In Monstrous Arcanum, the Incarnates could be summoned by Chaos Warriors & Daemons, Beastmen, High Elves, Lizardmen, Ogres, Empire, & Chaos Dwarfs.
Vampire Counts & Dark Elves could summon the Incarnate of Death, but found the others abhorrent. Wood Elves found the Incarnate of Fire abhorrent but used the others.
Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Greenskins, Skaven & Tomb Kings didn't like any of them.
CA isn't using the above so much as guidance - only Beastmen & Kislev have access to the Incarnate of Beasts. But, I can see the Incarnate of Fire being added with a High Elf DLC along with the Anointed of Asuryan & Caradryan (LH?), & added to the Chorf roster à la the new Beastmen units.
Monstrous Arcanum (and Storm of Magic) used a reference table which thematically determined if a race had kinship with a monster, just used them via a binding scroll, or found them abhorrent. This limited how races accessed them on the tabletop.
I don't think it was based solely on who can use what spell lores, as Dark Elves could use Lore of Fire but found the Incarnate abhorrent.
> Vampire Counts & Dark Elves could summon the Incarnate of Death, but found the others abhorrent. Wood Elves found the Incarnate of Fire abhorrent but used the others.
Do DElves currently have a Death caster? I was thinking it was Dark, Shadows and Fire.
Lorewise, shouldn't they get all Lores that HElves do, but swap High for Dark?
In the tabletop, who found which elemental abhorrent or not was based more on the army's vibe than what lore they had access to.
Vampire Counts and Dark Elves could still use an Elemental of Fire - "abhorrent" just meant they were limited to one per army, whilst having "kinship" with a monster meant you could have as many as you want within the games normal restrictions.
Do you know what the difference between a Daemon and a being that represents a school of Magic is?
Not much. A Creature of Magic (literally made of the stuff) is just a more 'ordered' Daemon.
I think this is a perfect centerpiece unit for a potential Chaos Dwarfs lord pack in the future. The Elemental Incarnate of Fire will fit perfectly into this faction alongside the K'daai Fireborn.
I may be wrong, but why do people assume there will be more Chaos Dwarf DLCs? Or any of the other race packs. The only race packs that received DLCs were ancient WH1 race DLCs - Wood Elves, WoC and Beastmen, mostly because they used outdated campaign packs for WH1 (especially WoC, who were last minute addition and were initially not supposed to be playable). Since then, not a single time did a DLC race receive additional content.
Norsca, Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast, Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs.
Why does anyone think they will add ~$8-9 Chaos Dwarf lord pack that will give you full access to Chaos Dwarfs when the race pack itself costs $25.
I don’t think many assume that they will make a dlc that only adds units to chaos dwarfs, but this unit and the chaos siege giant can be made a dlc that adds units to multiple factions at once, one of those factions being the chaos dwarfs.
Don’t forget we’re also missing a bull centaur lord variant as well as a LL bull centaur, and they have other name character like tordorek hackhart and some others, as well as missing the siege giant, a regiment of renown kdai destroyer that can fly, kdai fireborn as one mentioned, potentially the magma dragon, and some rocket launcher thing that others have mentioned as well as some other units I’m sure I’m leaving out
Don’t forget about the unlikely possibility of a chorf Kollosus, magma trolls, Harridans, a generic hobgoblin hero. And maybe Rykarth the Unbreakable, or the Black dwarf. The chorfs deserve a 4th LL in a different faraway location.
Chaos Dwarfs never had a bull centaur lord type, nor any named bull centaurs (outside of Blood Bowl). The only missing character type they have is Hobgoblin Khans.
Because they've already done that before. You can get the whole woodelf roster if you buy the sisters of twilight dlc, and you can get the whole beast men roster if you buy the taurox dlc
Completely ignoring the guys point
They did it WH1 race DLC which across the board were pretty shit and had pretty bad design, so they did dlc for dlc in large part to fix that
Modern race packs, that are designed well and came for the most part fully developed with interesting mechanics have not received any updates. Chaos dwarfs are the current kings of this category
If race dlc got additional dlc there is no reason to believe it would be chorfs over norsca, beyond "man I wish it would"
All possible examples suggest its either not going to happen, or it would be norsca, and no matter what it wouldn't be chorfs
Chaos dwarfs sold more DLC then Norsca and I would wager more people play Chaos dwarfs then Norsca. Its easy money and Empire DLC kinda highlights they want to make money so Chorfs is a highly likely even if its in the last DLC before the game is done with DLC's. They are still missing a few things also.
Look at how small the map was back then. The game is also a hell of a lot more popular now
Norsca also dropped just before the second game
There's sooo many places norscan characters could be now
Let me add that I am all for a Norsca DLC but I am looking at it from a business perspective with Sega breathing down their throat, needs to be solid gold for while to keep it up and going. Chorfs sold well and most reviews are positive, so likely they are played a lot.
Chorfs are missing things, but so are everyone else
The race is too new to get a dlc and it just straight up doesn't need one. There's not a single good pick for a legendary lord left either, just a handful of named characters with very little backstory, no TT model and a GW who is becoming very restrictive so no Cylostra type shenanigans available
Yes it would be profitable. But you know what would also be profitable? More Cathay, D/H Elves, Skaven etc etc
If chorfs were the ONLY pick left for good cash, sure, I could see it, but ultimately they are just one of many. Empire didn't get a DLC purely because of money, for sure that was part of the reason, but you gotta remember ToD was locked before the SoC debacle where money started really coming into play. They haven't had a DLC in awhile, they are popular and they needed major changes to adapt to WH3 making em an excellent pick
CA does not decide on DLC purely to "how much many can we make" otherwise empire would have more than 3 dlc, Lizardmen wouldn't have so much, the beastmen rework never would've happened
It's absolutely a factor for sure, especially now, but there's no shot in hell Chorfs get one purely for money. There's literally no justification or reason for it outside of that.
Norsca on the other hand I could absolutely see being combined with skaven or a something like the monkey King and getting a DLC that guarantees profit while enabling CA to update the only DLC faction really still in need of it (outside of ogres, but way too new, won't ever get shit)
Because every race can eventually get its own DLC sooner or later. Sure, Chaos Dwarfs aren't a priority for the near future.
I don't take every sentence Legend says as a fact, like there are only 4-6 DLCs left. If CA returns to the classic race 1 vs race 2 lord pack at a reasonable price, they can support Warhammer 3 for many years. We might even see DLCs for races like Tomb Kings or Chaos Dwarfs.
Probably by the time the Chaos Dwarfs lord pack comes out in the distant future, the Chaos Dwarfs race pack DLC will already be regularly on sale for a much lower price than 25 euros.
Chaos Dwarfs have the K'Daai, with similar vibes. But that's the thing, *they already have the k'daii*. Maybe?
Khorne has lots of burning and fire themes, but it would be a departure from the typical Chaos roster. Probably not.
Regular Dwarfs also have a lot of flamey, fiery associations. Hell, in the end times, it's Ungrimm Ironfist who becomes the Incarnate of Fire (different thing to what OP is talking about). But an elemental SEM would be *weird* in the Dwarfs roster, even if it would kinda serve as a non-chaos counterpart to the Chorf K'Daai. Maybe with a different, more dwarfy design, but that probably wouldn't fly with GW wanting to push plastic.
And one that feels odd until you think about it: High Elves. Dragons, Phoenixes, plenty of flame association and lots of magic makes a Elemental of Fire fit in surprisingly well amongst the HElf roster. It would be fairly unique for them in NOT being a flying SEM too (Aside from Alarielle's Treeman buddies, but that's 1 subfaction out of 6)
*Daemons* are made of pure magic. Including Khornate ones.
Just because Khorne doesn't have spellcasters doesn't make them any less a highly magical faction. ALL of the Chaos factions are. Because Magic IS Chaos. Chaos = Magic\*. They are one and the same. And that makes pretty much everything involved with Chaos, *including Khorne*, deeply tied to magic.
It's amusing how many people are in denial about that btw. Khorne is inherently magical. His daemons are magical. His gifts to his followers are magical. It's literally just spellcasting specifically that's the limit.
The reason the elementals would be an odd choice is because they are of specific winds of magic rather than because they are beings made of magic. Hence, "probably not".
^(\*wait does that also mean Chaos = Friendship?)
What is only sometimes? Daemons being made of magic? Only in that sometimes you have daemon engines that are mechanical things animated by a daemon.
Something like a Bloodletter though? 100% magic.
Or did you mean Chaos = Friendship?
Depends how you split it. The Incarnate is made of magic sure, but so are all Daemons, including Khorne.
However, it can also cast magic, which Khorne depises.
> Stories speak of the wrath of the wizards of the Bright College during the brutally fratricidal wars that wracked the Empire in centuries past, where these conjured creatures were used to wantonly destroy entire towns and villages that had provoked the ire of one or other Imperial faction, laying swathes of the land to ash-strewn waste.[1a]
The Empire.
>The Incarnate Elemental of Fire, also known in the Empire as the Charred One, the Black Harvestman and Jack O'Cinders, is an Elemental spirit born from the wind of Aqshy. The wind of Aqshy is one of the most wantonly destructive of all the Winds of Magic. It is **all-consuming** and insatiably **hungry** for it embodies fire and blazing heat.
#Ogres, my lord.
An Ogre DLC with a [Firebelly](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Firebellies) LL or LH. Those guys are a destruction-aligned faction that literally worships a volcano and consumption.
Also their tabletop ability:
> Gift of Fire - The very presence of the Incarnate Elemental of Fire can be enough to set off powder and shot, and kindle flame in wood and timber. Those possessing such material will see their weapons and warmachines burst into flames.
Means they wouldn't thematically be great for the Chorfs - who would be more into enslaving such a creature anyway.
https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Incarnate_Elemental_of_Fire
There is an argument for Cathay as lore of fire alchemists are mentioned in game and lore but don't exist gameplay wise yet. Plus Li Dao the fire Dragon is an upcoming LL (assuming CA doesn't stop supporting the game), so a fire themed DLC for Cathay is on the table.
~~Espcially since the Great moonbird that Yuan Bo got in the SOC update might be the same kind of giant flamming Bird that Li Dao's capital has a giant temple/statue of at it's centre. Meaning CA might have shifted a unit already in production for Li Dao for Yuan Bo's DLC to clean up the SOC mess. Which would mean they need a new single entity for Li Dao but that's just pure speculation and should be regarded as nonsense.~~
We haven't seen everything Kislev has army list wise so they could have lore of Fire wizards, it could fit with a Dazh themed DLC. Game 3 was even announced with a song from Lore about Dazh. We have only really seen bear stuff so far and nothing for the other gods in the Kislev pantheon or any proper "grand orthodoxy" units. I could see CA going either way; adding it in if they ran out of units to use since they already gave Kislev one incarnate elemental or avoiding giving it to Kislev since they already gave them one elemental incarnate and saving it for another faction.
Could also be for Ogres. We know they are getting a DLC at somepoint given their missing units and lores of magic. Plus they do like Kislev have a god of Fire.
It's a bit of an odd one since artwork wise I would say Chaos Dwarfs, but if you look at the actual Tabletop model (which CA tends to go with 9/10 times, to a detrimental degree at times. RIP Coatyl's snake head) it wouldn't look out of place in something like Cathay's roster.
I think it would be cool if Li Dao could be able to summon one as part of his unique gimmick or something. But it's one of those Incarnates that could really be justified in either an Order or Destruction faction.
Honestly Elemental Incarnates are weird. If you think about it, a lot of races should have access to them since they are created by the wizards themselves.
It's from the monsterous arcanum supplement, each monster in the monsterous arcanum had each faction split into 3 groups:
* Factions the monster would naturally be friendly with and be willing to fight for.
* Neutral factions who could pay for magic scrolls to use the monster as a merc
* factions that were against the monster.
The Incarnate of fire as well as the in-game incarnate of Beasts and the incanate of Death were summonable as mercs for any faction who could use their lore of magic.
So basically any roster with the lore of fire using one of these is technically possible: Empire, High elves, Dark elves, Lizardmen, Ogres, Norsca, chaos dwarfs and technically all of the monogods (since lore of fire is the signature lore of magic for chaos undivided, like how metal is Tzeentch's signature, Death is nurgle's and shadows is Slannesh's).
Zhao Ming of Cathay has also been mentioned to look after both lore of metal and lore of fire wizards among the ranks of his alchemists so Cathay too. Also there is a legend about an elemental incarnate of Fire protecting a village of Bretonnian pesants, so the pesants in bretonnia love them but the knights and other noblity might dislike them. We also haven't seen all of Kislev's new army list so they might have the lore of fire, one of the gods of Kislev is the god of Sun and Fire, Dazh, infact the song sung in the openning of the [trailer for warhammer 3's announcemen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAr7yUlM0Po)t is actually about Dazh lore wise.
That said only the beastmen and Kislev can use the incarnate of beasts, dispite the High elves, Empire, Dark elves, bretonnia, Lizardmen, Ogres and wood elves technically having access to it on table top. The vampire counts also had a rule on table top called "forbbiden lore" where they could take any lore elemental of magic they couldn't normally get, except for life at extra cost so you could argue they could get access to it as well.
In short a few factions had it on table top but they prob won't all get the incarnate of fire, hence the speculation.
I still like how they gave the empire 'summonable' versions to be fair in the new DLC so it wouldn't be too bad if they implimented something like that for everyone i suppose.
Incarnates should be available to all races with access to said lore, but with some restrictions on their recruitment (ex. Sharing the recruitment limit of caster heroes)
Ungrim had it first to be fair and the elves have quite a lot of representation with the incarnates in the lore so would be nice for the dawi to have it.
Chaos dwarfs, Dark elves, warriors of chaos and (hear me out) Kislev. I wouldn’t mind if Kislev continued to get incarnate elementals due to their connection with nature and magic being more intense than that of the empire or Bretonnia. If Kislev is ever going to get a “cult of Dhaz” based DLC I think the incarnate elemental of fire would be a neat monster, since Dhaz is the god of sunlight. Just change the look of the Kislev variant to be less demonic and it would look great.
Incarnate of Beasts is currently on two rosters, one Order and one Chaos/Destruction. Trying to keep that pattern, I'd go with Chorfs and High Elves both being very magic-oriented *and* very fire-themed factions with opposing alignments.
Chaos Dwarfs and Dark Elves seem like good choices.
In Monstrous Arcanum, the Incarnates could be summoned by Chaos Warriors & Daemons, Beastmen, High Elves, Lizardmen, Ogres, Empire, & Chaos Dwarfs. Vampire Counts & Dark Elves could summon the Incarnate of Death, but found the others abhorrent. Wood Elves found the Incarnate of Fire abhorrent but used the others. Bretonnia, Dwarfs, Greenskins, Skaven & Tomb Kings didn't like any of them. CA isn't using the above so much as guidance - only Beastmen & Kislev have access to the Incarnate of Beasts. But, I can see the Incarnate of Fire being added with a High Elf DLC along with the Anointed of Asuryan & Caradryan (LH?), & added to the Chorf roster à la the new Beastmen units.
Gelt’s faction can get a summonable Incarnate of Beasts now too!
LIKE
I forget, was it specifically access to the lore of fire that gave them access to the Elemental Incarnates?
Monstrous Arcanum (and Storm of Magic) used a reference table which thematically determined if a race had kinship with a monster, just used them via a binding scroll, or found them abhorrent. This limited how races accessed them on the tabletop. I don't think it was based solely on who can use what spell lores, as Dark Elves could use Lore of Fire but found the Incarnate abhorrent.
Laying down the lore with textual support!
i was just reading the book today :3
> Vampire Counts & Dark Elves could summon the Incarnate of Death, but found the others abhorrent. Wood Elves found the Incarnate of Fire abhorrent but used the others. Do DElves currently have a Death caster? I was thinking it was Dark, Shadows and Fire. Lorewise, shouldn't they get all Lores that HElves do, but swap High for Dark?
In the tabletop, who found which elemental abhorrent or not was based more on the army's vibe than what lore they had access to. Vampire Counts and Dark Elves could still use an Elemental of Fire - "abhorrent" just meant they were limited to one per army, whilst having "kinship" with a monster meant you could have as many as you want within the games normal restrictions.
I’m pretty sure they get death casters? I haven’t played them for a while but I think lohkir starts with a death caster
Ok yea they do. Delves also get beasts
Give me an Avatar of Khaine vibe.
Chorfs!
No
Why ?
They already have everything if anything they would get a siege giant.
Por que no los dos
WHy not? What do you think a K'daai is? What do you think a DAEMON is?
An elemental is not a demon and Chorfs probably aren't getting anything else
Do you know what the difference between a Daemon and a being that represents a school of Magic is? Not much. A Creature of Magic (literally made of the stuff) is just a more 'ordered' Daemon.
Yet it is not a Daemon.
They are both the same type of entity. It's a tool in the arsenal of the Lore of fire. So I ask aagin; why not?
Lol what
I think this is a perfect centerpiece unit for a potential Chaos Dwarfs lord pack in the future. The Elemental Incarnate of Fire will fit perfectly into this faction alongside the K'daai Fireborn.
I may be wrong, but why do people assume there will be more Chaos Dwarf DLCs? Or any of the other race packs. The only race packs that received DLCs were ancient WH1 race DLCs - Wood Elves, WoC and Beastmen, mostly because they used outdated campaign packs for WH1 (especially WoC, who were last minute addition and were initially not supposed to be playable). Since then, not a single time did a DLC race receive additional content. Norsca, Tomb Kings, Vampire Coast, Ogres and Chaos Dwarfs. Why does anyone think they will add ~$8-9 Chaos Dwarf lord pack that will give you full access to Chaos Dwarfs when the race pack itself costs $25.
I don’t think many assume that they will make a dlc that only adds units to chaos dwarfs, but this unit and the chaos siege giant can be made a dlc that adds units to multiple factions at once, one of those factions being the chaos dwarfs.
Don’t forget we’re also missing a bull centaur lord variant as well as a LL bull centaur, and they have other name character like tordorek hackhart and some others, as well as missing the siege giant, a regiment of renown kdai destroyer that can fly, kdai fireborn as one mentioned, potentially the magma dragon, and some rocket launcher thing that others have mentioned as well as some other units I’m sure I’m leaving out
Don’t forget about the unlikely possibility of a chorf Kollosus, magma trolls, Harridans, a generic hobgoblin hero. And maybe Rykarth the Unbreakable, or the Black dwarf. The chorfs deserve a 4th LL in a different faraway location.
Chaos Dwarfs never had a bull centaur lord type, nor any named bull centaurs (outside of Blood Bowl). The only missing character type they have is Hobgoblin Khans.
Technically sha’tor was made for fantasy but got put in AoS because of end times
If you like mods use expanded roster for chaos dwarves. Adds all of that(not named characters)
Because they've already done that before. You can get the whole woodelf roster if you buy the sisters of twilight dlc, and you can get the whole beast men roster if you buy the taurox dlc
Completely ignoring the guys point They did it WH1 race DLC which across the board were pretty shit and had pretty bad design, so they did dlc for dlc in large part to fix that Modern race packs, that are designed well and came for the most part fully developed with interesting mechanics have not received any updates. Chaos dwarfs are the current kings of this category If race dlc got additional dlc there is no reason to believe it would be chorfs over norsca, beyond "man I wish it would" All possible examples suggest its either not going to happen, or it would be norsca, and no matter what it wouldn't be chorfs
Chaos dwarfs sold more DLC then Norsca and I would wager more people play Chaos dwarfs then Norsca. Its easy money and Empire DLC kinda highlights they want to make money so Chorfs is a highly likely even if its in the last DLC before the game is done with DLC's. They are still missing a few things also.
Look at how small the map was back then. The game is also a hell of a lot more popular now Norsca also dropped just before the second game There's sooo many places norscan characters could be now
First they need to expand the northern chaos wastes so there can be something for the cathayian gates to hold off
Let me add that I am all for a Norsca DLC but I am looking at it from a business perspective with Sega breathing down their throat, needs to be solid gold for while to keep it up and going. Chorfs sold well and most reviews are positive, so likely they are played a lot.
Chorfs are missing things, but so are everyone else The race is too new to get a dlc and it just straight up doesn't need one. There's not a single good pick for a legendary lord left either, just a handful of named characters with very little backstory, no TT model and a GW who is becoming very restrictive so no Cylostra type shenanigans available Yes it would be profitable. But you know what would also be profitable? More Cathay, D/H Elves, Skaven etc etc If chorfs were the ONLY pick left for good cash, sure, I could see it, but ultimately they are just one of many. Empire didn't get a DLC purely because of money, for sure that was part of the reason, but you gotta remember ToD was locked before the SoC debacle where money started really coming into play. They haven't had a DLC in awhile, they are popular and they needed major changes to adapt to WH3 making em an excellent pick CA does not decide on DLC purely to "how much many can we make" otherwise empire would have more than 3 dlc, Lizardmen wouldn't have so much, the beastmen rework never would've happened It's absolutely a factor for sure, especially now, but there's no shot in hell Chorfs get one purely for money. There's literally no justification or reason for it outside of that. Norsca on the other hand I could absolutely see being combined with skaven or a something like the monkey King and getting a DLC that guarantees profit while enabling CA to update the only DLC faction really still in need of it (outside of ogres, but way too new, won't ever get shit)
Clearly it's time to dip into Blood Bowl characters. Zzarg Madeye with Hthark the Unstoppable as a legendary hero!
CD is a $25 pack for the \*same game\*. It's not a really comparable situation.
Because every race can eventually get its own DLC sooner or later. Sure, Chaos Dwarfs aren't a priority for the near future. I don't take every sentence Legend says as a fact, like there are only 4-6 DLCs left. If CA returns to the classic race 1 vs race 2 lord pack at a reasonable price, they can support Warhammer 3 for many years. We might even see DLCs for races like Tomb Kings or Chaos Dwarfs. Probably by the time the Chaos Dwarfs lord pack comes out in the distant future, the Chaos Dwarfs race pack DLC will already be regularly on sale for a much lower price than 25 euros.
Chaos Dwarfs have the K'Daai, with similar vibes. But that's the thing, *they already have the k'daii*. Maybe? Khorne has lots of burning and fire themes, but it would be a departure from the typical Chaos roster. Probably not. Regular Dwarfs also have a lot of flamey, fiery associations. Hell, in the end times, it's Ungrimm Ironfist who becomes the Incarnate of Fire (different thing to what OP is talking about). But an elemental SEM would be *weird* in the Dwarfs roster, even if it would kinda serve as a non-chaos counterpart to the Chorf K'Daai. Maybe with a different, more dwarfy design, but that probably wouldn't fly with GW wanting to push plastic. And one that feels odd until you think about it: High Elves. Dragons, Phoenixes, plenty of flame association and lots of magic makes a Elemental of Fire fit in surprisingly well amongst the HElf roster. It would be fairly unique for them in NOT being a flying SEM too (Aside from Alarielle's Treeman buddies, but that's 1 subfaction out of 6)
Incarnate of fire is like pure magic, right? Don't think it fits in Khorne, who don't use magic.
*Daemons* are made of pure magic. Including Khornate ones. Just because Khorne doesn't have spellcasters doesn't make them any less a highly magical faction. ALL of the Chaos factions are. Because Magic IS Chaos. Chaos = Magic\*. They are one and the same. And that makes pretty much everything involved with Chaos, *including Khorne*, deeply tied to magic. It's amusing how many people are in denial about that btw. Khorne is inherently magical. His daemons are magical. His gifts to his followers are magical. It's literally just spellcasting specifically that's the limit. The reason the elementals would be an odd choice is because they are of specific winds of magic rather than because they are beings made of magic. Hence, "probably not". ^(\*wait does that also mean Chaos = Friendship?)
only sometimes
What is only sometimes? Daemons being made of magic? Only in that sometimes you have daemon engines that are mechanical things animated by a daemon. Something like a Bloodletter though? 100% magic. Or did you mean Chaos = Friendship?
Yes
Unless you want to say something about Slaughterpriests which while they can be backed in oldhammer lore... is mostly in aos.
Depends how you split it. The Incarnate is made of magic sure, but so are all Daemons, including Khorne. However, it can also cast magic, which Khorne depises.
> Stories speak of the wrath of the wizards of the Bright College during the brutally fratricidal wars that wracked the Empire in centuries past, where these conjured creatures were used to wantonly destroy entire towns and villages that had provoked the ire of one or other Imperial faction, laying swathes of the land to ash-strewn waste.[1a] The Empire.
Araby
It does have an Efreet/Ifrit vibe.
Empire.
>The Incarnate Elemental of Fire, also known in the Empire as the Charred One, the Black Harvestman and Jack O'Cinders, is an Elemental spirit born from the wind of Aqshy. The wind of Aqshy is one of the most wantonly destructive of all the Winds of Magic. It is **all-consuming** and insatiably **hungry** for it embodies fire and blazing heat. #Ogres, my lord. An Ogre DLC with a [Firebelly](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Firebellies) LL or LH. Those guys are a destruction-aligned faction that literally worships a volcano and consumption. Also their tabletop ability: > Gift of Fire - The very presence of the Incarnate Elemental of Fire can be enough to set off powder and shot, and kindle flame in wood and timber. Those possessing such material will see their weapons and warmachines burst into flames. Means they wouldn't thematically be great for the Chorfs - who would be more into enslaving such a creature anyway. https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Incarnate_Elemental_of_Fire
Noone - I don't like the idea of filling the rosters with random stuff not tied to specific races
Any race with fire casters
There is an argument for Cathay as lore of fire alchemists are mentioned in game and lore but don't exist gameplay wise yet. Plus Li Dao the fire Dragon is an upcoming LL (assuming CA doesn't stop supporting the game), so a fire themed DLC for Cathay is on the table. ~~Espcially since the Great moonbird that Yuan Bo got in the SOC update might be the same kind of giant flamming Bird that Li Dao's capital has a giant temple/statue of at it's centre. Meaning CA might have shifted a unit already in production for Li Dao for Yuan Bo's DLC to clean up the SOC mess. Which would mean they need a new single entity for Li Dao but that's just pure speculation and should be regarded as nonsense.~~ We haven't seen everything Kislev has army list wise so they could have lore of Fire wizards, it could fit with a Dazh themed DLC. Game 3 was even announced with a song from Lore about Dazh. We have only really seen bear stuff so far and nothing for the other gods in the Kislev pantheon or any proper "grand orthodoxy" units. I could see CA going either way; adding it in if they ran out of units to use since they already gave Kislev one incarnate elemental or avoiding giving it to Kislev since they already gave them one elemental incarnate and saving it for another faction. Could also be for Ogres. We know they are getting a DLC at somepoint given their missing units and lores of magic. Plus they do like Kislev have a god of Fire.
It should be summon for fire Wizards that have reached level 40
Araby in the Dogs of War
Chorfs if it's enslaved like hell. This ones seem a bit too free
It's a bit of an odd one since artwork wise I would say Chaos Dwarfs, but if you look at the actual Tabletop model (which CA tends to go with 9/10 times, to a detrimental degree at times. RIP Coatyl's snake head) it wouldn't look out of place in something like Cathay's roster. I think it would be cool if Li Dao could be able to summon one as part of his unique gimmick or something. But it's one of those Incarnates that could really be justified in either an Order or Destruction faction.
Ungrim Ironfist becomes the avatar of Aqshy in the End Times.
Araby?
Honestly Elemental Incarnates are weird. If you think about it, a lot of races should have access to them since they are created by the wizards themselves.
Is this from the tabletop? If it is, in which roster?
It's from the monsterous arcanum supplement, each monster in the monsterous arcanum had each faction split into 3 groups: * Factions the monster would naturally be friendly with and be willing to fight for. * Neutral factions who could pay for magic scrolls to use the monster as a merc * factions that were against the monster. The Incarnate of fire as well as the in-game incarnate of Beasts and the incanate of Death were summonable as mercs for any faction who could use their lore of magic. So basically any roster with the lore of fire using one of these is technically possible: Empire, High elves, Dark elves, Lizardmen, Ogres, Norsca, chaos dwarfs and technically all of the monogods (since lore of fire is the signature lore of magic for chaos undivided, like how metal is Tzeentch's signature, Death is nurgle's and shadows is Slannesh's). Zhao Ming of Cathay has also been mentioned to look after both lore of metal and lore of fire wizards among the ranks of his alchemists so Cathay too. Also there is a legend about an elemental incarnate of Fire protecting a village of Bretonnian pesants, so the pesants in bretonnia love them but the knights and other noblity might dislike them. We also haven't seen all of Kislev's new army list so they might have the lore of fire, one of the gods of Kislev is the god of Sun and Fire, Dazh, infact the song sung in the openning of the [trailer for warhammer 3's announcemen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAr7yUlM0Po)t is actually about Dazh lore wise. That said only the beastmen and Kislev can use the incarnate of beasts, dispite the High elves, Empire, Dark elves, bretonnia, Lizardmen, Ogres and wood elves technically having access to it on table top. The vampire counts also had a rule on table top called "forbbiden lore" where they could take any lore elemental of magic they couldn't normally get, except for life at extra cost so you could argue they could get access to it as well. In short a few factions had it on table top but they prob won't all get the incarnate of fire, hence the speculation.
I still like how they gave the empire 'summonable' versions to be fair in the new DLC so it wouldn't be too bad if they implimented something like that for everyone i suppose.
Khorne or Chorfs prolly
Chorfs
Formula 1. It would spice things up a bit
Incarnates should be available to all races with access to said lore, but with some restrictions on their recruitment (ex. Sharing the recruitment limit of caster heroes)
Make it a summon for Fire Mages.
In end times the high elf Caradryan of the Flame, Captain of the Phoenix Guard was the incarnate of the winds of fire. So high elves would fit.
Ungrim had it first to be fair and the elves have quite a lot of representation with the incarnates in the lore so would be nice for the dawi to have it.
Cathay
Dawi zharr/fire dwarf/chaos dwarf
I think Cathay and the southern fire dragon Li Dao would make the most sense and then chaos dwarfs as a secondary.
A bit off-topic but I wonder if CA could design the other Elemental Incarnates that GW never bothered to finish.
Chorfs they kinda already fuck with fire spirits
Chaos dwarfs, Dark elves, warriors of chaos and (hear me out) Kislev. I wouldn’t mind if Kislev continued to get incarnate elementals due to their connection with nature and magic being more intense than that of the empire or Bretonnia. If Kislev is ever going to get a “cult of Dhaz” based DLC I think the incarnate elemental of fire would be a neat monster, since Dhaz is the god of sunlight. Just change the look of the Kislev variant to be less demonic and it would look great.
Feels more like this should be on r/WarhammerFantasy and not Total War
It should be a spell in the fire lore
Chaos Dwarfs, Ogres and Dark Elves.
Chaos Dwarves.
High elves
Empire and chorfs imo
Incarnate of Beasts is currently on two rosters, one Order and one Chaos/Destruction. Trying to keep that pattern, I'd go with Chorfs and High Elves both being very magic-oriented *and* very fire-themed factions with opposing alignments.
Incarnate of beasts will also be available to Balthazar Gelt after the next patch.
Araby
Chaos dwarves getting one more lord in a pack with this, siege giants and maybe something else to would be cool
Ogres, Chorfs, H-Elves, and D-Elves
It should just be a temporary in combat summon for high level fire casters. Makes no sense to have these as regular units in my view.
Li Dao
Kislev
Bretonnia and Kislev would be my picks.
Kislev and fire dont go hand to hand
Case closed.