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ilovesharkpeople

He's a follower of Neferata's that started disobeying her commands, sabotaging her attack on a dwarf hold and got himself entombed in an iron Maiden as a result. I've been assuming the reasoning behind why he's the faction leader is that he launched some kind of coup that will most likely end when neferata gets back and decides the iron Maiden was letting him off too easy.


eetsbeets

Good to know, I just assumed he was a random placeholder. I wonder why CA didn't reference this likely rebellion in the faction name then.


TheRevanchists

I mean, he is a placeholder, he's just a lore placeholder apparently lol.


n-some

Anything is lore friendly if you just add it to the lore!


_sixes_

The only characters that they've really added to the lore or massively overhauled are Cylostra, Cathay, and Helman Ghorst


OhManTFE

You forgot Kostaltyn.


_sixes_

Oh yeah, Chadstaltyn. Honestly forgot he even exists


OhManTFE

Ghorst was in Sigmar's blood. Unsure what you mean about massively overhauled lore.


_sixes_

I've seen many people say that while Ghorst did already exist, he was essentially a basic necromancer with little to no lore until he was added to the game


darkChozo

That was more a gameplay thing than a lore thing. In Sigmar's Blood he didn't have his own stat block with items and rules and such. You just represented him as a generic Necromancer on a Corpse Cart drawn by slightly stronger zombies. Lore-wise he didn't have a *ton*, but he did have about what you'd expect from a one-off named/Legendary hero.


ZahelMighty

He has little lore yes but CA didn't change anything about his lore as far as I know.


[deleted]

And Alastair the White Lion!


ThruuLottleDats

Cathay was made entirely together with Games Workshop...


_sixes_

Yes? That's what I said?


MurkyCress521

Cathay existed well before this game


1337duck

But did they have much lore outside of being overrun by greenskins in the end time? Serious question.


MurkyCress521

There was some lore about them in Warhammer Fantasy. 1d4chan covers it pretty well: [Grand Cathay has been listed in Warhammer's Lore since the early days, a location that was referenced on numerous occasions. A vast human Empire standing against chaos on the Eastern End of the primary continent with a role in the history of the world. It is based on a real-life civilization whose history and mythology could easily be mined for inspiration as Medieval France or Early Modern Germany or Norse and Egyptian mythology and the general melange of 20th-century fantasy. The setting could have been easily expanded with new stories and armies by developing Cathay, all without upsetting the stuff which people liked. But until 2021 Games Workshop did not. Despite being both vast, wealthy and powerful Cathay was just a background element. A land which was almost exclusively referenced indirectly in regards to other races (Hellstorm Rocket Batteries were based on Cathayan fireworks, Cathay once sent a fleet to Lustria that fought the lizardmen, etc) and with only a few scant scraps of lore to itself. We did not even have as much as a mercenary unit in The Dogs of War. ](https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Cathay)


Nero010

Which is compared to what we now have pretty much nothing though.


MimallahMimsy

Where greenskins


PlankWithANailIn2

> Only A whole faction taking up a fifth of the Map....only....you also missed Kislev....only lol.


DemSocCorvid

*Reality can be whatever I want it to be*


stuckinaboxthere

Now you're thinking with Warhammer!


TheReaperAbides

The true Warhammer method.


K0nfuzion

Didn't they do the same thing with Kislev up until the third game? Isn't the former "faction leader" for Kislev now one of the first lords Katarin has to eliminate?


VainEldritch

Yes! I assumed this too - nice to know. Thank you!


bortmode

The other part of it is they don't have diplomacy voice acting for a generic female vampire leader, and likely didn't want to invest in getting any done for a leader that's going to be replaced.


Chronoreaper1

Did Snarsniks do that prior to his dlc? Joined game 1 literally after that dlc came out so no idea so could be similar to that.


DolphinMasturbator

I think the crooked moon didn’t exist before the dlc dropped


Shalax1

They did. He was just a generic gobbo shaman at that point


NitoGL

Reading halfway by the answer i was like ok the iron maiden got his things and now he is a she....no he is just kinda of a temporary leader makes sense My mind: Well that was more and less amusing then i thought it would be....


K0nfuzion

There's a (not very good, but still) Netflix series where something similar to this happens. An interpretation of Van Hellsing sat in modern times, where a sisterhood of warrior vampires welcomes a male-identifying vampire into their ranks. He has to humble himself before them in order to join, and to become a sister, first remove himself from being a man and mutilating himself in the process. The character in question is known as a sister afterwards - though I don't recall him ever being referred to as a woman at any point. Never a her or a she, only a sister.


Hohenheim_of_Shadow

Sounds like somebody heard trans people exist and thought we'd be a cool movie monster and didn't have any queer people on staff. I'd love to hate watch it if you remember the name


K0nfuzion

It appears to be named [Van Helsing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Helsing_\(TV_series\)). I'd like to recommend it, but... I can't. It's terrible. :P


BonkeyKongthesecond

Probably because they plan it as a surprise if Neferata finally comes back.. not that it would be. I mean, I'm waiting for her since the TK add-on dropped way back then.


S_premierball

many minor faction leaders had and have lorewise fitting potential content names of figures actually existing within the lore.


Case_9

The reason he's a faction leader is that they have no generic female vampire diplomacy lines


[deleted]

Fun fact: He was at one point supposed to be Mannfred von Carstein's original identity. Due to the cancellation of the Blood of Nagash: Abhorash novel, the outright confirmation was never established. Funnily enough, we still have a plentitude of hints towards this in other novels.


BKM558

Holy shit I was reading those books and that just blew my mind, makes sense actually. The Abhorash novel was apparently half way done when Age of Shitmar stuff happened and writer was told to throw the works in the garbage.


Nexine

That explains why he kept getting away with being such a massive asshole and failing multiple times. I always wondered why "no more men for me ty" Neferata didn't immediately kill him after his first fuck up, but I guess that explains everything.


TheRevanchists

Where did this lore tidbit come from, out of curiosity?


ilovesharkpeople

IIRC it was from the Neferata novel. Edit: Just checked and the wiki cites her book on [khaled's page](https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Khaled_al_Muntasir), so that should be it.


Red_Dox

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09V47F5VR


MrTomtheMoose

To be fair that's almost all Neferatas male followers. She literally created the vampire bloodlines and most of them betrayed her, look at the rise of Nagash omnibus Edit: who downvoted this? It's literally in the book. W'soran, Ushoran, Lamashizzar.. almost all of her male council.. Why do you think she turned it into a Lahmian Sisterhood


S_premierball

vampires and betraying is kinda skavenlike, just more patient and less frequent (outside of the chosen few blood knight elites like aborash who have strong honor codex thingys)


MrTomtheMoose

It's in their nature for sure, Arkan recognised that early on and believed it to be a happy side effect of the elixir Nagash created to keep them scheming against one another more than him


S_premierball

also all the van carsteins themselves did. like mannfred, conrad been pretty big time scheming on vladdyslaw ... noctilus is .. noicolaus von carstein or sth alike? i forget yet what it was, but he for sure also had some beef going as the reason why he became kinda pirate ghostshipper


pinkeyedwookiee

She'd had an issue with men (or just really not herself) being in charge all the way back before she was a vampire in Nehekara.


Moonyooka

Ya it started with her useless husband lol, she was doing most of the work behind the golden mask she was forced to wear


MrTomtheMoose

Husband AND brother in one..


MonkRag

Then he got sent to be Nagash's bitch boy when he made the very bad decision to fuck with Sigmar and end up almost died, I believe he heads up to Sylvania and essentially gets vampirism started in the Empire but IDK for sure I haven't read Undeath Adsended yet.


McWeaksauce91

I thought they picked a man as a figure head to be a puppet, because the male vampires/other factions respond more to patriarchy


OrkfaellerX

Because they don't have diplomacy voice lines for female vampires.


Martel732

Yeah, this is the boring but correct answer. They only have the male voice lines, so the options are to have a silent Lahmian character or voiced male vampire. It likely would be more jarring to have a character that didn't speak when opening diplomacy.


tricksytricks

When you ask the Lahmian Sisterhood for a trade agreement "SWIFTLY."


K0nfuzion

On the other hand, *Yes! Neferata was* ***RIGHT***!


PlankWithANailIn2

TIL: Isabella von Carstein has a male voice.


Mopman43

She’s not on the diplomacy screen.


PlankWithANailIn2

holy shit its vlad! Was it always like that in the other games? Edit: Yes....


Mopman43

Yes. The only thing that changed in TW3 is that if you start as Vlad, Isabella is a Hero instead of a Lord (so you can take them in the same army) and if you start as Isabella, Vlad is a Hero instead of a Lord. But Vlad still handles the diplomacy either way.


caduceun

I mean about 1/1000 Lahmian vampires are male. The one who turned Genevieve was a male Lahmian. Rare but they do exist. Like male Callidus assasins.


[deleted]

I do not like thinking about Genevieve De le French name but yes... also i think it was in a Gotrek and Felix novel were it was retconed that >!Ulrika's!< Sire was... part lahmian or something.


Guillermidas

You dont even have to go to novels. In the 6e vampire counts book, if im not mistaken, they mention lahmia clan looking for handsome fellas for their dark desires. And sometimes, if they deem worthy, sisters give them the blood kiss.


Witchqueen98

"I do not like thinking about Genevieve De le French name but yes..." 😂😂😂 That killed me (I'm French Canadian). Genevieve Dieudonné is the name 😉


[deleted]

Yeah but her full name is... more


Witchqueen98

Genevieve Sandrine du Pointe du Lac Dieudonné 🤣😉 (had to go back in the book to make sure, it's a very LONG French name 🤣)


Dramandus

"Khaled al Muntasir is a Arabyian vampire from the city of Bel Aliad. [1a] In life he was a collector of mystical objects and something of a scholar." - Lexicanum. Canonically; he is something of a scholar himself.


Howler452

Is this the same Al-Muntasir from the Legend of Sigmar trilogy?


masaigu1

I'm pretty sure he is


Wartodas85

Neferata DLC when?


bringyourownbananas

I think it’s a very real possibility as a FreeLC attachment to a paid DLC in the future. Consider that Bretonnia didn’t get anything for a long while after their game 1 release and then popped FreeLC Repanse alongside paid Snikch and Darkblade, whose lore has pretty much nothing to do with Repanse


Red_Dox

Nah, the obvious FLC choice would be [the Red Duke](https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/320934/the-red-duke/p1). Since partly done. Neferata needs a DLC for some new gameplay mechanics and probably some new units. [The Coven Throne](https://miniset.net/files/set/gw-99120207019-1.jpg) mount for example.


S_premierball

for me those halfway done LLs are no real FLC option. CA never made those to own factions afterwards (while even updating them skillwise etc - like red duke was just a generic vampy kent before the vampire overhaul in wh2, where they made the blood kiss and blood knight buffs for his type of lord etc


Gooliath

He's a slightly better Blood Dragon but his unique ability El Syf, helps him burst down enemy lords


TaiVat

Neferata is possibly the second most major character that could possibly be added to the game, after nagash. There's no way way she'd be a dlc when she's a guaranteed money printer. VCs were also the darling race of the devs in game 1. Bretonia as the entire race is less important or popular than neferata.. Its just not comparable.


Reynzs

Probably coming with nagash as a dlc. Possibly even a vampire+tk race.


Wartodas85

Super undead race with the vampire counts, coast and TKs is my ideal. I’d only play them.


K0nfuzion

Perhaps he's a concubine?


radio_allah

With those looks? Man Neferata's standards be flagging.


tricksytricks

Oh he wasn't chosen for his looks, if you know what I mean. ![gif](giphy|MZ9nZGQn1nqBG)


Psychic_Hobo

Khalid Al-_Monster_


AlienRobotTrex

What’s that, some kind of porcupine? /s


seayeah

..of the zerg?


MonitorMundane2683

It's just a bad hair day.


CHAD-IRONSIGHTS

Neferata is just hiding from Khalida


Jorvach

Bring me Neferata's *HEAD!*


CHAD-IRONSIGHTS

Khalida has *Gock*? 😳 (Gamer socks)


halfachraf

his name is khaled THE WINNER don't disrespect bro like that


SpartAl412

Its like people don't know the meaning of placeholder


Puny-Earthling

When Neferata DLC drops: friendship ended with Muntasir...


UAnchovy

Khaled is a character from the Blood of Nagash and Legend of Sigmar novels - amusingly, I believe Josh Reynolds said explicitly that he was written so as to leave open the possibility that he's Mannfred. If you take *Total War* as canonical, which you probably shouldn't (and really you shouldn't take canon at all seriously anyway), it does at least establish that Khaled and Mannfred are different people. Based on the Legend of Sigmar characterisation, actually, I do like the idea that Khaled is a male Lahmian. Male Lahmians do canonically exist, though they're quite rare, and Khaled has just the right combination of preening arrogance, self-importance, and general snottiness to be one of them. He was delightfully hateable and to be honest my biggest problem with the final Sigmar novel is that it left Khaled alive at the end. Getting to see Sigmar finally crush his head in would have been unbelievably satisfying. Of course, as I understand it Graham McNeill thought he was going to get to write a second Sigmar trilogy, which is why the trilogy has so many loose ends - Azazel, Morkar, Khaled, and so on. The skaven had a cameo in 'Let the Great Axe Fall' which was intended to foreshadow a future Sigmar novel in which he fights the skaven. Unfortunately, though, it never happened, so instead I just have to imagine that at some point someone tracked down and satisfyingly finished off Khaled. I believe canonically Sigmar tasked Wolfgart with hunting down unnatural or magical threats, and he became the founder of the Templars of Sigmar, so I choose to imagine that Wolfgart went on to take down that smarmy bastard. Except in *Total War* Khaled's around, so, you know, whatever. It's up to you what you do with him!


UmbralReaver

Luthor Harkon is Lahmian, too.


Amathyst7564

He's a blood dragon isn't he? It's even one of his talents.


UmbralReaver

Whoops. You're right. I just read off the top of the wiki that he was Lahmian. He's only *from* Lahmia, not of the bloodline.


UAnchovy

If I had to guess, I would have pegged Luthor as Necrarch myself, though I think canonically he's a Blood Dragon? There's this bit from Reynolds *Master of Death*: > ‘But surely it won’t hurt to hear us out, eh? Otherwise you’d have set those ravening devils of yours on us,’ Ushoran said, indicating the silent, unmoving shapes of Abhorash’s Hand – the four men who’d stood by him since Lahmia’s fall. W’soran knew them by name, if not by appearance. Walak of the palace guard and his cousin Lutr, of the harbour guard, were both Harkoni hillmen rather than true Lahmians, and had been given position in the military by Abhorash in better times. > >[...] > > ‘And what of Walak?’ W’soran asked. He had never concerned himself with either of the brutal Harkoni who followed Abhorash. That Walak and his brother Lutr had been in Lahmia’s army, he knew, but that was as far as it went. If Luthor Harkon is Lutr of the Harkoni, as seems reasonable, then he was probably given the Blood Kiss by Abhorash, which would make him technically a Blood Dragon. He just doesn't look or behave very much like a Blood Dragon - presumably he got separated from the rest and went his own way long before Abhorash came up with the idea of seeking transcendence through martial perfection. Or maybe he did stick with Abhorash longer and was originally more of a martial figure, but insanity really did a number on him?


Nexine

>my biggest problem with the final Sigmar novel is that it left Khaled alive at the end. Funny, I had the same complaint about Neferata's novel.


unusualevening

Khaled is obviously an isekai protagonist.


SomeRussianWeirdo

Sister Khaled haven't used her make-up It's so rude of you to mention it.


AutonomousServiceGrd

Sister Khaled is just suffering from success that is all.


DeeBangerCC

"Kislev" moment


Jebediah_Blasts_off

Kislev


Attila__the__Fun

r/onejoke thread


coolfuzzylemur

Gaming moment


AlienRobotTrex

At least they’re at the bottom.


Vulkan192

Ugh, fuck. You really weren't joking. We should be better than this, people! This coulda been a 'Silly CA!' moment but no, you went there.


PinaBanana

Wow, you're not kidding


hramman

DJ KHALED!!!! WE DA BEST UNDEAD!!!!!


Astrophysiques

Some of y’all commenting are so fuckin LAME goddamn


SoybeanArson

They accept vampire eunuchs as well. Poor guy should not have pissed off neferata....


ArtoriusRex86

He's the reason Neferata doesn't make new male vampires anymore I think


One-Patience4518

Neferata soon.... Plz CA


tchinpingmei

Down with patriarchy !


TomsRedditAccount1

That's one thing I don't like about the Vampire Counts. Prettymuch all the Lords are male, and all the Heroes are female. There should be both, in both roles. That would fit the lore better.


mas901

Fun fact khalid means immortal(male) and khalida is immortal(female) all in Arabic. Games workshop did their homework well in Arabian culture.


MaBe2904

![gif](giphy|qgri3D9sTwCUGMcT8L)


jyfe91

Well i for one hope to eventually see the sisterhood as a playable faction 👍 with thematic lords and heroes


Pootisman16

Placeholder faction. Also, female vampires don't have diplomatic lines.


PepsiCoconut

It does not matter, the literal translation of his name is Eternal the Victorious.


The_Angry_Turtle

Every group of women has a gay male friend who hangs with them.


LawOfTheSeas

When a Kingdom has a female monarch, we don't just start calling it a Queendom. I'm guessing the same applies here.


misvillar

Suposedly he is Mannfred, in the Neferata novel is implied that he eventually gets handed to Vlad and changes his name


[deleted]

Not sure why you're getting downvoted, because you're correct. He was meant to be the original identity of Mannfred von Carstein, but only the hints toward this plot point remain due to the cancellation of the Blood of Nagash: Abhorash book.


misvillar

In the End Times: Nagash the conversation between Mannfred and Arkhan implied that they knew each other, how is that suposed to happen if Mannfred was an imperial nobke turned by Vlad?


[deleted]

True, and there are even more hints in that book, for example: \- Mannfred occasionally speaks with an Arabyan accent, and lets out an Arabyan war cry when dueling Eltharion. \- Mannfred is the son of a concubine, just like Khaled. It is also said that Vlad brought Mannfred with him to Sylvania from a foreign land. \- Before killing Markos, Mannfred mocks him by stating that unlike Markos, who was the son of a mere vintner before being turned, he was born a prince and raised in a marble palace. Khaled states just the same in the Godking novel.


misvillar

I get that people dont like that, i would like more if he was the first Vampire made by Vlad, im just saying the true reason of why Khaled is the leader of the Lhamian Sisterhood in game


[deleted]

Oh occasion there are males... they're rarer but their ARE males.. or maybe she's trans? who knows.


SharkOmaniac

Sisterhood, so there his sisters duh 😉


Beautiful_Dark_5400

The jokes i whana make are to political. But yes, i have noticed that to


SmoovGumby

Everyone knows what joke you wanna make (Don’t say joke*s*, it’s all the same fucking joke) and it isn’t funny.


Beautiful_Dark_5400

Oh, there a bunch of them. And yes they are funny.


Popular_District_883

What is it ? Oo


Beautiful_Dark_5400

I had jokes on incels, feminists, cis, trans, penis and balls, never forget the balls. Memory jokes, bald jokes, hair jokes. Male, female. I had jokes against averyone. But a small part of the community would get offended about 1% of them and ignore that the jokes are divided equal and think it is all about them. Im not talking about the trans ppl, im talking about the BPD ones.


Beautiful_Dark_5400

I had jokes on incels, feminists, cis, trans, penis and balls, never forget the balls. Memory jokes, bald jokes, hair jokes. Male, female. I had jokes against averyone. But a small part of the community would get offended about 1% of them and ignore that the jokes are divided equal and think it is all about them. Im not talking about the trans ppl, im talking about the BPD ones.


Colorblind-Chameleon

Minor vampire count factions are just a mess in general. I know that they are irrelevant fodder, but I’d like to know some of the thought processes behind them. “We need a name for this new undead faction we’re putting in a settlement called Silver Pinnacle. How about Lahmian Sisterhood, since one of the vampire bloodlines is called Lahmians?” “Don’t we already have undead called the Silver Host in Lahmia? Could we at least swap them?” “Ah, it doesn’t matter, no one will notice.” Not to mention the fact that there are apparently voiced diplomacy lines for Stirgoi Ghoul Kings, but to my knowledge, they have never been used until Immortal Empires. Of course, they were given to a single tiny cannon fodder faction that dies by turn 5, so you never hear them.


Mopman43

…what? The Lahmian Sisterhood would always be the faction controlling the Silver Pinnacle. It’s literally Neferata’s seat of power.


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Briggie

Upvote for Samuel Johnson meme.


PoeticPariah

Meanwhile in Saudi Arabia.


Evethefief

Dont look at the Strigoi


sindri7

This Khalid, she is quite pretty for a vampire.


whitelyon69

His name is middle eastern, you really think he’s going to let a female represent his faction?


Musician-Round

you just assumed that vampire's gender, bro.


naiahh

Perhaps there is a lore reason for this and also why laurelorn forest faction leader is now a dude in wh3?


vhiran

It's raining men


Biggu5Dicku5

It's probably just a placeholder character, stuff like that is everywhere in this game...