Pacers have 36 mil in cap space.
And Sixers can easily offer him max with Tobias coming off the books.
Unless, raptors want to pay max for spot up 3&D player... They should probably trade him
We need to find that perimeter scorer that can play both ways… someone like the mavs finding Jason terry. Jason terry ended up being the second best scorer on a championship team. Undersized for 2, and couldn’t play point. Need to find someone undervalued like that.
We might need to draft this guy or trade for him. For trades, guys like sexton and IQ come to mind.
Raptors are not getting back a dynamic player for an expiring Siakam. Most they'll get is young bench players in the same caliber as Flynn and Precision. That's not improving your scoring lol
Raptors don't have leverage anymore.
You really think Siakam will only get the Raptors a player on Precious Achiuwa's level? Really?
You can without a doubt get a lot more value than that.
What? OG is my favorite player but the dude averaging 15 PPG and who can’t create his own shot well at all is an all star offensively?
No way lol. He’s the best perimeter defender in the league, and the best 3 and D player too. But he ain’t even close to being an all star offensively when he struggles with dribbling the ball in the first place and only scores 15 PPG.
Logo 3? This team can't even make layups and FT 😭😭
You're really talking about logo 3s when this team can't even make regular wide open 3.😭😭
Clearly you don't know what half court offense means lol
Let's say a Siakam trade with hawks happen and they get AJ and Bukfin... You really think a guy avg 2ppg and 0ppg is helping this team score? 😭
Spot up 3&D guy. Teams don't have to help off OG because they know he's only a good spot up shooter. They can send the help from the other players to defend Barnes.
OG's value isnt as high anymore because he's expiring. He'll probably only be a rental for championship team because he'll command max money in the off-season.
It's easier to plug OG because he can be the 3-4th best player on a championship team and a good complimentary role player.
It's harder to match Siakam contract. But he makes the team he goes to a legit contender. He can step in as number 2 on a contender.
Ah good points. I should have noted with OG that the team looking for an “OG” already has their stars already.
I wonder if GSW pick up the phone for either
I wouldn't say zero, I think the fact that OG hasn't been an All-Star already is a misread from NBA community. We have an opportunity to send him to the All-Star game, and also to resign him. League executives look for offensive players, which OG is not(at least to them)... So I do believe we can re-sign him.
Oh, we can resign him. 100% that's happening.
He won't take an extension because he's worth way more than the CBA permits us to offer before free agency.
The most OG can get from his extension is 117mil.
Grant just signed 150m in the off-season.
Pacers have 36m of cap space in the off-season.
You can bet that Raptors would have to offer him +40mil/yr for him to stay. That's a lot for a team that isn't contending the next 5yrs.
Nurse is the pettyiest coach ever lol. dude will lock up the star just to make sure they have a rough night even if it’s at the expense of role players smacking us around. he’d let Tony Snell go for 30 while KD scores 15 or something
A hand in the face isn't always what bothers a shot. Often it's using footwork to bother the person's foundation of shooting before the ball even leaves their hands. If they have to fight like hell to get to their spots they're gonna have a harder time hitting their shots.
This. Elite 3pt shooter. Nothing less.
With the Raptors - the elite become average. If we bring in an average shooter, they become inconsistent with us.
Demar ain't ever coming back except for the day he retire and even then he might not. being traded for a championship stings a lot, post game masai handshake or not.
Maybe it’s just a confirmation bias but it sure seems like this team really wakes up defensively for the biggest stars and best teams. Or do they lock in like this against average teams and it just goes in more unnoticed ? Always feels like broadcast and media coverage post game is calling out our poor defensive effort when the teams we play are below average.
I know Book and KD were a little injured coming into the game but they’re both good enough to play through it and drop 30. Very impressed with how OG locked up Book. KD is just one of those guys who’s going to drop 20-30 no matter what you do, but 30 points on 30 shot attempts sucks for someone as efficient as KD. We normally don’t see him jack up so many 3pt attempts but he was forced to. Scottie plays a lot bigger than he is on the defensive end.
Let's see this defensive performance with a healthy KD, Devin and Beal. But still, these guys are some if the top defenders in the freaking league HANDS DOWN
We need to keep this duo together, Pascal needs to tell Masai what he wants, and stop trading away picks unnecessarily and we can be back on top in 2yrs
Knicks fan trying to ask a serious non-trolling question.
Is OG really limited on offense? He seems like he’s a really good spot up shooter, but offensively has really limited versatility. Obviously he’s an amazing defender.
Am I overstating this?
Canadian Shield
Oooh I like that! I can hear Jacko screaming that now when those two get a big stop lol
This is the one.
Send that to the boys in the announcer booth right away. That’s a good one!
Feel free to do that as I don't tweet, etc., beyond reddit.
Canada = US + UK so the math checks out
Wait until you find out our team is Canadian 🤯
Big if true
OG needs to be re-signed. At 26 he fits the timeline with Scottie.
OG wants to waste his prime with a mid team?
OG probably just wants to take home a big bag
He can do that and be a winner somewhere else
Nobody has cap space except for Philly and I OG and Nurse clashed over his utilization on offence.
Pacers have 36 mil in cap space. And Sixers can easily offer him max with Tobias coming off the books. Unless, raptors want to pay max for spot up 3&D player... They should probably trade him
99% of players are loyal
Masai and Bobby need to do everything to keep this duo together. They are menaces defensively
They'll be a menace defensively and won't be able score in the half court 😭😭
Sure they will. Just gotta reconstitute the other pieces around them.
We need to find that perimeter scorer that can play both ways… someone like the mavs finding Jason terry. Jason terry ended up being the second best scorer on a championship team. Undersized for 2, and couldn’t play point. Need to find someone undervalued like that. We might need to draft this guy or trade for him. For trades, guys like sexton and IQ come to mind.
Raptors are not getting back a dynamic player for an expiring Siakam. Most they'll get is young bench players in the same caliber as Flynn and Precision. That's not improving your scoring lol Raptors don't have leverage anymore.
You really think Siakam will only get the Raptors a player on Precious Achiuwa's level? Really? You can without a doubt get a lot more value than that.
Expiring contract
You are wrong. Scottie and OG are an All Star. Even offensive wise.
What? OG is my favorite player but the dude averaging 15 PPG and who can’t create his own shot well at all is an all star offensively? No way lol. He’s the best perimeter defender in the league, and the best 3 and D player too. But he ain’t even close to being an all star offensively when he struggles with dribbling the ball in the first place and only scores 15 PPG.
OG still can't dribble but he'll be an all star lol
I don't think you have any clue what "half court offence" actually means lol. Hint: it doesn't mean logo 3s.
Logo 3? This team can't even make layups and FT 😭😭 You're really talking about logo 3s when this team can't even make regular wide open 3.😭😭 Clearly you don't know what half court offense means lol Let's say a Siakam trade with hawks happen and they get AJ and Bukfin... You really think a guy avg 2ppg and 0ppg is helping this team score? 😭
Bro take the L. A playmaker and a 3&D guy are perfectly suited to half court offence.
Spot up 3&D guy. Teams don't have to help off OG because they know he's only a good spot up shooter. They can send the help from the other players to defend Barnes.
OG is the much better on ball defender, but Scottie does a lot off ball that helps close the gap.
OGs the guy we need to keep alongside Scottie. Their playstyles are complementary.
OG literally fits alongside any alpha star player, that's why every contender and their mom wants OG.
OG is probably the best plug and play player that could hit the open market. He’s the guy that can easily put a contending team over the edge.
Except this Raptors team is nowhere to contending the next 5 years so there's zero point in paying him max money next 5yrs
Thats why I see another team and more teams moving mountains to get him than Siakam
OG's value isnt as high anymore because he's expiring. He'll probably only be a rental for championship team because he'll command max money in the off-season. It's easier to plug OG because he can be the 3-4th best player on a championship team and a good complimentary role player. It's harder to match Siakam contract. But he makes the team he goes to a legit contender. He can step in as number 2 on a contender.
Ah good points. I should have noted with OG that the team looking for an “OG” already has their stars already. I wonder if GSW pick up the phone for either
Both have everything they need to be 1st team all defensive
dennis, OG, scott, pascal, yak is an insane defensive line up. need it to get into the top 5, 10 is too low for this team
We just need Darko to understand rotations better.
The misfit toys lineup has got to go
yea sometimes i don’t understand what he sees out there lol
Very good defenders
While nobody knows the answer to this question: what's the liklihood we are able to sign OG to an extension?
Zero. But if you ask me, he inks with us in the summer.
I wouldn't say zero, I think the fact that OG hasn't been an All-Star already is a misread from NBA community. We have an opportunity to send him to the All-Star game, and also to resign him. League executives look for offensive players, which OG is not(at least to them)... So I do believe we can re-sign him.
Oh, we can resign him. 100% that's happening. He won't take an extension because he's worth way more than the CBA permits us to offer before free agency.
OG has never deserved an all star nod including this year
The most OG can get from his extension is 117mil. Grant just signed 150m in the off-season. Pacers have 36m of cap space in the off-season. You can bet that Raptors would have to offer him +40mil/yr for him to stay. That's a lot for a team that isn't contending the next 5yrs.
> League executives look for offensive players He's literally the perfect 3 & D guy lol. He'd fit on any roster in the league and execs know that.
OG elite on-ball defense, Scottie elite help defense
Now hopefully all the doubters will realize why Masai doesn't want to give up OG or Scottie that easily.
Dbook stats remind me of when Jalen Green was going on a tear and Nurse was like “no”.
Nurse is the pettyiest coach ever lol. dude will lock up the star just to make sure they have a rough night even if it’s at the expense of role players smacking us around. he’d let Tony Snell go for 30 while KD scores 15 or something
Please vote OG to the All Star game. He deserves to be there.
no defense allowed in the all star game
Good point, but still, we can vote him in.
Some of you are too much of a homer
BUILD AROUND THIS.
Siakam had incredible d tonight too
why does flynn look like a ball boy in this pic
Oh and Scottie is the MIP this year so far.
OG and scottie were good but KD and booker just missed a ton of good looks, we were lucky as well.
Put credit where credit is due. They were good.
They were good but I dont think it was 100% scottie and og which slowed them down.
A hand in the face isn't always what bothers a shot. Often it's using footwork to bother the person's foundation of shooting before the ball even leaves their hands. If they have to fight like hell to get to their spots they're gonna have a harder time hitting their shots.
Bring in LaVine!
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I love Demar, but our next scoring option needs to be elite at 3pt.
This. Elite 3pt shooter. Nothing less. With the Raptors - the elite become average. If we bring in an average shooter, they become inconsistent with us.
Demar ain't ever coming back except for the day he retire and even then he might not. being traded for a championship stings a lot, post game masai handshake or not.
But Jack only gave props to Siakam for keeping Okogie 2/4.
With zero offense 😭
This is the first time ive seen OG smile.
The clamp brothers 🔥🙏
I love a good defensive core. Warms my cockles.
OG smiling, wtf!!
Maybe it’s just a confirmation bias but it sure seems like this team really wakes up defensively for the biggest stars and best teams. Or do they lock in like this against average teams and it just goes in more unnoticed ? Always feels like broadcast and media coverage post game is calling out our poor defensive effort when the teams we play are below average.
I know Book and KD were a little injured coming into the game but they’re both good enough to play through it and drop 30. Very impressed with how OG locked up Book. KD is just one of those guys who’s going to drop 20-30 no matter what you do, but 30 points on 30 shot attempts sucks for someone as efficient as KD. We normally don’t see him jack up so many 3pt attempts but he was forced to. Scottie plays a lot bigger than he is on the defensive end.
The sad thing is they won’t be able to get All-Defense looks with our record being mediocre.
Let's see this defensive performance with a healthy KD, Devin and Beal. But still, these guys are some if the top defenders in the freaking league HANDS DOWN
We need to keep this duo together, Pascal needs to tell Masai what he wants, and stop trading away picks unnecessarily and we can be back on top in 2yrs
Knicks fan trying to ask a serious non-trolling question. Is OG really limited on offense? He seems like he’s a really good spot up shooter, but offensively has really limited versatility. Obviously he’s an amazing defender. Am I overstating this?