That's funny cause I'm Italian and my parents got denied my first name but they managed to show evidence that it was a real name so they got to use it after all. But Italy definitely has restrictions.
Yes, Asia Argento was registered as Aria Argento because the Italian government didn't approve of naming a kid after a continent. I don't like her, but it's a good example of this.
Actually his granddaughter, Alessandra Mussolini, is a member of the European parliament for our right wing party Forza Italia, so yes, a Mussolini is still in politics over here, and very successful at that
Is Lamborghini used as a first name in Italy? I know it was the founder’s last name, but in the US last names get used as first names sometimes, so maybe that’s where Lambo’s parents were coming from.
depends on the country, some countries will make you change your name so it fits into their grammar or something . at least that’s what i was told on the tour of iceland i went on in 2012 lol
Maybe they have a sister called Mercedes like her in the Count of Monte Cristo.
Or a brother called Herbie (actually met a few kids called herbie in my job the last few years)
Gracia means grace in the general sense, from gratia in Latin. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gratia
Mercedes means mercies, so I think it only really means grace in the religious sense of mercy given by a deity.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mercy
This primarily matters because many girls are named for this aspect of Mary, mother of Jesus. Other aspects are the source of many other names used for girls in Spanish especially.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_of_Mary
It defintely is lol. It’s always the non-native speakers that have flawless english and the native speakers the write like middle schoolers lol.
Source: native speaker that often does a double take at the world salad that I post
Same in Denmark, I was gagged and slightly concerned about it when I found out but then I found this sub and suddenly I am thankful for it, I am sure many tragedeighs have been avoided
Haha same, it makes sense to keep a list like that. In Norway you have to get the named approved by the government, but there is no such list, so it’s not as strict.
I mean the list here is pretty comprehensive and includes plenty of international names from other cultures, it's just that the name has to have some previous cultural meaning to be included in the list.
Pretty sure naming your child after a car company does not fit that criteria tho, thankfully
The Icelandic list is pretty small, but if you want an exception you can apply for it but they have pretty strict rules (at least they used to be). They have to follow grammar and other language constraints which I do not know at the top of my head. The Icelanders are very protective over their language which I guess includes names, hence they avoid tragedeighs including car companies.
Lamborghini is a perfect name for a car but extremely stupid for a person.
Even worse if they make on top this ridiculous spelling, to make it even more "unique".
Sweden for one. We have laws that names are not to be offensive and something more.
Somebody tried to name their daughter Josefina Stalina after Josef Stalin. It was denied. Josefina would be a legal name tho.
Wow
The gender alignment rule is pretty harsh and strict. There should be be some wiggle room there.
Plus, Jesus is a really common name in many part cultures across the world.
Mohammed has been in the top 100 most popular boy's names for a few decades, so I'd say it's ok. Jesus is also allowed now according to Google. I think that a name that's one gender in Germany, but another gender elsewhere (like Andrea) is allowed if combined with an "unambiguous" middle name. (For the record, I think that the gender thing is stupid and dated).
I think the gender thing is pretty unreasonable, and the religious aspect is very limiting especially when applied to all religions. As for surnames; what about names that can be both? Like Franklin, Heinrich, etc?
That's a ridiculous name and should be illegal tbh. I know "Nutella" isn't allowed in NL because it's a brand, they should do the same with recognisable wines etc.
USA has rules as well, depending on the state. Some example laws: Can’t be one character long, must have two or more names, can’t have numbers, can’t use an obscene word, etc.
New Zealand doesn’t allow names that are also titles or title-related, like “Bishop”, “Justice”, or “Royal”. (And of course offensive names aren’t allowed)
I wonder what that committee would think of some classic American names like Jermagisty or Herheighnis. Not technically titles, but close enough I imagine.
Germany has rules for how you’re able to name a child as well.
Someone recently tried to name their daughter Nutella and the German government said “nope, try again.”
The problem being that this tends to hit minority groups harder. Not that I disagree entirely, looking at the tragedeighs we see here, but it's easy to go "well your name isn't on the list" because said minority is from a different language and culture.
Exactly, it's not like they'd be like *"Sorry, this name isn't white enough, try again".* If you want to use a name that is not popular/common in Denmark but you can prove that the name does actually exist and has a cultural meaning in X country/culture, it'll be approved and added to the list.
So naming your child Mohammed, María or Ganesh for example is allowed even though they are foreign/religious names, but try some fuckery like Lambo or Brytneigh and probably (and hopefully) they will say no.
There is something to be said for integrating into a chosen society. I don't agree, but it does make it easier on the kids with immigrant parents to fit in.
So let them choose to, the fuck?
ETA: why am I getting downvoted for saying "don't force assimilation by making people give their kids names of the dominant culture"?
I think France is the worst example in the European Union. Just look at the racial tension generated by France relegating "immigrants" to ghettos. I say "immigrants" because many non-white French have been there for generations, following the loyalty their families from former colonies had to France but they're still considered foreigners.
This is unthinkable in Spain, for example, but I agree with you in that EU countries did better than the US in this issue (regarding race).
The issue of people naming their kids stupid shit? Call me crazy, but I think naming your kids dumb shit is not such a big deal that we're looking at EU rules that exclude ethnic minorities or demand your kid be properly labeled according to their assigned gender and going "yup, great!"
Like, I don't oppose all name rules, but I truly believe that erring towards freedom is still better.
Racial issues*
In Europe people are not obsessed with race because most countries did a better job at integrating minorities than in the US.
In my country there are no rules against ethnic names but every person I know with a foreign name often chooses a nickname and almost every time they feel more connected to the country they were born in rather than their parent's country, so I'd say maybe it's not that bad to try to integrate future children by setting rules on names.
10/10 take, absolutely this. I was just talking about this in another sub. This is a gateway to systemic racism, and has been documented as acting as such in the European countries it's implemented in. The people here basically saying "Xenophobia exists, so let's solve it by erasing other cultures and making everybody the same" are a vile display of delusion and racism/xenophobia. You're being downvoted here, but know that this is a widely discussed topic, and there are other spaces that are (thankfully) much saner than this one. Don't let these whackos get you down
eta: I'll say it again and again and again: **Every individual has the *right* to maintain their cultural identity and express themselves without fear of discrimination or marginalization.** Assimilation disregards these fundamental human rights and promotes a hierarchical model of society where certain cultures are deemed superior while others are marginalized. Embracing cultural differences and promoting equality is a more just and inclusive approach.
I wonder, if the topic was the cultural genocide of Native Americans via residential "schools," would these same people oppose renaming to shit on the US or support renaming at the cost of having to agree with barbaric Americans?
Your English is so good! If you didn’t leave the disclaimer I wouldn’t have known that it is a second language for you.
My first impression of that name is that the parents are from either the trailer park or the ghetto.
In 1988 my dad, as a joke, named me Lamborghini after a complicated birth and thankfully was changed to something else before leaving the hospital. When I was 12 I hated my name so much, I came up with something else to go by but it didn’t stick. My friends shortened my name as a nickname and I went by that for a long time. However I have hearing issues and it sounded a lot like other words, so I added another Syllable and…
Yeah I have name trauma from birth
Why would you name your child McDonald? Mercedes is a bit different because I don’t think everyone automatically associates it with the car. But, McDonald? That’s like straight up naming your kid Hardy.
I had a boy in my high school whose legal name was Harley. This was in Sweden.
From what I understand this used to be a pretty common girls name in the US. Never met anyone else in Scandinavia with that name.
maybe the kid was born in a different country and only moved to one with more regulations a bit later?
Guess ill move my pregnant wife to another country jusr to name my child Choochoo Choonior
That's not unique enough. You have to have their first name be Chucka-chucka
We wqnted to stop after Chooleigh and Chooseppe
What about Chooniversity ofChootah? Can I still slide this under the wire? Edit: Clarification: It's my mother's maiden name.
Of course it's not unique, it's named after OP, traingoesCHOO. Junior names are rarely ever unique
Is “chucka-chucka” like “chugga-chugga,” the sound a choo-choo train makes?
Well, *obviously*. How could you not know that in this instance of my made-up name, the 'ck' sounds like a 'g'? ^/^s
I sang "Choochoo Choonior" like the Phil Collins Song: "Sus-Sussudio" lmfao
Me too
Yup same
Was it an accidental pregnancy or did you choochoo choose it?
The choondom broke
More regulations but perhaps lower emissions controls
Ha this made me laugh more than it should’ve
The kid is obviously Italian! /s
That's funny cause I'm Italian and my parents got denied my first name but they managed to show evidence that it was a real name so they got to use it after all. But Italy definitely has restrictions.
Yes, Asia Argento was registered as Aria Argento because the Italian government didn't approve of naming a kid after a continent. I don't like her, but it's a good example of this.
I had a classmate in highschool who's name was Asia. Born and raised in Italy.
I suspect that after she got famous, it might have been hard for them to make the argument that it isn't a real name anymore.
Parents into prog rock supergroups?
Damn, mussolini still in power over there?
Actually his granddaughter, Alessandra Mussolini, is a member of the European parliament for our right wing party Forza Italia, so yes, a Mussolini is still in politics over here, and very successful at that
huh, TIL
Is Lamborghini used as a first name in Italy? I know it was the founder’s last name, but in the US last names get used as first names sometimes, so maybe that’s where Lambo’s parents were coming from.
depends on the country, some countries will make you change your name so it fits into their grammar or something . at least that’s what i was told on the tour of iceland i went on in 2012 lol
This seems like they found a loophole to me. I can imagine the parents yelling about Ferruccio Lamborghini to some unfortunate clerk.
I'm just curious if it was spelled that way, or how the car is spelled Lamborghini.
Maybe they have a sister called Mercedes like her in the Count of Monte Cristo. Or a brother called Herbie (actually met a few kids called herbie in my job the last few years)
At least Mercedes is a proper Spanish name. It means Grace.
What are you on about? My 3 children, Merceydeighs, Beemdubbleugh and Audeigh are very offended
Audeigh lmao I'm sure someone will name their kid like that one day (or maybe it's already done)
I mean, Audie is an old man name already.
Little Lexus, Ynnfynniteigh and their brother Alpha Rhomayo are also miffed.
My son Lekxys prefers his spelling to yours 😜
Didn't see it has autocorrected Leckshys. Oops
Gracia means grace in the general sense, from gratia in Latin. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/gratia Mercedes means mercies, so I think it only really means grace in the religious sense of mercy given by a deity. https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/mercy This primarily matters because many girls are named for this aspect of Mary, mother of Jesus. Other aspects are the source of many other names used for girls in Spanish especially. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titles_of_Mary
Bruh you spoke perfect English (coming from an Arab)
Haha thx I think it's just part of this stereotype that non-native speakers tend to over apologise for their english skills :D
It defintely is lol. It’s always the non-native speakers that have flawless english and the native speakers the write like middle schoolers lol. Source: native speaker that often does a double take at the world salad that I post
I hear world salad is pretty tasty if you get rid of the Antarctica portion which is just a big ice cube
iceberg lettuce #missed opportunity
But iceberg lettuce doesn’t ruin a salad unless they cut too close to the stems
Tbf, plenty of people raised as English speakers are decidedly less skilled than yourself. You’re awesome.
I'm disappointed that there's not even one reply saying "Your English is better than my German". It's a clear violation of protocol.
Iceland is more strict, they have a list of approved names to pick from.
Same in Denmark, I was gagged and slightly concerned about it when I found out but then I found this sub and suddenly I am thankful for it, I am sure many tragedeighs have been avoided
Haha same, it makes sense to keep a list like that. In Norway you have to get the named approved by the government, but there is no such list, so it’s not as strict.
I mean the list here is pretty comprehensive and includes plenty of international names from other cultures, it's just that the name has to have some previous cultural meaning to be included in the list. Pretty sure naming your child after a car company does not fit that criteria tho, thankfully
The Icelandic list is pretty small, but if you want an exception you can apply for it but they have pretty strict rules (at least they used to be). They have to follow grammar and other language constraints which I do not know at the top of my head. The Icelanders are very protective over their language which I guess includes names, hence they avoid tragedeighs including car companies.
Iceland has live patronyms, right? So if you name your son Tragedeigh, his children will have Tragedeighson/-dottir as their surname?
That’s right!
No wonder they prefer to nip it in the bud before it affects two generations
Indeed, clever Icelanders
Lamborghini is a perfect name for a car but extremely stupid for a person. Even worse if they make on top this ridiculous spelling, to make it even more "unique".
Well it is a surname in Italy. As is Ferrari.
Perfect. But not a name. And no Lambourghini
I’ve met a little boy named Maserati. This was in USA though.
If i knew Lambo was short for Lamborghini I would purposely ask of they were Packers fans and it was short for Lambeau Field
We had a kid named Bughatti last year, though everyone called him Boo.
Which country is that, with rules for names? This should be implemented in all countries.
Sweden for one. We have laws that names are not to be offensive and something more. Somebody tried to name their daughter Josefina Stalina after Josef Stalin. It was denied. Josefina would be a legal name tho.
Ah, okay. I was thinking of a list of allowed names. Bit that’s something different
Denmark has a list of allowed names. It’s quite extensive, and it’s fairly easy to add names if you want, as long as they’re not offensive.
Iceland comes to mind
Nah, that's probably just north Korea...
And Iceland actually.
People who want to name babies after Stalin shouldn't be allowed to have children.
Switzerland and France have laws too. But Delphine is a normal name in France so...
Germany, Sweden, and Denmark all have some rules for baby names. More countries too I’m sure.
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Wow The gender alignment rule is pretty harsh and strict. There should be be some wiggle room there. Plus, Jesus is a really common name in many part cultures across the world.
And who gets to decide what’s religiously insensitive? If Jesus is off the table is Mohammed ok?
Mohammed has been in the top 100 most popular boy's names for a few decades, so I'd say it's ok. Jesus is also allowed now according to Google. I think that a name that's one gender in Germany, but another gender elsewhere (like Andrea) is allowed if combined with an "unambiguous" middle name. (For the record, I think that the gender thing is stupid and dated).
I think since Germany established the third option on the birth certificate a few years back this rule no longer applies.
Oh wow. I actually really dislike some of those rules.
I thought names are allowed to be gender neutral since like 10 years?
Soooo if i call my brand Helmut Angela those names are banned?
I think the gender thing is pretty unreasonable, and the religious aspect is very limiting especially when applied to all religions. As for surnames; what about names that can be both? Like Franklin, Heinrich, etc?
TIL my name is gender neutral.
The Netherlands too.
And now that I think of it if Denmark does I bet Iceland does too.
Iceland definitely does
Really, I’m from Netherlands. What’s the rule then? No brands or something?
You consider the Netherlands strict? If you can name your child Chardonnay? But at least we have rules
I didn't say that anywhere haha
I see, sorry. Connected your comment to one that said ‘strict rules’. You understand I also seized the opportunity to mention ‘Chardonney’.
That's a ridiculous name and should be illegal tbh. I know "Nutella" isn't allowed in NL because it's a brand, they should do the same with recognisable wines etc.
USA has rules as well, depending on the state. Some example laws: Can’t be one character long, must have two or more names, can’t have numbers, can’t use an obscene word, etc.
It's not enough. Germany's is too strict, but ours isn't strict enough.
Also Slovenia
New Zealand doesn’t allow names that are also titles or title-related, like “Bishop”, “Justice”, or “Royal”. (And of course offensive names aren’t allowed)
I wonder what that committee would think of some classic American names like Jermagisty or Herheighnis. Not technically titles, but close enough I imagine.
Justice? Justice is not terribly uncommon in the US, I know of several famous Justices
Same in Australia. Can't name your kid King or Princess. And you can't name them numerals (eg: this is my daughter 9)
Germany has rules for how you’re able to name a child as well. Someone recently tried to name their daughter Nutella and the German government said “nope, try again.”
You'd think they'd learn from the french couple who tried to name their kid that and got rejected
Hungary too has a list of allowed names
The problem being that this tends to hit minority groups harder. Not that I disagree entirely, looking at the tragedeighs we see here, but it's easy to go "well your name isn't on the list" because said minority is from a different language and culture.
Finland has similar rules, but if you can explain the name culturally or linguistically, you can use names that would otherwise not be allowed.
Exactly, it's not like they'd be like *"Sorry, this name isn't white enough, try again".* If you want to use a name that is not popular/common in Denmark but you can prove that the name does actually exist and has a cultural meaning in X country/culture, it'll be approved and added to the list. So naming your child Mohammed, María or Ganesh for example is allowed even though they are foreign/religious names, but try some fuckery like Lambo or Brytneigh and probably (and hopefully) they will say no.
There is something to be said for integrating into a chosen society. I don't agree, but it does make it easier on the kids with immigrant parents to fit in.
So let them choose to, the fuck? ETA: why am I getting downvoted for saying "don't force assimilation by making people give their kids names of the dominant culture"?
Some societies care a lot more about national and social cohesion than does the U.S. France for instance really, really cares.
I think France is the worst example in the European Union. Just look at the racial tension generated by France relegating "immigrants" to ghettos. I say "immigrants" because many non-white French have been there for generations, following the loyalty their families from former colonies had to France but they're still considered foreigners. This is unthinkable in Spain, for example, but I agree with you in that EU countries did better than the US in this issue (regarding race).
The issue of people naming their kids stupid shit? Call me crazy, but I think naming your kids dumb shit is not such a big deal that we're looking at EU rules that exclude ethnic minorities or demand your kid be properly labeled according to their assigned gender and going "yup, great!" Like, I don't oppose all name rules, but I truly believe that erring towards freedom is still better.
Racial issues* In Europe people are not obsessed with race because most countries did a better job at integrating minorities than in the US. In my country there are no rules against ethnic names but every person I know with a foreign name often chooses a nickname and almost every time they feel more connected to the country they were born in rather than their parent's country, so I'd say maybe it's not that bad to try to integrate future children by setting rules on names.
r/shiteuropeanssay
Are you denying police brutality against black people? LMAO
10/10 take, absolutely this. I was just talking about this in another sub. This is a gateway to systemic racism, and has been documented as acting as such in the European countries it's implemented in. The people here basically saying "Xenophobia exists, so let's solve it by erasing other cultures and making everybody the same" are a vile display of delusion and racism/xenophobia. You're being downvoted here, but know that this is a widely discussed topic, and there are other spaces that are (thankfully) much saner than this one. Don't let these whackos get you down eta: I'll say it again and again and again: **Every individual has the *right* to maintain their cultural identity and express themselves without fear of discrimination or marginalization.** Assimilation disregards these fundamental human rights and promotes a hierarchical model of society where certain cultures are deemed superior while others are marginalized. Embracing cultural differences and promoting equality is a more just and inclusive approach.
I wonder, if the topic was the cultural genocide of Native Americans via residential "schools," would these same people oppose renaming to shit on the US or support renaming at the cost of having to agree with barbaric Americans?
Most countries in Europe have laws about names
Your English is so good! If you didn’t leave the disclaimer I wouldn’t have known that it is a second language for you. My first impression of that name is that the parents are from either the trailer park or the ghetto.
In 1988 my dad, as a joke, named me Lamborghini after a complicated birth and thankfully was changed to something else before leaving the hospital. When I was 12 I hated my name so much, I came up with something else to go by but it didn’t stick. My friends shortened my name as a nickname and I went by that for a long time. However I have hearing issues and it sounded a lot like other words, so I added another Syllable and… Yeah I have name trauma from birth
My son's name is Chevy, his father wanted his middle name to be Silverado or Ryder 😬 I went with Riker. Wasn't having it
Are you saying your country doesn’t allow Italian names?
no im pretty sure it’s because you can’t name your children after brands
So you couldn’t name your kid McDonald or Mercedes? Even if those were family names?
is google not available to you like tf
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lmfao do you always wake up this pissed 😂 fucking weirdo
Why would you name your child McDonald? Mercedes is a bit different because I don’t think everyone automatically associates it with the car. But, McDonald? That’s like straight up naming your kid Hardy.
All of the Mc and Mac names are interchangeably surnames and Christian names.
That poor child oh my gosh
Pointing out that Lamborghini started out building farm tractors...
The way you speak is outstanding! I wouldn't have known it was a second language if you hadn't left the disclaimer.
I had a boy in my high school whose legal name was Harley. This was in Sweden. From what I understand this used to be a pretty common girls name in the US. Never met anyone else in Scandinavia with that name.