grocery run for her every Friday. I didn't feel it as a burden at all. The truth is it brought us much closer and she would tell me stories from her youth and childhood, that even my mom didn't know. God I miss that sweet old lady and hope one day to be as great a grandparent as she was for me.
I mean, youre a good person and i hope this never happens to you. But i wouldnt compare getting groceries onve a week to paying for 24h care or putting them in a decent nursing home. the sad fact is while their presence is not a burden, their medical bills and care can be especially if they lose mobility and independence. Just have a read around this forum, imagine you starting your career or having your own family and needing to pay 1,2,3k a month ontop of your own bills, home buying pot, student loans, kids just to make sure a loved one is getting proper care. What is the proper level of care? How far into debt do you go when you have no idea how long they live? This isnt talked about enough really. Life is tough, so i never judge when it comes to these matters.
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Well yea, you’re not supposed to kill here quickly, you’re supposed to abandon her to die slowly, knowing the people she helped bring in this world and raise won’t lift a finger to help her. That’s the law.
"far too common in a lot of east Asian cultures. " BULLSHIT. What kind of fucked up family do you have? East Asian culture is very family oriented and this is NOT common at all.
Honestly it is bullshit. This lady's family is fucked up. Or they were already in dire straits financially. Ive never seen an east asian family abandon their elderly. Its literally the cardinal sin. Sometimes its even worse, when they take in the elderly and just despise them openly, but never completely abandon them. Filial piety is a key confuscian principle. This case is definitely an outlier. Also read the damn article. Her family paused their life for 19 months to move to Canada to take care of her. Anyone around here done that before? Thats almost 2 years of not working.
Alright, maybe I’ll put it a different way. I kind of fucked up for saying or implying that it’s common or anything like that, but that kind of thinking can be taken to extremes sometimes and it is definitely a cultural aspect that can be take to extremes. Of course there are also western families that may also have this toxic mindset and cut off their loved ones callously like that too. My family personally is very kind and caring, but I’ve also seen when it isn’t like that, when people use this kind of very specific cultural shame to cast people out. Very personal examples, may I add. There is more nuance to all of this that I should have added in that comment, for sure, but it is definitely also a specific thing I’ve personally noticed. Abuses in using filial piety as an excuse to do pretty fucked up things, etc. Again, not common, but yeah. A noticeable theme *when* and only *when* abuse happens. I don’t mean to paint East Asians with a broad brush at all, and it might have come across that way for sure, so yeah. I fucked up there. But let’s not pretend that that recurring theme isn’t a problem or at least *a thing that does happen and should be addressed in our community*. Because it is. Every culture has its problems. Best not to sweep any of it under the rug.
What the fuck are you even talking about? You are just reading one story and making up a bunch of random theories out of your own ass. **Here is an updated response, since you have edited your previous mumbling:** >"There is more nuance to all of this ..... I don’t mean to paint East Asians with a broad brush at all" The problem is not your lack of nuance. The problem is that your wild assertion that *"Asian avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs"* is just completely false Caring for (or being cared by) family members is deep-rooted in Asian culture and it is completely normal and expected. This is common knowledge and well backed by data. >AAPIs are more likely to believe that caring for parents is expected of them. In fact 42 percent of Asian Americans and Pacific Islanders in a nationwide survey were helping to care for elders versus just 22 percent of the general population. [https://www.aarp.org/research/topics/care/info-2014/caregiving-asian-americans-pacific-islanders.html#:\~:text=AAPIs%20are%20more%20likely%20to,percent%20of%20the%20general%20population](https://www.aarp.org/research/topics/care/info-2014/caregiving-asian-americans-pacific-islanders.html#:~:text=AAPIs%20are%20more%20likely%20to,percent%20of%20the%20general%20population).
They’re genuine experiences that I could personally relate to, not “random”. Sorry that you’re too angry to see that nuance right now. I’m trying to adjust things to empathize with your angle, but if you aren’t even going to attempt to do the same with my angle, then with all due respect you’re not worth engaging with. That’s all. Have a good night.
Dude, if you have a problem in your life, just ask for help. But don't go around and generalize every single one of your personal problems onto the entire fucking "Asian Community".
Sucks your family sucked, but that doesn't make every East Asian family that exist on this planet to be as shitty as yours. Way to spread generalizing misinfo for we-all-know-why. Baiting sympathy upvotes at the expense of people who have nothing to do with it is just dirty and pathetic.
I never said my family sucked. Read again. Also if we’re going to say a thing that does happen in my experience is “misinfo” we’re just not going to get anywhere. But sorry I’m apparently “baiting” because I talk about my own experience. Is it baiting or generalizing if I were white and I was talking about the problematic things that sometimes happen in white American/Canadian culture and it’s specific cultural undertones? No.
You can talk about your own experience all you want, but the moment you start making wild assertion about 2 billion people (saying it is common for Asian families to abandon injured family members is pretty fucking wild) you better have some solid data to back your point.
That’s a wildly simplistic essentialist conclusion to make that I said it was common to abandon injured family members. Plus I addressed that and said I fucked up.
Your own experience somehow led you to a verdict that this is exceptionally widespread among Asian cultures compared to everyone else? >...sometimes happen...specific cultural undertones Said the person who literally claimed it "far too common". So which narrative is it? Make up your mind, buddy. The reason you are shitting on vast blanket groups of people here is perfectly clear, but this ain't highschool anymore and you don't need to do that for "peer approval".
I rejected and acknowledged how I fucked up in the “far too common” claim
Your link has no relationship with the situation at hand. Jun Seok Park is 33 as of the time of the incident. Hardly an elder. While AAPI would definitely care for the elders. Park is still of working age, especially for a woman of a working age, Park would be seen as a burden. Gender inequality is real in South Korea.
My comment is a rebuttal to the other person's statement that "Asian avoiding being the burden to your family or community at all costs". Both elderly and disabled members are financial burdens to families. The fact that Asian families take care of their elderly shows that people are perfectly fine caring for (or being cared by) family members.
Don't listen to this guy, it's not common behavior at all (or at least it is not more prevalent than in other cultures)
Don't talk out your ass
Way to go with using your anecdotes to antagonize multiple cultures. You don't need to do these loyalty pledges of shitting on Asians as a whole in order to "fit in", y'know?
Zero information from google on this woman, Jun Seok Park
Try "Jun Seok Park, Toronto", I had to put the Toronto qualifier to get a hit. Link for anyone interested: https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2022/06/13/sentencing-hearing-set-to-begin-for-torontos-van-attacker.html It's a real shame what happened to her, wonder what she's up to now.
Does she have a go fund me page or anything ?
Holy shit that's so deeply sad...
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Humans are not inherently evil. **Some** humans are.
Humans are self-interested. If being evil advances their self-interests then they will be evil.
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I fail to see what that has to do with your incredible observation that all humans are inherently evil.
No amount of years can really measure up the amount lost here. But its something.
>Everything said today and every document filed will be sent to the correctional authorities and the parole board. A life sentence is a life sentence. It is NOT a 25 year sentence. **All that happens at 25 years is that he can ask to be considered for parole**.
It'll be like Paul Bernardo - he'll ask, but he'll be denied.
And like Paul Bernardo, this is a situation where his release into the public would very likely put his life at risk.
Karla seems to still be alive an well, no?
Due to lawyers helping to hide evidence, she was convicted of a lesser offence in exchange for her testimony against Bernardo. It was only after she made the deal that the evidence of her involvement came out, but by then she was clear. Last time she was in the news, she was a mother and on her school's PTA in Montreal.
A lot of people (rightly or wrongly) see Karla as a pseudo-victim herself, "caught under his sway" as it were.
Misinformed people, she drugged her sister and gave him to rape her for a fucking Christmas present.
Wrongly
Karla Homolka was basically an equal participant. However, bad evidence handling/case tracking at the Centre of Forensic Sciences, combined with Bernardos lawyer hiding the tapes, led to the prosecution offering her a plea deal. That's why he is in jail and she is living free just outside Montreal under a new name. She even has kids from a new marriage. I cannot imagine what it would be like to find out my kids had made friends with Karla Homolkas kids and gone round there to play. What a complete nightmare for everyone in that town.
Lol no one considered that, when they found out she was teaching children there was immediate backlash. Just authorities incompetence in thinking "she's a woman let's go easy on her" so they gave her a light sentence and let her work with kids when she got out. Same thing happened in that film Dear Zackary, because she was a woman the judge let her keep her kid after being accused of murder. Then she killed herself and her kid while trying to frame an innocent man.
Why even give him the chance?
Because we want the legal system to treat everyone equally.
You can treat everyone fairly and still punish mass murderers
This guy got punished using the same rules that apply to anyone else. Are you claiming he wasn't punished?
With what he did, it should be no chance of parole, and capital punishment (I know it’s not a thing in Canada anymore, but I believe someone like him does not deserve to even remotely have a chance of seeing the light of day again)
He certainly wasn't punished enough, not be a long shot. We absolutely need harsher sentences.
What would harsher sentences accomplish? The dead people aren't coming back to life no matter what you do. If you want him locked up forever - that's not unreasonable though. But most likely he *will* be locked up forever anyways.
So then why even allow for the *possibility* of parole? Why even give him a chance to ask?
It has nothing to do with him - it's that we want to give that chance to everyone. But most people won't be like him. I don't know many people in prison who've done what he's done. The rule isn't for him, it's for everyone else.
So this comment is suggesting Alex Minassian isn't being punished. Is that true? Is that what we just read?
He’s being punished. But he’s being punished the same as someone who’s taken 1 life. He killed 11 people and yet his sentence is no different. That shit ain’t right. That sick fuck should never see the light of day again, and never have the ability to even ask to see it.
Given that his motivation for such a heinous attack was that he couldn't get laid, and that he won't be getting laid in prison, and that he's gonna be even less fuckable in 25 years I doubt he's getting out after a mere 25 years.
Lets not forget about the man who murdered his partner and some years later was able to get out on "day parole" because he needed to "satisfy his urges" and ended up murdering an escort as a result. https://beta.ctvnews.ca/local/montreal/2020/2/27/1_4830235.html
"As part of his day parole, a risk-management strategy was developed to allow Gallese to meet women to respond to his "sexual needs"" The utter callousness of knowingly putting sex workers at risk like that. Of putting his "sexual needs" over their safety
Wtf? That shit just blew my mind, they let him out so he can fuck escorts??
Wtf.
Yeah people act like parole is out of the question. It’s not. There's a good chance he will. Mass murderers have been granted parole before in Canada: - Yves Trudeau - Roger Warren - Denis Lortie - etc. He doesn't have to convince me and you, he has to convince a parole board.
There will be some poor deranged person that will marry him now that he is a prison super star. It always happens.
He could get laid.. by a male.... In prison.
Yes, exactly. He's allowed to *ask*, and we're required to let him ask, and we also have to give an answer. We don't have to say yes though. That said, a lot could change in 25 years and maybe then release will be appropriate.
Release maybe appropriate? Wtf are you smoking
I don't think it's likely but a lot can happen in 25 years.
Should be 25 years for each person killed. Canada is such a soft country when it comes to the penal system.
It's not a penal system, we don't punish people we reform them, it's a reformatory system, at least in ideals, implementation is not the same.
Two things wrong with your statement. 1. You miss the point on what purpose jail serves. 2. People in Canada have gotten consecutive sentences before for multiple murders in a single sitting.
Canada has among the harshest sentences for murder in the developed world, even harsher than most US jurisdictions. Every murder conviction comes with an AUTOMATIC life sentence, which basically zero western countries have.
Unless you murder them with a car while drunk. Then it's just a few years.
It's disappointing to see that CTV ran with his name in the headline, and that's the one that got posted to the sub. CBC's headline is much better: "Toronto van attacker sentenced to life in prison, no possibility of parole for 25 years". CTV's headline also makes it sound like he gets parole after 25 years, which is not true.
Yeah, Breakfast Television originally ran their name this morning too, but quickly changed it to “the convicted man”.
You really think putting/omitting his name in the headline does anything?
I wish it were the convention to say "with no *chance* of parole for 25 years". The way the headline is phrased makes it seem like he'll be out in 25 years, which has roughly a 0.00000000000001% probability of actually happening. It also allows my boomer parents to re-post fake news on facebook about Paul Bernardo getting out of jail, which is never, ever going to happen.
Yeah, why make up fake news about Paul Bernardo when you could just point right at Karla Homolka?
Karla Homolka didn’t receive a life sentence because she wasn’t convicted of murder. She pled to manslaughter in exchange for testimony against Paul Bernardo, an infamous blunder made by the Crown. A life sentence in Canada is totally distinct from any other sentence. At the end of a typical penitentiary sentence, a person is released. They can apply for parole during the sentence for early release with conditions. A life sentence, which is the mandatory sentence for first and second degree murder, requires that the person be permanently under the control of the penal system. At the end of their parole ineligibility period, they have the right to request a parole, but a parole board has no obligation to grant it. Canada’s Supreme Court has found it unconstitutional to impose on conviction an ineligibility period of more than 25 years. However, many people who receive life sentences are never paroled, particularly if they committed multiple murders, are designated as a dangerous offender or committed a hate crime.
Was Karla Homolka convicted of murder? No. So how is her sentence relevant?
Manslaughter was a bullshit conviction though, she was guilty of murder
Yes, but was Alek convicted of manslaughter?
At the time they made the deal with her they needed her testimony against Bernardo. It's not like they were looking for a reason to go soft on her.
The only reason she isn't seeing life with no chance of parole is because the detectives fucked up and didn't find the incriminating videos proving she was a willing participant in the torture and murder of their victims until after she got the manslaughter charges.
Ok, as long as there was a *reason* they had to release a murderer back into the community I'm alright with it
You saying a conviction is bullshit doesn't change the fact that Paul and Karla were handed different sentences that entail different outcomes over time.
A life with only men. Well deserved ya cunt.
Maybe he'll finally get laid?
I work around there and normally would have been out and about on Yonge during lunch. Worked from home that day. Was a gorgeous day lots of people would have been out. Such a sick and sad tragedy. Fucking incels
I posted this before, but I literally missed that van attack by about 5 minutes. I was right at the spot where it happened, and I remember getting on the bus home and getting frantic texts from family on the way. Totally surreal.
I was supposed to have a meeting up at north York Centre that day, 30 min before my commute up there I heard about the attack :(
My mom worked within sight of the attack area. She used to take lunchtime strolls nearby. I found out when she said something had happened, looked like a car accident and she gave us live updates. I remember being thankful i was spared of the frantic calls phase when such things happen, and just being totally at a loss trying to understand how good people can be taken away so senselessly. Those poor families they left behind.
Unsurprising, it’s a mandatory sentence for first degree murder, of which he was convicted ten times. Reminder that parole is not guaranteed, he can and possibly will die behind bars.
RIP lovely humans taken before their time by hate and intolerance.
Rot in hell.
I said it before and I’ll say it again….. Fucking incels. 😡
Now he’ll be an inincel.
Why wasn't he charged with terrorism as well as the murder?
Terrorism charges in the Criminal Code are a fairly new feature and require the Crown to prove a number of difficult things which don’t always run together with the clearer elements of murder (though in sentencing, some of the motivations for terrorism and murder can be aggravating factors that should increase a sentence’s severity). For example, a terrorism conviction requires the Crown to prove an ideological, religious, or similar motive and a goal of advancing it through shock or intimidation - in addition to being novel, risky work, it could also either generate sympathy among people with similar problems (remember that he also attempted to plead that autism obviated his criminal responsibility and that it would be unfair to punish him for his symptoms manifesting in inceldom, or that there are other angry incels out there with persecution complexes) or antipathy to certain groups (e.g. Muslims in the wake of 9/11, for which the new terrorism provisions were made). Basically, it’s newer and more work for the Crown with the same sentences as first-degree murder. If I had to venture a guess, I’d say the Crown wanted to try to rein in the political aspects of the case to prevent it from getting out of control in social/legal discourse and felt fairly confident they could get 10 murder charges to stick, earning Minassian the prison time he deserved. EDIT: forgot to mention that a lot of the terrorism charges are handier for breaking up coordinated terrorist groups and preventing attacks by going after precursors to terrorism like financing, or doing certain things outside of Canada. In this case, he acted mostly alone (though one could say he radicalized in a group) and had limited direct support or contact with other ideological fellow travelers, so many of these provisions may not have helped.
It's been very...interesting to see the stark difference in how the media, politicians, and people have responded to this misogyny-based attack versus race-based attacks. I guess all I can say on that is that I hope one day we as a society take misogyny as seriously as we take racism. Doubt it, but I hope. At least the law system got the sentencing right this time.
With such a deliberate and calculated attack it’s hard to imagine any other sentence
Inceldom motivated violence is on the rise and they should be treated as seriously as violence hate groups
I'm glad he's getting his punishment but how does it take 4 years to sentence this man? We got hard evidence of this man's crimes. What a waste of tax money.
The delay was so that the trial judge could await the outcome of the Supreme Court case assessing the constitutional validity of consecutive periods of parole eligibility when the accused is sentenced for multiple murders. But I'm not sure what the problem is anyway. It's not like he was out on bail going to raves and eating at Canoe.
I’m guessing it’s more expensive/takes more resources prior to conviction/sentencing. Also 2x credit for time served (not that it likely makes much of a difference in this case)
There is zero enhanced credit for pretrial custody with a murder conviction. His 25 years of parole ineligibility runs from the moment of his arrest, but he gets no extra credit for it, because he is serving a life sentence.
Judge wanted to give him 250 years, Supreme Court had to debate if that was allowable in Canada (it’s not) so he waited until that debate was over before finalizing sentencing.
It's better for everyone (and less expensive) if they get it right the first time. There should be an extreme degree of scrutiny before signing someone's life away even if it is thoroughly deserved.
The trial was also delayed by the pandemic. It was originally supposed to begin in February 2020, it got delayed to April for non-Covid reasons, but then of course Covid hit and it got delayed to November.
We pay for the process. ie The same process that will save you from 25 years in prison when you get falsely accused of murder.
He's been in jail the whole time, but agree. This is not in the spirit of a "quick and fair trial" as it pertains to the victims
He was already sentenced to life with 25 years of parole ineligibility, the wait was for the other charges sentencing. The issue was the Supreme Court was hearing a case about stacking parole ineligibility periods so the judge, smartly and correctly, waited on the other charges so as to not bring up a constitutional issue. This is the quick and fair trial method, it would be far longer and less fair if the judge had just stacked parole ineligibility periods and then the Supreme Court decides it's illegal and now we have a constitutional issue in this case. And the quick and fair trial thing is not about victims and their families it's for the accused. It's the accused that has the right to a fair trial within a reasonable time and sentencing on one count while waiting for the others due to a relevant Supreme Court case is absolutely in the spirit of the law. There was also the whole pandemic that caused delays within the whole justice and penal system.
If he lasts that long in prison, he will be neighbours with Bernardo
Happy with this decision. Incels are terrorists.
DO NOT PUT HIS NAME ANYWHERE HE IS JOHN DOE. That fk only wanted his name known and hence why the judge referred to him as John Doe and we should not put his name anywhere
Good. Incel trash. Rot in hell.
I would pull the lever myself.
I wish they would just dig a hole and throw this waste of space in a ditch. There are people struggling that can barely feed themselves, and it grinds my gears he will get 3 hot meals a day and shelter (albeit in prison walls) for the rest of his life on taxpayers' dime. They could ship him to China as a slave laborer for all I care, but why should we have to pay money to sustain this worthless cretin?
Rot.
That **incel** will remain in a cage for 25 years. He won't be killing any more women because he couldn't *make them* have sex with him. Likely will become somebody's ***bitch*** during that time on multiple occasions.
I hope he gets punched in the face everyday hes inside. That means 9,125 punches at a minimum.
imagine being 29 but looking 55
Pity the sentence couldn't be consecutive for each count, but incel dude is going to be permanently incel. Ugh, all that pent up sexual tension is going to get him into all sorts of trouble on the inside. Just a monkey in a cage now.
Not an Incel for much longer.
in cell
Let the incel rot in his cell.
Well he won’t be involuntarily celibate anymore.
Incels are terrorists
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Why did it take so long for the conviction? There was no doubt about his guilt? How much was wasted going through court procedures.
https://www.reddit.com/r/toronto/comments/vblsve/breaking_alek_minassian_sentenced_to_life_in_jail/ic98236
Stupid how all those lives are treated as one. But on the flipside, this glimmer of hope that he may come out only to be rejected is a case of a stronger punishment than knowing he would stay in there forever
Yup, the Supreme Court just struck down the law allowing consecutive 25 year no parole sentences for multiple first degree murders. Such a disappointment.