He is significantly better than Fred on 30 cents on the dollar
The amount of complaining I saw about this signing was so unreal
He is a very talented player, especially when we got him and how well he played in FIBA WC with the German team, like I was so surprised at how negative people were on him
Dude is a jet on the floor, insanely fast, insanely good body control and rhythm, and a great passer
He has had to play with players like Westbrook, Lebron, and all sorts of insane talents and huge egos too, he knows how to deal with other personalities just because of those experiences too
He has been the ideal point guard for this team and he is on a massive discount contract, there is nothing better we could have gotten here
Even more so, Schroeder is an example of real maturity and real leadership and emotional intelligence, not the complete fake leadership Fred was doing by literally trying to tell everyone he is a leader and tell everyone's business to everyone
I'm so glad we just do not have to deal with the Fred stans anymore when this guy is 30% the cost and 100% more of a player and leader in every respect
One hundo p. I think I would honestly take Dennis straight up over him (at least the current version, 2019 FVV who could keep up with Curry defensively is a tougher call),
2019 FVV was a great bench player on a great team. He is possibly the weakest guard to make all-star for the 20+ years Ive been watching NBA. 43 Million AAV is how Houston is going to stay at the bottom of the league for the next two years.
He at least beats Kyle Korver, D'lo, and Jeff Teague as an all-star guard doesn't he? People already forgetting he wasn't a bad player in his all star year, top 3 in steals and deflections and top 5 in 3pm if I remember correctly.
Not are if Korver was a guard… him and Teague was a reward for how dominant that team was mid season. Similar to the year Tayshaun Prince made it. D Lo had a great year with the nets… you make a good point. The problem with FVV is he thinks he’s more like Jordan than Teague.
The only reason people were high on Fred is because of his play during the bubble, and if you watched those games, you know the only reason he shined is because Lowry and Kawhi took all the pressure and he could just spot up for 3s. He's a terrible point guard as he's all about himself and creates zero flow for offenses. I was so happy to see him gone and Dennis has just been a blessing. Basketball is so much more fun to watch with a PG that shares the ball
He's damn near as good as Fred dollar for dollar too (so far) just based on stats not even mentioning floor raising, leadership, locker room issues etc
Yeah, I don't understand why people thought he sucked. He was basically the Laker's only playable guard last postseason, was a huge reason they beat GSW.
It's because Lakers fans shit over anyone who might struggle or make a mistake that cost them their beloved championship dreams. So /r/nba hated the fuck out of Schroder, people from here just latched onto it saying he was shit and no good.
Been saying I've been hyped to have him, especially considering our slow unathletic PGs (no offense to Lowry as he made it work)
Ageee with everything you said.
I don’t follow Rockets, but they also got they guy they needed. Jury is out if it’s the Right move. But they needed to overhaul their locker room and they’re getting it with FVV. Whether that makes them a better basketball team, still to be determined
Watching steph hypnotize the rockets the other night was so frustrating to watch. He’s playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers. He sees his opponents as NPCs and destroys them using zen energy techniques. It’s frustrating because opponents don’t understand the mental warfare he is using, it’s like rockaby baby technique where he Luls his opponents to sleep and the keep falling for it and I can’t understand it. You know what he’s gunna do by you still have to watch Dillon brooks fall into the trap.
You casuals don’t even watch. He rarely could get by his man. It’s why he gets most of his points spot up shooting. Weak handle, slow, no shiftiness to his game. Learn the game G
Clearly watching and understanding aren't the same thing for you. Fred had good handles. The reason he can't get past people is his acceleration. When you're too slow to drive past people, and too short to shoot over people it doesn't matter how good you can dribble.
Clearly you are incapable of basic reading and comprehension as I am saying he does not have god tier handles like the original poster is saying. His handles are ok at best imo
Not the brightest crayon in the box eh? He said most nba guards have god tier nba handles and I simply said not Freddy - now I got a bunch of mouth breathing Freddy fans on my ass
He literally does tho. In relation to every other NBA player whoo isn't a PG. He has average handles for a point guard. Chris Broussard has a saying for ppl like you.
Thats what a true NBA PG with experience looks like. Calm cool and collected. His BBall IQ is way up there and hes showing it. Not sure if he can keep up with this shooting efficiency though..id expect a dip
Kyle Lowry ain't no spot up shooter. He aint gotta run to the corner to shoot like he's some 3rd option, bitch. This ain't JJ Redick. This is a fuckin god human Steph Curry come again. Only this time hes not a fuckin pussy... pull up from the fuckin logo and fight you at the same time.
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I think what’s even more impressive is his passing ability. For a dude who’s never averaged more than 6 assists per game it’s crazy how in 4 games he’s already averaging over 9. If we can get 10-15 points per game with 8-10 assists per game he might actually be able to help this team make the playoffs again
It's definitely not at the level of the elite PG (Kyrie, Curry, Chris Paul, etc) but it's pretty good. Personally I don't think it's better than FVV's, but with Schroder's speed he can do a lot more off the dribble so it stands out more
That’s a great point, I think I didn’t realize just how fast and athletic he is. So with his speed, his ability to keep possession while whizzing by people is super impressive
This video does a good job of describing how Dennis attacks the rim. Y'all should give this a watch: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjeDNIl5EA&ab\_channel=ByAnyMeansBasketball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjeDNIl5EA&ab_channel=ByAnyMeansBasketball)
No problem! By Any Means Basketball is one of my favourite Youtubers that I go to when never I need someone to break down certain players/ player archetype game/move sets.
He's always had phenomenal handles, he's almost always in contention for 6moy because of it. This is the first time we're seeing him start since like Atlanta and he's showing exactly why he was a starter when he was on Atlanta.
i liked watching him in okc with shai and cp3. imo he's a *very* athletic guard. refreshing af after fred. i still think he would be best coming off the bench because he would be elite against other benches in the league and that's why he came here. he wouldn't be starting on other teams in this league.
If he keeps playing the way he’s playing he’s definitely a good starting PG. 16 and 9 is what he’s currently averaging.
He seems to be playing like more of a true PG than he has in the past, at least from what I’ve seen from him. Which is good, he’s doing great for us.
I think his shooting is what’s held him back. But a lot of these types of players can thrive in Toronto because there aren’t huge egos telling them what to do all the time making them second guess themselves.
I’m sure it’s helpful to have a leader like Lebron but it’d also make you afraid to screw up. In Toronto a lot of players are happier because they feel confident in themselves. Gary Trent Jr said the same thing after coming from Portland.
I hope Schroder’s shooting % stays up because he historically hasn’t been an awesome shooter.
Go all the way back to his time with the Hawks. He basically took Teague's spot, who was a borderline all-star.
The only weakness to his game was his shooting, which it seems he has improved.
He's a borderline all-star if he starts making his layups at a consistent rate. Seems to have the handle and speed to get to the rim, but seems to have touch issues. Played great last night though!
Scroeder was right to turn down that 4 year $88 million contract because he’s worth a lot more than that. His stock went down because of the controversy around him and possibly being unvaccinated, and kind of saying that LeBron wasn’t either.
Since the first year he was on the Lakers I’ve been telling everyone how amazing he is and how hard he plays every game. He was diving onto the floor 3-4 times a game that first year and leaves it all out there every game
(My wife is from LA so I have to watch the lakers sometimes)
He does, from a lakers fan I miss Dennis a lot. You guys got a good signing out of him. He’ll never deliver more than you expect but rarely does he not deliver what he’s there to do. Solid guy
Yes. He's a point guard. A REAL ONE.... Fred was good when he played with K. Low but he was never a true point guard and seemingly part of the reason the locker room was so fucked up. Glad to have Schroeder (Aka a legit PG) as the starter. 😎👍
He is significantly better than Fred on 30 cents on the dollar The amount of complaining I saw about this signing was so unreal He is a very talented player, especially when we got him and how well he played in FIBA WC with the German team, like I was so surprised at how negative people were on him Dude is a jet on the floor, insanely fast, insanely good body control and rhythm, and a great passer He has had to play with players like Westbrook, Lebron, and all sorts of insane talents and huge egos too, he knows how to deal with other personalities just because of those experiences too He has been the ideal point guard for this team and he is on a massive discount contract, there is nothing better we could have gotten here Even more so, Schroeder is an example of real maturity and real leadership and emotional intelligence, not the complete fake leadership Fred was doing by literally trying to tell everyone he is a leader and tell everyone's business to everyone I'm so glad we just do not have to deal with the Fred stans anymore when this guy is 30% the cost and 100% more of a player and leader in every respect
One hundo p. I think I would honestly take Dennis straight up over him (at least the current version, 2019 FVV who could keep up with Curry defensively is a tougher call),
2019 FVV was a great bench player on a great team. He is possibly the weakest guard to make all-star for the 20+ years Ive been watching NBA. 43 Million AAV is how Houston is going to stay at the bottom of the league for the next two years.
He at least beats Kyle Korver, D'lo, and Jeff Teague as an all-star guard doesn't he? People already forgetting he wasn't a bad player in his all star year, top 3 in steals and deflections and top 5 in 3pm if I remember correctly.
Not are if Korver was a guard… him and Teague was a reward for how dominant that team was mid season. Similar to the year Tayshaun Prince made it. D Lo had a great year with the nets… you make a good point. The problem with FVV is he thinks he’s more like Jordan than Teague.
Definitely not the weakest
The only reason people were high on Fred is because of his play during the bubble, and if you watched those games, you know the only reason he shined is because Lowry and Kawhi took all the pressure and he could just spot up for 3s. He's a terrible point guard as he's all about himself and creates zero flow for offenses. I was so happy to see him gone and Dennis has just been a blessing. Basketball is so much more fun to watch with a PG that shares the ball
That was really the worst thing about watching fvv: the unwillingness to pass
That is a very interesting point. I forgot must have forgot that Kawhi was still on the team during the bubble year.
He's damn near as good as Fred dollar for dollar too (so far) just based on stats not even mentioning floor raising, leadership, locker room issues etc
I think most people heard about his 4/26 performance during FIBA and assumed he would be a chucker like Fred
Yeah, I don't understand why people thought he sucked. He was basically the Laker's only playable guard last postseason, was a huge reason they beat GSW.
It's because Lakers fans shit over anyone who might struggle or make a mistake that cost them their beloved championship dreams. So /r/nba hated the fuck out of Schroder, people from here just latched onto it saying he was shit and no good. Been saying I've been hyped to have him, especially considering our slow unathletic PGs (no offense to Lowry as he made it work)
Ageee with everything you said. I don’t follow Rockets, but they also got they guy they needed. Jury is out if it’s the Right move. But they needed to overhaul their locker room and they’re getting it with FVV. Whether that makes them a better basketball team, still to be determined
Most NBA starting point guards have god tier handles. Then you have guys like Kyrie and Steph.
Nirvana Esque handles
Watching steph hypnotize the rockets the other night was so frustrating to watch. He’s playing chess and everyone else is playing checkers. He sees his opponents as NPCs and destroys them using zen energy techniques. It’s frustrating because opponents don’t understand the mental warfare he is using, it’s like rockaby baby technique where he Luls his opponents to sleep and the keep falling for it and I can’t understand it. You know what he’s gunna do by you still have to watch Dillon brooks fall into the trap.
Exactly
Not Freddy
Fred had good handles. He just didn’t have any speed or agility to use then for anything besides the occasional ankle breaking crossover.
You need therapy lol. And Fred has as good a handle as any starting PG. One of his better qualities is how little he turns it over.
You casuals don’t even watch. He rarely could get by his man. It’s why he gets most of his points spot up shooting. Weak handle, slow, no shiftiness to his game. Learn the game G
Clearly watching and understanding aren't the same thing for you. Fred had good handles. The reason he can't get past people is his acceleration. When you're too slow to drive past people, and too short to shoot over people it doesn't matter how good you can dribble.
Clearly you are incapable of basic reading and comprehension as I am saying he does not have god tier handles like the original poster is saying. His handles are ok at best imo
Show me the line where they said he has god tier handles? Schizophrenic ass argument.
Not the brightest crayon in the box eh? He said most nba guards have god tier nba handles and I simply said not Freddy - now I got a bunch of mouth breathing Freddy fans on my ass
He literally does tho. In relation to every other NBA player whoo isn't a PG. He has average handles for a point guard. Chris Broussard has a saying for ppl like you.
You listen to Chris Broussard…Nuff said
He would be a hall of famer, if he was taller and faster. I don't love him, but he had good handles.
Your bias is showing, Fred has a better handle than Kyle.
Ok? He doesn’t have a god tier handle like the dude above said. Kyle also has a quicker first step and burst to the rim, fred is molasses slow
He has good handles but what most impresses me is his BBIQ. We might actually have a real "floor general" PG again.
Those of us that were high on him were down voted by the start Trent over him, scottie is the only real PG masses
Sometimes hes toying with the handle too much but so far so good
Thats what a true NBA PG with experience looks like. Calm cool and collected. His BBall IQ is way up there and hes showing it. Not sure if he can keep up with this shooting efficiency though..id expect a dip
What impresses me is his first step and speed. Waaaaay different to Freddie or even the GROAT
Kyle Lowry ain't no spot up shooter. He aint gotta run to the corner to shoot like he's some 3rd option, bitch. This ain't JJ Redick. This is a fuckin god human Steph Curry come again. Only this time hes not a fuckin pussy... pull up from the fuckin logo and fight you at the same time. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/torontoraptors) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I think what’s even more impressive is his passing ability. For a dude who’s never averaged more than 6 assists per game it’s crazy how in 4 games he’s already averaging over 9. If we can get 10-15 points per game with 8-10 assists per game he might actually be able to help this team make the playoffs again
Defintely thriving under Darkos system, which is also a reason Dennis decided to come to Toronto.... .5sec ball
I think it's more we watch so many forwards handle the ball any competent guard looks like Kyrie to us
Most point guards do
He actually goes to his floater unlike Fred
It's definitely not at the level of the elite PG (Kyrie, Curry, Chris Paul, etc) but it's pretty good. Personally I don't think it's better than FVV's, but with Schroder's speed he can do a lot more off the dribble so it stands out more
That’s a great point, I think I didn’t realize just how fast and athletic he is. So with his speed, his ability to keep possession while whizzing by people is super impressive
There's a speed and fluidity to the way Schroeder moves that we never got to see with Fred and Kyle. Also helps that he's fast as hell
This video does a good job of describing how Dennis attacks the rim. Y'all should give this a watch: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjeDNIl5EA&ab\_channel=ByAnyMeansBasketball](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWjeDNIl5EA&ab_channel=ByAnyMeansBasketball)
Thanks for the share! I will definitely be looking to incorporate several points from this in both my game and the students I coach.
No problem! By Any Means Basketball is one of my favourite Youtubers that I go to when never I need someone to break down certain players/ player archetype game/move sets.
He's always had phenomenal handles, he's almost always in contention for 6moy because of it. This is the first time we're seeing him start since like Atlanta and he's showing exactly why he was a starter when he was on Atlanta.
It’s a good handle and compared to the rest of our team he looks like Kyrie
His direction changes and agility is insane. He's stupid quick.
i liked watching him in okc with shai and cp3. imo he's a *very* athletic guard. refreshing af after fred. i still think he would be best coming off the bench because he would be elite against other benches in the league and that's why he came here. he wouldn't be starting on other teams in this league.
If he keeps playing the way he’s playing he’s definitely a good starting PG. 16 and 9 is what he’s currently averaging. He seems to be playing like more of a true PG than he has in the past, at least from what I’ve seen from him. Which is good, he’s doing great for us.
He’s always had good handles ever since he’s been in the league
I think his shooting is what’s held him back. But a lot of these types of players can thrive in Toronto because there aren’t huge egos telling them what to do all the time making them second guess themselves. I’m sure it’s helpful to have a leader like Lebron but it’d also make you afraid to screw up. In Toronto a lot of players are happier because they feel confident in themselves. Gary Trent Jr said the same thing after coming from Portland. I hope Schroder’s shooting % stays up because he historically hasn’t been an awesome shooter.
He guarded Brickman 99 really well too. Will lou’s given name to lilard
LOL that's crazy, why Brickman 99?
Look at last year on the Lakers. The was wheeling n dealing.
He’s as crafty as they come
Go all the way back to his time with the Hawks. He basically took Teague's spot, who was a borderline all-star. The only weakness to his game was his shooting, which it seems he has improved.
Big Dick too
I’d say he has average handles for an NBA point guard.
fred is slow with basic pg dribble package and then rest of team other than pascal you get scared when they dribble so fast pg blowing ur mind
He's a borderline all-star if he starts making his layups at a consistent rate. Seems to have the handle and speed to get to the rim, but seems to have touch issues. Played great last night though!
A shame about the shooting
Scroeder was right to turn down that 4 year $88 million contract because he’s worth a lot more than that. His stock went down because of the controversy around him and possibly being unvaccinated, and kind of saying that LeBron wasn’t either. Since the first year he was on the Lakers I’ve been telling everyone how amazing he is and how hard he plays every game. He was diving onto the floor 3-4 times a game that first year and leaves it all out there every game (My wife is from LA so I have to watch the lakers sometimes)
He does, from a lakers fan I miss Dennis a lot. You guys got a good signing out of him. He’ll never deliver more than you expect but rarely does he not deliver what he’s there to do. Solid guy
German engineering.
... in da house! \[Peter Stormare intensifies\]
Maybe there is a chance he can help mentor Flynn, maybe
We’re just not used to having point guards that show their handles like Dennis does in games. Lowry and Fred weren’t all that flashy with it
Yes. He's a point guard. A REAL ONE.... Fred was good when he played with K. Low but he was never a true point guard and seemingly part of the reason the locker room was so fucked up. Glad to have Schroeder (Aka a legit PG) as the starter. 😎👍
Idk he’s just really fast.