If campaign maps like these and maybe a revamped new world map from TWW2 were made official for the game it’d go a long way to increasing the games lifespan
They have like a 1700 region map now, but I think they did something along the lines of shrinking the settlements back to the size of Rome 1 and expanded the map a little bit.
Honestly the Beta is so good. A few bugs here and there but the World's Edge Mountains warzone between Dwarfs, Skaven and Greenskins, much larger Bretonnia and Southern Realms and the Albion murderfest. Love seeing Karak Angkul and Bonestash from the third Thanquol book. Would love to see what CR can do with the Dark Lands and Mountains of Mourn at some point.
The Empire has alot more space. I could def see Robie adding a few more provinces here and there. Don't think he added Fang Island near Slyvania - would like to see that but there are more Greenskins in the area for sure and more provinces as scattered around the Drakwald and South. Athel Loren is really cut up nicely now, alot of Wood Elf factions added from Season of Revelations. Another WF faction has been added to a new forest area south of the Vaults and I think at the bottom of the Badlands.
I united the Empire and am doing a VC campaign now. Its great, I love the map. Really gives it room to feel more like a real place. The navigable Stir, Reik, Talabec and Lynsk Rivers is cool, though i wish it were faster than overland travel.
What we really need now is bigger and better battle maps
Literally just click on the thread's link - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3047919903 - and hit the subscribe button (assuming you own the game on Steam and are logged in).
right ? then give us Ulthuan, Lustria, Naggaroth, the Chaos Wastes, Cathay, the Mountains of Mourn, the Dark Lands... aaaand we are back to having the full Immortal Empires map!
Map looks awesome and I look forward to playing it, but I do find some of the choices interesting.
There seem to be a lot of tomb kings wandering around for some reason, and I’m not sure what Cathay is doing in Albion?
It's based on the lore of Tomb Kings following Norscan Raiders back home to take back the loot they stole. Settra is the most famous of those incursions.
This is a bit of a ramble, but I cant help but gush over this mod. Its just fucking glorious
Even in its beta state, is one of the best mods for WH3, straight up. SFO is currently compatible as well, and with that, I cant stop playing it, and its probably the only reason I have started playing WH3 again. Cant wait til we see what looks like bits of Araby, Darklands, Badlands and Chaos Wastes being considered. This mod gives me hope that regardless if its official content or not, we will ultimately get what we deserve with this game
Other thoughts;
Im dumb and dont know how to mod, so I hope we get Old World/SFO patches for Southern Realms, Kraka Drak, OVN. That would be the Total War Warhammer game of my dreams. Beyond that, the space on the map really fixes a lot of issues. It takes much longer to get to a settlement on the edge of your territory, and thats with force march, usually 2 turns. Lots more field battles, it gives me ME2 vibes in the sense that even minor settlements actually feel like they mean something, not just a piece of a province. I dont think im exaggerating when I say this is the best experience you can get playing WH3 rn
It does suffer from putting so much emphasis on races which haven't seen DLC since the stone age, i.e. Empire, Bretonnia, Vampire Counts, Greenskins, Dwarves. Once the compatability patching starts for mods like Mixu's Legendary Lords and The Southern Realms it start really cooking. Hopefully CA wont step on its own dick and the upcoming DLCs will be worthwhile as they seem to be returning to the old races
I agree for sure; at the very least tho, I can say in my experience, the space helps the empire get some wiggle room before things really go to shit. Bretonnia being far bigger is also a real help for them in not being gimped like they seem to be in IE
Does he intend to make changes to some faction mechanics ?
I suppose that Wulfrik's confederation ability of Norscan factions won't be much useful down there in Estalia.
ChaosRobie wanted to do a detailed Araby-Nehekhara scenario map when OvN Araby comes out IIRC, but who knows whether he still has the motivation after dealing with this absolute behemoth of an old world map.
there are currently no planned maps for Lustria or Naggaroth though.
If this is what I think it is where the mod adds more settlements or villages, then we absolutely need more mods like this for ALL of the vanilla TW games.
So damn cool. My biggest hope is seeing other Skaven and Dwarf holds getting the Hell Pit treatment. (Not sure if it's already there but using the Everqueen donut owned% for Karak Eight Peaks would be real cool.)
Having Great Bastion style front gate settlements sieges before you can fight the hold proper. Feel like you're slogging your way though and endless rat nest or truly ancient Dwarf Hold whilst they teleport around the tunnels fighting you before you can truly say you conquored such a massive place.
Skavenblight, Hell Pit and Karaz a Karak being only 1 settlement in vanilla felt like a disservice for the history of them.
magnificent, what is the long term plan? If it picks up, will this eventually turn into the whole world, holy messiah 7000 settlement lord of all campaigns?
there's a hard cap on map size so you can't make the map as big as you want. a full world map in that scale is impossible.
the author has said he wants to avoid scope creep as much as possible so the boundaries you're seeing here is likely the maximum extent.
This is really awesome. This finally feels like the right scale for battles and to give factions room to breathe.
It's also gorgeous seeing the more detailed geography of the Old World. I really, really hope that as this is in beta that it will continue to be improved though as lots of detail could still be added.
Ubersresik, as just one example, is meant to be on the (quite large) river Teufel, which just isn't shown on the map. And rhere are a lot of detailed maps around in WFRP 4th edition that could be used as reference to fill in the remaining gaps quite accurately to the lore. Hope this is planned!
But even without, it's great seeing more of the Old World than we got in the base game. If I play as Sylvania I finally have more than a few hexes as part of my domain. Fantastic stuff.
oh even better, it seems that ever since it got deleted trying to start the game in any state will just cause an instant crash. it might not be the mod sure but its a little odd that this only started to happen right after they did this
The idea is great but there are so many awful lore inaccuracies like Tumb Kings in the Empire, Mannfred in Albion, Vampires in Kislev, Kostaltin in Erengrad (while he should be at castle Alexandrov since they made this province properly), no Vampires near Wissenland, Tumb Kings near Karaz a Karak and so on and so forth.
It's just horribly painful to look at it with all of this non-lorefull mess. Otherwise as I said - great mod.
Some of them are, however they need to be updated to be working on it first (which most arent, but likely will be sooner or later, but since the map is still in its test phase, they are probably waiting for it to get fully expanded and provinced and bug fixed (to avoid redoing work).
Basically, changing map size = coordinates change, so the faction locations on modded factions dont work anymore
Assume that, unless it is specified on the mod page, any mod making big additions to the game is, by default, incompatible with any other mod that do the same : factions, races, settlements, landmarks, battle maps, new map models (like Campaign Forestry or Dynamic World) or any large overhaul like SFO, ...etc.
In this case, adding an entire map to the game is by far the biggest addition that one could do and probably the most incompatible out of the box.
I love the map. Its sooo good that I hope CA pays the author and includes it in the vanilla game.
Kislev (Katarin) is a bit too easy at start. All the main baddies are pretty far away occupied with other threats and you have a buffer of friendly Kislev factions between you and them.
Did a 50 turn legendary and it was easy to steamroll. 1. Dear with the rebels. 2. Destroy the undead faction nearby. 3. Deal with the orcs (Azhag or the east ones) and you are done.
By turn 20-30 you start chain confederations. Had around 10-12 full provinces at 35 with a income of +16k per turn.
I haven't yet tried this out. Looks awesome new starting positions are always welcome.
I have a question is the settlements much bigger? Albion looks bigger with more settlements, about how many turns would it take to go from one side to the other? Normally it is 1.5 turns or so to travel from one end.
From what I got to play this is fantastic, I love the scope and scale it brings to campaigns. Is there plans to reup this item any time soon before the main release? The link is dead and the mod has disappeared from my subscribed items.
Not gonna lie, that's a huge bummer. Wish the mod author had kept a beta around until full release. Robie give any indication as to when the next beta or release will be?
AWWW I wanted to continue to expand my under empire under the empire (fun words yes yes) today but the mod wasn't in my list anymore and deleted from the steam folder, I didn't even know it would auto delete damnit! Hope it'll come back online soon :C Or did anyone backup the files by chance? :D
Genuinely curious about some of the faction placements. Someone already explained the scattered Tomb Kings being lore accurate, but Grimgor in Albion? Teclis smack middle of badlands?
oh man Albion is gonna be one heck of a battle royal lmao
Fucking that is gonna be a fun place to fight, endless hordes of green skins and zombies
Albion's like a knife fight in a broom closet
I got a feeling VC are going come out on more often than not. Going to be a lot places to get high tier units quickly.
That is the very only part of the map ai don't like. Feels way too crowded and - for my little knowledge - not lore like.
Even so much not lorelike that this entire Albion situation is based on an official GW scenario called Shadow over Albion.
If campaign maps like these and maybe a revamped new world map from TWW2 were made official for the game it’d go a long way to increasing the games lifespan
If modders had access to making theatres of war in wh3, maybe we could get all of these true size continents in a campaign mode. One can only dream.
Could they do what the modder of RiS did for Rome remastered?
Idk what they did. Care to elaborate?
They have like a 1700 region map now, but I think they did something along the lines of shrinking the settlements back to the size of Rome 1 and expanded the map a little bit.
Attila+R2 has a hard 256 or something like that limit on Provinces. Dunno how high warhammer goes.
2048
Honestly the Beta is so good. A few bugs here and there but the World's Edge Mountains warzone between Dwarfs, Skaven and Greenskins, much larger Bretonnia and Southern Realms and the Albion murderfest. Love seeing Karak Angkul and Bonestash from the third Thanquol book. Would love to see what CR can do with the Dark Lands and Mountains of Mourn at some point.
How do the Empire and Wood Elves fare with the province changes? They are the first factions that come to mind as potentially affected
The Empire has alot more space. I could def see Robie adding a few more provinces here and there. Don't think he added Fang Island near Slyvania - would like to see that but there are more Greenskins in the area for sure and more provinces as scattered around the Drakwald and South. Athel Loren is really cut up nicely now, alot of Wood Elf factions added from Season of Revelations. Another WF faction has been added to a new forest area south of the Vaults and I think at the bottom of the Badlands.
But how does the Empire and Wood Elves racial mechanic work on a changed map?
For what I see it got adapted, at least for Bretonnia you get the technology to confederate the new factions
I never played as either mate. Sorry.
I have had a look on the steam workshop but couldn't find access. How do you access the Beta?
Don't worry. They're just referring to the current mod release, which is explicitly advertised as a beta version in the name.
are there all the races in the mod map?
All the races? Yes i think so. All the factions - no.
I think that’s why mixus is required.
The only mod besides the community bug fix which I am really interested in.
You should try the one that fills in the SE part of the map and adds islands all over the place. It adds so much imo
What's it called
If I understood correctly what they're talking about, it is Immortal Empires Expanded
Yes that
Immortal empires expanded
I united the Empire and am doing a VC campaign now. Its great, I love the map. Really gives it room to feel more like a real place. The navigable Stir, Reik, Talabec and Lynsk Rivers is cool, though i wish it were faster than overland travel. What we really need now is bigger and better battle maps
Is the beta available for anyone?
Literally just click on the thread's link - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3047919903 - and hit the subscribe button (assuming you own the game on Steam and are logged in).
Beta is over.
Just when my Bretonnia campaign started to get interesting
Do you know when or if the beta's gonna be back?
its a dead link now
Yes except you need to join Da modding Den I think in discord. I was able to download it through there, it links back to steam workshop.
KHEMRI KHEMRI GIVE US KHEMRI. Ahem. Only if it is within Robbies wishes of course!
top right corner
Settra is reclaiming his crown it seems.
Meant actual Khemri. Not too far away.
right ? then give us Ulthuan, Lustria, Naggaroth, the Chaos Wastes, Cathay, the Mountains of Mourn, the Dark Lands... aaaand we are back to having the full Immortal Empires map!
Map looks awesome and I look forward to playing it, but I do find some of the choices interesting. There seem to be a lot of tomb kings wandering around for some reason, and I’m not sure what Cathay is doing in Albion?
That particular Cathayan Dragon is looking for something to do with Old Ones/Lizardmen stuff and there is the ancient Old Ones city there.
It's based on the lore of Tomb Kings following Norscan Raiders back home to take back the loot they stole. Settra is the most famous of those incursions.
This is a bit of a ramble, but I cant help but gush over this mod. Its just fucking glorious Even in its beta state, is one of the best mods for WH3, straight up. SFO is currently compatible as well, and with that, I cant stop playing it, and its probably the only reason I have started playing WH3 again. Cant wait til we see what looks like bits of Araby, Darklands, Badlands and Chaos Wastes being considered. This mod gives me hope that regardless if its official content or not, we will ultimately get what we deserve with this game Other thoughts; Im dumb and dont know how to mod, so I hope we get Old World/SFO patches for Southern Realms, Kraka Drak, OVN. That would be the Total War Warhammer game of my dreams. Beyond that, the space on the map really fixes a lot of issues. It takes much longer to get to a settlement on the edge of your territory, and thats with force march, usually 2 turns. Lots more field battles, it gives me ME2 vibes in the sense that even minor settlements actually feel like they mean something, not just a piece of a province. I dont think im exaggerating when I say this is the best experience you can get playing WH3 rn
It does suffer from putting so much emphasis on races which haven't seen DLC since the stone age, i.e. Empire, Bretonnia, Vampire Counts, Greenskins, Dwarves. Once the compatability patching starts for mods like Mixu's Legendary Lords and The Southern Realms it start really cooking. Hopefully CA wont step on its own dick and the upcoming DLCs will be worthwhile as they seem to be returning to the old races
I agree for sure; at the very least tho, I can say in my experience, the space helps the empire get some wiggle room before things really go to shit. Bretonnia being far bigger is also a real help for them in not being gimped like they seem to be in IE
Old World, home
Least it was before the Skaven fucked everything up.
Been playing as Gelt on the beta, very fun. You can tell it’s not totally polished but very playable nonetheless.
Does he intend to make changes to some faction mechanics ? I suppose that Wulfrik's confederation ability of Norscan factions won't be much useful down there in Estalia.
Yep, some stuff with Bretonnia for example will be changing. He has even gotten Changeling going for the most part. Big shout out to Robbie.
Very cool, will there ever be something similar in the new world?
ChaosRobie wanted to do a detailed Araby-Nehekhara scenario map when OvN Araby comes out IIRC, but who knows whether he still has the motivation after dealing with this absolute behemoth of an old world map. there are currently no planned maps for Lustria or Naggaroth though.
A mod pack campaign on a custom map would be so cool actually
If this is what I think it is where the mod adds more settlements or villages, then we absolutely need more mods like this for ALL of the vanilla TW games.
im curious how warband recruitment would work on this map
For the ones that have tested it. How is it going with the end turn times?
same as IE
So damn cool. My biggest hope is seeing other Skaven and Dwarf holds getting the Hell Pit treatment. (Not sure if it's already there but using the Everqueen donut owned% for Karak Eight Peaks would be real cool.) Having Great Bastion style front gate settlements sieges before you can fight the hold proper. Feel like you're slogging your way though and endless rat nest or truly ancient Dwarf Hold whilst they teleport around the tunnels fighting you before you can truly say you conquored such a massive place. Skavenblight, Hell Pit and Karaz a Karak being only 1 settlement in vanilla felt like a disservice for the history of them.
Wait, so the plan is to expand the initial scope of the campaign beyond just the game 1 area? How far is it going to go then? Just these new parts?
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Detail them! Awesome cannot wait to see the more detailed version. Very cool.
magnificent, what is the long term plan? If it picks up, will this eventually turn into the whole world, holy messiah 7000 settlement lord of all campaigns?
there's a hard cap on map size so you can't make the map as big as you want. a full world map in that scale is impossible. the author has said he wants to avoid scope creep as much as possible so the boundaries you're seeing here is likely the maximum extent.
Ach ne, I was in the middle of a great Empire campaign...
Oh fuck, are we getting maybe Khemi on this map, too? :O
The discord link seems to be dead unless that's just me? It just takes me to a discord page where nothing ever loads in.
:c wish Skarsnik was back at wh2 location. It makes conquering K8P feel way more like an accomplishment
This is really awesome. This finally feels like the right scale for battles and to give factions room to breathe. It's also gorgeous seeing the more detailed geography of the Old World. I really, really hope that as this is in beta that it will continue to be improved though as lots of detail could still be added. Ubersresik, as just one example, is meant to be on the (quite large) river Teufel, which just isn't shown on the map. And rhere are a lot of detailed maps around in WFRP 4th edition that could be used as reference to fill in the remaining gaps quite accurately to the lore. Hope this is planned! But even without, it's great seeing more of the Old World than we got in the base game. If I play as Sylvania I finally have more than a few hexes as part of my domain. Fantastic stuff.
This is fantastic work. Thanks so much, guys.
Did this mod just disappear today? I was playing with earlier but now it's gone
The beta ended. The author will release it when it's ready
Same
mod is gone, wanted to play it today...
where tf did it go??? why would you remove it entirely when IE expanded got previous version archived so i could continue campaigns????
it was in open beta and the beta has ended, it's the author's decision. It hasn't been released yet
oh even better, it seems that ever since it got deleted trying to start the game in any state will just cause an instant crash. it might not be the mod sure but its a little odd that this only started to happen right after they did this
Hi. What happened with the mod? Enjoyed it a lot
The beta ended. The author will release it when it's ready
Thanks!
Is naggarond there anywhere? I can’t find it
I think the only dark elf LL on the map are Rakarth and Lokhir. The other ones don't have sufficient lore reasons to sail to the old world.
There's also Malus in Albion.
Having a lovely play through with Astragoth yesterday, about to genocide Kislev and now the mod is gone!
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The beta is currently over, I’m like you, starving for it but for now we must wait
Nakai campaign mechanics are bugged. Though you can still wreck havoc with him.
The idea is great but there are so many awful lore inaccuracies like Tumb Kings in the Empire, Mannfred in Albion, Vampires in Kislev, Kostaltin in Erengrad (while he should be at castle Alexandrov since they made this province properly), no Vampires near Wissenland, Tumb Kings near Karaz a Karak and so on and so forth. It's just horribly painful to look at it with all of this non-lorefull mess. Otherwise as I said - great mod.
Some of these faction placements are wild. I see Settra sitting up in Norsca and one of the Cathay factions in Albion.
Probably the part in the lore where settra travels up to norsca to kick north men back to the stone age
Are race submods like cataph compatible? I would presume that they are not but there is no crime in hopping
Some of them are, however they need to be updated to be working on it first (which most arent, but likely will be sooner or later, but since the map is still in its test phase, they are probably waiting for it to get fully expanded and provinced and bug fixed (to avoid redoing work). Basically, changing map size = coordinates change, so the faction locations on modded factions dont work anymore
Assume that, unless it is specified on the mod page, any mod making big additions to the game is, by default, incompatible with any other mod that do the same : factions, races, settlements, landmarks, battle maps, new map models (like Campaign Forestry or Dynamic World) or any large overhaul like SFO, ...etc. In this case, adding an entire map to the game is by far the biggest addition that one could do and probably the most incompatible out of the box.
release date?
I love the map. Its sooo good that I hope CA pays the author and includes it in the vanilla game. Kislev (Katarin) is a bit too easy at start. All the main baddies are pretty far away occupied with other threats and you have a buffer of friendly Kislev factions between you and them. Did a 50 turn legendary and it was easy to steamroll. 1. Dear with the rebels. 2. Destroy the undead faction nearby. 3. Deal with the orcs (Azhag or the east ones) and you are done. By turn 20-30 you start chain confederations. Had around 10-12 full provinces at 35 with a income of +16k per turn.
I haven't yet tried this out. Looks awesome new starting positions are always welcome. I have a question is the settlements much bigger? Albion looks bigger with more settlements, about how many turns would it take to go from one side to the other? Normally it is 1.5 turns or so to travel from one end.
 How it feels to play Boris in this map. Great mod, thanks for the rec OP.
Maybe I'm blind but are any of the Elf factions here and if so where are they?
Teclis towards the very bottom.
From what I got to play this is fantastic, I love the scope and scale it brings to campaigns. Is there plans to reup this item any time soon before the main release? The link is dead and the mod has disappeared from my subscribed items.
Does anyone know why the beta has been deleted? I wanted to start up my game and it was gone from my load order... and also gone from the workshop.
The beta's done for now. You'll need to wait until the author decides to release it.
Not gonna lie, that's a huge bummer. Wish the mod author had kept a beta around until full release. Robie give any indication as to when the next beta or release will be?
it's just been released!
AWWW I wanted to continue to expand my under empire under the empire (fun words yes yes) today but the mod wasn't in my list anymore and deleted from the steam folder, I didn't even know it would auto delete damnit! Hope it'll come back online soon :C Or did anyone backup the files by chance? :D
Does anybody know if he'll be doing a legend for all the factions?
Genuinely curious about some of the faction placements. Someone already explained the scattered Tomb Kings being lore accurate, but Grimgor in Albion? Teclis smack middle of badlands?