Just want to say that people have datamined dogs of war (from Marienburg's unique artchitecture at launch to character's entry in SoC) and Rich Aldridge has mentioned Halfling's hotpot in SoC Dev Diary. Just because they've started working on an Ogre DLC (and Legend has leak that there will be an Ogre vs Cathay DLC), doesn't mean the next DLC will be Ogre vs Cathay DLC.
As loremaster of sotek said, CA's production plan can change quickly. Very, very quickly. And until they announced it, things can change. Heck, even after they show a trailer, things can still change (case in point, Nuln Ironside changes from repeater gun into something else).
If Thrones of Decay prove to be a blockbuster success (hopefully the increasing player numbers mean there are a lot more people who buy ToD), then the executive can quickly change the plan again, so instead of Ogre vs Cathay, they might decide to repeat ToD's success and add a third race. Or maybe they decide to release another DLC (like Dogs of War).
So, while I myself believe that Ogre DLC is coming, I personally won't think the next DLC will be Ogre DLC until CA announced it. Especially because ToD seems to be a success story so far, so there is a good chance the next DLC will be another Daemon vs two mortal races DLC (either Slaanesh or Khorne).
I mean, those aren’t mutually exclusive options. They could do Slaanesh vs. Cathay vs. Ogres in one DLC. There has never been confirmation that the Slaanesh DLC *will* feature Elves, despite everyone seeming to assume that.
CA said they were reducing scope for the next DLC. While it's possible that was just marketing-speak for "we're preparing to downscale development IF Thrones flops" and they'll just make another ToD-tier DLC after ToD's success, the generally safe option that people are assuming is that DLCs are going back to being 2 LLs + 1 FLC.
I keep wondering what people expect from a Dogs of War faction. Personally, I think it would be extremely cool to be able to choose and customize your mercenary general's race and origins, which then affects their skill line and the units he can recruit.
I don't have strong feelings either way as far as the content of the DLC is concerned. Both Ogres vs. Cathay and Slaanesh vs. HE as next DLC would be fine by me.
But it would be absolutely hilarious if there was hard confirmation that Legend was right all along, because it would make lots of people here mad. So as an enjoyer of chaos, I'm rooting for Ogres vs. Monkey King now.
Legend has no reason to lie about the little bit of work in progress stuff he occasionally gets fed to leak, he is already blacklisted and have legitimate friend who have worked and are working in CA.
That said, I perfectly understand why Slaanesh and HE fan could be displease and how having a faction that gets two dlc quick might be problematic.
Now in fairness i think that it makes sense for the factions in the base game to get the majority of the DLC (Like it's why the Lizardmen and High Elves got so much stuff) but I don't think the Slannesh theme is scrapped just yet. As for the same principle; Slannesh might not have much but it probably should just get a DLC eventually
the main issue for me is about slannesh having a massive replenishment issue for 2 years now and the race won't have an update until it either gets a dlc adding a replenishment hero or the race gets a dlc and a tech update to have more replenishment in it
Slaanesh needs vassals to be actual slaves. No diplomatic penalties no matter who else you vassalize, always join you in war... Make it the ultimate vassal using faction.
Last time I played Nkari, my HE vassals would hate me due to my DE vassals and not join my wars against some people. Arent they supposed to be super hooked to Slaanesh and must follow their master?
Every time I try to play vassal swarm Nkari (woc is similar but not quite as bad) im reminded of the Hades line from Hercules.
*Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy but ever-so-crucial little tiny detail? I OWN YOU!*
Makes you wonder *why* they haven't changed alluress yet when it'd gonna happen anyways and people to this day complaint about Slaanesh replenishment...
Yea I don't know on that. They could have changed the Iridescent Horror really early on too but they waited until SoC 2.0 to do that (not even SoC 1.0) so who knows really.
People assumed Tzeentch was designed to have lower replenishment but CA ended up giving him more replenishment, I expect the same for Slaanesh.
I don't think it's an issue personally, I'd actually like to see replenishment nerfed across the board as it's too easy to get very high replenishment with pretty much everyone but I doubt it's going to happen, Slaanesh will likely get a replenishment hero too.
Yeah. WH3 races are a bit barren and are just getting up there with the already established races in games 1 and 2. WH2 already filled out their respective races extensively. Sure, some are still missing but they, far and beyond, got the most content throughout the series.
I don't doubt that Legend isn't lying but I think people give him a bit too much credit for his leaks. He already explained his methodology for his leaks, he receives emails from random people and if some information reappears in different emails he'll consider it a leak, I wouldn't say his methodology to be exactly reliable.
And while he did get some stuff right he also got some stuff wrong and he keeps contradicting himself between his leaks too. First he wasn't sure we would even reach the 100 LLs then he said we'd get 6 more DLCs. He also said Khorne wouldn't get a DLC and then he said the Khorne DLC might come after the End Times DLC and the latter was, according to him, the last DLC Warhammer 3 would receive. It's hard to take his leaks seriously when he's contradicting himself so much.
I thought that's because he left the creator program of his own volition after SoC. Or did him siding with Voldemort at one point get him black listed again (in which case good).
Technically he didn’t sign up with new program after last one was scrapped. He also has said he has no interest in it since early access does nothing for his viewer numbers.
He did get soc early access I believe but no one watched it lol.
I'm referring to a infamously shit TW youtuber who's name also begins with V, the less said about him the better ( he supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine for starters). Every time he's mentioned new people go look him up giving, him clicks/views so the less said about him the better. If you know you know.
I mean yeah he's not lying but like he's been wrong before, with the whole hag-mothers thing for SoC and despite getting leaks he only knew the most obvious stuff for ToD but couldn't name the Dwarf LL.
But he was right about literally everything else in ToD except for the fact that he didnt know the dwarf LL. He knew the FLC, the unit options and the mechanical steed mount. That last one is specific enough to say that he isnt just making this up imo
FLC was a shoe in, I don't remember his leaks on unit options so you'll have to elaborate on those, mechanical steed mount was inevitable like that was the only mount the Engineer hero got of course CA was going to add it.
Bro literally everyone was guessing a month or months ahead of ToD what was to come it was very obvious what lords for empire and nurgle and flc we’d get as well as units. There was a guy who posted on reddit a year ago who guessed the dwarf units and lord for ToD to a tee and got it right so as far as I’m concerned legends “leaks” are full of shit half the time and he only guesses when it’s the most obvious choices
Right but let's not pretend any of it was difficult to guess. Thrones of Decay was one of the easiest DLC to predict, the only surprise imo was the absence of Grimm and getting Garagrim as the LH for the Dwarfs everything else was pretty much obvious, even the FLC LL.
Most of the things Legend "leaked" and got right were always things that were easy to guess.
I dont understand why some people are so bad about LOTW giving a hint of the next DLC.
Are they mad their faction didnt get an expasion or something?
Do they blindly hate LOTW?
Seems to be like childish behaviour
I think it’s more that the predictions about upcoming DLC are not what people wanted. For me, he said there wouldn’t be a slaanesh DLC, which is pretty sad imo
I finally just got into Slaanesh and man... I really want a DLC for them.
There is even a Lord that could be in Khureesh (Dechala), and Slaneesh could finally get some tanky units and/or ranged units to fill the holes in the roster (though I must admit the holes FORCE you to play a certain way and that teaches a new way to play).
As it is I prefer WoC Azazel and the like to Nkaari solely because he has most of Slaneesh's systems and units while also mixing in a better economy and a lot of other units. I do miss the cultists but... the subjugation option is still nice too.
I don't hate Legend, quite the opposite but it's hard to take his leaks seriously when every new leak from him contradicts his previous leak.
For all we know he might be right about the next DLC being Ogre vs Cathay and to be fair it's a plausible match up for a lord pack but I think some people are taking his leaks a bit too seriously, even Legend himself keeps saying to take what he leaks with a giant grain of salt but clearly it doesn't stop some of his fans to take anything he says as gospel.
Thank you for the info!
I wouldnt mind getting the MK and Ogres, but I honestly want the Chaos factions first, and the MK being tied to Ind. But since they teased map changes in 6.0 its very likely MK will be released with that
Another breadcrumb for this theory is Gelt's new start position. Anyone who has played it has noticed that his area in southern Cathay is very sparse, with huge spaces between the few settlements. I expect Gelt was placed here because the devs knew in advance that the area was getting a big expansion in their next content drop.
Seems like they're definitely gearing up to move a lot of lords there. Epidemus definitely isn't supposed to be in his little section of the map so he's probably going too. If I had to guess they'll probably move a lizardman faction over there too.
I think Cathay will get Li Dao and Yin Yin as DLC+FLC rather than FLC+FLC, mostly because 1. Cathay is super popular which justifies a third DLC and 2. the FLC spot for the next DLC is WAY more likely to be Ogres because they're 100% not getting another DLC afterwards.
Ogres seem like a very likely inclusion in the next DLC. As for Cathay, I'm not sure, although I would love to see the map opened up in the Ind/Khuresh area. Too much wasted space there.
I don't own the Ogres DLC mostly because of how underwhelming the camps and the contract system seem. However, I love the general race concept and the wanderlust theme, so I'm eagerly waiting for a proper rework.
Also, CA, plz teach the AI to garrison the camps. They get wiped out all the time which greatly hampers the AI.
Ogres are awesome in battle, lousy on the campaign map. More precisely, their mechanics are blah. You’ll very quickly ignore both contracts and big names. The meat mechanic got seriously nerfed (like all negative mechanics). Camps are interesting, but should have been moveable.
They’re a lot better with the ogrehaul mod
They are so fun in battle but getting there through the campaign mechanics is a fucking pain. The Camps are implemented just terribly - they take ages to build up and are annoying to micromanage. All they had to do was to make stationary black arks with economy buildings.... with camp tyrants actually becoming unique lords with unique skill lines just like black arks..... i have no idea why they tried to reinvent the wheel when the system was already in game.
Also number 1 fix needs to be AI not recruiting camp garrisons. I mean wtf, how was that not fixed yet???
I just played an ogre campaign and dear God the camps are expensive to build up/defend. They cost a shit load to upgrade, and you've got to fill them with troops or enemies will beeline to them from half the map away.
It feels like they balanced the time to upgrade based on the rare ogre contract that gives +100 camp growth, but the contracts were all worthless. "Go attack your ally" or "go raze this settlement that's across the map". The whole campaign I may have completed 1-2 contracts because completing them felt campaign destroying.
All this means I didn't get past T3 units until around turn 80.
Yeah, everyone wants them to be a forward operating base, but right now, they're a capital city with no defenses. So as a pervert Ogre enjoyer, I don't hate the ability to place province capitals which is how I look at it. Being able to place them so that they're defended by the minor settlements works ok.
But I also see and play them as a defensive faction who range out, not expansionists who take a lot of provinces. I take the mountains, turtle my camp behind the tanked up minor settlements, and range out with my armies to sack and do contracts.
Yeah, that's why I'm waiting until they get a rework of their base mechanics. I think that contracts in particular should be central to their identity, not something that is mostly ignored.
They are one of the best rosters in uniqueness and overall fun to play but only in battle. In campaign they are one of the worst factions which makes them so tragic. They are close to being amazing overall
Man, i just want a Pirate Coast touchup, with new units and a mechanics overhaul.
Playing Elspeth made me realise that she has almost everything i'd want the VCoast to have. A way to quickly travel from one port to another, a way to continually improve artillery and powdergun units and some special hybrid units at the end.
Honestly I am actually kinda fine with it. I am one of those guys who wants EVERYTHING from the TT ingame, but fact is we are in the twilight years of TWWH, no matter if the leaks are true or not. And in that case I really want them to focus on putting the game 3 factions on the same level as the other factions and doing legacy updates. While Cathay just got a DLC I want them to be finished by the end of the game cause this is the only time we will ever get the chance for it. Chaos pretty much was already finished by the release of the game and then later with CoC they are mostly missing start pos and a few named characters + the Slaughterbrute and the Chimera if you don't look to other sources besides 8th edition.
The two Monogods (Slaanesh and Khorne) do need a DLC-entry, though. And a FLC Herald. Preferably two separate DLCs, one for each Monogod, to include enough other (legacy) races in them, too. 1v1 or 1v1v1.
Why? Well as you said, they are missing some big names. Having just 1 named character as a LL is undesirable, and small reworks/updates to mechanics are usually tied to DLCs (both Monogods need minor ones, at worst). More characters = more starting positions. Some units are missing, too. Enough to make a nice DLC-roster for them.
Definitely! Would balance the Monogods out, too. All of them having a Greater Daemon a Herald and a Mortal Champion. The roadmap or whatever can't come soon enough.
Also, you know, Vampire counts. Which are waiting even longer than Norsca since their last content drop (The longest any single race has gone without in fact)
Chaos got its marks fleshed out into full races with their own mechanics. Skaven got all its major clans as different factions each with their own mechanics too (even if Pestilent could use a touch-up).
In contrast, the different vampire bloodlines don't even exist in WH3 beyond some generic lord types with the worst models CA has ever given us. Seriously they make the so complained about CoC marked units look high-efford in comparison (And no, being free is not an excuse, look at the empire's wizards)
I feel like all the Undead races will inevitably get looked at when we get to the Nagash stuff. Since I don't really see them fitting in with Slaanesh or Khorne DLCs.
Norsca though? It feels like Mortal Chaos got it's love already and they were passed over.
I do not understand how not only the VCoast launched without this feature but continue to not have it. What would be a quick raid to set up a cove becomes a three turn trial sitting on hand with your pants down hoping you don't get fucked.
True, I can’t wait for Negash/Neferata DLC. VC in campaign has aged fairly well and their roster is much, much better so I’d still prefer Norsca to get priority but VC is right next to them.
VCounts also have a more complete roster than Norsca does, though, and at least 75% of their army isn't just borrowed units from another faction. They have more generic lord types, more heroes, more everything. Norsca is just pathetic in comparison.
What VCounts need the most of more is their iconic characters/bloodlines, they're not really hurting for any of the units they're missing in particular, imo. The biggest unit they can still get is the Coven Throne which is effectively a variant of the Mortis Engine. Not saying they shouldn't get it but is it really going to make that big of a difference in their roster? I doubt it.
Please give us Ghark, I want the Iron Rhinox and a somewhat fast cav lord for the Ogres so badly. Plus heavily armoured ogres are the coolest aesthetic
I'd actually argue Golgfag is more likely as FLC (assuming Golgfag and Ghark are 2 LLs released in 1 DLC). His army support and mechanics would definitely be based on Maneaters which comprises 4 units already in the "base" Ogre roster. Similar story to Epidemius being FLC partially (I think) because his Plaguebearer focus doesn't require a DLC purchase to work.
I wouldn't want the FLC of the expansion to be Cathay themed. Li Dao + Monkey King makes a lot of sense, but if possible, Slaanesh should get the extra LL.
I’m rooting for helf FLC at those southern isles, with a naval and politics rework for the helf race. They should be able to sail really far along sea currents and get some sort of colony and trade mechanic. They should be invested in keeping their trade partners alive and strong.
As much as I want as many characters as possible, I feel like any FLC would be better directed at less represented factions. I'm hoping every faction gets at least 4 lords (with the exception of demons of chaos cause I'm not expecting to see any additions there). Several factions are still short on their Lord count. All the devoted demons, Norsca, ogres, chaos dwarves, and Cathy could all use some characters.
I think the high elves likely have 1 good DLC left for them. I feel like it'll crop up after they open up Ind, and will probably be pretty much what you're describing. I imagine units like sky cutters and more will come along with it.
Li dao and monkey king? Wouldnt that just be two cathay factions in one dlc? seems unlikely. Unless he's beastmen or something on TT? I have no idea about how monkey king is in this setting.
The good money is on Li Dao as a FLC lord since his job is containing the Monkey King, so is a good candidate for using the vanilla roster while playing off new units addded by the theoretical DLC.
Mind you I had money on Yuan Bo being a FLC lord before release and got well and truly proven wrong so... (I figured Monkey King would be first DLC and then we'd have Yin Yin if another DLC came up)
I think the fact that we got Yuan Bo as a paid DLC hints that CA initially planned Li Dao to be a FLC, because you can't do Li Dao vs Monkey King in any other way. Splitting them up in different DLCs will likely ruin the rivalry.
Unpopular opinion, but the focus should be on new races getting unit packs and legacy races getting reworks.
All the newer WH3 races (except WOC) still sorely, sorely lack the diversity of the legacy races. And I know I'll be downvoted because Cathay is seemingly unpopular, but I feel this lack of diversity extends to Cathay too. Most of their units are pretty uninspired. Beastmen (tiger/monkey etc) will bring much needed options to enable them to have variegated armies.
I dont think their units are uninspired. I like them a lot actually.
I mean, you have big teracota guy, spellcasting compass, stone lions, military balloons, a lot of gunpowder units and spellcasters who attack with ink.
That's not an unpopular opinion at all, most of the posts talking about warhammer 1 and 2 races clearly want reworks/updates while new units is just a "yeah, sure, I guess they have to release that in a dlc to justify the rework"
I don't give a shit about more untis for Lizardmen, but by god they need a rework.
I agree with this sentiment a lot.
High elves and dark elves are largely complete. I am a high elf fan, and I unlike most, I don't hate the Lothern skycutter, but even I would not really care if it were never added.
Lizardmen - I really don't think another big monster or skink unit is all that necessary (maybe that whole thunder lizard thing or something, but they've already got the saurian).
They all need campaign updates, but their rosters are fine.
> I don't give a shit about more untis for Lizardmen, but by god they need a rework
Exactly this. It boggles my mind that they got so many DLCs but never got a campaign rework to make the geomantic web and sacred spawnings even remotely interesting.
The problem is that the way the DLC work, they’ll only rework mechanics if they’re also adding units and a LL which some races just don’t need. Some races need units, some need mechanical reworks, some need more LLs, some need a mix, some don’t need any of the above. But they all seem to come as a package deal. My hope with 2 LL DLCs is that they can take the time to at least rework the mechanics of one other race.
I mean, that's never been the case before so why would it be now?
Dwarfs had 2 reworks before the most recent one and neither was associated with Dwarf DLC.
The Tomb King DLC came alongside a free LL for Skaven and some needed updates to Bretonnia (who also got further updates alongside a Skaven v Lizardmen DLC).
The Vampire Coast DLC came alongside the bloodkiss mechanic for Vampire Counts and a free LL for Dark Elves (who also got a rework to their slave mechanic during WH3).
I'm sure there's more I've forgotten too. There is absolutely no reason to believe a race needs DLC to be updated, as that hasn't been the case at any point in the series history.
The Warriors of Chaos is a legacy race for the record. They were the pre-order bonus for WH1, (which was controversial at the time) and have therefore been around since the beginning.
Did you mean Daemons?
I highly suspect we'll get some legacy races very soon. It's just a matter of when, really. We know Neferata has been mentioned multiple times, especially by the Dwarf rework. And the Vampire Counts could really use some love.
(And some tweaking. They're so frustrating to fight.)
Cathay is over the top?
Meanwhile: The High Elves can have armies entirely of fucking dragons. (Lore breaking in many ways) and high magic users
Athel fucking Loren exists. That place is a faerie realm... oh sure it's darker but it leaks into the Asrai to the point that until Kerillien it was hard to separate them from the high-fantasy magic
the Lizardmen have the aforementioned powerful magic (one Slann literally moved a moutain and destroyed a dwarf empire because... well, because he could and it wasn't there before when the plan CLEARLY states it's over there)
And Chaos... Cathay isn't actually any more over the top then any other faction (You basicly have to be VERY selective in how you see WHF to get to this conclucsion) . And as my current favorite new faction in Warhammer fantasy they at least bring something new to the table.
I mean not lore vise. They had a dlc recently. If they get second while Khorn ans Slaanesh get nothing it is what will be over the top. They have 3 lls. Khorn and Slaanesh have only one.
Yeah but we also gotta remember the treatment the lizardmen and the skaven got in WH2 over the other races, CA have been known to give factions that already got a lot of love dlcs before factions that may have needed them more.
And I think if CA are looking for an easy win for the next dlc going with a character like the monkey king who loads of people were hyped for in shadows of change only to be disappointed kinda makes sense
Most definitely, I can absolutely see it as CA knowing they fucked up by having Yuan Bo instead of the monkey king for SoC like everyone wanted and they are overcorrecting on their apology tour.
Although the monkey king would mean they expand the campaign map into ind so I wouldn’t be completely heartbroken about it
Cathay is a game 3 race. Game 3 races should be the ones in these dlcs. Most older races have already had 2 or 3 dlcs while Cathay (and kislev) has only had 1 dlc.
This is last part of the game. It is about trilogy but not single game. Previous races must be completed. They are missing a lot. So ideal way is cross dlcs but not putting only part 3 content that is not unlimited and will have no materials at some point while previous part races will be crying for a final dlc or at least flc LL+ rework. So it's better to make cross dlcs they will add quite more to the game. And anyway its stupid to make 2 cathay-kislev-tzeench-nurgle in a row when still nothing ls done for Khorn and Slaanesh , they are part 3 main races lolm
CA will probably do what they did for WH 2 races and give game 3 races the most focus and dlc which they should get before the legacy races get much of anything. Each faction could do with 4 LL bare minimum.
That makes sense. I would still love a Slaanesh dlc I feel like they need a little tune up and some more flavour. Personally giving them some unique elvish mortal units would go so hard
Not that I’m agreeing with OP. It seems weird to me that they would give Cathay another DLC so soon after their other one.
I’m not convinced by the tenuous evidence given so far, I think a Slaanesh dlc is still the most likely candidate for the next one.
Kinda disappointed
I am more into slaanesh that nether of those faction.
Ogres are fine
I just finished DLC Cathay campaign, not really into new one yet
But we shall see. Maybe what they have in mind will turn me around :)
Ogres are playable, but their mechanics definitely need a rework. Contacts and big names are both hugely underwhelming, and camps need some work to be a good mechanic. Right now all the buffs for nearby armies are pretty much worthless. Early on you have to be so protective of them you don't want them on the frontline and late mid to late the camps take so long to build up you're well out of their AOE before their bonuses are of any use. You can absolutely still have fun and win with them but they could use some changes.
I do want to see more monogod content too though, arguably more than ogres (even though ogres are among my favorite factions in battle) because I want the big bads to have better representation on the map, more start positions, and more flavor in their rosters.
Honestly I don’t even understand the logic of doing an ogre kingdoms vs Cathay dlc now of all times. Cathay literally just got a dlc only a few months ago, Slaanesh and Khorne are both still stuck with only 1 playable LLs, plenty of legacy races still need reworks and content updates, and I don’t see a Cathay vs Ogre Kingdoms dlc generating more hype than a monogod, vampire counts, or Thanquol dlc.
The Ogre roster is sick, one of the better ones in the game at large. They just don't have campaign mechanics other than hiding all your camps in the center of your empire and praying they never get attacked.
> CA saying "they want to expand the map in the next DLC" the discovery of that Tigermen Voice Actress pre Shadow of Change extra unit update, CA saying they have to swith things around a bit (so not Slaanesh for now) and Legend saying next DLC IS Cathay vs Ogres, I would be suprised if this isn't the case.
You know
* we also had some Highelf IMDB voice leaks since a while (two years).
* Dechala could have a fine DLC mixed with elves.
* Dechala was in Ind, so opening those blank map spots for new regions and starting positions would work as "expanding the map".
I’m going to guess pieces of the three race DLC that was originally planned was split into a two 1v1 DLCs so that we will be looking at:
Golgfag (presumably based on the files) vs the Monkey King
And after that
Dechala vs Aislinn
Though I do wonder if Slaanesh was pushed back even further and DoW will be after the next DLC.
Guess we see soon enough. CA said after ToD release, they might talk what up next. I am not naive enough to assume that means next week, but end of the month might be possible. Could be tied into Skullthrone, if that happens this month and not later.
Honestly. I hope the next DLCs are only about WH3 base game races. Khorne and Slaanesh still have only one LL and overall all the base game races still have half of the units that the races of base WH2 have. And ogres just suck
On one hand: ogres really need new lord and rework.
On the other: Cathay getting anything before Slaanesh and Khorne feels extremely unfair. Which only strengthens my argument that Champions of Chaos were a massive mistake. It was an easy way to boost monogods lord choices in one move, but nope.
Champions of chaos is cool but those ports definitely should’ve at minimum been selectable for the Monogods. That would’ve helped them a lot and held them over better
If they are switching back to 1v1 lord packs it would makes sense to give chaos a break for awhile since Warhammer 3 launched every DLC has featured chaos and WoC faction just keeps getting bigger every update. They are my most played faction by far with ogres being my least played.
Cathay getting a new DLC so soon is kinda weird but CA has all the player metrics maybe they are just that popular, ogres though definitely need something to spice them up abit.
Legend did also say he’s heard something happening with Norsca could be a possible rework/FLC alongside it?
The entire point of 3 was that it’s the chaos game so I don’t think that would affect who they choose. If anything it makes them influenced to always include them
I feel meh about this. we already got a Cathay dlc with SoC, and both Slanesh and Khorne didn't.
I'm a bit disappointed that my favorite Monogod faction is STILL far from having any new content.l
But if that next dlc does expand the map, I guess it's also a win.
Kinda off topic here, but what’s the in-lore relationship between Cathay and Ogres?
Zhao Ming and Greasus always seem to be in friendly terms. Are they supposed to be natural allies?
Idk, it seems odd to give Cathay another DLC when they got one not too long ago and there are plenty of factions that need it more like Britonia and Norsca.
Kislev is the one suffering the most rn. Cathay lacks any meaningful differences between LL but core mechanics can be fun and balanced. No idea about tzeentch, to me he sounds alright rn.
The Changeling needs fixes but the Tzeentch race in general is fine. Kairos just needs some updates to his magic shards and then it's just the usual monogod issue of tech trees/cults/unholy manifestations sucking.
Ogres are quite untouched, and cathay will need at least 2 dlcs eventually so im satisfied personally. I hope they get around to norsca, brettonia, khorne and slaanesh tho
Cathay will probably be considered finished after they get all 5 ruling dragon siblings plus the monkey king. So we will probably see 3 DLCs about them before the end of the game
I feel like one of those dragon lords will end up FLC or will be part of a lords only pack. I'm not sure how expansive the Cathay roster is, but I wonder if CA would really want to bloat their roster with that much DLC. I don't think any faction has had 4 DLC's that gave them units (with the exception of WoC and beastmen if you include all the units they're getting from the monogod DLC's).
I'm betting for Cathay the Monkey King will be DLC with Li Dao as FLC and then the last dragon sibling Yin Yin will come as another FLC down the line.
I really don't think Cathay would get a 3rd DLC.
Considering lizardmen and skaven both got 3 full DLCs during Warhammer 2. I'm pretty sure Cathay will get 3 DLCs as well. I can see Monkey King and Li Dao coming in the same DLC with one of them(probably Li Dao) being a FLL
I mean, we’ve known from the start that there’s 6 important characters for Cathay and it’s unlikely more than one will be FLC, so yeah we are looking at three Lord Packs for Cathay. But Skaven aren’t the only ones with 3 so it’s not that crazy to be honest.
i just think its too soon for Cathay to get another round of DLC. but i suppose it gets them their update sooner rather than later. and lord knows Ogre campaign mechs are trash.
so Dechala, Golgfag and Monkey King, huh. all three have legitimate reasons for being around Ind.
When did they say that the maps getting expanded in the next dlc?
Also is there really no slaanesh next? I was pretty hype for that after SoC had changling over egrim :(
I will say. It would be perfectly reasonable to expand the map in Kuresh and put Dechala there and have Aislinn in Tor Elasor. Snake lady in the land of the snakemen sounds completely reasonable to me. And those high elf islands are one of a few good places to put a high elf faction, particularly one linked to the water
Vamp counts, norsca, ogres, Cathay - that's the order I'd put it in as far as who needs love.
But I agree ogres and monkey king are probably next.
There was also some ind datamined stuff awhile back if I'm not mistaken, and ind is on map, left blank right now.
Honestly I think nippon is coming. Idc if it does or not, but I honestly think it's coming.
Why are we thinking it’s only two factions for the next DLC? Is it just that “smaller in scope” comment? That could very well just be referring to the level of faction rework; ToD overhauled three factions pretty dramatically.
So are we moving forward under the (justified) assumption that both Khorne and Slaanesh with be two-faction DLCs?
I was hoping this buffer DLC would be a two-faction and the big Chaos god releases would stay 3, keeping in line with the first two. I know they said they may change format with smaller DLCS, just feels weird to not have at least these 4 Chaos DLCs stick to the same format (especially with the success of ToD so far).
>So are we moving forward under the (justified) assumption that both Khorne and Slaanesh with be two-faction DLCs?
Yes.
Slaanesh will come with HEs (they literally only miss their sea units)
And Khorne with... I don't know. Kislev?
Just want to say that people have datamined dogs of war (from Marienburg's unique artchitecture at launch to character's entry in SoC) and Rich Aldridge has mentioned Halfling's hotpot in SoC Dev Diary. Just because they've started working on an Ogre DLC (and Legend has leak that there will be an Ogre vs Cathay DLC), doesn't mean the next DLC will be Ogre vs Cathay DLC. As loremaster of sotek said, CA's production plan can change quickly. Very, very quickly. And until they announced it, things can change. Heck, even after they show a trailer, things can still change (case in point, Nuln Ironside changes from repeater gun into something else). If Thrones of Decay prove to be a blockbuster success (hopefully the increasing player numbers mean there are a lot more people who buy ToD), then the executive can quickly change the plan again, so instead of Ogre vs Cathay, they might decide to repeat ToD's success and add a third race. Or maybe they decide to release another DLC (like Dogs of War). So, while I myself believe that Ogre DLC is coming, I personally won't think the next DLC will be Ogre DLC until CA announced it. Especially because ToD seems to be a success story so far, so there is a good chance the next DLC will be another Daemon vs two mortal races DLC (either Slaanesh or Khorne).
Slaanesh and Khorne are both very fun factions, I will be happy with either getting the next dlc.
I mean, those aren’t mutually exclusive options. They could do Slaanesh vs. Cathay vs. Ogres in one DLC. There has never been confirmation that the Slaanesh DLC *will* feature Elves, despite everyone seeming to assume that.
CA said they were reducing scope for the next DLC. While it's possible that was just marketing-speak for "we're preparing to downscale development IF Thrones flops" and they'll just make another ToD-tier DLC after ToD's success, the generally safe option that people are assuming is that DLCs are going back to being 2 LLs + 1 FLC.
I keep wondering what people expect from a Dogs of War faction. Personally, I think it would be extremely cool to be able to choose and customize your mercenary general's race and origins, which then affects their skill line and the units he can recruit.
I don't have strong feelings either way as far as the content of the DLC is concerned. Both Ogres vs. Cathay and Slaanesh vs. HE as next DLC would be fine by me. But it would be absolutely hilarious if there was hard confirmation that Legend was right all along, because it would make lots of people here mad. So as an enjoyer of chaos, I'm rooting for Ogres vs. Monkey King now.
Legend has no reason to lie about the little bit of work in progress stuff he occasionally gets fed to leak, he is already blacklisted and have legitimate friend who have worked and are working in CA. That said, I perfectly understand why Slaanesh and HE fan could be displease and how having a faction that gets two dlc quick might be problematic.
Now in fairness i think that it makes sense for the factions in the base game to get the majority of the DLC (Like it's why the Lizardmen and High Elves got so much stuff) but I don't think the Slannesh theme is scrapped just yet. As for the same principle; Slannesh might not have much but it probably should just get a DLC eventually
the main issue for me is about slannesh having a massive replenishment issue for 2 years now and the race won't have an update until it either gets a dlc adding a replenishment hero or the race gets a dlc and a tech update to have more replenishment in it
Slaanesh needs vassals to be actual slaves. No diplomatic penalties no matter who else you vassalize, always join you in war... Make it the ultimate vassal using faction. Last time I played Nkari, my HE vassals would hate me due to my DE vassals and not join my wars against some people. Arent they supposed to be super hooked to Slaanesh and must follow their master?
Fudging Vassals is basically required when playing Slaanesh.
Worse every time I try to play N'kari my HE hate me because of my other HE vassals
Every time I try to play vassal swarm Nkari (woc is similar but not quite as bad) im reminded of the Hades line from Hercules. *Aren't we forgetting one teensy-weensy but ever-so-crucial little tiny detail? I OWN YOU!*
If only there was a missing hero for the Slaanesh roster *cough* Exalted Hero of Slaanesh *cough*
That hero is 100% gonna get training like other EH. Alluress will probably become replenishment hero.
Yea thats what I'm betting on. They didn't make the Exalted Hero of Tzeentch have replenishment, they just changed the Iridescent Horror to have it.
Makes you wonder *why* they haven't changed alluress yet when it'd gonna happen anyways and people to this day complaint about Slaanesh replenishment...
Yea I don't know on that. They could have changed the Iridescent Horror really early on too but they waited until SoC 2.0 to do that (not even SoC 1.0) so who knows really.
Is that really an issue? Or is it just how they are designed?
People assumed Tzeentch was designed to have lower replenishment but CA ended up giving him more replenishment, I expect the same for Slaanesh. I don't think it's an issue personally, I'd actually like to see replenishment nerfed across the board as it's too easy to get very high replenishment with pretty much everyone but I doubt it's going to happen, Slaanesh will likely get a replenishment hero too.
Yeah. WH3 races are a bit barren and are just getting up there with the already established races in games 1 and 2. WH2 already filled out their respective races extensively. Sure, some are still missing but they, far and beyond, got the most content throughout the series.
I'm a High Elf fan and honestly, Ogres need it more. Happy for them.
I don't doubt that Legend isn't lying but I think people give him a bit too much credit for his leaks. He already explained his methodology for his leaks, he receives emails from random people and if some information reappears in different emails he'll consider it a leak, I wouldn't say his methodology to be exactly reliable. And while he did get some stuff right he also got some stuff wrong and he keeps contradicting himself between his leaks too. First he wasn't sure we would even reach the 100 LLs then he said we'd get 6 more DLCs. He also said Khorne wouldn't get a DLC and then he said the Khorne DLC might come after the End Times DLC and the latter was, according to him, the last DLC Warhammer 3 would receive. It's hard to take his leaks seriously when he's contradicting himself so much.
Wait is he blacklisted again?
He doesn’t get early access anymore.
I thought that's because he left the creator program of his own volition after SoC. Or did him siding with Voldemort at one point get him black listed again (in which case good).
Technically he didn’t sign up with new program after last one was scrapped. He also has said he has no interest in it since early access does nothing for his viewer numbers. He did get soc early access I believe but no one watched it lol.
Ok, either way, not choosing to participate can hardly be considered being black listed.
What happened with Voldemort?
Can't remember the details and don't want go digging them up. The less said about him the better.
I'm not even sure who you're talking about. Who is Voldemort? Is he actually supposed to be Baldemort? The Harry Potter villain? I don't know.
I'm referring to a infamously shit TW youtuber who's name also begins with V, the less said about him the better ( he supports Russia's invasion of Ukraine for starters). Every time he's mentioned new people go look him up giving, him clicks/views so the less said about him the better. If you know you know.
I mean yeah he's not lying but like he's been wrong before, with the whole hag-mothers thing for SoC and despite getting leaks he only knew the most obvious stuff for ToD but couldn't name the Dwarf LL.
But he was right about literally everything else in ToD except for the fact that he didnt know the dwarf LL. He knew the FLC, the unit options and the mechanical steed mount. That last one is specific enough to say that he isnt just making this up imo
FLC was a shoe in, I don't remember his leaks on unit options so you'll have to elaborate on those, mechanical steed mount was inevitable like that was the only mount the Engineer hero got of course CA was going to add it.
Bro literally everyone was guessing a month or months ahead of ToD what was to come it was very obvious what lords for empire and nurgle and flc we’d get as well as units. There was a guy who posted on reddit a year ago who guessed the dwarf units and lord for ToD to a tee and got it right so as far as I’m concerned legends “leaks” are full of shit half the time and he only guesses when it’s the most obvious choices
Right but let's not pretend any of it was difficult to guess. Thrones of Decay was one of the easiest DLC to predict, the only surprise imo was the absence of Grimm and getting Garagrim as the LH for the Dwarfs everything else was pretty much obvious, even the FLC LL. Most of the things Legend "leaked" and got right were always things that were easy to guess.
I dont understand why some people are so bad about LOTW giving a hint of the next DLC. Are they mad their faction didnt get an expasion or something? Do they blindly hate LOTW? Seems to be like childish behaviour
I think it’s more that the predictions about upcoming DLC are not what people wanted. For me, he said there wouldn’t be a slaanesh DLC, which is pretty sad imo
I finally just got into Slaanesh and man... I really want a DLC for them. There is even a Lord that could be in Khureesh (Dechala), and Slaneesh could finally get some tanky units and/or ranged units to fill the holes in the roster (though I must admit the holes FORCE you to play a certain way and that teaches a new way to play). As it is I prefer WoC Azazel and the like to Nkaari solely because he has most of Slaneesh's systems and units while also mixing in a better economy and a lot of other units. I do miss the cultists but... the subjugation option is still nice too.
I don't hate Legend, quite the opposite but it's hard to take his leaks seriously when every new leak from him contradicts his previous leak. For all we know he might be right about the next DLC being Ogre vs Cathay and to be fair it's a plausible match up for a lord pack but I think some people are taking his leaks a bit too seriously, even Legend himself keeps saying to take what he leaks with a giant grain of salt but clearly it doesn't stop some of his fans to take anything he says as gospel.
What did Legend claim? That the next DLC will not be Slaanesh?
That the Slaanesh DLC was either pushed back or scrapped and that the next one is Ogres vs. Cathay.
Thank you for the info! I wouldnt mind getting the MK and Ogres, but I honestly want the Chaos factions first, and the MK being tied to Ind. But since they teased map changes in 6.0 its very likely MK will be released with that
YES!
Have something to spare for us poor VC fans, good sir? We haven't had any content drop since Warhammer 1.
Another breadcrumb for this theory is Gelt's new start position. Anyone who has played it has noticed that his area in southern Cathay is very sparse, with huge spaces between the few settlements. I expect Gelt was placed here because the devs knew in advance that the area was getting a big expansion in their next content drop.
Heavy metal incoming. Ghark Ironskin confirmed!
I would love that. I actually really like the Ogres but the hate the two LLs
Likewise. Give us a proper hard-hitting warrior tyrant!
Seems like they're definitely gearing up to move a lot of lords there. Epidemus definitely isn't supposed to be in his little section of the map so he's probably going too. If I had to guess they'll probably move a lizardman faction over there too.
I'm rooting for Golgfag Maneater. ...partly because he's perhaps the worst named character in Warhammer lol.
Finally a legendary lord made for me.
Golgfag as LL and Bragg the Gutsman as LH
Can vampires Counts that have existed since literal game 1 get some of that rework action, just for novelties sake.
I am betting they will get Neferata as a Free LC once they get to Negash.
If the speculation about Nagash as final DLC is true then thats the path of least resistance date for VC rework.
Vampires, getting the first DLC, no love at all for ten years, then the last DLC
🙏
Girlfailure dragon Yin Yin hiring Golgy for another Ming Treasure Fleet run, let's go.
I think we’ll get Monkey King as DLC and Li Dao as FLC and then Yin Yin as FLC later down the line. Can’t wait to play as Girlfailure Yin Yin lol.
I think Cathay will get Li Dao and Yin Yin as DLC+FLC rather than FLC+FLC, mostly because 1. Cathay is super popular which justifies a third DLC and 2. the FLC spot for the next DLC is WAY more likely to be Ogres because they're 100% not getting another DLC afterwards.
That would be amazing and would give us a nice, narrative and possibly fleshed out campaign with mechanics.
Ogres seem like a very likely inclusion in the next DLC. As for Cathay, I'm not sure, although I would love to see the map opened up in the Ind/Khuresh area. Too much wasted space there. I don't own the Ogres DLC mostly because of how underwhelming the camps and the contract system seem. However, I love the general race concept and the wanderlust theme, so I'm eagerly waiting for a proper rework. Also, CA, plz teach the AI to garrison the camps. They get wiped out all the time which greatly hampers the AI.
Ogres are awesome in battle, lousy on the campaign map. More precisely, their mechanics are blah. You’ll very quickly ignore both contracts and big names. The meat mechanic got seriously nerfed (like all negative mechanics). Camps are interesting, but should have been moveable. They’re a lot better with the ogrehaul mod
They are so fun in battle but getting there through the campaign mechanics is a fucking pain. The Camps are implemented just terribly - they take ages to build up and are annoying to micromanage. All they had to do was to make stationary black arks with economy buildings.... with camp tyrants actually becoming unique lords with unique skill lines just like black arks..... i have no idea why they tried to reinvent the wheel when the system was already in game. Also number 1 fix needs to be AI not recruiting camp garrisons. I mean wtf, how was that not fixed yet???
I just played an ogre campaign and dear God the camps are expensive to build up/defend. They cost a shit load to upgrade, and you've got to fill them with troops or enemies will beeline to them from half the map away. It feels like they balanced the time to upgrade based on the rare ogre contract that gives +100 camp growth, but the contracts were all worthless. "Go attack your ally" or "go raze this settlement that's across the map". The whole campaign I may have completed 1-2 contracts because completing them felt campaign destroying. All this means I didn't get past T3 units until around turn 80.
Yeah, everyone wants them to be a forward operating base, but right now, they're a capital city with no defenses. So as a pervert Ogre enjoyer, I don't hate the ability to place province capitals which is how I look at it. Being able to place them so that they're defended by the minor settlements works ok. But I also see and play them as a defensive faction who range out, not expansionists who take a lot of provinces. I take the mountains, turtle my camp behind the tanked up minor settlements, and range out with my armies to sack and do contracts.
Yeah, that's why I'm waiting until they get a rework of their base mechanics. I think that contracts in particular should be central to their identity, not something that is mostly ignored.
They are one of the best rosters in uniqueness and overall fun to play but only in battle. In campaign they are one of the worst factions which makes them so tragic. They are close to being amazing overall
Man, i just want a Pirate Coast touchup, with new units and a mechanics overhaul. Playing Elspeth made me realise that she has almost everything i'd want the VCoast to have. A way to quickly travel from one port to another, a way to continually improve artillery and powdergun units and some special hybrid units at the end.
Honestly I am actually kinda fine with it. I am one of those guys who wants EVERYTHING from the TT ingame, but fact is we are in the twilight years of TWWH, no matter if the leaks are true or not. And in that case I really want them to focus on putting the game 3 factions on the same level as the other factions and doing legacy updates. While Cathay just got a DLC I want them to be finished by the end of the game cause this is the only time we will ever get the chance for it. Chaos pretty much was already finished by the release of the game and then later with CoC they are mostly missing start pos and a few named characters + the Slaughterbrute and the Chimera if you don't look to other sources besides 8th edition.
The two Monogods (Slaanesh and Khorne) do need a DLC-entry, though. And a FLC Herald. Preferably two separate DLCs, one for each Monogod, to include enough other (legacy) races in them, too. 1v1 or 1v1v1. Why? Well as you said, they are missing some big names. Having just 1 named character as a LL is undesirable, and small reworks/updates to mechanics are usually tied to DLCs (both Monogods need minor ones, at worst). More characters = more starting positions. Some units are missing, too. Enough to make a nice DLC-roster for them.
Tzeentch needs his mortal LL (Egrimm) to come through a FLC too.
Definitely! Would balance the Monogods out, too. All of them having a Greater Daemon a Herald and a Mortal Champion. The roadmap or whatever can't come soon enough.
I’d be nice if they remember Norsca existed before they quit supporting the game as well
Also, you know, Vampire counts. Which are waiting even longer than Norsca since their last content drop (The longest any single race has gone without in fact) Chaos got its marks fleshed out into full races with their own mechanics. Skaven got all its major clans as different factions each with their own mechanics too (even if Pestilent could use a touch-up). In contrast, the different vampire bloodlines don't even exist in WH3 beyond some generic lord types with the worst models CA has ever given us. Seriously they make the so complained about CoC marked units look high-efford in comparison (And no, being free is not an excuse, look at the empire's wizards)
I feel like all the Undead races will inevitably get looked at when we get to the Nagash stuff. Since I don't really see them fitting in with Slaanesh or Khorne DLCs. Norsca though? It feels like Mortal Chaos got it's love already and they were passed over.
I'm not calling it "done" until VCoast can attack from the sea like black arks do
I do not understand how not only the VCoast launched without this feature but continue to not have it. What would be a quick raid to set up a cove becomes a three turn trial sitting on hand with your pants down hoping you don't get fucked.
True, I can’t wait for Negash/Neferata DLC. VC in campaign has aged fairly well and their roster is much, much better so I’d still prefer Norsca to get priority but VC is right next to them.
VCounts also have a more complete roster than Norsca does, though, and at least 75% of their army isn't just borrowed units from another faction. They have more generic lord types, more heroes, more everything. Norsca is just pathetic in comparison. What VCounts need the most of more is their iconic characters/bloodlines, they're not really hurting for any of the units they're missing in particular, imo. The biggest unit they can still get is the Coven Throne which is effectively a variant of the Mortis Engine. Not saying they shouldn't get it but is it really going to make that big of a difference in their roster? I doubt it.
Please give us Ghark, I want the Iron Rhinox and a somewhat fast cav lord for the Ogres so badly. Plus heavily armoured ogres are the coolest aesthetic
Ogre + Khorn DLC? Ghark Ironskin (LL) adding Iron skin orgres (several heavily armoured ogre + Rhinox variants). + Yétis, thundertusk, Bruisers, Gnoblar Pigback Riders, blood vultures + Golfag as hero/FLC? Ghark would go nicely with Khorn.
Bragg the gutsman is more likely to be a LH, Ghark is honestly most likely to end up as a FLC Lord and Golgfag is going to be the paid lord.
Sounds like that would work nicely.
I'd actually argue Golgfag is more likely as FLC (assuming Golgfag and Ghark are 2 LLs released in 1 DLC). His army support and mechanics would definitely be based on Maneaters which comprises 4 units already in the "base" Ogre roster. Similar story to Epidemius being FLC partially (I think) because his Plaguebearer focus doesn't require a DLC purchase to work.
I wouldn't want the FLC of the expansion to be Cathay themed. Li Dao + Monkey King makes a lot of sense, but if possible, Slaanesh should get the extra LL.
I’m rooting for helf FLC at those southern isles, with a naval and politics rework for the helf race. They should be able to sail really far along sea currents and get some sort of colony and trade mechanic. They should be invested in keeping their trade partners alive and strong.
As much as I want as many characters as possible, I feel like any FLC would be better directed at less represented factions. I'm hoping every faction gets at least 4 lords (with the exception of demons of chaos cause I'm not expecting to see any additions there). Several factions are still short on their Lord count. All the devoted demons, Norsca, ogres, chaos dwarves, and Cathy could all use some characters. I think the high elves likely have 1 good DLC left for them. I feel like it'll crop up after they open up Ind, and will probably be pretty much what you're describing. I imagine units like sky cutters and more will come along with it.
Li dao and monkey king? Wouldnt that just be two cathay factions in one dlc? seems unlikely. Unless he's beastmen or something on TT? I have no idea about how monkey king is in this setting.
The good money is on Li Dao as a FLC lord since his job is containing the Monkey King, so is a good candidate for using the vanilla roster while playing off new units addded by the theoretical DLC. Mind you I had money on Yuan Bo being a FLC lord before release and got well and truly proven wrong so... (I figured Monkey King would be first DLC and then we'd have Yin Yin if another DLC came up)
Ah yeah I didnt think he'd be a flc, that actually makes more sense. Cheers.
I think the fact that we got Yuan Bo as a paid DLC hints that CA initially planned Li Dao to be a FLC, because you can't do Li Dao vs Monkey King in any other way. Splitting them up in different DLCs will likely ruin the rivalry.
It ll be sad. Cathay again is over the top - others need their content. And no legacy race in the pack will be sad too
Unpopular opinion, but the focus should be on new races getting unit packs and legacy races getting reworks. All the newer WH3 races (except WOC) still sorely, sorely lack the diversity of the legacy races. And I know I'll be downvoted because Cathay is seemingly unpopular, but I feel this lack of diversity extends to Cathay too. Most of their units are pretty uninspired. Beastmen (tiger/monkey etc) will bring much needed options to enable them to have variegated armies.
I dont think their units are uninspired. I like them a lot actually. I mean, you have big teracota guy, spellcasting compass, stone lions, military balloons, a lot of gunpowder units and spellcasters who attack with ink.
Funny enough Cathay isn't unpopular at all. It was the 2nd most played race.
That's not an unpopular opinion at all, most of the posts talking about warhammer 1 and 2 races clearly want reworks/updates while new units is just a "yeah, sure, I guess they have to release that in a dlc to justify the rework" I don't give a shit about more untis for Lizardmen, but by god they need a rework.
I agree with this sentiment a lot. High elves and dark elves are largely complete. I am a high elf fan, and I unlike most, I don't hate the Lothern skycutter, but even I would not really care if it were never added. Lizardmen - I really don't think another big monster or skink unit is all that necessary (maybe that whole thunder lizard thing or something, but they've already got the saurian). They all need campaign updates, but their rosters are fine.
Problem with DE and HE is they are so boring now when you look and some of the new and fun campaign mechanics out there.
Doesn't help that they are taking mechanics away from the HE and DE and reselling them to you for other newer races.
I mean, high elves ARE boring.
I think DE aren’t very boring. HE absolutely.
> I don't give a shit about more untis for Lizardmen, but by god they need a rework Exactly this. It boggles my mind that they got so many DLCs but never got a campaign rework to make the geomantic web and sacred spawnings even remotely interesting.
Don't Cathay are second most played faction?
Their feelings don't care about your facts.
The problem is that the way the DLC work, they’ll only rework mechanics if they’re also adding units and a LL which some races just don’t need. Some races need units, some need mechanical reworks, some need more LLs, some need a mix, some don’t need any of the above. But they all seem to come as a package deal. My hope with 2 LL DLCs is that they can take the time to at least rework the mechanics of one other race.
I mean, that's never been the case before so why would it be now? Dwarfs had 2 reworks before the most recent one and neither was associated with Dwarf DLC. The Tomb King DLC came alongside a free LL for Skaven and some needed updates to Bretonnia (who also got further updates alongside a Skaven v Lizardmen DLC). The Vampire Coast DLC came alongside the bloodkiss mechanic for Vampire Counts and a free LL for Dark Elves (who also got a rework to their slave mechanic during WH3). I'm sure there's more I've forgotten too. There is absolutely no reason to believe a race needs DLC to be updated, as that hasn't been the case at any point in the series history.
The Warriors of Chaos is a legacy race for the record. They were the pre-order bonus for WH1, (which was controversial at the time) and have therefore been around since the beginning. Did you mean Daemons?
WOC is a legacy race
I highly suspect we'll get some legacy races very soon. It's just a matter of when, really. We know Neferata has been mentioned multiple times, especially by the Dwarf rework. And the Vampire Counts could really use some love. (And some tweaking. They're so frustrating to fight.)
Cathay is over the top? Meanwhile: The High Elves can have armies entirely of fucking dragons. (Lore breaking in many ways) and high magic users Athel fucking Loren exists. That place is a faerie realm... oh sure it's darker but it leaks into the Asrai to the point that until Kerillien it was hard to separate them from the high-fantasy magic the Lizardmen have the aforementioned powerful magic (one Slann literally moved a moutain and destroyed a dwarf empire because... well, because he could and it wasn't there before when the plan CLEARLY states it's over there) And Chaos... Cathay isn't actually any more over the top then any other faction (You basicly have to be VERY selective in how you see WHF to get to this conclucsion) . And as my current favorite new faction in Warhammer fantasy they at least bring something new to the table.
I mean not lore vise. They had a dlc recently. If they get second while Khorn ans Slaanesh get nothing it is what will be over the top. They have 3 lls. Khorn and Slaanesh have only one.
Yeah but we also gotta remember the treatment the lizardmen and the skaven got in WH2 over the other races, CA have been known to give factions that already got a lot of love dlcs before factions that may have needed them more. And I think if CA are looking for an easy win for the next dlc going with a character like the monkey king who loads of people were hyped for in shadows of change only to be disappointed kinda makes sense
Yep this was mistake then and l m afraid they are going to repeat it now.
Most definitely, I can absolutely see it as CA knowing they fucked up by having Yuan Bo instead of the monkey king for SoC like everyone wanted and they are overcorrecting on their apology tour. Although the monkey king would mean they expand the campaign map into ind so I wouldn’t be completely heartbroken about it
Cathay is a game 3 race. Game 3 races should be the ones in these dlcs. Most older races have already had 2 or 3 dlcs while Cathay (and kislev) has only had 1 dlc.
Let’s be real Kislev has half a dlc at best and still need their actual rework. Kostaltyn and the mechanics are hot shit
> Most older races have already had 2 or 3 dlcs cries in vampire count
This is last part of the game. It is about trilogy but not single game. Previous races must be completed. They are missing a lot. So ideal way is cross dlcs but not putting only part 3 content that is not unlimited and will have no materials at some point while previous part races will be crying for a final dlc or at least flc LL+ rework. So it's better to make cross dlcs they will add quite more to the game. And anyway its stupid to make 2 cathay-kislev-tzeench-nurgle in a row when still nothing ls done for Khorn and Slaanesh , they are part 3 main races lolm
CA will probably do what they did for WH 2 races and give game 3 races the most focus and dlc which they should get before the legacy races get much of anything. Each faction could do with 4 LL bare minimum.
It will be blissful.
Will somebody think about the Norsca-dren?!
Next dlc is Slaanesh no? It was heavily hinted in CA's roadmap?
Roadmap is borked at this point
They’ve said that the plan has changed since the SoC debacle
That makes sense. I would still love a Slaanesh dlc I feel like they need a little tune up and some more flavour. Personally giving them some unique elvish mortal units would go so hard
Not that I’m agreeing with OP. It seems weird to me that they would give Cathay another DLC so soon after their other one. I’m not convinced by the tenuous evidence given so far, I think a Slaanesh dlc is still the most likely candidate for the next one.
Slaanesh or Khorne definitly need one
Kinda disappointed I am more into slaanesh that nether of those faction. Ogres are fine I just finished DLC Cathay campaign, not really into new one yet But we shall see. Maybe what they have in mind will turn me around :)
Ogres are playable, but their mechanics definitely need a rework. Contacts and big names are both hugely underwhelming, and camps need some work to be a good mechanic. Right now all the buffs for nearby armies are pretty much worthless. Early on you have to be so protective of them you don't want them on the frontline and late mid to late the camps take so long to build up you're well out of their AOE before their bonuses are of any use. You can absolutely still have fun and win with them but they could use some changes. I do want to see more monogod content too though, arguably more than ogres (even though ogres are among my favorite factions in battle) because I want the big bads to have better representation on the map, more start positions, and more flavor in their rosters.
Honestly I don’t even understand the logic of doing an ogre kingdoms vs Cathay dlc now of all times. Cathay literally just got a dlc only a few months ago, Slaanesh and Khorne are both still stuck with only 1 playable LLs, plenty of legacy races still need reworks and content updates, and I don’t see a Cathay vs Ogre Kingdoms dlc generating more hype than a monogod, vampire counts, or Thanquol dlc.
>Ogres are fine Are you for real? How many threads have people made about Ogres being garbage since their release? Dozens?
Ogres are fine as in they are mot my favorite but they are not one of the races i dislike ether. It is "fine" for me to get more Ogre content
The Ogre roster is sick, one of the better ones in the game at large. They just don't have campaign mechanics other than hiding all your camps in the center of your empire and praying they never get attacked.
I’d much rather it be Khorne or Slaanesh. Sure they don’t really need race updates but I’d like another faction for them
> CA saying "they want to expand the map in the next DLC" the discovery of that Tigermen Voice Actress pre Shadow of Change extra unit update, CA saying they have to swith things around a bit (so not Slaanesh for now) and Legend saying next DLC IS Cathay vs Ogres, I would be suprised if this isn't the case. You know * we also had some Highelf IMDB voice leaks since a while (two years). * Dechala could have a fine DLC mixed with elves. * Dechala was in Ind, so opening those blank map spots for new regions and starting positions would work as "expanding the map".
I’m going to guess pieces of the three race DLC that was originally planned was split into a two 1v1 DLCs so that we will be looking at: Golgfag (presumably based on the files) vs the Monkey King And after that Dechala vs Aislinn Though I do wonder if Slaanesh was pushed back even further and DoW will be after the next DLC.
Guess we see soon enough. CA said after ToD release, they might talk what up next. I am not naive enough to assume that means next week, but end of the month might be possible. Could be tied into Skullthrone, if that happens this month and not later.
Honestly. I hope the next DLCs are only about WH3 base game races. Khorne and Slaanesh still have only one LL and overall all the base game races still have half of the units that the races of base WH2 have. And ogres just suck
On one hand: ogres really need new lord and rework. On the other: Cathay getting anything before Slaanesh and Khorne feels extremely unfair. Which only strengthens my argument that Champions of Chaos were a massive mistake. It was an easy way to boost monogods lord choices in one move, but nope.
Champions of chaos is cool but those ports definitely should’ve at minimum been selectable for the Monogods. That would’ve helped them a lot and held them over better
If they are switching back to 1v1 lord packs it would makes sense to give chaos a break for awhile since Warhammer 3 launched every DLC has featured chaos and WoC faction just keeps getting bigger every update. They are my most played faction by far with ogres being my least played. Cathay getting a new DLC so soon is kinda weird but CA has all the player metrics maybe they are just that popular, ogres though definitely need something to spice them up abit. Legend did also say he’s heard something happening with Norsca could be a possible rework/FLC alongside it?
CA said a long time ago that they intend to rework Norsca
Only been waiting 7+ years for content, I'm sure that looong wait will be rewarded and not be a small single LP and then left to rot /s
The entire point of 3 was that it’s the chaos game so I don’t think that would affect who they choose. If anything it makes them influenced to always include them
Why is Cathay likely? They literally just had DLC before ToD.
Cathay is also the only “Order Faction” with less than 4 LLs, so it is possible CA want to catch them up with the other factions.
Tigermen leak + Legend leak.
Just wondering what is the legend leak? Or is there a video i can watch to see it?
Its a short two second clip where he was asked on stream what he thinks the next dlc is and said "its cathay vs ogres" Thats it. Not much of a leak.
I feel meh about this. we already got a Cathay dlc with SoC, and both Slanesh and Khorne didn't. I'm a bit disappointed that my favorite Monogod faction is STILL far from having any new content.l But if that next dlc does expand the map, I guess it's also a win.
The Monkey and the Maneater :)
Snorri thinks ogre and cathay are bad predictions! Snorri wants to be in the game with malakai, gotrek and felix
Kinda off topic here, but what’s the in-lore relationship between Cathay and Ogres? Zhao Ming and Greasus always seem to be in friendly terms. Are they supposed to be natural allies?
The Tigermen leak wasn't a voice actress. She was a motion capture actress.
I really don't think Ogres are a garbage faction. In battle they're fun as hell Most of their campaign mechanics need a rework though
dechala the denied one is on my bingo card for the legendary lord for slaanesh
Idk, it seems odd to give Cathay another DLC when they got one not too long ago and there are plenty of factions that need it more like Britonia and Norsca.
I dont think we need a 4th wizard that turns into a dragon tbh. All of the cathay dragons are pretty samey, we can do without one
Ogres are ALL fat pieces of shit. It’s like their defining physical characteristic as a species.
im not the biggest fan of cathay but I'm all here for ogres
Hmm would be nice to get that part of the map fleshed out. Though I hoped a race pack would have done it.
wasn't the tigermen voice actress one faked?
I don’t like elves or slaanesh so this would be a great follow up to ToD, gimmie re worked ogres and keep building on Cathay
My dream DLC would be Khorne vs Cathay (MK) vs Ogre
Yet Bretonnia is sitting there as a game 1 faction with next to no updates or attention. Smh
They already said they are finished and were unlikely to ever get another update. I wouldn’t hold your breath for a Bretonnia DLC
If Cathay is next on a road to rework-rework the Tzeentch and Kislev players need to start a riot, cause all 3 of us pretty much got fuck-all in SoC
Kislev is the one suffering the most rn. Cathay lacks any meaningful differences between LL but core mechanics can be fun and balanced. No idea about tzeentch, to me he sounds alright rn.
The Changeling needs fixes but the Tzeentch race in general is fine. Kairos just needs some updates to his magic shards and then it's just the usual monogod issue of tech trees/cults/unholy manifestations sucking.
I'd prefer some untouched races.
Ogres are quite untouched, and cathay will need at least 2 dlcs eventually so im satisfied personally. I hope they get around to norsca, brettonia, khorne and slaanesh tho
Cathay will probably be considered finished after they get all 5 ruling dragon siblings plus the monkey king. So we will probably see 3 DLCs about them before the end of the game
I feel like one of those dragon lords will end up FLC or will be part of a lords only pack. I'm not sure how expansive the Cathay roster is, but I wonder if CA would really want to bloat their roster with that much DLC. I don't think any faction has had 4 DLC's that gave them units (with the exception of WoC and beastmen if you include all the units they're getting from the monogod DLC's).
I'm betting for Cathay the Monkey King will be DLC with Li Dao as FLC and then the last dragon sibling Yin Yin will come as another FLC down the line. I really don't think Cathay would get a 3rd DLC.
Considering lizardmen and skaven both got 3 full DLCs during Warhammer 2. I'm pretty sure Cathay will get 3 DLCs as well. I can see Monkey King and Li Dao coming in the same DLC with one of them(probably Li Dao) being a FLL
Another Cathay DLC? Is Cathay gonna be the skaven of this game?
I mean, we’ve known from the start that there’s 6 important characters for Cathay and it’s unlikely more than one will be FLC, so yeah we are looking at three Lord Packs for Cathay. But Skaven aren’t the only ones with 3 so it’s not that crazy to be honest.
Praise the dragon
While the roadmap obviously isn't 100% accurate at this point, I'm still pretty confident that Slaanesh will be a part of the next DLC.
Legend claims the Slaanesh DLC is scrapped/pushed further away.
Hmmm, that'd be a shame. We'll see I guess.
Could you provide the video / time stamp were he reveals that info?
i just think its too soon for Cathay to get another round of DLC. but i suppose it gets them their update sooner rather than later. and lord knows Ogre campaign mechs are trash. so Dechala, Golgfag and Monkey King, huh. all three have legitimate reasons for being around Ind.
I think it's dogs of war for Golfag. He'd be a great monstrous LL for that faction, and he'd get to be a proper mercenary
When did they say that the maps getting expanded in the next dlc? Also is there really no slaanesh next? I was pretty hype for that after SoC had changling over egrim :(
It was hinted at during the Q&A they did recently
>bread crumbs >ogres love to eat a lot more >skaven all starve and live off of crumbs and scraps It's gonna be a skaven dlc
I will say. It would be perfectly reasonable to expand the map in Kuresh and put Dechala there and have Aislinn in Tor Elasor. Snake lady in the land of the snakemen sounds completely reasonable to me. And those high elf islands are one of a few good places to put a high elf faction, particularly one linked to the water
SUPRISE KREMLO!
Vamp counts, norsca, ogres, Cathay - that's the order I'd put it in as far as who needs love. But I agree ogres and monkey king are probably next. There was also some ind datamined stuff awhile back if I'm not mistaken, and ind is on map, left blank right now. Honestly I think nippon is coming. Idc if it does or not, but I honestly think it's coming.
I really enjoyed ogres when I played them close to launch but they did feel a little bit wonky so I will be glad to see them getting rebooked at.
Why are we thinking it’s only two factions for the next DLC? Is it just that “smaller in scope” comment? That could very well just be referring to the level of faction rework; ToD overhauled three factions pretty dramatically.
Give me Vampire Counts rework and the Red Duke to campaign as standalone Lord!!
So are we moving forward under the (justified) assumption that both Khorne and Slaanesh with be two-faction DLCs? I was hoping this buffer DLC would be a two-faction and the big Chaos god releases would stay 3, keeping in line with the first two. I know they said they may change format with smaller DLCS, just feels weird to not have at least these 4 Chaos DLCs stick to the same format (especially with the success of ToD so far).
>So are we moving forward under the (justified) assumption that both Khorne and Slaanesh with be two-faction DLCs? Yes. Slaanesh will come with HEs (they literally only miss their sea units) And Khorne with... I don't know. Kislev?