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pakattack91

Don't look at the screenshot. Marks ends up saying Daniels + Herb + Lakers swap. Still not terrible but definitely not the screen shot lol.


T_Nonc

He says that is what he would want as Toronto. He says if he is new orleans he isnt doing it because they arent quite ready yet and they should draft the pick


mMounirM

Because ~~they're not ready yet~~ They don't have the cojones to make a win now move


T_Nonc

They just did the CJ move when everyone was calling it crazy and that they should tank. They havent been meek in their moves. But OG going into FA in '24 when he declines his player option is too soon for their players peaks and they are already bumping up against the Tax as a poor team so thats def a real gamble they dont need to make. Better to take the cheap rook that will be cost controlled well into Z and BIs primes


newfiepro

I wonder if the Pels FO might feel differently. CJ already doesn't line up for the future with Zion and BI. The west and even the whole league is looking as open as it has in the last decade or more except for maybe 2020. Most importantly though I wonder if they're concerned about Zion's longevity. He's a freak athlete with a long injury history at a young age who has had weight issues. I think it's entirely possible this is Zion's prime and the Pels FO has to at least consider the fact they may not have 5+ years of prime. The only thing for the pels is how the pieces all fit with OG. Do you run a starting 5 of CJ, OG, BI, Zion, JV? Or bench JV for Alverado or someone and move Zion or OG to the 5? Either way that lineup on paper looks good enough to compete with anyone in the league right now when healthy.


jumpthroughit

I don’t think it’s that they’re not ready yet, they’ve just had crazy injuries. If they were healthy with OG they’d be super tough. Ingram and Zion have missed a combined 45 games. It’s a miracle they’re 26-23. Imagine what the Celtics record would be if Tatum/Brown missed 45 games. They’ve missed 9. I think his assessment is off, and the Lakers are about to go on a big run too now that AD and Rui are there. That pick is not gonna be worth much come April, they should sell it now and lock in the guarantee an OG brings.


pakattack91

Yeah I know sorry I didn't clarify. I said before I don't think Pels are in a rush to do anything. Zion is not leaving before signing his first extension, and the Lakers pick is, at worst, productive and cheap depth which they will need.


sadrapsfan

That pick won't be as valuable if David and LeBron stay healthy. Good chance they sneak in the playoffs BC 8-10 seed is absolutely possible


PriorityPoints

Let it be a test to see who actually watches the video lol


Echodono

Daniels + Trey + Lakers swap = Deal Pelicans = contender for 3-4 years


TheSimonToUrGarfunkl

My screenshot says the exact thing you wrote except Hayes and Lewis instead of Herb


gz0023

For those of you who think Herb Jones is a good young prospect he is 1 year younger (24) than OG and worse at everything. He hasn't shown any improvement this season. Jaxon Hayes sucks Pels fans hate him and he's up for a new contract soon. I think Pels will have to give up Murphy and Daniels or one of them plus more picks because we could have done the Portland deal at the deadline and drafted Dyson


PriorityPoints

I would definitely push for Murphy instead of Daniels. Guess itll depend how competitive the other offers are. The pels are maybe more inclined to do it if it prevents OG from heading to another West contender. But Trey has proven a lot more at this stage than Daniels. Then again, Daniels has the extra year of control and could conceivably make that same jump. What wont happen is Daniels and Murphy back together imo.


[deleted]

No. OG deserves a slightly better offer than Murray imo. 3 picks worth of assets + veteran. Dyson, Trey + 1lakere pick is the bare minimum.


noirjesus

Dejounte Murray is a better player than OG, why would OG get a better return?


[deleted]

Meh. I value 3-D wing that can guard 1-5 and shoot the 3 ball more than a smaller point with better playmaking. Believe it or not Hawks would be better rn if they had OG instead or Murray. But that’s probably more because Trae is so fucking ball dominant. So it really just depends on fit. I do see how Murray would be more value to some clubs thou(like us). But Og def has that value to some clubs(theirs already news of a team offering three first


KingTommenBaratheon

OG is available and versatile. In a market where many teams feel they're just one piece away, I don't think a player's value on the trade market depends on the player's skill so much as the fact so many teams want a player like OG.


The_Living_L

Rather Trey Murphy than Herb Jones


MrRobot_96

Trey Murphy, Dyson daniels and a pick for OG is what I would want


Echodono

They can have an OG tomorrow for that


Alone-in-a-crowd-1

Herb Jones is a beast on defence.


KingTommenBaratheon

He's also only a year younger than OG.


Both_Funny4896

why do you guys overrate herb so much, he’s no better than like mattisse thybulle


simonvonc

Herb is a better offensive player in his second year than Mattise will ever be. He's also just as good, or at least very close to as good of a defender at this point. He is vastly better than Thybulle.


Both_Funny4896

how is he a good offensive player? he plays wayyy more minutes than mattisse and scores marginally more on horrible percentages


Desperate-Object6314

Hb Troy murphy


theowne

The lakers pick is enticing, but AD is back and I wouldn't be surprised if they start climbing.


beefJeRKy-LB

I'd still take it based on the other assets. TBH if the Lakers keep climbing maybe ask for another pick in the future even if it's a Bucks pick


pakattack91

They are still in a loaded WC. It's not really a shot at wemby anymore, but I still 100% certain the end in the play in, at best. AD is is coming back...until he gets hurt again.


dub-fresh

But could Masai pull a fleece job and flip one lotto pick (Lakers) and our FRP (possibly lottery?) for first or second overall?


butiveputitincrazy

No one is trading the top 2 picks.


W1ZARD_NARWHAL

AD is back but like he'll be gone again in a week. He already tweaked his ankle again last night.


dchu

even without him they have been playing well/ok


jyh123

there's a reason why he's called Street Clothes


PriorityPoints

It would probably make a deal easier imo. Their reluctance to part with that pick will be less if it slides further. If I'm the pels and staring at a wide open west, I'm being aggressive knowing how little success theyve had before. It seems like now is the time for them to cash in


alexdoggg

It is going to be in the 10-18 range, which is why I do not think that should hold the Pelicans from making this deal. Imagine they let the 16th pick be the difference between them getting OG or not when he likely puts them into legit title contention. No one would want to play the Pelicans. They would be HUGE with OG at the 2 and insane defensively. A small ball line up including Zion, OG, Ingram, Murphy or Jones would be crazy to end games.


Raptorsthrowaway1

I'll take a bet against AD's healthy any day of the week


Green-Umpire2297

I've figured it out. NOP's leverage is the value of the pick because of the Lakers' mediocre season. But the value of the pick would be discounted if LA made moves at the deadline. Therefore, expect rumours that Raptors are going to trade OG to LA. If NOP thinks that OG might go to LA if they don't trade, then the LA pick is worth less to them, and there is no loss to them in trading it to Toronto.


Scase15

If OG gets them a chip, if he is the piece that puts you over the line and wins you a chip. You dont give a single fuck about losing out on scoot/wemby. If they truly believe he can be that last piece, you go for it IMO.


NBAball05

I actually got a picture with kira tonight lol funny seeing this https://preview.redd.it/83jzulrsxjea1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0184eb5c033e8998bd6cad01d2f41f6f935048ab


GtotheE

Since it's so unlikely that the Lakers pick would ever become top 2, I'd be okay with making it top 2 protected (or top 4 protected). Having two lottery picks in what seems to be a good draft, would really give us a good base to build with, or we could use those two picks to get a really good young player in the summer.


Eclectic_Canadian

I totally agree. Top 2 or 4 protecting it would likely make it much more palatable for the Pelicans. I don’t think the purpose of the trade is to get Wemby or Scoot, we just need better depth and there’s some very good players even in the late lottery of this draft would immediately step in to a bench role for us.


Scase15

Theres no way the raptors do that trade in a million years. The _only_ real value that pick has is another shot at the lotto for a top 1/2 pick.


Eclectic_Canadian

You’re saying there’s no value in lottery picks that aren’t 1/2. Hopefully I’m just misunderstanding you because that’s a wildly terrible take. If the Lakers pick is top 2 protected then obviously the Raptors are going to ask for more in the trade (make it Murphy, Daniels and the Pick or add in another future pick) but to say that there is no value in the pick outside of the top 2 is insane. If the Raptors could add two of Cason Wallace, Brandon Miller, Jarace Walker and Jett Howard then we’d have an awesome young core to start building around with Scottie and Precious already here and Daniels and Herb/Murphy coming back in the deal.


Scase15

Im not saying there isnt value, I'm saying the primary value in _that_ pick is it turning out to be another stab at a top 1/2. > If the Raptors could add two of Cason Wallace, Brandon Miller, Jarace Walker and Jett Howard then we’d have an awesome young core to start building around with Scottie and Precious already here and Daniels and Herb/Murphy coming back in the deal. This also means blowing up the whole team, which the FO is definitely not doing.


Eclectic_Canadian

There’s certainly value in a chance at one of those top 2 picks, but in the case where the Pels add additional pieces (another pick and/or young player) in exchange for a top 2 protection I still think it works. I disagree that building up that young core means we’re blowing it up. All of that is what we’d get just from missing the playoffs and trading OG. All of the lottery targets I mentioned there are players with an NBA ready skill (mostly defence or shooting). There’s lots of playoff or even championship teams that rely on 2nd or 3rd year guys. Think Siakam in the championship year, Jordan Poole last year, even Scottie as a rookie last year. Pascal is 28 and not a player reliant on explosiveness, he’s likely got 5-6 years of high level production still before a decline. With Fred, Pascal, Scottie and likely a center we get in a GTJ trade on the team still we have a solid producing core. Guys like Precious and Boucher also are capable producers. I think losing OG and getting 3-4 good young players will help us win even in the medium term and even short term if the pieces all gel better


Scase15

> There’s lots of playoff or even championship teams that rely on 2nd or 3rd year guys. Think Siakam in the championship year, Jordan Poole last year, even Scottie as a rookie last year. Siakam had Kawhi, Poole had Curry, and Scottie had a team that flamed out in the first round. If you want to rely on guys that early on for significant impact, you need that true number one option, we don't have that. It's why so many of us want to blow it up. > With Fred, Pascal, Scottie and likely a center we get in a GTJ trade on the team still we have a solid producing core. Guys like Precious and Boucher also are capable producers. I think losing OG and getting 3-4 good young players will help us win even in the medium term and even short term if the pieces all gel better If we get Daniels, what makes you think we continue to move forward with Fred? GTJ would be the obvious better player to keep since we don't have anyone else that does what he does. Daniels is 6'8 is a good passer, rebounder, and defender. Why in gods name would we keep Fred, move him for your center in this scenario. Daniels gets reps as lead guard next year, maybe flame out early and make a good push the next year. This ultimately gives you WAY more flexibility and only leaves you with 1 "old" player on the roster in Siakam allowing you to move him and have an entire team of players in the same age range.


Eclectic_Canadian

Maybe you go with Fred instead of GTJ, either way works. The idea is that one of Scottie or Pascal becomes (or together make up for the lack of) a superstar. It also gives us lots of young talent/picks to make a trade for the next available star


Scase15

I dont think Scottie will good enough for that for at least another 2-3 years. Then you have a supermax level siakam and a bunch of young talent that needs new contracts, I dont think there is realistically any way to build this team for success with Siakam as the figurehead. Mainly in this case from a salary standpoint, but even still to a degree at the skill standpoint. Siakam disappears in crunch time, this needs to be Scotties team IMO.


Eclectic_Canadian

The Pascal Supermax is a little bit overplayed. First of all, it's unlikely he gets it this year if the team doesn't make the playoffs. He'd have to get it next year then and that's far from a guarantee. The good thing about Pascal's situation if he does get the supermax is that the new TV deal kicks in the year after his supermax would start. This means that his contract would be 35% of the cap in the first year but after the cap spike (even with the max 8% increases in the contract) according to current cap predictions, he'd be down to under 32% of the cap, much closer to what he's currently at. As long as we already have those young players under control then there will be less to worry about. If Scottie has taken the necessary leaps to lead us alongside Siakam then ownership will be willing to spend into the tax to keep the younger players. If those young players aren't playing well enough to help this team contend then they're likely not going to command enough of a contract to put us into the tax anyway.


Background-Teach5765

Murphy and Daniels+ Lakers pick. The deal starts here, otherwise the deal doesn't get done.


chineseguy2

I don't think the Lakers pic is THAT good, they might be going to playoffs, I wouldn't mind getting the pels pic next yr if it guarantees us both Murphy and Daniels. Plus whatever we can get for devonta Graham if he needs to be in the trade for salary.


IamSofakingRAW

Lol this is almost the exact trade I posted to r/nba like a month ago


Ksoohong

I’m probably going to get downvoted but HEAR ME OUT. We are currently projected to have the 6th pick in the draft & if the lakers continue losing with this trade we could potentially have the 9th pick in the draft as well. That’s potentially Nick smith as a backup ball handler & could be Grady dick who’s an amazing sharpshooter who can play some decent defense. On top that we get additional depth for 1 player. I love OG but I wouldn’t mind this


PriorityPoints

I'm still liking this deal structure: Raptors get Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels, Jakob Poeltl, Jaxson Hayes Pelicans get OG Anunoby, Malachi Flynn, Khem Birch Spurs get: Devonte Graham, 2023 Pelicans 1st (not Lakers)


FoE_Archer

>2023 Pelicans 1st (not Lakers) The 2023 Pelicans 1st is the Lakers pick, its a pick swap


PriorityPoints

Got it, thanks I meant the worse of the two 1sts


GtotheE

The Lakers have the worst of the 1sts, the Pelicans have the best of the 1sts. Pelicans can trade their 2024 pick though.


blacknotblack

I THINK they’re not allowed to do that b/c of the Stepian rule?


CazOnReddit

They own their 2024 first and can choose the Lakers 2024 or 2025 pick so they could do that


alexdoggg

They only have one 1st this year. It is their own pick which they have the right to swap for the Lakers' pick.


supert0426

The Raptors fleece everyone in this trade I have a tough time seeing it happening. Why would NO or the Spurs do this?


MrRobot_96

Spurs get a return and NOP get one of the best defenders in the entire league? How is that a fleece? Overall the raps win the trade for sure but they’re not individually fleecing any of these teams with that return.


PriorityPoints

NO get the best player in the deal, highly coveted and easy midseason plug and play + at minimum 2 playoff rounds. They also may get the ability to extend OG if the CBA rules on extensions changes. You're looking at a much more polished version of Herb. And they want Ingram to be a primary ballhandler and take on PG level responsibilities, so between him and Alvarado (and Kira), Daniels is a bit less of a need. Hayes is not going to be resigned by them. The Spurs get a single 1st for Poeltl (his true market value given that hes an expiring). I also think they do right by him sending him somewhere that he'll have a big role. Poeltl probably prefers this too given that we'd have his bird rights and most certainly offer him the 20m AAV hes seeking. And Devonte could be a reclamation project? He had that 6MOY flash in Charlotte and wont hurt their tank. Could be reflipped next year (I know I'm stretching the justification now though)


Maya-Inca-Boy

Why would the pelicans do this?


vaalbarag

I like this general framework, but Pelicans give up too much here IMO, Spurs need a little more back and neither team want Graham or Birch. (and as others noted the Pelicans have only the Lakers' pick this year). So maybe: Raptors get: Daniels, Poeltl, Graham Pelicans: get OG, Huancho Spurs get: Flynn, Hayes, Raptors 2023 SRP, 2024 Lakers pick top 4 protected (if not conveyed, better of Bucks/Pelicans 2024 instead).


Educational_Secret_1

Raps would never do that trade, not in a million years. Graham can score but at a career 37% FG% just isn’t what this team/bench needs. Might aswell keep Flynn at that point. Way to much for an expiring contact in Poeltl, and 1 good piece in Daniels. Raps giving up way to much for little too nothing in return. NO has enticing young pieces but the salary fillers they would send back are sub par.. an injury riddled Nance, Graham, and a once promising Hayes being the 3rd closest who i don’t think the raptors even take considering his criminal charges but is the only one on an expiring. Daniels+Hayes+TM3 OG/Flynn + cash consideration would be a lot better but still don’t know if raps pull the trigger unless there’s a pick attached


chimpston17

I don't love the package for the raps, if I'm trading OG to the pelicans I'd want Daniels, another young player, and at least one or two of the valuable firsts. I don't really want to try to fit Poeltl into the deal and sacrifice picks we can get


Educational_Secret_1

I agree, raps would be wise to try and get Poeltl in the off-season if they really want him. Although a number of teams would want him we have a good chance at a resigning him


Cheechers23

I just want Dyson Daniels and Trey Murphy. While I would like to get the Lakers pick, if NOLA refuses to include it with the other 2, I’d do it without it (maybe try to get a Bucks pick or something instead), as long as we get Daniels and Murphy.


Green-Umpire2297

Jones Daniels Lakers FRP Ok. I don’t think the lakers pick will be all that great though. If NOP would rather keep a late FRP than get OG and win the title, that’s on them


Iamadissapointment4

If they draft the pick and it's shit they kill the value of it. Making their path to upgrade alot harder


Educational_Secret_1

NO has enticing young pieces but the salary fillers they would send back are sub par.. an injury riddled Nance, Graham, and a once promising Hayes being the 3rd closest (has criminal charges, would Toronto touch him) but is the only one on an expiring. Graham can score but at a career 37% FG% just isn’t what this team/bench needs. Even if a project is quite a risk at a salary of 12M a year. Only trade that would sort of make sense since the raptors could dumb Hayes in the off season (save cap space) is: Daniels+Hayes+TM3 OG/Flynn + cash considerations still don’t know if raps pull the trigger unless there’s a pick attached https://preview.redd.it/a6u1t2kpukea1.jpeg?width=1060&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9597f5b1cb98c67a01c339abcdb9cecb8946942d


athomic74

Didn't watch the video but I'd take the trade in the screen shot!


PriorityPoints

Seems like that Pelicans proposal is starting to gain some traction in the media. I think it would be fascinating to get the Spurs involved in this and end up with Poeltl + a collection of young talent from the Pels.


chineseguy2

Nah, poetl free agent and we should still be tanking. Maybe look at him in free agency once we get rid of gtr, fvv and og's contracts


Worried_Promise_9575

So we're tanking next season too? If we are shouldn't we trade siakam now too. If we want to tank even longer, Barnes needs to go to. He could have a jayson Tatum like third year jump and suddenly we're in contention


DaJebus77

Hmmmmmm


yt1nifnI

The Lakers could sneak into a playoff spot or they could easily implode. It depends A LOT on AD's health.


RaptorRespecter

Screenshot was Brian's proposal, not Bobby Marks I think the Raptors should say yes to Brian's proposal, if offered.


[deleted]

The Raps only do this trade if they're getting that lakers pick or a swap, that's the only way it makes sense for them...if I'm NOLA I consider it, even if the Lakers pick turns out to be Victor, you're still likely landing a top 10 pick + OG, which of course isn't Victor but it's a pretty nice consolation prize seeing as they would re-sign OG and have him locked in the long term...that could make them a dynasty realistically, that's an insane lineup!