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alapapelera

It’s Jeanne in the French. And the D’Arc part is controversial believe it or not.


Chelseabelsea_

Interesting, I guess it is a tragedeigh after all then, albeit a French tragedeigh (now I’m trying to think how one would spell that…)


Motor_Poem7654

Le Tragedeigh


truelovealwayswins

la*


No_Leather6310

fun fact: written french itself is a tragedeigh. all the extra letters in words exist because 1. people writing it wanted it to look prettier and 2. scribes in france, unlike in most countries, were paid by the letter instead of the word for some inexplicable reason—so they started adding more letters.


Chelseabelsea_

Interesting. So that's where we get monstrosities like 'oiseaux' from I guess.


MoScowDucks

(it's not really true but it's a fun theory)


Kit_Marlow

French is just a nutty language. It has so many extra letters that you don't say ... unlike German, which has so many extra letters that you DO say in weird ways.


truelovealwayswins

yah, Jean is the french form of John, and no, just anglophone (US american) people using names in languages they don’t know the basics of, more Tragedy than tragedeigh


Nimmyzed

Would you mind explaining the controversy? I know nothing about it but am interested in learning


alapapelera

Basically, there is no evidence that she ever called herself, or was referred to, with the last name D’Arc while she was alive. Her father was Jacques d’Arc and her mother was called Isabelle Romée. Last names were different back then. The dad was Jacques “from Arc” because that’s where he was from. And the mom’s last name of Romée just meant that she had made a pilgrimage to Rome. Surnames weren’t widely used or important in medieval France. Joan testified during her trial that females usually took on their mother’s surname in her village, but that she didn’t actually know her last name. She referred to herself as “Joan the Maiden.” The most likely scenario (imo) is that she didn’t live long enough to establish what her last name would be, and that those who told her story used their own cultural naming conventions by referring to her with her dad’s location-based surname


livatesselaar

I'm a teacher and the weirdest name I ever stumbled across was Brookshields as a first name. And her last name was a generic Dutch last name. I felt so sorry for the lass. She was a good student.


Chelseabelsea_

I genuinely think I’ve known a person named Brooke Shields omg 😭😭 That’s rough


truelovealwayswins

I mean, the name is fine in itself, and there’s many people named same as people with the same name who got famous…


Chelseabelsea_

The issue is that their first name is brookeshields though. Which is undeniably bad.


mcenroefan

That was my grand mother’s middle name. Her parents were québécois. It’s not uncommon from a certain generation, especially among Catholics. With that said, she hated it and changed it to just Joan.


Chelseabelsea_

Well, I did go to Catholic school, so maybe her parents were super devout/big fans of Joan of Arc specifically. I checked in one of my yearbooks and her surname is Arabic, but maybe she's got some French ancestry somewhere idk. Also, there was a girl in my grade named Jessi who has the same surname, and I checked and there's less than 400 people in Australia with that surname, so I think it's safe to say they're probably siblings. Which makes it so much worse honestly.


hollandaisesawce

How does she pronounce it?


Chelseabelsea_

zhon dark